Mr. X vs Batgirl (cassandra)

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#1  Edited By glforthewin

fight takes place in a dojo  
Combatants start 12.5 meters apart  
Strictly hand to hand  
Win is by death only  
Both of them have no prep but have been told who they'll fight 
Both are in character  

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#2  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator
@glforthewin said:
"fight takes place in a dojo  Combatants start 12.5 meters apart  Strictly hand to hand  Win is by death only  Both of them have no prep but have been told who they'll fight Both are in character   "

Does that mean they know OF the other characters skills and abilities?
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#3  Edited By glforthewin
@k4tzm4n: nope they're just given their opponents name and then they fight. sorry if it was confusing 
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#4  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator
@glforthewin said:

" @k4tzm4n: nope they're just given their opponents name and then they fight. sorry if it was confusing  "


I'll come out swinging by saying Mr. X.  Unless he babbles about his powers, it's hard to believe Batgirl would be able to take this solely in unarmed combat.
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#5  Edited By The_Ghostshell

I'm only coming in here to say I hope we don't see a flood of the same Batgirl scans we always see.

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#6  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator
@Gambler said:
"I'm only coming in here to say I hope we don't see a flood of the same Batgirl scans we always see. "

*waits for the scan of her dodging bullets so he can point out how that doesn't matter in this match*
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#7  Edited By Static Shock

Batgirl is in for a real fight....

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#8  Edited By glforthewin

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#9  Edited By vuviper
@Gambler said:
" I'm only coming in here to say I hope we don't see a flood of the same Batgirl scans we always see. "
there are scans of Batgirl? On the vine?
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#10  Edited By geraldthesloth

Mister X would take the fight to Batgirl in this one.

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#11  Edited By Ferro Vida

I think that Mr. X's precog will allow him to edge out Cassie after one Hell of a fight.

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#12  Edited By vuviper
@geraldthesloth said:
" Mister X would take the fight to Batgirl in this one. "
Can I see some Mister X scans? I think that'd be cool
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#13  Edited By geraldthesloth
@vuviper: Sure thing
 

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Not in order, but it's all I can really think of.
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#14  Edited By dane

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#15  Edited By IcePrince_X

Mr. X unless Cassandra can fight with a blank mind... she may have a chance in defeating him.

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#16  Edited By vuviper
@IcePrince_X said:
" Mr. X unless Cassandra can fight with a blank mind... she may have a chance in defeating him. "
A blank mind?
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#17  Edited By FLCL1
@geraldthesloth said:
" Mister X would take the fight to Batgirl in this one. "
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#18  Edited By IcePrince_X
@vuviper said:
" @IcePrince_X said:
" Mr. X unless Cassandra can fight with a blank mind... she may have a chance in defeating him. "
A blank mind? "
 
Its a technique where your body moves but your mind is in a different state of concsciousness that is why a telepath may not be able to detect what will be your next move.
 
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#19  Edited By Son_of_Magnus
@Gambler said:
" I'm only coming in here to say I hope we don't see a flood of the same Batgirl scans we always see. "
When I post scans for BG I try to post ones that are not the reg run of the mil common ones
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#20  Edited By Static Shock
@IcePrince_X said:
" Its a technique where your body moves but your mind is in a different state of concsciousness that is why a telepath may not be able to detect what will be your next move.   "
Not necessarily a technique, but a state of mind where a fighter would have to fight based on instinct and not think about his/her moves.
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#21  Edited By vuviper
@Static Shock said:
" @IcePrince_X said:
" Its a technique where your body moves but your mind is in a different state of concsciousness that is why a telepath may not be able to detect what will be your next move.   "
Not necessarily a technique, but a state of mind where a fighter would have to fight based on instinct and not think about his/her moves. "
Ah, but cassandra isn't a telepath and doesn't predict the opponents moves based on his state of mind, but by clues from their body
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#22  Edited By Static Shock
@vuviper said:
" Ah, but cassandra isn't a telepath and doesn't predict the opponents moves based on his state of mind, but by clues from their body "
True, but doesn't she think about her moves?
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#23  Edited By vuviper
@Static Shock said:
" @vuviper said:
" Ah, but cassandra isn't a telepath and doesn't predict the opponents moves based on his state of mind, but by clues from their body "
True, but doesn't she think about her moves? "
Oh I thought he was saying Mr. X would fight with ablank mind, my mistake
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#24  Edited By Static Shock
@vuviper said:
" Oh I thought he was saying Mr. X would fight with ablank mind, my mistake "
It's cool.
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#25  Edited By Power NeXus

