MUI Goku vs. Gear 5 Luffy

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#1  Edited By hulksmashtoaa
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Rules & Conditions

  • This is a friendly match taking place at the annual Tenka'ichi Budōkai Arena.
  • Combatants are morals on and in-character.
  • All stats and power-levels are equalized.
  • Win by K.O., incap, or out-of-bounds.
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#2  Edited By Boxdog

With Stats Equal Goku would win after a good fight via Ultra Instinct Autododge, long range energy attacks, AOE Blasts, Telekinesis, shield creation to block Luffy's fire power, and Teleportation. Goku's simply more versatile with superior H2H abilities. But Luffys immunity to blunt force, rubber transmution, and future sight will obviously give Goku trouble

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@boxdog:

I think toon force is the wild card here.

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In character whilst using UI the hardest things to deal with would be toon force and Haki. Would very quickly realise that blunt attacks aren’t the best route for fighting Luffy and probably opt for piercing/cutting attacks or ki attacks.

Goku has the mobility advantage, range advantage , skill advantage but “toon force” could be pretty hard to deal with. Going with Goku after quite a battle of attrition, don’t think he would would mess around as much using UI.

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Stats Equalised? Either Luffy toon bullshits his way to victory or Gear 5 runs out of steam, unless he can force himself back into it like he did against Kaido.

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I'd say Goku due to ki attacks and UI

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#7  Edited By Scythenger

Goku has precognition. He can sense malice. Without ui he reacted to hit in his base form. Was able to follow an IT battle between 2 people who were way faster than him while he was in his base form with no ui. He's reacted to teleportation while using ui in his ssb form.

The ui in his silver haired form would be more accurate than the one in his ssb form. There's also his ki sensing. He's able to locate someone by sensing vibrations in the air. His ui gets more fine tuned as he fights. He's able to shift his vitals to take away most impact from internal attacks. His ui protects his vitals.

He can automatically make himself sturdier as necessary. He has teleportation and the can use it on others. He can create barriers around himself and around others then use telekinesis on the barrier. The barrier is more durable than himself. He's able to make clones and can create a giant version of himself out of ki. There's the kienzen. Kiai techniques. Goku's also more skilled and more experienced in h2h. Luffy gets demolished.

Against beerus in his ssj 3 form his body automatically retreated on its own because beerus was going to end goku if he hadn't done it in that moment. Even without ui, don't see luffy being able to really hit goku. Ui would make it definitely impossible. Goku also has experience fighting someone like luffy too. Someone way stronger as well.

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Goku has precognition. He can sense malice. Without ui he reacted to hit in his base form. Was able to follow an IT battle between 2 people who were way faster than him while he was in his base form with no ui. He's reacted to teleportation while using ui in his ssb form.

The ui in his silver haired form would be more accurate than the one in his ssb form. There's also his ki sensing. He's able to locate someone by sensing vibrations in the air. His ui gets more fine tuned as he fights. He's able to shift his vitals to take away most impact from internal attacks. His ui protects his vitals.

He can automatically make himself sturdier as necessary. He has teleportation and the can use it on others. He can create barriers around himself and around others then use telekinesis on the barrier. The barrier is more durable than himself. He's able to make clones and can create a giant version of himself out of ki. There's the kienzen. Kiai techniques. Goku's also more skilled and more experienced in h2h. Luffy gets demolished.

you gassing up goku's sensing when luffy literally sees the future LMAO

also his h2h won't mean shit cause luffy negs the attacks

OT: only thing goku has to put down luffy is ki blast spam. Luffy has better precog, better resistances and can blow up his insides with haki

my opinion = fax

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Goku has precognition. He can sense malice. Without ui he reacted to hit in his base form. Was able to follow an IT battle between 2 people who were way faster than him while he was in his base form with no ui. He's reacted to teleportation while using ui in his ssb form.

The ui in his silver haired form would be more accurate than the one in his ssb form. There's also his ki sensing. He's able to locate someone by sensing vibrations in the air. His ui gets more fine tuned as he fights. He's able to shift his vitals to take away most impact from internal attacks. His ui protects his vitals.

