nagato and konan vs deidara,kakazu,hidan and ms sasuke

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#1  Edited By Thenewguysnm1

healthy nagato

beefight sasuke

in chaarcter

full knowledge

deidara stars in the air

round 2

everyone is bloodlusted

random encounter

and this is kage summit sasuke

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Konan distracts Sasuke and Nagato solos the rest, then Nagato and Konan 2v1 Sasuke and win.

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Do they have prep time? Because konan is batman with prep time.

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Let me say it like this. Nagato has an answer for everyone on the team. Only thing tricky is Hidans Jashin Jutsus but for that Hidan needs to hurt Nagato first. But team has no answer for so many different Kuchiyoses, Chibaku Tensei, Shinra Tensei attacks from the paths and so on.

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The team wins

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#8  Edited By helloman

Team one wins because of Nagato.

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@thenewguysnm1: still probably team 1.

Nagato has to many abilities to count.

And Konan is probably the smartest female in the Naruto franchise.

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I'd back team 1 thanks to Nagato versatility and Konan intelligence for both rounds.

With full knowledge character like deidara, hidan and kakuzu have no way to defeat even weaker people than the duo, while sasuke hasn't the means to hurt Nagato seeing hoe he fought with bee, Naruto and Itachi together.

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Bloodlusted? I say team 1 stomps.

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Healthy nagato would solo

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Do they have prep time? Because konan is batman with prep time.

I mean even without prep time against fully health nagato. what can the other team do? Crippled nagato almost killed killer bee and bsm naruto at the same time.

To me nagato would solo under this conditions. He is fast and he utilises rinnegan perfectly.

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Going with Team 2 here with mod difficulty.

Konan get hard countered by Kakuzu/Deidara. Nagato's summons get one shotted by Sasuke with amaterasu. Leaving Nagato alone who is immobile and has very weak physical. Nagato isn't defending against multiple opponents who is far superior physically in a CQC.

His only shot is CT, and which might be countered by fire power of Kakuzu five hearts, Deidara and Sasuke if we assume Nagato simply didn't get blitzed from the beiginning.

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#20  Edited By Supermanforever

@great_black_star said:

Going with Team 2 here with mod difficulty.

Konan get hard countered by Kakuzu/Deidara. Nagato's summons get one shotted by Sasuke with amaterasu. Leaving Nagato alone who is immobile and has very weak physical. Nagato isn't defending against multiple opponents who is far superior physically in a CQC.

His only shot is CT, and which might be countered by fire power of Kakuzu five hearts, Deidara and Sasuke if we assume Nagato simply didn't get blitzed from the beiginning.

Nagato summons gets one shotted with amateratsu? are you high?

Nagato summoned only one thing which itachi used amateratsu against. he could summon many more. Sasuke using amateratsu will drain him in no time.

Nagato is not crippled in this fight. Also who has superior physical here seriosly? Nagato tanked hanzos multiple exploding pappers and was only crippled by that and at his weakest points. Tanked killer bees lariat etc

Nagato isnt defending multiple opponents? why not he invaded konoho with pain and destroyed all of them what makes you think he cant. Besides he nearly killed of bsm naruto and killer bee at the same time and it took only susanoo to break his arm which was an attack he didnt see comming and even if he did he was crippled couldnt even move. Even if we take out itachi out of the battle, he beaten both killer bee and bsm naruto at the same with 0 effort, ms sasuke aint doing shit to nagato since he is well bellow bsm naruto.

Lol his only shot is CT? What about shinra tensei that shitstomped konoha? or bansho tenin which ripped half mountain on narutos head?

He would easly perform all of the jutsus pain has performed effortlesly and way better.

The other team got no chance.

Prime nagato with health is leeeeeeeeeeagues above those chartacters.

Geddo mazo would solo this team on its own.

MS sasuke together with takka barrely fought Killer bee in ling ass battle where nagato was about to die multiple times.

Nagato as edo and crippled nearly killed BSM naruto and killer bee in matter of seconds using their own chakra by draining them.

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@supermanforever: You got it all wrong dude. It was KCM that fought Nagato not BSM which can content with Juubito.

