MS Sasuke and MS Itachi vs The Sannin

Location:

Valley of the End

Needs more details but I'd give the slight edge to Sasuke and Itachi. If Itachi was specified healthy or edo, then majority to them.

Sannin. Orochi can summon the hokages, Tsunade in her unsealed form was alright against madara, and Jiraiya's sage mode hard counters the sharingan.

Sannin edge it out barely.

Note this is MS sasuske ( bee fight/danzo) not EMS

Orochimaru requires prep to use Edo

@limitlesssigil: Jiraiya can transport orochi to the frog dimension and let him prep there.

I meant prep in the sense that he needs to preemptively have a couple of corpses as well as have the Kage's DNA on him, which he's never shown to always carry around.

Sanin have slight edge with Orochi being able to summon the hokages, Jiraiya can counter sharingan with sage mode, and Tsunade still solid.

Read my post above

@limitlesssigil: Even without edo tensei, a sick injured orochimaru pushed naruto to 4 tails. He is much more versatile than sasuke and has more option up his sleeve.

Sage mode jiraiya

( if your going with healthy itachi, then it's only fair for healthy orochimaru)

Tsunade is > MS sasuke. Ms Sasuke vs Madara would get stomped so hard.

This fight is essentially Itachi vs The Sannin

Unless you think MS sasuke can beat pain outright.

He pushed a start of Shippuden 4 tails.

Doubtful Jiraiya is using Sage Mode here, the place he used it against Pain had a lot of hiding spots for which he could buy time

MS Sasuke > Tsunade imo, Tsunade only did anything to Madara because she had 4 other Kages with her

I don't see how Itachi doesn't instantly Genjutsu 1 or 2 of them, after all we saw Orochimaru was completely helpless against his standard Genjutsu, not even Tsukuyomi

Neither Jiraiya nor Orochimaru have any way of getting through Itachi's Susanoo. Tsunade can't get through the Yata mirror, and Itachi can easily seal her with Totsuka Blade

Assuming everyone here is at their strongest, Danzo fight Sasuke can beat any of these 1 on 1

@limitlesssigil: Yata mirror and totsuka blade are NLF. They worked on a 1/3rd hp orochimaru, if anything they are not consistent nor ever used in the series again.

Tsunade's healing factor is too much for sasuke to deal with; The location is Valley Of The End. The Sannin definetly have the terrain advantage. If orochimaru were to be put under tsukuyomi it would take a lot of chakra away from itachi, and Tsu/Jiraiya could pour chakra into him to break it.

The sannin have the experience advantage and jiraiya can easily create shadow clones and go to his own frog dimension and gather sage energy like he did against the pains.

Fighting a rinnegan user is much > than a sharingan user. If the path's + Nagato+ konan couldnt find where jiraiya was, neither would the brothers

All in all

Jiraiya can stall with summons + orochimaru's summons +snake clones

Tsunade's regenation is too much to handle

Her strength is off the charts

Managed to blitz madara

This is not a 1 on 1 battle.

This is a team fight and the Sannin definetly have the teamwork and experience advantage.

Tsunade cracked a humanoid Susanoo she can definitely crack a partial Susanoo, Jiriya is a expert in countering Genjutsu and can drown a Susanoo in his "Swamp of the underworld" Orochimaru is damn near impossible to kill and has plenty of tricks.

This happens to team

Jiraiya and itachi are a match themselves...even itachi said if he and kisame fought jiraiya it'd probably end with everyone dead. Adding in 2 more sannin just to fight Sasuke is kinda op. Too much firepower for sannin . Sannin 8/10

Sasuke is a weak link here. Sage Jiraiya solos.

Empty statement, and it's far more likely that Itachi just said that as an excuse in order to not have to fight a strong ally.

Jiraiya got gravely injured by a pre-Shippuden 4 tails

Jiraiya has no notable speed feats

Jiraiya died to the weakest Paths of Pain whilst in Sage Mode.

Uchiha team without much trouble. Itachi has already defeated Orochimaru twice and he is considered their strongest member. The sannin have no answers for genjutsu, susanoo and amaterasu.