Mr X does not predict his opponents next moves via telepathy or reading body language, but by reading the impulses in their nervous system.

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#26  Edited By Static Shock
@Power NeXus said:
" Mr X does not predict his opponents next moves via telepathy or reading body language, but by reading the impulses in their nervous system. "
That's another thing. People confuse this with conscious thought, even the writers. They forget that the human body causes impulses whenever bodily functions or movements take place, and are independent of thought. This confusion with the way Mister X's powers work is the reason why Wolverine (berserked) defeated him, as well as Iron Fist (by using a style of kung fu that focused on being unpredictable). It's very silly.
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#27  Edited By Son_of_Magnus

Does Mr. X have enhanced speed, strength, agility, ect.?

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#28  Edited By Static Shock
@Son_of_Magnus said:
" Does Mr. X have enhanced speed, strength, agility, ect.? "
I don't think so. Wouldn't matter, though. Wolverine has all of this, and X destroyed him in battle.
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#29  Edited By Zaterra

Mr. X

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#30  Edited By vuviper

Well how fast is he?

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#31  Edited By The_Ghostshell
@Static Shock said:
" @Son_of_Magnus said:
" Does Mr. X have enhanced speed, strength, agility, ect.? "
I don't think so. Wouldn't matter, though. Wolverine has all of this, and X destroyed him in battle. "
Didnt Wolverine beat him in the second match up? I dont remember
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@Static Shock said:
" @Son_of_Magnus said:
" Does Mr. X have enhanced speed, strength, agility, ect.? "
I don't think so. Wouldn't matter, though. Wolverine has all of this, and X destroyed him in battle. "
I am curious though. With Cassandra's predictive ability, it would seem her moves are based more on her reacting to another's attacks rather than her simply acting alone. I would say that with that ability, if she waited for him to make the first move, she could have an advantage right?
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#33  Edited By Static Shock
@vuviper said:
"Well how fast is he?"
Well, he's dodged Wolverine several times (who moves faster than the human eye). He's fast enough to deflect bullets with his sword, as well.
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#34  Edited By Red_Blade
@Gambler said:
" @Static Shock said:
" @Son_of_Magnus said:
" Does Mr. X have enhanced speed, strength, agility, ect.? "
I don't think so. Wouldn't matter, though. Wolverine has all of this, and X destroyed him in battle. "
Didnt Wolverine beat him in the second match up? I dont remember "
From what I read, Wolverine was beating him until X bodyguard interrupted the fight
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#35  Edited By The_Ghostshell
@Red_Blade said:
" @Gambler said:
" @Static Shock said:
" @Son_of_Magnus said:
" Does Mr. X have enhanced speed, strength, agility, ect.? "
I don't think so. Wouldn't matter, though. Wolverine has all of this, and X destroyed him in battle. "
Didnt Wolverine beat him in the second match up? I dont remember "
From what I read, Wolverine was beating him until X bodyguard interrupted the fight "
Do you have scans by any chance?
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#36  Edited By Red_Blade
@Gambler said:
" @Red_Blade said:
" @Gambler said:
" @Static Shock said:
" @Son_of_Magnus said:
" Does Mr. X have enhanced speed, strength, agility, ect.? "
I don't think so. Wouldn't matter, though. Wolverine has all of this, and X destroyed him in battle. "
Didnt Wolverine beat him in the second match up? I dont remember "
From what I read, Wolverine was beating him until X bodyguard interrupted the fight "
Do you have scans by any chance? "
I don't, I just read about it online
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#37  Edited By Static Shock
@erik said:
" I am curious though. With Cassandra's predictive ability, it would seem her moves are based more on her reacting to another's attacks rather than her simply acting alone. I would say that with that ability, if she waited for him to make the first move, she could have an advantage right? "
I doubt it. Because even if she waited for him to attack so she could launch a counterattack, he would still be able to read it because his ability.
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#38  Edited By Erik