He can automatically make himself sturdier as necessary. He has teleportation and the can use it on others. He can create barriers around himself and around others then use telekinesis on the barrier. The barrier is more durable than himself. He's able to make clones and can create a giant version of himself out of ki. There's the kienzen. Kiai techniques. Goku's also more skilled and more experienced in h2h. Luffy gets demolished.

Against beerus in his ssj 3 form his body automatically retreated on its own because beerus was going to end goku if he hadn't done it in that moment. Even without ui, don't see luffy being able to really hit goku. Ui would make it definitely impossible. Goku also has experience fighting someone like luffy too. Someone way stronger as well.

I like how people try to make Goku look impressive while in reality he isn't.

OT: as I said Goku win only due to ki ranged attacks and UI and that's it

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Luffy wins. Goku fanboy don't wanna take their freaking L.

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#11  Edited By Boxdog

@xebec: even with speed equalization Luffys attacks are never connecting due to UI, plus Goku has massive range advantage, and IT. Luffy isn't winning

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@omega7373663: @soulreaperrea: @boxdog:

Considering this battle takes place at the World Martial Arts Tournament arena, does range really make a big difference? Cause going out-of-bounds = loss.

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Luffy beats Goku mid diff

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#15  Edited By Boxdog

@hulksmashtoaa: Luffy still cant tag him with MUI and Goku has energy blasts along with superior mobility via teleportation. Plus extra defenses like ki barriers, telekinesis, and that bootleg susanoo thing

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#16  Edited By Scythenger

@omega7373663: @xebec: base goku can follow two people who are significantly faster than him having an IT fight. Goku reacted to a teleportation blitz. Goku has precognition, can sense malice. Displayed something similar to ui without actually having it at the time. In his base form kept up with ssb tier hit and predicted where he would be despite being at a significant speed disadvantage, not being able to get a read on hit, and having to deal with hits time manipulation.

Base goku figured out where hit would show up at and beat hit to that location before hit could even get there and landed a strike on hit the moment hit appeared. Luffy has nothing on goku. Goku displayed better precognition than luffy. He wasn't even looking at tien and could tell exactly what a clone of his was about to do. Goku doesn't need ui either. But giving him ui makes it even more of a stomp. Hakai, god bind, his barrier creation are instant. And luffy would get IT blitzed. Or get overwhelmed with ki blasts and ki beams.

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@omega7373663: @xebec: base goku can follow two people who are significantly faster than him having an IT fight. Goku reacted to a teleportation blitz. Goku has precognition, can sense malice. Displayed something similar to ui without actually having it at the time. In his base form kept up with ssb tier hit and predicted where he would be despite being at a significant speed disadvantage, not being able to get a read on hit, and having to deal with hits time manipulation.

Base goku figured out where hit would show up at and beat hit to that location before hit could even get there and landed a strike on hit the moment hit appeared. Luffy has nothing on goku. Goku displayed better precognition than luffy. He wasn't even looking at tien and could tell exactly what a clone of his was about to do. Goku doesn't need ui either. But giving him ui makes it even more of a stomp. Hakai, god bind, his barrier creation are instant. And luffy would get IT blitzed. Or get overwhelmed with ki blasts and ki beams.

As I said

I like how people try to make Goku look impressive while in reality he isn't.

OT: as I said Goku win only due to ki ranged attacks and UI and that's it

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#18  Edited By Scythenger

@omega7373663: he's way more impressive than luffy and doesn't even need ui to stomp him. Base goku with equal stats beats g5 luffy easily. Goku has precognition, can sense malice, has ui which gets more fine tuned as he fights, has something where his own body retreats on its own against things that can end his life. Is able to locate someone by feeling vibrations in the air. Has his analytical prediction and can sense ki. Luffy's foresight doesn't compare to all of that. Even disregarding ui goku's still out of luffy's league. Base goku's display against hit is better than anything luffy has shown and again base goku was able to follow 2 people significantly faster than him having an IT battle. And goku's reacted to a teleportation blitz. Luffy has nothing on those things either.

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@scythenger: I’m not commenting on the fight but I’m curious about one thing that caught my attention:

‘Is able to locate someone by feeling vibrations in the air. Has his analytical prediction and can sense ki. Luffy's foresight doesn't compare to all of that.’