Soo it's empty cause....? You're gonna tell itachi he's wrong about who he can beat. Also he didn't seem mind killing allies when he was gonna kill asuma, kuranie and kidnap kakashi did he? Plus jiraiya and itachi weren't allies. Try again

That's a battle we didn't see so we don't know the and context and it's not like Sasuke or itachi wouldn' t have a hard time with 4-tails. Jiraiya very likely didn't try to hurt naruto. Use fight scenes we've actually witnessed your reaching with that.

are you suggesting he'll get blitzed? If so we have no more need to talk. Plenty of people below jiraiya have fought Sasuke or itachi. Kakashi has more speed feats then jiraiya so kakashi>jiraiaya? Stop it

Did you watch that fight?? 1. He got killed while out of sage mode 2. He lost a arm after getting blindsided cause he killed 3 pains and didn't tknow there were more. And even after having lost a arm he managed to fight off and still kill another pain. Soo. He killed 4 pains with no previous on knowledge on his crazy abilities. Lastly they ALL jumped him together. Pain>>Sasuke,pain>itachi so I don't even know why you brought that up. You're trying to low-ball jiraiya when literally everyone in naruto verse respects his power. Pain literally said if jiraiya had known about his ability to come bacc he wouldn't have won.

Sharingan Itachi = Jirayai - based on statements from Part 1 Itachi

MS Healthy Itachi = / SM Jirayai - Just a guess

MS Sasuke is much stronger than Orochimaru

Tsunade in War is probably superior to Orochimaru considering her durability feats against Edo Rinnegan Madara

So to my analysis Itachi VS Jirayai is nearly a stalemate, while MS Sasuke will have his hands full with Orochimaru + Tsunade. N Orochimaru shouldn’t be a problem so if he gets rid of Orochimaru first, Tsunade should go down with high difficulty as well.

But these are big IFs and will depend on if Itachi can actually take down Jirayai fast enough. If not, Sasuke might be overwhelmed but 2 Saninn, since Sauce stamina in MS is not nearly as great as it is in the Danzou fight. This will entirely depend on if this is MS Sasuke from Killer Bee fight or MS Sasuke in Danzou fight.

@limitlesssigil:

You said so much wrong it's sad.

Sure you know better than kisame what his power his got it

Firs you purposely avoided the point I made about him trying to kill kakashi,asuma and kurenai who are also ninja of the leaf so...

Oruchimaru was having fun with 3-tails not 4 . He literally couldn't harm 4 tails and was getting stomped so he escaped and could barely move. We've only seen two alteration btwn itachi and oruchimaru and neither was full fight which doesn't matter since we're talking about jiraiya who is >oruchimaru.

Ok we're done here kakashi got stomped fight 2 pains but he's >jiraiya who killed 4 of them? also got he got beat by just about everyone he's fought aside from zabuza

Now you've gone from "weakest to 4 weakest lol these same "weakest " pains we're smashing a village so.... And since when is the the one who absorbs chakra attacks the weakest? All of the pains are strong stop trying to low-ball them.

Every advantage.....right he had terrain advantage fighting in the village that pain controls, in his tower, sorrounded by giant metal pipes... The toad sages are summons...kinda like all the summons pain used also how did he have the advantage when pain already knew of jiraiya abilities including sage mode while jiraiya knew nothing of what pain could do?

1. This isn't Edo itachi and he wasn't = to nagato he, killer bee and naruto all worked together to just seal nagato and that included PIS since somehow nagato couldn't see the susanoo despite being able to see and sense chakra. Also how is he >>>>>>>that paths it's literally the same abilities he just uses them at once instead of in tandem as a a team. Is he stronger? Yes but not by what you indicated.

Jiraiya is mid-tier(not) but itachi isn't??? The want over itachi is crazy these days

Once again speculation on your part doesn't matter what YOU think when this is a direct statement from pein. and considering he managed to kill 4 of then without that info and one arm it's not a stretch to say he would beat him if he went in with knowledge. He specifically said they were paying respect to his power cause he probably wouldn't have won without that secret. You're literally trying to argue against what these characters have said about their chance and situation with jiraiya.

I think Tsunade can hold them off long enough for Jiraya to activate sage mode. With un-avoidable Audio Genjutsu, I think the Sannin take this.

Their summons all work great with eachother and would be trouble for MS Sasuke to deal with while Tsunade and healthy Orochimaru can apply pressure on Itachi.

I see the Sannin winning 6/10 tbh.

The Sannin lose.

