Mr. Mxyzptlk vs. COIE Anti-Monitor
" COIE AM should be the 2nd or 3rd strongest in DCU besides The Spectre and The presence. as for feats.....COIE, need i say more? "He's more powerful then the Spectre
" @drkcloud said:i thought the spectre served directly under the presence, how's he more powerful then that? the spectre is literally a LT" COIE AM should be the 2nd or 3rd strongest in DCU besides The Spectre and The presence. as for feats.....COIE, need i say more? "He's more powerful then the Spectre "
" @Johnny_Nemesis said:The spectre isnt on the same level as the LT, and the Spectre already lost to the AM" @drkcloud said:i thought the spectre served directly under the presence, how's he more powerful then that? the spectre is literally a LT "" COIE AM should be the 2nd or 3rd strongest in DCU besides The Spectre and The presence. as for feats.....COIE, need i say more? "He's more powerful then the Spectre "
" @drkcloud said:Well, that's not necessarily true. The Spectre shares essentially the same function as the LT, but not the same power level. Hierarchy wise, he ties. Feat wise... he's severely lacking in comparison." @Johnny_Nemesis said:The spectre isnt on the same level as the LT, and the Spectre already lost to the AM "" @drkcloud said:i thought the spectre served directly under the presence, how's he more powerful then that? the spectre is literally a LT "" COIE AM should be the 2nd or 3rd strongest in DCU besides The Spectre and The presence. as for feats.....COIE, need i say more? "He's more powerful then the Spectre "
" @drkcloud said:well, eitherway thats why i said hes either the 2nd or 3rd strongest, =P" @Johnny_Nemesis said:The spectre isnt on the same level as the LT, and the Spectre already lost to the AM "" @drkcloud said:i thought the spectre served directly under the presence, how's he more powerful then that? the spectre is literally a LT "" COIE AM should be the 2nd or 3rd strongest in DCU besides The Spectre and The presence. as for feats.....COIE, need i say more? "He's more powerful then the Spectre "
Mxy, he has a higher set of reality warping powers unless he's stupid enough to hang around and allow Monitor to say his name backwards.
" @Johnny_Nemesis said:" @drkcloud said:i thought the spectre served directly under the presence, how's he more powerful then that? the spectre is literally a LT "" COIE AM should be the 2nd or 3rd strongest in DCU besides The Spectre and The presence. as for feats.....COIE, need i say more? "He's more powerful then the Spectre "
No, he is not!! Far from it, and a big misconception!
The thing is that the spectre has a power check.
When he fought the AntiMonitor he wasn´t strong enought to defeat him but if he was allow to come back to the figth later, the presence would give him enought power to do win.
The Spectre receive his power directly from the presence.
The only two beens that would never ever ever lose against the Spectre, not even with the "come back" would be Micheal and Lucifer.
" The Spectre is one of the strongest one there is in the DC Universe.
The thing is that the spectre has a power check.
When he fought the AntiMonitor he wasn´t strong enought to defeat him but if he was allow to come back to the figth later, the presence would give him enought power to do win.
The Spectre receive his power directly from the presence.
The only two beens that would never ever ever lose against the Spectre, not even with the "come back" would be Micheal and Lucifer. "
" @Johnny_Nemesis: hahaha... but it´s true. look it up "haha, but your an idiot, try reading a comic ..the spectre has lost to numerous people
the spectre lost beacuse of the power check.
the presence in one point let the spectre at full power and without check.
that cost great problems in the univers.
so the presence bound the spectre to human form and check on his power.
when he fought Dr Fate, the spectre lost. then come back much stronger... and then face Nabu himself (the one that give dr fate his powers) and win
" great come back ... moron...Once again please read a comic, the Spectre has lost even when he was unbound, the Spectre isnt even in the top 10 most powerful beings in DCU..seriously kid read a comic or do some research before talking ok
the spectre lost beacuse of the power check.
the presence in one point let the spectre at full power and without check.
that cost great problems in the univers.
so the presence bound the spectre to human form and check on his power.
when he fought Dr Fate, the spectre lost. then come back much stronger... and then face Nabu himself (the one that give dr fate his powers) and win "
" great come back ... moron...
the spectre lost beacuse of the power check.
the presence in one point let the spectre at full power and without check.
that cost great problems in the univers.
so the presence bound the spectre to human form and check on his power.
when he fought Dr Fate, the spectre lost. then come back much stronger... and then face Nabu himself (the one that give dr fate his powers) and win "
Several problems. The Presence decided to banish the Spectre from the mortal plane for as long as Jesus walked the Earth, with the justification that both mercy and vengeance of God could not afford to walk the earth at once. Once Jesus died, the Spectre broke free and started wrecking havoc, but the real reason the Spectre has a host, is due to Michael orders (deriving directly from the Presence) no spirit was no longer allowed to roam the Earth without a body. Hence why both Spectre, and the former wrath of God, Eclipso, have used several hosts in the past.
The Spectre being unbound didn't cause any fault in the Universe, at all, unless you consider the Spectre's quest to destroy all magic during Day of Vengeance, something that caused an unbalance.
