Mubong (GOH) vs DBS Gauntlet

Mubong runs a DBS gauntlet, can he defeat them?

• Vegeta

• Goku

• Moro

• Granolah

• Gas

• Broly

• Gogeta

Provide well-founded arguments to decide this outcome, not just "DBS GG" or "Mubong GG".

Mubong has all of his artifacts that he used throughout the series, such as:

• The Holy Grail

• The Cross

• The Eight Weapons of Tathagata

• Rusty Trampled Fallen Blade

Only canonical material. Neutral universe.

Can someone present fate and law manipulation resistance for the DB guys?

If not, Mujin clears. And considering how inconsistent DBS is, they have no speed advantage :)

Haxstomps the verse

My perception is that Vegeta/Goku/Broly/Gogeta are the easiest to fall here, considering that Saiyans are not able to survive in space, as shown in chapter 49 of the manga:

This leaves them exceptionally vulnerable to situations that normally should not threaten individuals at their power levels.

For example:

Fairy Colony: Self-replicating fairies whose single unit can destroy the mass of all the planets in the solar system combined (considering that one of them pressed a weaker version of Jin Mori). Goku/Vegeta/Broly/Gogeta will not be able to destroy them faster than they replicate (or at least has not shown fine skill prowess and precise speed for this, if a single one escapes, an army of trillions arises a moment later). Moreover, the fairies can simply bombard all the oxygen-bearing planets from space, as was demonstrated to be their standard MO. The Fairy Colony is a highly replicative species capable of ignoring time stops through reactive adaptation.

Holy Grail: The Holy Grail is capable of sealing the powers of gods and monsters. This means that Goku/Vegeta/Gogeta have their divine powers sealed.

Diamond Sutra + Badro (Kaleidoscope): Allows Mubong to virtually attack from anywhere in the universe via clairvoyance, ignoring distance to make energy spikes strong enough to take down Satan emerge from within their body. Mubong can simply attack from a safe dimension.

@eyeofabyss: "no what are you saying, outer space was multi universal in AP to make them die out of lack of oxygen!"

Ot: Law manipulation+immortality seals the deal.

Mujin obliterates

@estrelladeleon:

Yes.

I find it strange Toriyama's decision to give easily exploitable weaknesses to Saiyans and other characters after the whole becoming universal thing. It's counterintuitive in itself.

For example: Saiyans are unable to withstand high temperatures (ranging from Vegeta being hurt by magma in the Moro arc to Goku "I can't survive in the center of the Earth without a special suit made by Bulma").

This ends up establishing that Mubong could simply use this against Goku and company:

@eyeofabyss: I believe DBS guys are far stronger than Mubong, no doubt about that tbh.

I just can't see how they deal with his immortality and hax, in the long run, it's basically a battle of attrition I don't see them winning, due to well, being incapable of killing him. That's why his hax are fairly threatening, as ofc, by raw potency, they should dwarf him.

@estrelladeleon: I think the same, the DBS side is universal and has enough firepower, but Toriyama gave them so many anti-feats and inconsistencies that it ends up opening many gaps to explore.Besides the lack of hax and esoteric abilities.

Indeed, it is a battle of attrition, but the lack of protection against hax abilities is their demise.

Why do you think Toriyama decided to make this strange decision to keep such weaknesses relevant in DBS?

@eyeofabyss: He probably doesn't do it on purpose for the most part, but, I believe he simply desires to not make the Saiyans invincible even if very powerful. DBS is pretty strong against most settings in reality, but they do have their weak points, and I think this applies for many other series tbh.

From what i have read by people that made blogs about Mubong Park, in terms of hax, he haxstomps the gauntlet very easily, though the DB fighters have the power gap here.

Stops at around 1

Mubong Clears.

Clears the canon franchise, sadly bricks can't beat Mubong, and he is far too fast

Die at his command.

Numerous layers of law manipulation + durability ignore + speed = clear.

how does mubong put the DB characters down? he should be around galaxy...

even if his hax lets him survive its still probably a stalemate at round 1?

@mangacomics69:

what has soul vapor done before?

what does mubong do to kill vegeta?