@redshift_bacon: Tsunade isn't tagging either of them. Itachi is the single most powerful genjutsu user in the verse (aside from I.T.), any type of genjutsu used against him visual or otherwise is going to fail or even worse, backfire. Summons will be controlled by Sasuke and used to attack the Sanin. Healthy Oro vs Healthy Itachi already ends with Itachi stomping Oro. Oro got stomped by Itachi before and because of it decided it was too risky for him to go after Itachi.

Next point?

Yeah, Itachi and Sasuke would win for sure.

@saint_of_origin said:

Tsunade tagged Madara. Lmao.

Itachi's Sharingan only protects him from Visual Based Genjutsu and even then it is fallible (Kotoamatsukami). Even the Rinnegan of Pein couldn't stop the Auditory genjutsu created by the Sage Frogs so that entire statement is blatant Itachi wank. Sage-Mode is a Hard-Counter to Sharingan.

They can recall their Summons if they get Controlled and Katsuyu is linked to Tsunade with Yin Seal meaning she can easily break her out of Genjutsu anyways.

I wasn't aware the fight was Healthy Itachi because then I think the MS team would take the Majority outright. Sick Itachi makes for a more fair fight in terms of results.

Okay, but this isn't about Oro's character, it is about them in an all-out brawl and Oro was taking on the 4-Tails while heavily weakened and Tsunade was beating up an (albeit Edo) Madara sooo...

Itachi one shots Oro. So that leaves Itachi and Sasuke vs Tsunade & Jiraya. Under the assumption that sasuke can use susanoo, the brothers take it 6/10.

@saint_of_origin said:

Irrelevant, the feat still applies and Edo Madara's speed is greater than that of Edo Itachi's based on Feats.

Dojutsu specifically protect from Visual Genjutsu because it is the Eyes that give them the power. Its not that Sharingan Uchiha are just immune to all types of Genjutsu. If that were the case, Itachi and Sasuke wouldn't have needed to break themselves out of Kabuto's Genjutsu. Absolute Sharingan wank here lmao dude you are ridiculous.

NeVeR StAtEd Or iMpLiEd - How you would argue against this. Now my turn, You're right, Kotoamatsukami isn't comparable to the Frog Sage Genjutsu, Frog-Sage Genjutsu is comparable to Kabuto's Sage genjutsu that still effected MS Itachi (while effected by Koto no less) and EMS Sasuke. We can speculate for hours about how Sharingan effects visual Genjutsu resistance but whats clear is that Auditory Genjutsu bypasses the Dojutsu resistance entirely, especially when it is Sage-Level.

By Recall I just mean BFR'ing them. Besides, Summons are only there to Stall while Jiraya preps for Sage-Mode and utilizes Auditory Genjutsu. At that point, the fight is over. Itachi will no doubt go straight for Jiraya during the Genjutsu, however I think that Above-4-Tails Orochimaru and Tsunade between themselves can apply enough pressure.

I think MS Sasuke will wear himself out against the summons before going for the Genjutsu, as we saw in his fight against Bee. Katsuyu will never fall to Genjutsu due to the Yin-seal. MS Sasuke's Stamina is not that great while he is using MS abilities, and even Itachi's stamina is lacking in this fight, especially compared to Tsunade who fought Madara for hours.

Because Healthy Itachi is far above Sannin Level, even above Kage Level, so using him in a fight against Sannin wouldn't make sense. We can use Weakened Oro if you want it makes no difference to my arguments. If we use Healthy Itachi then team 1 wins in a one-sided Stomp and the thread should be locked for Spite. If we are using Sick Itachi and Healthy Oro then the Sannin team at least has a chance using their tactics and numerical advantage. So if you want to argue its a Spite, then by all means argue away. But I am not going to debate about Healthy Itachi vs Sannin because that debate is a Spite, so if thats your intent, simply stop replying.

Oro isn't trying to take Itachi's Eyes here he just needs to Kill or Seal him, and he has support from 2 people who Hard-Counter most of Itachi's abilities so, that entire argument is irrelevant.

She isn't alone here either lmao. Madara barely trying makes no difference because his idea of "barely trying" is not just immediately stomping with 25 Susano'os, which Itachi simply cant do.

Madara was still trying to defeat them he was just restricting himself so he could have fun. That doesn't have any baring on Tsunade Tagging him, because he himself admits that could have been bad if he didn't have so much Stacking for him (Wood Clones, Edo Regen, Hashi Regen, ect.)

