Namek Goku vs Kaguya - An Analysis

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Lets go by deducting the speed , we know that Kaguya is FTL

I am using Anime Namek Goku , Raditz was roughly 4 times the speed of piccolo , the same piccolo that one shotted moon in three seconds putting Raditz at FTL

What is power Level ? Power Level applies to all the STATS INCLUDING Speed

Namek Goku power level is nearly Three Million , so if Raditz was FTL then Goku would be 2307.6 times the speed of light, that puts saiyan saga goku at roughly 10 times FTL

BYM Naruto is 40times FTL, by even massive high balling from RDCDesmond , Kaguya is close to 10 times FTL so clearly Goku is massively faster then Kaguya

In term of strength , well king vegeta with power level of 10,000 destroyed three planets in one wave of hand , Kaguya DC is large star level according to RDCdesmond but it is not , she created some realms with stars in it but that does not mean her ability is on that level , they were pocket verses

Kaguya have really nothing to suggest she could even destroy Earth , Goku was casually Multi planet buster at this point so Goku wins massively here too

Now about Haxes

Ash Killing bone and truth seeker orb move at slow motion from Namek Goku's standard and are massive NLF

Immortality ? No proof she is immortal , she just claimed she was

Infinite Tsukuyomi ? Goku one shots the moon casually and then the planet , destroying the divine tree and Kaguya

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yeah but what about seth the programmer? he confirmed kaguyas dimensions were universes and that she could destroy them.

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You do realize Anime Namek Goku is MFTL+ before even landing on Namek via his own feats right? No need for all these convoluted calcs lol.

And your multiplier scaling for Goku makes no sense whatsoever, no evidence for Raditz being exactly 4x stronger than Piccolo, or Goku being 2300x stronger than Raditz either.

Power levels don't scale linearly and his 3 Million PL vs. Raditz's PL is unquantifiable. Better way to go about this would've just been pointing out Base Goku>Nappa>Krillin>Saibamen-Raditz>Piccolo, and he can even stack Kaioken on that.

Goku still stomps though.

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#5  Edited By aryansingh

@gelato_exotic: goku and piccolo tanked up on Raditz

Even if younsay raditz is not FTL and just 40% FTL , goku would still be very massively FTL

Kaguya's FTLness , can be questioned though .

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@aryansingh: Goku and Piccolo clearly don't scale to Raditz individually. Even fighting together Raditz had the upper hand and Goku had to die with him to beat him. Raditz at best was just marginally FTL. Goku isn't FTL until post King Kai training.

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@gelato_exotic: saiyan saga goku is def FTL

Raditz saga is not

Nameko goku is MFTL+

Kaguya is BARELY FTL

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@aryansingh: Yeah, but I was just saying Anime Namek Goku being specifically 2307xFTL is pretty baseless.

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@gelato_exotic: we know saibaman = Raditz so Raditz = 1300 , i proved that he is FTL as a normal piccolo ki blast fodderized the moon in three seconds and piccolo dodged piccolo's fastest and strongest attacks so he is FTL marginally

Raditz was 1300

Goku was 3,000,000 on namek ( 150,000,000 with SSJ and freiza was 120,000,000 )

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#10  Edited By gelato_exotic

@aryansingh: Piccolo didn't dodge his own attacks lolwhat, you mean Raditz? I never said anything about whether Raditz is FTL or not I was pointing out the inaccuracy in your numerical fanscale/headcanon and lowballing Namek Goku to way slower than he actually is by actual feats.

And once again power levels don't scale linearly unless you think regular humans like Farmer with a Shotgun are country busters. The increase is completely unquantifiable. Anime Namek Goku is astronomically faster than just 2307xFTL and using convoluted and inaccurate numbers to downplay him that low is just dumb.

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What is the point of this? Also, not really a battle

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If you want an analysis, I'll start by saying that I do not believe Kaguya is on the level of Namek Saga Goku at all, who is imo FTL in base, and can use Kaioken×20, increasing his strenght, endurance and SPEED and this was said in the manga. If you wanna lowball Goku to high-relativistic+, then he is still FTL in Kaioken×20, and higher in SSJ. That said, he is for me higher than 20×FTL in SSJ, multi-planetary in striking strenght, and large planetary+ with a Kamehameha. So, he murderstomps Kaguya horribly, considering she is at best planetary with her ETSB, and relativistic+/LS at best. Even if she was star level with her ETSB, that doesn't scale to her AP, so Goku blitzes and oneshots her before she can even hope to use it.

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@aryansingh: Kaguya will blitz Gokuu out of oblivion, he is too slow. He also almost got killed by a laser, yet Kaguya is completely immortal since she is derived from energy and energy cannot be destroyed.

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@ppmuni23: lazer speed depend on who used it

Thats like saying kratos is slow due to being tagged by atreus's arrow

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BYM Naruto is 40times FTL,

I know this isn't your opinion but LOL.