@mangacomics69:

resistance to what, attack to his soul? and wouldn't that be a NLF if mubong only used the attack on people significantly weaker than vegeta? you could also use the same argument for bleach and their soul crush. do you think yumichika soul crushes vegeta?

what has he shown that can hurt a low multiversal character?

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a fodder magician in kubera can use bhavati marut:

magicians that probably can't even destroy a big building completly can use this spell, do you think they would 1 shot every DB character on the list too?

if you think so i'll agree that mubong wins.

@princex said:

@mangacomics69:

resistance to what, attack to his soul? and wouldn't that be a NLF if mubong only used the attack on people significantly weaker than vegeta? you could also use the same argument for bleach and their soul crush. do you think yumichika soul crushes vegeta?

I mean, it's done via diamond sutra tho, and he just rings the bell & they turn to soul Vapors, resistances are required bro, & it's different from soul crush.

what has he shown that can hurt a low multiversal character?

DBS chars don't really have resistances to much hax to begin with, even if they miraculously get immunity via Ki, Mubong can just copy their stats, command them to die, & Slice them apart via Satan's wings, besides most of the Gauntlet like people pointed out are bricks to begin with.

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a fodder magician in kubera can use hoti marut:

magicians that probably can't even destroy a big building completly can use this spell, do you think they would 1 shot every DB character on the list too?

Unless they can resist that, then yes it can, Ki ain't saving you from all hax bro.

if you think so i'll agree that mubong wins.

Anyways, Read EoB's explanation on Mubong weapons so you can get a general idea, Ask him as I watch from here...

@eyeofabyss said:

My perception is that Vegeta/Goku/Broly/Gogeta are the easiest to fall here, considering that Saiyans are not able to survive in space, as shown in chapter 49 of the manga:

This leaves them exceptionally vulnerable to situations that normally should not threaten individuals at their power levels.

For example:

Fairy Colony: Self-replicating fairies whose single unit can destroy the mass of all the planets in the solar system combined (considering that one of them pressed a weaker version of Jin Mori). Goku/Vegeta/Broly/Gogeta will not be able to destroy them faster than they replicate (or at least has not shown fine skill prowess and precise speed for this, if a single one escapes, an army of trillions arises a moment later). Moreover, the fairies can simply bombard all the oxygen-bearing planets from space, as was demonstrated to be their standard MO. The Fairy Colony is a highly replicative species capable of ignoring time stops through reactive adaptation.

Holy Grail: The Holy Grail is capable of sealing the powers of gods and monsters. This means that Goku/Vegeta/Gogeta have their divine powers sealed.

Diamond Sutra + Badro (Kaleidoscope): Allows Mubong to virtually attack from anywhere in the universe via clairvoyance, ignoring distance to make energy spikes strong enough to take down Satan emerge from within their body. Mubong can simply attack from a safe dimension.

Ask the dude some questions tho, he can provide a better answer in case.

@mangacomics69:

alright fair enough, i guess if a character has not been shown to resist the specific hax they just get 1 shot despite the stats being night and day.

as long as bhavati marut also 1 shots the gauntlet im ok with mubong also being able to clear.

Clears Nujin in even a weakened dying stated was able to damage Nirvana Mori who in ssj3 rip off form merged/overlapped dimensions. Nirvana Mori scales above his own cosmology.

@estrelladeleon: Is it true dying Nujin>SSJ3 Jin>merging dimensions. Than why not he AP one-shot them?

@berberiot: pretty much

@berberiot: no it’s not true. He fought him and mori took him in CQC for novelty sake basically. At least that’s how I interpreted it since they went back to the original location of the first GoH tournament and duked it out H2H

He orders him to kill himself, Vegeta kills himself. Or destroys him on a conceptual level, considering Mujin can destroy Core Elements. Or binds him to him as his slave through law manipulation. Or manipulates the Karmic Cycle as the Supreme God. Or kills him with a Mandala. Not hard to understand.

Vegeta is also laughably slower.

Nah, that can be just op space-time manipulation tbh, but I guess you could make an argument. However, Mujin could at least harm Nirvana Mori, so I guess he scales to universe levels of power at the very least.

