@deathhero61:
Piccolo is above Cell Saga characters, which makes sense given the fact that he fused with other namekians, trained in the ROSAT and continued to train even after that. Piccolo isn't an asspull character like the saiyans. The Androids were normal humans turned into cyborgs that could body Frieza, them training for a decade and getting stronger to such a degree isn't that weird either. Tien and Krillin improved by leaps and bounds what are you talking about?
Leaps and bounds my ass. They were USELESS in Cell Arc and USELESS in Buu arc. Now they are SSB level material? WHAT!?
In comparison to any character that isn't human, yeah, of course, they are useless.
Tien was at a level where his energy projection(which is a notch above most characters surprisingly) was enough to hold off Semi-Perfect Cell.
Yes, he blast Cell non stop till near death with zero results other than annoying Cell. Thats some improvement. Tien was also useless in Buu arc regardless his non stop training he was doing. It was pathetic.
His energy projection during Saiyan Saga couldn't even harm Nappa, the fact that on his own he was capable enough to eventually do something like what he did against Cell is impressive in its own right. And the jump in power from Cell Arc to Buu Arc was huge, so pretty much anyone that wasn't the saiyans would be useless which is a given considering all the different fusions and powerups Buu himself got over the course of the Arc. Literally Ultimate Gohan, Gotenks and Vegetto were the only ones able to fight Buu at his best. And those were conditional powerups that the heroes needed to prepare for or they got lucky and received. The jump in power was pretty obvious too, Fat Buu one shotting Dabura who is compared to Perfect Cell, Fat buu then getting dominated by evil buu which results in Super Buu the strongest incarnation, then the several asborptions which made him more powerful..... then his power after asborbing everyone including Gohan.
is obviously obsolete because the humans aren't the only ones training out of the Z Fighters, there's still Piccolo and the Saiyans who basically make them irrelevant.
Piccolo was useless in Buu arc too. He was Yamcha of the Buu arc. Buu <<<< SSB in todays DBS wanking fanbase. So why is Piccolo training just a few more year makes hime Battle of the Gods level? Inconsistent as shit.
He was a lot better than any of the humans, the Androids and the other characters. Take away the Goku and Vegeta and Gotenks and Piccolo was the strongest Z Fighter during that arc. Piccolo continuing to train after several years makes it credible since he was the only non-human character to be so close to the saiyans in terms of powerlevels throughout the entire series. What the hell are you talking about? Battle of the Gods level? The only characters out of the Z fighters that are "battle of the gods level" is Goku and Vegeta. Piccolo got to a level where he could keep up with Gohan, who is not as strong as Current Goku and Vegeta via SSB. Which is reasonable since during the Cell Saga he was as strong as the androids via kami fusion, than surpassed them through ROSAT training. Then continued training even throughout the buu saga where everyone, not just Piccolo became irrelevant because of Buu. Goku, like usual being the only one able to handle the threat until he says no and lets his family and friends who are clearly weaker than he is, handle it. So at the bare minimum, he eventually got to a level where he can keep up with SSJ2 Gohan.(Rusty) Which AGAIN is reasonable due to his steady rise through different circumstances.
The reason why its so easy to overlook all these powerups is because Akira gave Goku and Vegeta and similarly powered characters(mostly Goku hilariously enough) a batman/superman complex. When shit goes down, Goku and top tier saiyans are usually the one who steps up and saves the day. Now that all these characters are finally doing shit, it makes things weird and seeminglyinconsistent.
I agree as well.
Notice how I say seemingly.
Especially considering the fact that the way these characters are powering up isn't done in depth. For example, none of the cast that does improve ever use methods that could be shoehorned in as an excuse to salty fans such as the Dragon Balls, or the various methods used for powerups far back in Part 1 of the series such as the special water that Kid Goku drank to beat King Piccolo? Or the stuff used in Z such as the Old Kai's Unlock ability that he used to basically create Ultimate Gohan(or Mystic Gohan) or the ROSAT?(Hyperbolic time chamber) which can turn a day into a year? I have no problem with the characters being relevant, especially my boys Roshi and Piccolo, but it's mostly Akira's fault that these characters are coming back in ways that displeases the fans.
Then what are we arguing about? This is what I am saying. Due to past power progression, rate of progression, and as you said Goku and vegeta being the main guys to handle all shit going down, it is very inconsistent today in DBS for all the "moral support" characters to finally be like badasses or even relevant in a fight now. More so thanks to the bullshit hype of power levels from BotGs. It is Akira's fault.
The point that i am trying to make is that Akira's intent has always been there with regards to the progress of certain characters, the issue is his way of going about it, which is why he's a bad writer, to begin with.
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