Namek Frieza & SSJ Goku Vs SSJ Goten & Trunks (Buu Saga)

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  • Full Power Namek Frieza, SSJ Goku on Namek, SSJ Goten & Trunks in the Buu arc
  • Frieza and Goku are in-character (Goku is serious though)
  • Goten and Trunks are bloodlusted
  • Win by death
  • Fight takes place on Namek (Frieza is not allowed to destroy the planet)
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#3  Edited By Godlike_Warrior

The Kids

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Kids stomp they were relative to Boo arc SSJ1

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I'm going to be the contrarian and say Goku and Frieza win.

Goten and Trunks did nothing actually impressive in the Buu saga. The people they gave trouble were family members who weren't seriously trying to hurt them. They never did anything to 18, and 18 was arguably only scared that one time due to learning children had access to nukes, and her daughter happened to be close by as well. Frieza is blatantly confirmed to be stronger than bost Buu saga base Goku. I don't think ssj Gotenk and Trunks can beat a serious Buu saga base Goku. In Super when Jaco asked if kid Trunks was the one to defeat Frieza, Bulma said "of course not" implying he could not do it. Not to mention a much older Trunks was namek ssj Goku tier, and there really is no logical reason kid Trunks would be stronger than his older counterpart during the Buu saga.

And lets say Goten and Trunks are actually stronger. Goku and Frieza are way better fighters and have way more techniques. Goten literally didn't even know how to fly at the beginning of the Buu saga. If Frieza gets pushed he will kill them with a death saucer. Goku will also shoot the ground to create dust to make sure they get confused and the attack lands.

One last thing. In the canon special Yo Son Goku and his Friends return, Goku blatantly says Frieza is "perfect for the kids" meaning he should at bare minimum be a good fight for them, meaning this team isn't getting one shot and can employ the tactics above I mentioned. In that special they actually had a bit of trouble with two characters who were actually first form Frieza level. They were still in base form, but this would imply they are weaker than Frieza fight Goku, or at maximum relevant to him.

So yeah, literally most evidence points to Goku and Frieza winning, baring some sparring sessions and a daizenshuu statement.

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Is this pre-HTC kids or post HTC kids?

Because post HTC kids would stomp Goku and Frieza, pre-HTC kids would be close.

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#8  Edited By takenstew22  Moderator

Either way or kids high diff.

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Kids win even pre-RoSaT. Like someone said they're relative to Buu arc SS1s.

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The kids slam

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Goten and Trunks

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Either kid could solo tbh

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I think it was outright confirmed Buu Saga Goten was equal to or stronger than Frieza iirc

So Kids together should slam

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Goten and Trunks could fight 18 so they win.

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#16  Edited By The_Hajduk
@alextheboss said:

I'm going to be the contrarian and say Goku and Frieza win.

Goten and Trunks did nothing actually impressive in the Buu saga. The people they gave trouble were family members who weren't seriously trying to hurt them. They never did anything to 18, and 18 was arguably only scared that one time due to learning children had access to nukes, and her daughter happened to be close by as well. Frieza is blatantly confirmed to be stronger than bost Buu saga base Goku. I don't think ssj Gotenk and Trunks can beat a serious Buu saga base Goku. In Super when Jaco asked if kid Trunks was the one to defeat Frieza, Bulma said "of course not" implying he could not do it. Not to mention a much older Trunks was namek ssj Goku tier, and there really is no logical reason kid Trunks would be stronger than his older counterpart during the Buu saga.

And lets say Goten and Trunks are actually stronger. Goku and Frieza are way better fighters and have way more techniques. Goten literally didn't even know how to fly at the beginning of the Buu saga. If Frieza gets pushed he will kill them with a death saucer. Goku will also shoot the ground to create dust to make sure they get confused and the attack lands.

One last thing. In the canon special Yo Son Goku and his Friends return, Goku blatantly says Frieza is "perfect for the kids" meaning he should at bare minimum be a good fight for them, meaning this team isn't getting one shot and can employ the tactics above I mentioned. In that special they actually had a bit of trouble with two characters who were actually first form Frieza level. They were still in base form, but this would imply they are weaker than Frieza fight Goku, or at maximum relevant to him.