@limitlesssigil: Yeah i corrected my mistake later on in the post; The summons are to stall.

And yes i do believe Nagato+ Pain is > than EMS sasuke. Nagato himself IMO is >EMS sasuke

As for your other points,

the counter to genjutsu is by the constant chakra flow by others on the team. Tsunade can regenerate everything the brothers dish out + more ( as evident with the entire war arc when she healed basically everybody)

The duo stomps.

I'll be honest, Healthy Itachi is overrated/hype up to Sage of six path level, which he isn't.

I'll say he's Kage level without a doubt, but not god tier.

@infintegod12: Healthy Itachi is easily Hokage tier (most of the Hokages are a step up from the other Kages)

Prime Itachi wouldve been able to keep up in the war arc just like Kakashi.

Sasuke broke out of tsukuyomi by activating the curse mark. Exogenous source of chakra if you will.

Uchihas mid diff.

It takes him like 10 minutes to go sage mode

And a near blind, near chakraless Itachi literally moments away from death 1 shot blitzed Orochimaru

@anomalous: Show me the scans

@rxdking:

MS sasuke wasn’t even base bee level

Sannin shitstomp hard

The post doesn't say healthy itachi, or edo itachi, and it doesn't say EMS Sasuke.

So we have to take what we have, which is Kage Summit Sasuke, and Itachi pre-edo. Just like we have to take it as a non-healthy Orochimaru. Whether you want to interpret that as an Orochimaru at the lowest point in power as opposed to him throughout the majority of the series is up to you.

Either way the sannin take with mid-difficulty and thats giving Itachi a lot of credit here. Tsunade can't die and can wreck Susanoo's. She was able to combat Madara who dumpsters Itachi in just about every category and was able to wreck his Susanoo. Jiraiya by statements is up there with Pain who is at least in the same tier as Itachi.

MS Sasuke is probably the weak link here, or Orochimaru. Tsunade can feasibly one shot Sasuke if she connects a clean blow and from that point the Sannin kind of gangbang. The only way that any of them can even die is Totsuka Blade because Tsunade's healing is bonkers, or Kirin which... if i'm being honest I don't think Sasuke will have enough time to actually use.

We have to keep in mind Killer Bee in BASE absolutely bodied the hell out of sasuke while fighting him and 2 other people. Twice.

@anomalous said:

@rxdking:

1) That's not even full power orochimaru or anything near it.

2) it's a mere fragment taken from the curse mark that sasuke had.

3) it's more of a spirit a super tiny little bit of orochimaru that lived inside sasuke( think of shadow clone but much weaker)

Orochimaru did the same thing to all the people he gave the curse mark to.

Once again; a psudeo orochimaru came from the curse mark. Not the real deal.

@rxdking: Nice head canon. Sasuke absorbed the real Orochimaru when they fought

So yes, it's really him. He emerged just as powerful as he was when Sasuke fought him. Is that healthy Orochimaru at full strength? No, but it certainly isn't a healthy and fresh Itachi either

@anomalous: So then you're going to fall into the NLF of the totsuka blade.

It worked once, it will forever work; A near dead itachi instant sealing orochimaru is a huge asspull. This is not the first time kishimoto could not deal with a character so he had to get rid of him with the weakest way out.

Example: Madara " Oh i know, a rabbit will just take him over"

@saint_of_origin: exactly that

@rxdking: Lol what? NLF? It has already been shown that it's fast enough to catch Orochimaru out and strong enough to pierce him. Nothing NLF about it. You mean PIS, and it's not even that. Kishimoto could have easily just left Oro dormant inside Sasuke forever and called it a day if he couldn't think of any other way to deal with him. It's not like he HAD to be a part of that fight at all. Totsuka isn't even Itachi's only viable strategy against him anyway

@anomalous: Totsuka blade is NLF. It has only worked against orochimaru.

That's off topic though: Reminder that this isnt a itachi vs orochimaru battle.

It's MS sasuke and MS itachi vs The Sannin. While tsunade is easily busts sasuke around ( MS sasuke doesnt even have a complete susanoo) Jiraiya takes the time to go into sage mode and hard counter all sharigan abilities.

Another thing i noticed in this thread is that people argue "tsuyokomi and Amaterasu" non stop. Remember when itachi casted Amaterasu and it drained a shit ton of chakra?

The sannin are too versatile and take it.