Everything else you said was correct

Saiyan Saga Goku post King Kai training blitzes and one shots

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#16  Edited By Wushu59

The only thing you forgot to mention is the difference in distance between Raditz and Piccolo in comparison to Piccolo's distance from the moon

That's HUGE deal that people always overlook

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@wushu59: i know , i just didnt want desmond to turn it to fix my speed scaling

Thanks and yes , anyhing beyond arrival of nappa is massively faster

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@wushu59: that means Raditz is easily FTL ?

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@wushu59: His Namek Saga multiplier fanscaling is literally absurd it's not correct at all bro. Anime Namek Goku's feats are far faster than 2307xFTL, even in the manga he has a feat faster than that.

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@gelato_exotic: lowballing him because highballing would mean original DB Goku is much faster

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@aryansingh: Why would you lowball him with calc stacking when he has actual FEATS as a testament to his speed?? If anything, limiting him to his raw feats is what a lowball would be in this scenario.

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@wushu59: that means Raditz is easily FTL ?

In reaction speed, yes.

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This is said in Dub only but actual feats, it's scientifically accurate.

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@wushu59 said:
@aryansingh said:

@wushu59: that means Raditz is easily FTL ?

In reaction speed, yes.

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This is said in Dub only but actual feats, it's scientifically accurate.

You could easily justify it by scaling off of Piccolo's casual moon beam

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#25  Edited By Wushu59

@panda_emperorix:

Yup.

Already brought that up post 64.

"The only thing you forgot to mention is the difference in distance between Raditz and Piccolo in comparison to Piccolo's distance from the moon"

"That's HUGE deal that people always overlook"

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Yhwach one shots goku right?

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@hulksmashtoaa: he said IF u use game verses and if not its nigh solar system or large star lvl

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@wushu59 said:

@panda_emperorix:

Yup.

Already brought that up post 64.

"The only thing you forgot to mention is the difference in distance between Raditz and Piccolo in comparison to Piccolo's distance from the moon"

"That's HUGE deal that people always overlook"

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Yuppers

Only downplayers and fake fans will argue otherwise

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#29  Edited By gelato_exotic

@aryansingh said:

@gelato_exotic: how woupd you rate his speed ?

Anime Namek Goku's feats:

While travelling to Namek, Goku was capable of launching his ship Backwards from this star FASTER than it approached it with his Kamehameha wave. From this his attack speed would scale above the ship's flight speed.

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Goku is able to react to and dodge at point blank rocks floating space flying towards his spaceship while's outside of ship and it's flying at and dragging him at full speed (despite moving at this level speed, he's able to easily react to his surroundings), and hence his reaction speed would scale to how fast the ship was moving him at the moment,

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And probably the best feat of all for Anime Namekku, King Kai, who was able to locate, keep sight of/track Dr.Brief's Spaceship that Goku flew to Namek in with no difficulty yet he Frieza and Goku while they fly in a complete linear path are too fast for him to track.

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As for how fast these feats would be, most of them involve scaling to the spaceship's speed, so you can gauge that by accounting for the fact that it flew from Earth to Namek (which is in a different quadrant of the Universe) in 6 days. Don't feel like calcing it myself but it's astronomically higher than 2307xFTL, probably around a millionxFTL or something.

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@panda_emperorix:

Not to mention, even Kid Goku had MHS speed feat in Red Ribbon Army Arc.

Goku had like 3-4 major power buffs after that in Original Dragon Ball including two 3 year time skips.

It's actually consistent

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OT: Kid Buu still stomps Super Buu

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@gelato_exotic: you REALLY want to restart that conversation ?

Watching DB fans downplay Kid Buu to being the weakest Buu despite demonstrably being the strongest like

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@gelato_exotic: never said he was the weakest

And never said he was the strongest

In dbz - Buuhan >> Buutenks >> Superbuu >> Kid Buu >= SSJ3 Goku > Far Buu

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@gelato_exotic: never said he was the weakest

And never said he was the strongest

In dbz - Buuhan >> Buutenks >> Superbuu >> Kid Buu >= SSJ3 Goku > Far Buu

If there was a direct statement in the anime that he's the strongest, would you accept it?

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@gelato_exotic:

At best he is stronger then Base Super Buu

Feats > Statements

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#38  Edited By gelato_exotic
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@wushu59: he is not even close to beinf stronger then base super buu

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@aryansingh:

That's if you accept Goku receiving a Zenkai

Buuhan and Buutenks are defiantly stronger

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@gelato_exotic: did goku ever fight Super Buu ?

Spoiler Alert - He his in kaioshin realm and then straight up cowarded against super buu until vegito was formed

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@aryansingh: Yes he is. You can have your doubts about whether he's really stronger than Buuhan or Buutenks but he's objectively stronger than Base Super Buu and Buuicolo in both the Anime and Manga.

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@gelato_exotic: did goku ever fight Super Buu ?