So yeah, literally most evidence points to Goku and Frieza winning, baring some sparring sessions and a daizenshuu statement.

SSJ1 Trunks kicked Boo and sent him flying to save Vegeta. I know you can argue Boo was off guard but that is still pretty impressive.

They also impressed Android 18 and could damage her. Even if she was holding back, the kids impressed her more than Freeza would.

So they did some impressive things.

There is also a huge ongoing debate about whether Goten and Trunks were stronger than Piccolo. Because Piccolo said things like "The kids are our only hope." Being even vaguely near Piccolo's tier is a lot stronger than Freeza.

Freeza could definitely outsmart them though.

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Kids due to Android 18 scaling.

Frieza and Goku would get less than one shot by Android 18.

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There is also a huge ongoing debate about whether Goten and Trunks were stronger than Piccolo. Because Piccolo said things like "The kids are our only hope." Being even vaguely near Piccolo's tier is a lot stronger than Freeza.

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That's not the expression of someone seeing Namek Goku/Freeza power levels.

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After reading through the thread,

The kids honestly, as weird it is to say.

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Either one solo stomps

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@the_hajduk said:

There is also a huge ongoing debate about whether Goten and Trunks were stronger than Piccolo. Because Piccolo said things like "The kids are our only hope." Being even vaguely near Piccolo's tier is a lot stronger than Freeza.

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That's not the expression of someone seeing Namek Goku/Freeza power levels.

They were probably on the level of the Androids at best. They lost against 18 already iirc.

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@jack_hart said:
@the_hajduk said:

There is also a huge ongoing debate about whether Goten and Trunks were stronger than Piccolo. Because Piccolo said things like "The kids are our only hope." Being even vaguely near Piccolo's tier is a lot stronger than Freeza.

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That's not the expression of someone seeing Namek Goku/Freeza power levels.

They were probably on the level of the Androids at best. They lost against 18 already iirc.

She just got them disqualified.

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I think it was outright confirmed Buu Saga Goten was equal to or stronger than Frieza iirc

So Kids together should slam

It's not.

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@the_hajduk:

SSJ1 Trunks kicked Boo and sent him flying to save Vegeta. I know you can argue Boo was off guard but that is still pretty impressive.

There are a bunch of moments like that. Piccolo kicking away a distracted 50% final form Frieza, Tien tri beaming semi perfect Cell, even Mr. Satan distracted Buu with one of his strikes.

They also impressed Android 18 and could damage her. Even if she was holding back, the kids impressed her more than Freeza would.

They never damaged her. And it makes sense for her to be more impressed because they are children and Frieza was the emperor of the universe.

So they did some impressive things.

Sure, their power is definitively impressive. I just don't think their is any objective or quantifiable evidence that puts them above Frieza. Just arguments like "it would make sense for them to be stronger because of a, b, c, ect."

There is also a huge ongoing debate about whether Goten and Trunks were stronger than Piccolo. Because Piccolo said things like "The kids are our only hope." Being even vaguely near Piccolo's tier is a lot stronger than Freeza.

Was this before or after he knew of fusion? He could also be considering their potential. Because as they were their chances of beating Buu was 0%.

Freeza could definitely outsmart them though.

Yep.

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@the_hajduk said:

There is also a huge ongoing debate about whether Goten and Trunks were stronger than Piccolo. Because Piccolo said things like "The kids are our only hope." Being even vaguely near Piccolo's tier is a lot stronger than Freeza.

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That's not the expression of someone seeing Namek Goku/Freeza power levels.

Piccolo could have just been impressed because of their age. Goku wasn't surprised at all and thought they might have even been stronger.

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@kal_el_batson:

Kids due to Android 18 scaling.

Them scaling to 18 is questionable.

Frieza and Goku would get less than one shot by Android 18.

There is actually no proof of this. The evidence people use is Mecha Frieza being killed by Trunks, but that was a confirmed suppressed mecha Frieza taken off guard while he was cocky. There are statements that could imply Frieza was stronger than 19 and 20, and Vegeta actually used up a lot of his power fighting 19. This same ssj Vegeta was near 18's strength and got beat up because of her infinite energy.