Seeing the future is objectively better than all of this unless I’m seriously missing something.

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Fs is too much of an advantage. Ui can't compete, especially considering luffy's combat IQ which is comparable to Goku's

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@vjbthe3: "Fs is too much of an advantage. Ui can't compete,"

Shouldn't UI be effective against FS?

FS reliance on processing future events and then thinking on how to react to then, while UI doesn't need the user to think, giving Goku the speed advantage by default.

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@socajunkie: it's those things coupled with everything else that makes luffy's future sight not that impressive. Goku has displayed something similar to precognition against tien. And it's not analytical prediction alone it's also goku's reactions along with that. Goku has reactions, reflexes etc. along with those things and that's without ui.

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@twrtwrtw: nah dog he sees the future, Goku reacts to things like almost instantly. But Luffy sees things before they happen. Goku's at 0 seconds. Luffy's at like -2 seconds... That's better

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@vjbthe3: Luffy’s combat IQ is in no way comparable to Goku’s

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@soulreaperrea: yes it is. Luffy's literally picked up skills after seeing it once just like Goku, he's overcome obstacles with limited abilities just like Goku, and he arguably has a larger skill set than Goku, even tho Goku has ki abilities and Luffy just has rubber body. You could say Goku's combat IQ is superior, but they're definitely comparable.

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@vjbthe3: yeah but Luffy has to think on how to react according to what FS shows him, while UI can adapt and react to its opponents almost instantly.

Also, since when Luffy has a larger skill set than Goku?

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Actually nah nevermind, Speed Equalised means future sight is fair game lol

Luffy wins

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#28  Edited By Scythenger

Luffy can see into the future but that's it. Goku has the reflexes, reactions, perception all without ui to go with his precognition in being able to know exactly what someone's about to do without looking at them. Then there's his analytical prediction. Along with his malice sensing. His body retreating on its own to avoid an attack that could've ended him. Coupled with his ki sensing, being able to locate someone by feeling vibrations in the air, having telepathy, and in his base form being able to follow instantaneous movements from two people. With ui added he reacted to a teleportation blitz using ui in his ssb form. And ui is at its most accurate when he's in the silver haired form.

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Luffy can see into the future but that's it. Goku has shown precognition in being able to know exactly what someone's about to do without looking at them. Then there's his analytical prediction. Along with his malice sensing. His body retreating on its own to avoid an attack that could've ended him. Coupled with his ki sensing, being able to locate someone by feeling vibrations in the air, having telepathy, and in his base form being able to follow instantaneous movements from two people. With ui added he reacted to a teleportation blitz using ui in his ssb form. And ui is at its most accurate when he's in the silver haired form.

...You know some of the stuff you've mentioned is covered by basic Observation Haki right? Like, sensing someone's intent and reading moves is something basic users can do.

Luffy can outright see the future, and use attacks that can either track Goku, are too big to easily dodge or just toonify his surroundings for starters.

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@Soulreaperrea: Said: (Based on what?)

Based on the fact that luffy has a far better precognition than goku as he would see goku move before he even move giving luffy a few seconds advantage over goku.

Luffy also has a very potent dura neg. Either way, am not gonna debate long here but luffy would beat the hax-less brick with stat equalised.

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#31  Edited By Scythenger

@panzerx: luffy doesn't have goku's feats of reactions and reflexes. He wouldn't be able to sense goku due to not having god ki. And in ui goku's attacks and movements can't be sensed. What feats even with fs does luffy have that can compare or beat base goku's feats against hit? goku reacting to a teleportation blitz, and base goku being able to follow 2 people who are significantly faster than him having an IT battle? and with ui unlike luffy, goku doesn't have to think. Or even move his body. Ui makes his body sense danger and moves on its own. It also decides on how to dodge and it's automatic.

Goku's body even without having ui retreated on its own to make goku avoid a life ending attack. Luffy would be hard pressed to tag base goku but goku with ui wouldn't get touched at all. Goku can also teleport and fly. And luffy even with fs would not be quick enough to escape the blast radius of goku's ki blasts and energy beams. Things like hakai, god bind and goku forming a barrier over someone are instant.