Nagato's arsenal which can prov useful in this fight is asura, human, deva and.

Nagato simply absorb chakra fom bee and Naruto, if it wasn't for that Nagato would have been cruhed by Bee. He cannot do that against people like Deidara who can simply bust the entire battlefield. Ofcourse Nagato can defend with shinra tensei but his 5 second cooldown is what gonna kill him coz deidara can simply continue to fire.

Hidan can simply engage Ngato in a close fight while Deidara nuke the battlefield continuously

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Team 2.

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@great_black_star: deidara gets one shotted. Also Nagato is way to fast, way to fast for team 2.

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Feeling like Sasuke Susanno arrow would be too much for konan or Nagato to handle. But by that same token, only one that can help Sasuke would be Deidara. And just those two I feel like would be plenty to take down Nagato/Konan. J-Man bout solo'd the two, and MS Sasuke would stomp J-Man. Sorry, J-Man lovers didn't want to bring him up, but I needed evidence to support what I said lol

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#27  Edited By Supermanforever

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@supermanforever: You got it all wrong dude. It was KCM that fought Nagato not BSM which can content with Juubito.

Nagato's arsenal which can prov useful in this fight is asura, human, deva and.

Nagato simply absorb chakra fom bee and Naruto, if it wasn't for that Nagato would have been cruhed by Bee. He cannot do that against people like Deidara who can simply bust the entire battlefield. Ofcourse Nagato can defend with shinra tensei but his 5 second cooldown is what gonna kill him coz deidara can simply continue to fire.

Hidan can simply engage Ngato in a close fight while Deidara nuke the battlefield continuously

i later posted it down that i meant KCM. Besides BSM naruto got no shit Juubito

"nagato absorbed chakra from bee" I think its pretty clear that OP stated that Nagato is full health and not crippled. Besides why would he just absorb chakra from those combatants.

"deidara bust battlefield" Shinra tensei = gg. Deidara isnt busting a shit.

"shinra tensei lasts 5 seconds" So what? Nagato aint sitting with shinra tensei lol, he will go on offensive and rip deidara apart. Deidara is leagues below nagato on everything

"hidan can come close to nagato" looooooooool. Hidan cant do a damn thing against nagato. nagato will kill him in seconds.

Final answer. Nagato counters any attack they have, nagato is faster and way more hax. More chakra, more abilities, faster, waaaaaay better destructive powers.

I know you are sasuke fanboy so i wont keep arguuing for 500 posts. To your suprise Nagato with full health and own body will slaughter this team in no time at all.

MS sasuke barely stood a chance agains killer bee with all help from Taka. And Nagato slaughtered killer bee and KCM naruto in literaly matter of seconds with their own chakra. now if it was nagato in his prime it would have taken less.

I love how people underestimate nagato because he was always against the plot like beeing crippled, using full power and fighing naruto deepowered etc.

Nagato in his prime if having his own body, fit legs and full chakra is force to reckon with would be in the leagues of six path characters. Unfortunatly we haven not seen his true potential. But even with the small showcase of his power he would still rek this team. Hidan, kakuzu and deidara wouldnt even stand a minute. Well Sasuke would stand for a while, but would get overwhelmed by chakra level difference and ofc rinnegan is to powerfull for mangekyo

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#28  Edited By Marc_55

Nagato certainly can solo. A full power ST removes 3 of the 4. Then he steals Hidan's soul, GG.

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@marc_55 said:

Nagato certainly can solo. A full power ST removes 3 of the 4. Then he steals Hidan's soul, GG.

yep at times i hate when people underestimate how powerfull fit nagato would be. Its funny this sasuke fanboy thinks deidara would bombard him and not even let him move. it makes me cringe. Deidara would die nearly in seconds.

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A bloodlusted Nagato is forever a problem.

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Bloodlusted team 1 could take it

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@supermanforever: No need to be agitated over a fiction. Whether I like Sasuke or not is the topic of discussion here but can Nagato solo these S-rank ninja's is.

You are forgetting that Nagato's best feat with ST is busting a village which Deidara can do more casually. Only CT is the problem here.