Actually it's directly contradicted. 17 said 18 would lose to Vegeta, Trunks, Piccolo, Tien, and Krillin. This would indicated Namek Goku and Frieza would also be relevant as they are at bare minimum massively stronger than Tien and Krillin, likely above Piccolo, and ssj Goku should be close to Trunks unless Trunks got stronger since he killed Frieza.

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@alextheboss:

Dude. The whole point of Mecha Frieza was that he was made better.

He even straight up says “with my increased power” when referring to how he could kill Goku.

Vegeta didn’t use up a lot of energy, his energy was sucked from him, very big difference.

The Androids were so massively above Frieza it is not even close. The Z warrriors trained for 3 years to prepare for the Androids and there was nothing they could do. Vegeta was straight up said to be even more powerful than Goku. And Android 18 had no problems with him.

I don’t see in any universe how Freiza can be in the same sentence as 18 or 17 it isn’t close.

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In DBS the kids fought the Cell Jrs which are much stronger than those two and let's be honest the kids didn't improve much from Buu arc to DBS.

Either of them solos easily

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@wushu59 said:

Goten and Trunks could fight 18 so they win.

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@kal_el_batson:

Dude. The whole point of Mecha Frieza was that he was made better.

That was just to build hype. If he went full power he would be better, but he never did.

He even straight up says “with my increased power” when referring to how he could kill Goku.

Yes, but he was confirmed to be suppressed by Gohan.

Vegeta didn’t use up a lot of energy, his energy was sucked from him, very big difference.

True, though he still didn't one shot 19, and 19 also made him bleed.

The Androids were so massively above Frieza it is not even close. The Z warrriors trained for 3 years to prepare for the Androids and there was nothing they could do.

The Z warriors could train for a thousand years and never surpass Frieza. You have to prove they surpassed him.

And like I said, it's implied Frieza was above 19 and 20, and at bare minimum still very much relavent.

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Krillin, one of the warriors who trained 3 years to fight the androids asked Goku if he was afraid of fighting someone stronger than Frieza, and this is a Goku who fought 19 already... This blatantly confirms Frieza>>>>>>Krillin still, and it's likely he is above 19 too as it would make no sense to ask Goku if he is afraid of someone stronger than the second strongest person he fought so far. And it also makes no sense for Goku to be afraid of fighting someone stronger than someone irrelevant.

Vegeta was straight up said to be even more powerful than Goku. And Android 18 had no problems with him.

Yes, 18 was stronger than him, but Vegeta held his own until he lost energy, and 17 said 18 would lose if they ganged up on her. They were clearly relative or that wouldn't be the case.

I don’t see in any universe how Freiza can be in the same sentence as 18 or 17 it isn’t close.

Because people go off the mecha Frieza thing and then assume dragon ball characters had similar growth as they did in the Namek saga. It's blatantly confirmed in the daizenshuu they stopped getting huge zenkais after Frieza.

So this is the scaling we have. ssj Trunks can easily kill a cocky suppressed mecha Frieza. Frieza can get much stronger than that per Gohan's words. Ssj Trunks is compared to ssj namek Goku. 100% Frieza is comparable, though weaker than ssj namek Goku. Yadrat Goku is a good deal stronger than all of them. ssj Vegeta is stronger than that. 18 is stronger than him, but not by a crazy amount.

so suppressed mecha Frieza<100% Frieza<namek ssj Goku<=ssj Trunks<yadrat ssj Goku<ssj Vegeta<18

It isn't a huge gap really. Don't get me wrong, 18 would brutalize 100% Frieza, but it might not just be a casual one shot.

This video is probably about how I think a fight between them would go

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#33  Edited By KingTheron

Goku and Frieza mid-high difficulty. Then kids may have the power but nowhere near the necessary skill. Usually, this wouldn't matter in a series like Dragon Ball where people just stat-check their opponents, but since Goten and Trunks not only lack the experience but are known to goof around as well, they probably lose. The only issue is whether or not Goku and Frieza can actually damage them lol, but I'm pretty sure they can.

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bruh the kids are 100% featless. everyone in this threads bugging.

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I got Goku and Frieza winning extreme diff.