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@panzerx: luffy doesn't have goku's feats of reactions and reflexes. He wouldn't be able to sense goku due to not having god ki. And in ui goku's attacks and movements can't be sensed. What feats even with fs does luffy have that can compare or beat base goku's feats against hit? goku reacting to a teleportation blitz, and base goku being able to follow 2 people who are significantly faster than him having an IT battle? and with ui unlike luffy, goku doesn't have to think. Or even move his body. Ui makes his body sense danger and moves on its own. It also decides on how to dodge and it's automatic.

Goku's body even without having ui retreated on its own to make goku avoid a life ending attack. Luffy would be hard pressed to tag base goku but goku with ui wouldn't get touched at all. Goku can also teleport and fly. And luffy even with fs would not be quick enough to escape the blast radius of goku's ki blasts and energy beams. Things like hakai, god bind and goku forming a barrier over someone are instant.

I genuinely don't think you know anything of what Luffy can do nor have you read the fact alone that stats are equalised, including Gokus speed of which UI only excels at if you're faster than your opponent.

Also, MUI is a last resort for a reason - it burns through so much energy and falls off relatively quickly.

Future Sight can see past everything Goku has, and keep in mind - Luffy doesn't even need to touch him to hurt him considering he can just emit his Haki out.

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#33  Edited By Scythenger

@savage_emperor1: With his malice sensing, precognition and analytical prediction coupled that with IT luffy wouldn't land on him. And if he somehow could or did goku has resistance to internal attacks. And ui in general protects his vitals. In his omen form he was able to take heavy hits from jiren without too much trouble and damage thanks to ui. Goku can also shift his vitals. Ui also makes goku's body become automatically sturdier as necessary. Goku also doesn't have to think or move his body while in ui.

Goku's able to cancel shockwaves too. And can match strikes at exact speed and angle as his opponent. And goku actually has better reflexes, reactions, perception, and sensing than luffy to go along with his own precognition. Not to mention IT. And flight. Barrier creation. Being able to make a giant version of him out of ki. God bind. Hakai.

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#34  Edited By Scythenger

@panzerx: look at what master roshi was capable of doing with something far inferior to ui against jiren. And look at what ui was able to do for beerus against every god of destruction all attacking him at the same time. Ui is something goku can use in his base form. And while using ui in his base form it put base goku on par with ssj vegeta. But goku's reactions, and reflexes were better than ssj vegeta's.

The multiple ki blasts ssj vegeta was really struggling against to avoid were easily avoided by a base goku with his eyes closed. Other examples of ui allowing goku to go toe to toe with people stronger than him is ssb goku vs fp awakened granola and gas who was stronger than granola.

Ui will give goku who in his base form has better feats of reactions, reflexes, perception, sensing and analytical prediction over luffy even more of a buff in those things. And goku doesn't even have to think or do anything. Which also gives him more of an advantage against luffy. In an equal stats match goku can still get benefits from ui. Ui will also continue to evolve as goku fights which will make his movements get more fine tuned. Even if you want to bring up stamina with silver haired ui goku the fight won't last long enough for that to be an issue. Goku can also heal himself and recover stamina as he fights.

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#35  Edited By PanzerX

@scythenger: Roshi lasted about 5 seconds against a Jiren who was clearly holding back before getting immediately tapped out and beaten.

Also, as for Gokus dodging with UI in base? Cool, sure, but by his and Vegetas admission it's not something that's up to par.

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Also Goku was not "going toe to toe" with Granolah or Gas - he was hanging on for dear life, fighting defensively against 2 opponents who he knew he couldn't actually beat. Goku staying defensive especially with just MUI is gonna burn through his energy unfeasibly fast

Also, Luffy has avoided Lasers from Pacifistas with basic Observation Haki which are replicas of Kizarus Light Powers

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With future sight, how does Goku hit him if Luffy knows exactly what Gokus next attack is? Better yet, how does Goku win in the time for UI to tap out and drop off entirely which is how he lost to Granolah?

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Ui will also continue to evolve as goku fights which will make his movements get more fine tuned. Even if you want to bring up stamina with silver haired ui goku the fight won't last long enough for that to be an issue. Goku can also heal himself and recover stamina as he fights.