Ok Nagato being healthy is a good thing, but he still has zero taijutsu feay so far, all he does is rely on his rinnegan ability. And you are forgetting that he was caught off guard and blitzed by susanoo. Here we don't need Totsuka, a simply susanoo arrow can do the trick.

Yes he is a threat, really a big threat but by feat he cannot deal with these all ninjas.

Kakuzu can simply sneak his threads underground and caught him suprise and make him immobile while Deidara realase a bird and explode making Nagato use ST and followed by a susanoo arrow which he cannot do a thing cause its too fast, can't see due to dust and can't use his ST simultaneously.

I can give you several scenario where Nagato can be defeated by this Ninja's.

Side Note: You are bringing an irrelevant fight between Sasuke and Bee. But since you brought it here let me clarify your limited knowledge on it. You are taking everything out of context here. Sasuke that fought Bee was the Sasuke that recently lose CS which he had trained with for 2 and half years, was still healing from his fight with Itachi and clearly don't have any idea on how his new found MS works.

Sasuke didn't know if he can fire amaterasu at will and extinguish it. If he had known thay he could simply one shot bee there which he did in the last part of the fight. So comparing perfect jinchiruki with a KId who don't know his own power to satisfy your own hatred over a fictional character is pathetic.

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@supermanforever: No need to be agitated over a fiction. Whether I like Sasuke or not is the topic of discussion here but can Nagato solo these S-rank ninja's is.

You are forgetting that Nagato's best feat with ST is busting a village which Deidara can do more casually. Only CT is the problem here.

Ok Nagato being healthy is a good thing, but he still has zero taijutsu feay so far, all he does is rely on his rinnegan ability. And you are forgetting that he was caught off guard and blitzed by susanoo. Here we don't need Totsuka, a simply susanoo arrow can do the trick.

Yes he is a threat, really a big threat but by feat he cannot deal with these all ninjas.

Kakuzu can simply sneak his threads underground and caught him suprise and make him immobile while Deidara realase a bird and explode making Nagato use ST and followed by a susanoo arrow which he cannot do a thing cause its too fast, can't see due to dust and can't use his ST simultaneously.

I can give you several scenario where Nagato can be defeated by this Ninja's.

Side Note: You are bringing an irrelevant fight between Sasuke and Bee. But since you brought it here let me clarify your limited knowledge on it. You are taking everything out of context here. Sasuke that fought Bee was the Sasuke that recently lose CS which he had trained with for 2 and half years, was still healing from his fight with Itachi and clearly don't have any idea on how his new found MS works.

Sasuke didn't know if he can fire amaterasu at will and extinguish it. If he had known thay he could simply one shot bee there which he did in the last part of the fight. So comparing perfect jinchiruki with a KId who don't know his own power to satisfy your own hatred over a fictional character is pathetic.

Pathetic thinking deidara with his bombs can match Deva path in anyway. He couldnt even handley pre mangekyo sasuke let alone prime nagato.

First of all lets start with the fact that, Nagato has not shown thai jutsu due to the fact that in his time he was the most overpowered character around. Nobody could really overcome his rinnegan to even need to go taijutsu. So nagato has not even tried to do do any taijutsu. He has shown taijutsu with tendou pain and was more than capable of fighting sage mode naruto. So really taijutsu is not an argument against those characters.

He was cut ofguard with susanoo first time because he was about to kill naruto and killer bee and was also crippled.

Second time he didnt see susanoo comming due the fact that rinnegan can no see trough smoke and there could be made an argument that he was crippled and wasnt using any summoning for movement, also that wasnt even himself. it was kabuto who controlled him completely even his mind at that point was completely shut. Prime nagato would easly countered susanoo in shit ton of ways. Summoning, deva, draining from chakra, chakra rhods and list goes on.

Kakuzu wont do shit, Nagato sees all the chakra with his rinnegan and imediately counters kakuzu with easy. kakuzu is the most overrated character in the verse. He would have to run for his life let alone stand and go offensive against nagato. Gedo mazo would obliterate all of those b level characters well except Sasuke who can use susanoo.