@Static Shock said:
" @erik said:
" I am curious though. With Cassandra's predictive ability, it would seem her moves are based more on her reacting to another's attacks rather than her simply acting alone. I would say that with that ability, if she waited for him to make the first move, she could have an advantage right? "
I doubt it. Because even if she waited for him to attack so she could launch a counterattack, he would still be able to read it because his ability. "
But then he would counter, she would read it and execute another counter right? I think it really comes down to who is unfortunate enough to attack first. 
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#39  Edited By Static Shock
@Gambler said:
" Didnt Wolverine beat him in the second match up? I dont remember "
Yes, because Wolverine went berserk, making him unpredictable so X couldn't read him. But, X's powers don't lock on to thoughts, but rather the neural impulses, so he should have been able to read him anyway.
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#40  Edited By Static Shock
@erik said:
" But then he would counter, she would read it and execute another counter right? I think it really comes down to who is unfortunate enough to attack first.  "
They would be blocking each other.
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#41  Edited By Erik
@Static Shock said:
" @erik said:
" But then he would counter, she would read it and execute another counter right? I think it really comes down to who is unfortunate enough to attack first.  "
They would be blocking each other. "
Exactly. Very likely they would block each other over and over again until the better fighter put their opponent into a situation where they cannot block the next attack. Now the question is who is the better fighter?
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#42  Edited By Static Shock
@erik said:
"Exactly. Very likely they would block each other over and over again until the better fighter put their opponent into a situation where they cannot block the next attack. Now the question is who is the better fighter? "
Depends. Mr. X has more bad showings than she does. He lost to Wolverine because of an inconsistency with his powers, and the same against Iron Fist, who used a style of kung fu that made him unpredictable. He lost again to Luke Cage in the issue after that while he was busy reading Iron Fist, but the problem with that is Mr. X has read two people before (Wolverine and Taskmaster, IIRC). Other than that, he's humiliated Taskmaster, Wolverine, Black Widow and Songbird. Batgirl, on the other hand, has better showings. 
 
If both are written correctly, it would be hard to determine a winner.
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#43  Edited By glforthewin
@Gambler: i think that was because wolverine went into a beserk rage
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#44  Edited By ComicStooge

Mr.X FTW! Yes Cassandra Cain loses...I'm so proud!
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#45  Edited By Static Shock
@ComicStooge said:
" Mr.X FTW! Yes Cassandra Cain loses...I'm so proud! "
Make a case.
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#46  Edited By ComicStooge

Why should I really need to...Mister X took down Wolverine like he was nothing...
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#47  Edited By Static Shock
@ComicStooge said:
" Why should I really need to... Mister X took down Wolverine like he was nothing... "
So? That's just like me saying Batgirl would win because she defeated Bizarro Supergirl. The statement, in itself, is fallacious.
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#48  Edited By geraldthesloth
@Gambler said:
" @Static Shock said:
" @Son_of_Magnus said:
" Does Mr. X have enhanced speed, strength, agility, ect.? "
I don't think so. Wouldn't matter, though. Wolverine has all of this, and X destroyed him in battle. "
Didnt Wolverine beat him in the second match up? I dont remember "
He went feral and became too wild to read.
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#49  Edited By The_Ghostshell

Thanks. My last question would be this: Has Mr. X ever faced another character who had the ability to predict/read moves? Cause CC has. Not saying that gives her the win, just pointing out that she has experience facing people who can, and have, read her.

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#50  Edited By Static Shock
@Gambler said:
" Thanks. My last question would be this: Has Mr. X ever faced another character who had the ability to predict/read moves?
No, he hasn't.