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#37  Edited By Scythenger

@panzerx: considering the stat gap it's still an impressive showing. Especially considering that what roshi did was way inferior to ui. So that's not a knock against ui with a stronger opponent than the user. Neither is ssb goku holding his own in any capacity against the real granola and then later on against gas. Especially considering goku didn't have experience using ui in his ssj forms and throughout the whole granola arc was having problems with properly wielding ui. Those examples were against people stronger than goku and a jiren who was stronger than master roshi. This is an equal stats match. And regarding ui base goku getting hit by granola, luffy isn't granola. They're not on the same level or have the same abilities. And granola was stronger than base goku.

There's no feat of luffy's that's better than what base goku showed against hit, goku reacting to a tele blitz, and base goku being able to follow gas and granola having an IT fight. Hakai, god bind, forming a barrier, warp kamehameha, just using IT or spamming ki blasts or beams would all make luffy's fs pointless. Luffy wouldn't tax goku's stamina. And to mention again goku can heal himself and recover stamina as he fights. And goku's healing was able to make him tap into his ssb form after sustaining all of the damage he took prior both physical and internally. Goku was good to go after healing himself.

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#39  Edited By Scythenger

@panzerx: this is in response to luffy emitting his haki. Base goku resisted hakai. Goku was able to swim in lava with no problem too. And ki blasts and beams themselves vaporize and goku deflects them, tanks them and blocks them with no problem. Silver haired ui goku also touched and deflected ue vegeta's hakai ball too without any issues. Luffy isn't a threat to goku's stamina. Goku can also make a skin tight ki barrier that was able to block out lavender's poison. Goku can also make a regular barrier. And then there's the defensive capabilities of ui. Goku wouldn't need any of that though.

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#40  Edited By Scythenger

During the Top in his omen form ui was protecting goku's vitals against jiren's physical strikes lessening the damage significantly. In the granola arc when a non fp granola hit a weakened silver haired goku with one vital attack he took goku out. Granola who still wasn't at fp then hit ssb vegeta who had gotten stronger throughout the fight with one vital attack and even though vegeta had cushioned it, it still made vegeta bleed profusely out of his mouth. When a fp granola hit ssb goku who was using ui with multiple vital attacks it had no real effect on goku. And in the moro arc, moro who had no diffed a fresh omen goku broke his hand trying to hit silver haired goku because ui automatically chose to harden goku's body to that extent.

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Luffy can see into the future but that's it. Goku has the reflexes, reactions, perception all without ui to go with his precognition in being able to know exactly what someone's about to do without looking at them. Then there's his analytical prediction. Along with his malice sensing. His body retreating on its own to avoid an attack that could've ended him. Coupled with his ki sensing, being able to locate someone by feeling vibrations in the air, having telepathy, and in his base form being able to follow instantaneous movements from two people. With ui added he reacted to a teleportation blitz using ui in his ssb form. And ui is at its most accurate when he's in the silver haired form.

Your argument is nothing compare to foresight. Hell Goku doesn‘t use air currents like that in character, he only does that in the dark. Goku Telepathy only works if he Touches his head but Goku doesn’t use that in the fight it’s out of character so that’s no go. Ui gets hit regardless Goku is done for.

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#42  Edited By Scythenger

@cloudthemaker: fs is nothing without the reactions to go with it. Goku has multiple ways to get past fs. Goku gets hit in ui by people stronger than him, has taken advantage of the multiple weaknesses of ui or in moro's case also had ui. And even against people who are stronger than him ui has allowed him to hold his own. This is an equal stats fight and luffy would be a non threat. Not to goku's stamina, not to ui and not to goku himself.

Fs gets dealt with by IT, warp kamehameha, a IT + hakai combo, god bind, putting a barrier around luffy, or spamming beams and energy blasts. Internal attacks if they even land aren't phasing him. Goku vastly out skills luffy. He's way better in h2h combat. He's smarter than luffy. Has better techniques. Wouldn't be phased by anything thrown at him. Luffy wouldn't even land anything.

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#43  Edited By Edgelord91

Stats equal? Unless Goku lands hakai or destructo disk Luffy wins mid difficulty.