You are acting like those characters are anyway near as fast as nagato lmao. Even when crippled he blitzed killer bee and BSM naruto while sasuke and taka could barely even stand a chance against nagato. And clearly Sasuke is the fastest in the group and he couldnt even fight killer bee who got blitzed and almost killed by crippled and mindcontrolled Nagato who also didnt have chakra and drained them instead.

"sasuke was healing in the fight against killer bee" Thats a sentence full of crap. he has more than enough chakra to fight there and almost died couple of times and in the end was saved by amateratsu which cant do shit against Nagato. only thing sasuke really didnt use from his arsenal against killer bee was susanoo which would total garbage against fully emerged Gyuki would curbstomp it with few bijudamas.

Sasuke using amateratsu even not beeing capable of using that doesnt mean he would tag him. Killer bee was as fast as raikage who easly dodged amateratsu. besides amateratsu is not doing shit against nagato.

The other characters die in seconds well sasuke might last for a while with susanoo. Dies pretty quick aswell.

prime nagato is force to reckon with.

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The 1st is debatable.

The 2nd goes to Team Nagato&Konan easily. We already know what a bloodlusted Nagato did to Hanzo's Rain Shinobi. Team 2 gets blitzed by the soul eater Gedo Mazo Dragon. No one here can dodge or escape from it IMO Hanzo was able to escape from it thank to teleportation.

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The 1st is debatable.

The 2nd goes to Team Nagato&Konan easily. We already know what a bloodlusted Nagato did to Hanzo's Rain Shinobi. Team 2 gets blitzed by the soul eater Gedo Mazo Dragon. No one here can dodge or escape from it IMO Hanzo was able to escape from it thank to teleportation.

Lol the guy is fanboy. he says Deidara would overpower Deva path which is rididculous. Nagato while crippled and nearly 0 chakra almost killed killer be and BSM naruto using their own chakra and draining. Prime nagato would leagues above those characters and close to the leagues of pre juubito obito.

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@bilbobaggins said:

The 1st is debatable.

The 2nd goes to Team Nagato&Konan easily. We already know what a bloodlusted Nagato did to Hanzo's Rain Shinobi. Team 2 gets blitzed by the soul eater Gedo Mazo Dragon. No one here can dodge or escape from it IMO Hanzo was able to escape from it thank to teleportation.

Lol the guy is fanboy. he says Deidara would overpower Deva path which is rididculous. Nagato while crippled and nearly 0 chakra almost killed killer be and BSM naruto using their own chakra and draining. Prime nagato would leagues above those characters and close to the leagues of pre juubito obito.

Prime Nagato is indeed far stronger than those characters. Unfortunatelly we've seen only a weaker healthy Nagato (weaker due to Edo Tensei) but surely a Prime Nagato is a force to be reckoned, let alone if he's bloodlusted.

Deidara has only a chance against Deva if he spams C2 dragons, C3 Puppet or giant clay birds from above. Even with it i doubt he can challenge a Prime Deva Path. Deva tanked a point blank Naruto 6 Tails Bijuudama, with small injures, after all...and his weakest Shinra Tensei can nullify many types of Deidara's bombs. Also Bansho Tenin gives an advantage to Deva/Nagato because he can simply throwing Deidara on the ground with his clay birds, dragons etc.
Not to mention the ST range and its DC. Completely erased Konohagakure and creating a huge crater. Also Deva was able to..."fly" when he destroyed Konoha with a ST.

I will not lie. Deidara is incredibly strong with nice hax, DC, speed and range...but for almost every Deidara's attacks i can think a counter for Deva/Nagato. Deidara can be a nice challenge for Deva/Nagato if he start with knowledge, bloodlusted, in the air, throwing his strongest attacks (C4, C3).

For pre-Juubito you mean Masked Man Obito (1 Rinnegan 1 Mangekyo Sharingan) or Mindless Incomplete Juubito?

If the answer is the 1st one then i agree with you.

If the answer is the 2nd one i disagree. Mindless Juubito outclass Nagato in DC, speed, durability and hax. Juubito is totally on another level.