Db team blitzes and erases, considering the shockwave feat scales to weaker versions of their base. Then you add on the multipliers for their forms and they become much faster than what Mubong can tangle with.

@applekidthethird: GoH was in the thousands (hundreds of thousands of times if you really wanna extend that shii) LS range before they even went to the Sage realm lmao. DB does not hold a candle in speed.

That'a nice. Still too slow for people that can(in base) react to things that travel through 3 universes like it's nothing.

Mori's shockwave of a kick extinguished every star in the sky in picoseconds, that's Ragnarok arc, and it's faster than anything in DBS(the author himself intended for it to be the universe btw).

Mubong's own attack could harm Mori in Nirvana, meaning it actually reached beyond space and time to do so, and Mujin's malice/power covered the whole universe in little time.

So by the same logic DB uses to get to "quadrillions x ftl" through shockwaves or "light" crossing a certain distance, GoH gets much faster, and Mubong would actually be capable of striking people beyond linear time.

Seems like peak Mubong just statues the gauntlet pretty bad. Not considering the crazy speed feat against Satan all the way in a ridiculously stupidly fodder version to his peak self, and through the fan calcs I saw, it gets higher than anything in DBS.

But in any case, Mujin tell them to kill themselves and they die, as DB side has no mind resistance whatsoever, especially through law manipulation.

@estrelladeleon:

do you also think this ability by someone who isn't even city block level 1 shots all the dragon ball characters if it hits?

@mangacomics69: Mubong has others abilities to win but soul vapor won't work on DB team.

Base goku resisted hakai ( body and soul erasure) from a universal god of destruction . Thanks to that goku can resist soul vapor

@eyeofabyss: I have a question. Vegeta has his spirit fission ability.

Can't he just use it and separate Mubong and tataghata. This will rewind mubong into his Normal self and he will get obliterated

@princex said:

@estrelladeleon:

do you also think this ability by someone who isn't even city block level 1 shots all the dragon ball characters if it hits?

It's hax, so yes

Hax doesn't care of power or durability, unless it's limited for specific reasons

yes this should work

Show FSF affecting any imaginary spaces and negating immortality tied to external source such as the Prophets. Otherwise, no, he is doing nothing. And you're abusing an ability that's completely out of character for Vegeta to use.

Also Legeta is a statue, so not sure what he gonna do lol

@estrelladeleon: it’s not out of character for Vegeta to use spirit fusion, plus anythings goes. Tathgata spirit is one with Mujin he’ll separate them.

@estrelladeleon: I am not abusing anything just asking a simple question to EYE OF THE ABYSS.

Vegeta was tired of those who fight using borrowed power of power from fusion then he created this ability.

I figured out mubong is merged with tataghata 's soul, so I asked my question

@cloudthemaker: I think so

Show Vegeta using FSF post Moro arc while in Ultra Ego

Show FSF affecting imaginary space, where Tathagata's soul resides, otherwise I suggest you to check out fanfiction.net

Mubong clears.

Tathagata’s whole existence is one with Mubong’s linked via an imaginary plane of existence. Mind, body, soul are one and the same Tathagata and Mubong, or in other words, their core element. That being their very concept.

@estrelladeleon:

Show Vegeta using FSF post Moro arc while in Ultra Ego

Why? It’s an ability he has. Plus you saying it’s not in character. The prompt doesn’t say in character so anything should go.

Show FSF affecting imaginary space, where Tathagata's soul resides, otherwise I suggest you to check out fanfiction.net

Imaginary Space? What are you talking about? Pieces of Tathagata fragments were set on earth to accelerate his resurrection. However it doesn’t affect them physically but spiritually. Vegeta SF should work regardless

@estrelladeleon: I also wanted to know the opinion of Eye of Abyss on this

Post moro arc, no one used soul fusion or borrowed power for vegeta to use this again. If a foe come with borrowed power again, he will probably use it.

Where are y’all getting this from?! I feel y’all making up bs

@estrelladeleon: Yes, the Gauntlet still has no answers to Law Manipulation on such levels to begin with, wanna see anyone saying Ki can make you resist... Even if they miraculously did, there's still the fact that Mubong's too versatile.