Including the anime future sight can foresee how an opponent dodges so MUI isn't much of a help.

- Goku can't hurt Luffy with punches while Luffy's punches will mush his organs.

-ki blast get rebounded

-luffy has Regen

-luffy can go right back after his time limit runs out

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#44  Edited By Xernive

People here actually think luffy wins? 😂 Goku creates a Ki-Blade and chops rubber boy in half. Needless to say, the one who knows how to fight wins.

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Luffy due to RW

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#46  Edited By hulksmashtoaa
@xernive said:

People here actually think luffy wins? 😂 Goku creates a Ki-Blade and chops rubber boy in half. Needless to say, the one who knows how to fight wins.

Stats equal? Unless Goku lands hakai or destructo disk Luffy wins mid difficulty.

Including the anime future sight can foresee how an opponent dodges so MUI isn't much of a help.

- Goku can't hurt Luffy with punches while Luffy's punches will mush his organs.

-ki blast get rebounded

-luffy has Regen

-luffy can go right back after his time limit runs out

These would not happen per the stipulations of this fight.

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@xernive said:

People here actually think luffy wins? 😂 Goku creates a Ki-Blade and chops rubber boy in half. Needless to say, the one who knows how to fight wins.

@edgelord91 said:

Stats equal? Unless Goku lands hakai or destructo disk Luffy wins mid difficulty.

Including the anime future sight can foresee how an opponent dodges so MUI isn't much of a help.

- Goku can't hurt Luffy with punches while Luffy's punches will mush his organs.

-ki blast get rebounded

-luffy has Regen

-luffy can go right back after his time limit runs out

These would not happen per the stipulations of this fight.

Does goku stay in MUI entire fight? Seems it comes down to who has the most stamina/endurance.

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@vjbthe3 said:

@soulreaperrea: yes it is. Luffy's literally picked up skills after seeing it once just like Goku, he's overcome obstacles with limited abilities just like Goku, and he arguably has a larger skill set than Goku, even tho Goku has ki abilities and Luffy just has rubber body. You could say Goku's combat IQ is superior, but they're definitely comparable.

No, it isn’t. Two people picking up techniques in one glance doesn’t now inherently make their battle IQ similar or the same, especially when the techniques Goku copied as a child were established to require decades of training to master. I may be wrong but no such cannon statements are the same for the techniques Luffy has copied.

The same goes for overcoming obstacles with limited abilities, we can look at the context of their respective overcoming of obstacles and determine whose was more impressive in regards to skill.

Not sure how having a bigger skill set correlates to increased IQ but that too can be compared, but yes Luffy is much more than just a rubber body.

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@soulreaperrea: Luffy copied Soru by using his rubber body to pump blood throughout his system so he could achieve high speeds. I'd think that feat alone can stand toe to toe with Goku who copies ki abilities which are inherit to the verse or martial arts techniques which are simpler in nature.

He overcame a dude who could predict movements by turning his brain off, which may be goofy in nature, but actually worked. I can't really recall Goku doing anything like that. He usually just overpowers things. The only instance I can recall is figuring hit out, but he used Vegeta as an example, tho he did revive his own life which was, like extremely ingenious

Luffy didn't really start using sun god techniques until gear 4, everything before then was mainly rubber applicable. Otherwise I'd say taking your abilities and using them in unique and interesting ways does correlate to your battle IQ. I would say creating techniques is more impressive than copying techniques, Goku's done things like ki mines, instant Kamehameha, etc. Luffy's created tornadoes using his breathe, bone balloon(gear 3) , etc all creative uses of their abilities even though their initial application was limited.

I'm not saying Luffy is on Goku's level with combat IQ, but they're comparable. They're like a tier or two away, if you could gauge it like that

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#50  Edited By Scythenger

Luffy has no answer to IT, god bind, hakai, warp kamehameha, being put in a barrier, kienzen, or being thrown into space, or ki blasts and ki beams spam. Goku can also make clones. Fs isn't going to help. Even in h2h combat it wouldn't. Especially if goku has ui. None of luffy's offense is phasing goku. Goku has multiple ways to take out luffy and luffy wouldn't be able to touch goku anyway while goku could and will. And it wouldn't take goku long to win.