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#39  Edited By Supermanforever

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@supermanforever said:
@bilbobaggins said:

The 1st is debatable.

The 2nd goes to Team Nagato&Konan easily. We already know what a bloodlusted Nagato did to Hanzo's Rain Shinobi. Team 2 gets blitzed by the soul eater Gedo Mazo Dragon. No one here can dodge or escape from it IMO Hanzo was able to escape from it thank to teleportation.

Lol the guy is fanboy. he says Deidara would overpower Deva path which is rididculous. Nagato while crippled and nearly 0 chakra almost killed killer be and BSM naruto using their own chakra and draining. Prime nagato would leagues above those characters and close to the leagues of pre juubito obito.

Prime Nagato is indeed far stronger than those characters. Unfortunatelly we've seen only a weaker healthy Nagato (weaker due to Edo Tensei) but surely a Prime Nagato is a force to be reckoned, let alone if he's bloodlusted.

Deidara has only a chance against Deva if he spams C2 dragons, C3 Puppet or giant clay birds from above. Even with it i doubt he can challenge a Prime Deva Path. Deva tanked a point blank Naruto 6 Tails Bijuudama, with small injures, after all...and his weakest Shinra Tensei can nullify many types of Deidara's bombs. Also Bansho Tenin gives an advantage to Deva/Nagato because he can simply throwing Deidara on the ground with his clay birds, dragons etc.

Not to mention the ST range and its DC. Completely erased Konohagakure and creating a huge crater. Also Deva was able to..."fly" when he destroyed Konoha with a ST.

I will not lie. Deidara is incredibly strong with nice hax, DC, speed and range...but for almost every Deidara's attacks i can think a counter for Deva/Nagato. Deidara can be a nice challenge for Deva/Nagato if he start with knowledge, bloodlusted, in the air, throwing his strongest attacks (C4, C3).

For pre-Juubito you mean Masked Man Obito (1 Rinnegan 1 Mangekyo Sharingan) or Mindless Incomplete Juubito?

If the answer is the 1st one then i agree with you.

If the answer is the 2nd one i disagree. Mindless Juubito outclass Nagato in DC, speed, durability and hax. Juubito is totally on another level.

deidara would be overwhelmed by summoning and deva is not only defensive thing he could go on offensive.

And i said pre juubito meaning masked obito with mangekyo and rinnegan.

In theory nagato with health should be even more powerfull than masked obito because double rinnegan is better than obitos ms and rinnegan. he admitted himself saying he tried to inplant both eyes but the power of both rinnegan overhwelmed him.

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@bilbobaggins said:
@supermanforever said:
@bilbobaggins said:

The 1st is debatable.

The 2nd goes to Team Nagato&Konan easily. We already know what a bloodlusted Nagato did to Hanzo's Rain Shinobi. Team 2 gets blitzed by the soul eater Gedo Mazo Dragon. No one here can dodge or escape from it IMO Hanzo was able to escape from it thank to teleportation.

Lol the guy is fanboy. he says Deidara would overpower Deva path which is rididculous. Nagato while crippled and nearly 0 chakra almost killed killer be and BSM naruto using their own chakra and draining. Prime nagato would leagues above those characters and close to the leagues of pre juubito obito.

Prime Nagato is indeed far stronger than those characters. Unfortunatelly we've seen only a weaker healthy Nagato (weaker due to Edo Tensei) but surely a Prime Nagato is a force to be reckoned, let alone if he's bloodlusted.

Deidara has only a chance against Deva if he spams C2 dragons, C3 Puppet or giant clay birds from above. Even with it i doubt he can challenge a Prime Deva Path. Deva tanked a point blank Naruto 6 Tails Bijuudama, with small injures, after all...and his weakest Shinra Tensei can nullify many types of Deidara's bombs. Also Bansho Tenin gives an advantage to Deva/Nagato because he can simply throwing Deidara on the ground with his clay birds, dragons etc.

Not to mention the ST range and its DC. Completely erased Konohagakure and creating a huge crater. Also Deva was able to..."fly" when he destroyed Konoha with a ST.