Spoiler Alert - He his in kaioshin realm and then straight up cowarded against super buu until vegito was formed

Dude have you watched the anime lol, he fought and witnessed every form of Buu up to Buuhan. You admitted you'd accept statements from the anime. You literally might as well have conceded.

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@gelato_exotic: we cobcluded that Super Buu >>>>>>> SSJ3 Goku and then you claimed that kid Buu fought Goku suppressed and you spend a solid amount of time trying to prove Kid Buu was suppressed which i debunked every time and the footage and Buu's fights against people weaker then him proves that kid buu was not suppressed .

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#45  Edited By aryansingh

@gelato_exotic: i did , he hid in the kaioshin realm the entire time , went to earth when buutenks was raping gohan , buutenks became Buucolo , Said that Gohan could beat Buucolo now ( basically saying that he can still not beat a severely weakened buu , then Gohan failed to catch the earings and then buuhan was formed and then Goku ran and fused with Vegeta "

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#46  Edited By gelato_exotic

@aryansingh said:

@gelato_exotic: we cobcluded that Super Buu >>>>>>> SSJ3 Goku and then you claimed that kid Buu fought Goku suppressed and you spend a solid amount of time trying to prove Kid Buu was suppressed which i debunked every time and the footage and Buu's fights against people weaker then him proves that kid buu was not suppressed .

You didn't debunk anything but you can delude yourself into thinking so. You posted your own fanfic and interpretation of what the fight meant despite several pieces of evidence indicating Kid Buu is not equal to Goku or weaker than Super Buu.

There's literally no point to continue arguing when you already admitted to this.

Your concession and the anime's statements>>>Some interpretation of the fight and trying to make baseless conclusions from a psychotic child like Kid Buu's behavior.

@gelato_exotic said:

If there was a direct statement in the anime that he's the strongest, would you accept it?

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@gelato_exotic: i did , he hid in the kaioshin realm the entire time , went to earth when buutenks was raping gohan , buutenks became Buucolo , Said that Gohan could beat Buucolo now ( basically saying that he can still not beat a severely weakened buu , then Gohan failed to catch the earings and then buuhan was formed and then Goku ran and fused with Vegeta "

No, him and Vegeta tried to temporarily fight off Buuhan first. Goku fought on his own for a minute against Buutenks too.

After all this Goku even blatantly says Kid Buu is the strongest opponent he's ever faced, despite fighting stronger forms of Super Buu.

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@gelato_exotic: " You didn't debunk anything but you can delude yourself into thinking so. "

Well that is your job not mine

" You posted your own fanfic and interpretation of what the fight meant despite several pieces of statements indicating Kid Buu is not equal to Super Buu. "

Yaeh they are not equal , Super Buu is levels above Kid Buu , Goku admitted that he is far stronger then both him and Vegeta in base while Kid Buu fought Golu at full power amd then you cried " KiD BuU wAs SUpReSSed REEEEEE " then you got debunked by me literally posting an highlight of the video where Goku and Kid buu fought at equal all the time and proved why Goku said that " i need to begin In SSJ3 to stand a chance " was not because Kid buu was stronger then SSJ3

" There's literally no point to continue arguing when you already admitted to this. "

No , if you have provided me any solid scaling or feat where kid buu can be said to be stronger then super buu , i would have conceded but you did not

" Your concession and the anime's statements>>>Some interpretation of the fight and trying to make baseless conclusions from a psychotic child like Kid Buu's behavior. "

Screaming in pain , all their attacks stalemating each other e.t.c proves that SSJ3 = Kid Buu , it is well know by now but you can live in the delusion that Kid Buu is stronger , Kid Buu was severely hurt multiple times in the fight and no , kid buu does not suppress himself against opponents weaker then him , see Vegeta and Fat Buu .

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@aryansingh: Wait what. So Kid Buu didn't suppress himself yet Fat Buu was beating his ass for a good portion of the fight and even blew him apart on occasions despite factually being weaker?

You still have yet to explain sufficiently how Goku literally states that Kid Buu would've killed everyone including Gohan had Goku lost or him being stronger than Gohan yet he somehow isn't stronger than Super Buu. Inb4 some retarded shit again like muh he would've killed Gohan in space LOL.

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" No, him and Vegeta tried to temporarily fight off Buuhan first. Goku fought on his own for a minute against Buutenks too. "

Buuhan pretty much kicked them around while Buutenks on the other hand , was ridiculously more powerful then SSJ3 Goku and Mystic Gohan that Goku did not even consider going to Earth without the Potara Earings because he knows that he would be one shot fodder for base super buu , let alone higher level buus and before you say Buuhan punched him , so did Buu punch Mr Satan

" After all this Goku even blatantly says Kid Buu is the strongest opponent he's ever faced, despite fighting stronger forms of Super Buu. "

Cam you give me one feat from Kid Buu that puts him above Super Buu ? No ? Because there is none ? Figured