I will not lie. Deidara is incredibly strong with nice hax, DC, speed and range...but for almost every Deidara's attacks i can think a counter for Deva/Nagato. Deidara can be a nice challenge for Deva/Nagato if he start with knowledge, bloodlusted, in the air, throwing his strongest attacks (C4, C3).

For pre-Juubito you mean Masked Man Obito (1 Rinnegan 1 Mangekyo Sharingan) or Mindless Incomplete Juubito?

If the answer is the 1st one then i agree with you.

If the answer is the 2nd one i disagree. Mindless Juubito outclass Nagato in DC, speed, durability and hax. Juubito is totally on another level.

deidara would be overwhelmed by summoning and deva is not only defensive thing he could go on offensive.

And i said pre juubito meaning masked obito with mangekyo and rinnegan.

In theory nagato with health should be even more powerfull than masked obito because double rinnegan is better than obitos ms and rinnegan. he admitted himself saying he tried to inplant both eyes but the power of both rinnegan overhwelmed him.

That's what i've said. For almost every Deidara's attack Deva has a counter for it, let alone the 6 Paths togheter or Nagato. As i've said before Deva/Nagato can clearly overwhelm Deidara (on a clay dragon/bird or not) with Shinra, Bansho and Chibaku.
A Konohagakure buster Shinra Tensei can clearly destroy Deidara and his clay creatures. Remember that some Konoha Shinobi survived at it just because Katsuyu protected them inside her regenerative healing body, but still many Shinobi was severally injured by it. Most were dead.
I can see Deidara take a chance against Deva only if he start flying away with his fastest clay creature, drop C4 Garuda. (C0 is debatable since a very strong Shinra Tensei can nullify it IMO)

Okay agree.

Healty Prime Nagato should be stronger than Masked Man Obito, but Obito has hax. So they are pretty on the same level. I would like to see some Rinnegan abilities performed by Obito but...

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Nagato and Konan wins handily. Though it's a toss up between Konan and Nagato as to who's cooler.

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Going with Team 2 here with mod difficulty.

Konan get hard countered by Kakuzu/Deidara. Nagato's summons get one shotted by Sasuke with amaterasu. Leaving Nagato alone who is immobile and has very weak physical. Nagato isn't defending against multiple opponents who is far superior physically in a CQC.

His only shot is CT, and which might be countered by fire power of Kakuzu five hearts, Deidara and Sasuke if we assume Nagato simply didn't get blitzed from the beiginning.

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R1:

Healthy Nagato was contending with Bee and Naruto fairly handily. Hidan is pretty useless here as he can be pretty easily incap'd by a soul rip. Konan can at least contend with any of the three in melee for a short while, at least taking them out of the game for a few minutes while Nagato takes care of the other two.

Deidara is a big threat, but is kinda hard countered by, you know, the Preta Path given that all of his explosions are chakra based and Nagato likely knows this. His AP is dangerous if he catches Nagato off guard, but I doubt that happening. Without the threat of his attacks, Nagato has multiple methods of incapping.

Kakazu is just...not really a big threat tbh. With Deidara you can at least argue that the sheer power of his explosions or their unique properties might make him an issue, but all Kakazu really has is basic nature transformation justu, which are basically just giving Nagato free chakra. The only thing he can really accomplish is maybe binding him with Grudge Fear threads before being soul ripped or Shinra Tensei'd

MS Sasuke is likely the biggest threat on the board, but even then Im not so sure he would win. Sasuke was getting spanked by Bee in melee, who Nagato stopped a bullrush from arcs later with relative ease. For fucks sake the dude ate a Lariat from V2 Bee without seemingly taking advantage of Edo regen. Amaterasu is the only thing I really see being a threat here, and if he gets an opening, sure it could probably take Nagato out. But given that Sasuke didnt really start casually deploying Amaterasu until the kage summit and Itachi didnt even try to deploy it once Nagato was bloodlusted and healthy, I dont really see why Sasuke would be able to here.

TLDR:

R1: 7-8/10 Team 1

R2: 5-6/10 due to bloodlust and Sasuke being more willing to spam Amaterasu/having a more advanced Susanoo

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Team 2.