The Spectre has encountered Dr Fate a series of times, but has trashed him every single time, and two times he encountered Nabu, one of which was in Ancient Egypt, and the other during DoV, he completely dominated him, and Nabu admitted him his superior, so I am not sure as to what exactly you are talking about. If there is another occasion, please, enlighten me, but considering that I've read the complete Spectre volume 3, parts of volume 4, and pretty much any mini save the Infinite Crisis 3 parter, I doubt that is possible. That is everything the Spectre has appeared in, post COIE.
As for the Spectre being inferior only to the Presence, and the two Archangels. The Great Evil Beast, the Presence's opposite number is also above him, even at full power. There are others, as well, but it is not for this time.
" @Kael said:I haven't seen that. Of course he can lose even while unbound, but post COIE I haven't seen it happening." great come back ... moron...Once again please read a comic, the Spectre has lost even when he was unbound, the Spectre isnt even in the top 10 most powerful beings in DCU..seriously kid read a comic or do some research before talking ok "
the spectre lost beacuse of the power check.
the presence in one point let the spectre at full power and without check.
that cost great problems in the univers.
so the presence bound the spectre to human form and check on his power.
when he fought Dr Fate, the spectre lost. then come back much stronger... and then face Nabu himself (the one that give dr fate his powers) and win "
Thanks for the info.
I was talkin about DoV.
"The Great Evil Beast " I honestly never heard of it. I look it up.
Since you read every single one of the Spectre books and you also said that the spectre is below The Great Evil Beast, Presence, and the two Archangels.
Who would win in a fight... the spectre or the anti-monitor?
The Spectre was unbound for many years before Christ was born, so that certainly caused no unbalance. For example, it was Spectre who killed every Egyptian first born when the Farao did not gave his permission for the Hebrew to leave his land. DoV was a rare occasion where Eclipso seduced an already confused Spectre, but Nabu sacrificed himself in order for the Spectre to actually exceed his bounds to a degree where the Presence would notice." @Morpheus_:
Thanks for the info.
I was talkin about DoV.
"The Great Evil Beast " I honestly never heard of it. I look it up.
Since you read every single one of the Spectre books and you also said that the spectre is below The Great Evil Beast, Presence, and the two Archangels.
Who would win in a fight... the spectre or the anti-monitor? "
Spectre was not at his best form during COIE, and was also bonded to Jim Corrigan, but he was enhanced during the fight by several mystical beings in order to hold off AM for long enough. But, in a straight fight, I am inclined to believe that even an unbound Spectre would lose to COIE Anti-Monitor. The scope of his power is just too overwhelming to bear, but it wouldn't be such a bad fight to watch. Spectre against SCW Anti-Monitor, which was far from being at full form, would be a much better and more open ended fight, depending on the condition the Spectre is at.
" @The Mjolnir Wielder said:" @AtPhantom said:Well, no. ""Mxy<Spectre<Anti-Monitor. "Mxy >>> Spectre "
Do u think a fully-powered Spectre could decimate the entire multiverse?
" @AtPhantom said:Yes." @The Mjolnir Wielder said:Do u think a fully-powered Spectre could decimate the entire multiverse? "" @AtPhantom said:Well, no. ""Mxy<Spectre<Anti-Monitor. "Mxy >>> Spectre "
@Morpheus_ said:
" Isn't WF non canon? "Yes.
Spectre pwned 5D imps in the past.
" @The Mjolnir Wielder said:" @AtPhantom said:Yes." @The Mjolnir Wielder said:Do u think a fully-powered Spectre could decimate the entire multiverse? "" @AtPhantom said:Well, no. ""Mxy<Spectre<Anti-Monitor. "Mxy >>> Spectre "
@Morpheus_ said:" Isn't WF non canon? "Yes. Spectre pwned 5D imps in the past. "
Emperor Joker, who's on par with Mxy, rendered Spectre helpless in a birdcage with no apparent effort. I've also heard that Mxy easily defeated an unbound Spectre in the past, although I haven't seen it yet for myself.
" Emperor Joker, who's on par with Mxy, rendered Spectre helpless in a birdcage with no apparent effort. I've also heard that Mxy easily defeated an unbound Spectre in the past, although I haven't seen it yet for myself. "Because the Spectre wasn't fully powered. See the difference? Mxy never defeated an unbound Spectre in the past. Another 5D imp chained an unknown powered Spectre before, but the Spectre freed himself as soon as he was awaken.
"I think the only time I can remember off top when a 5D Imp got the best of The Spectre was during the Emperor Joker arc... and supposedly that wasnt even The Spectre at full power... "
Mxy has defeated him on multiple occasions, but Spectre wasn't stated as being fully-powered for any of them.
" @King Saturn said:yeah... but a few of those occasions werent even canon... and the others I cant recall anyways... hence why I said " the only time I can remember off top "..."I think the only time I can remember off top when a 5D Imp got the best of The Spectre was during the Emperor Joker arc... and supposedly that wasnt even The Spectre at full power... "Mxy has defeated him on multiple occasions, but Spectre wasn't stated as being fully-powered for any of them. "
" @King Saturn said:What occasions? I don't know any of them."I think the only time I can remember off top when a 5D Imp got the best of The Spectre was during the Emperor Joker arc... and supposedly that wasnt even The Spectre at full power... "Mxy has defeated him on multiple occasions, but Spectre wasn't stated as being fully-powered for any of them. "
" @The Mjolnir Wielder said:" Emperor Joker, who's on par with Mxy, rendered Spectre helpless in a birdcage with no apparent effort. I've also heard that Mxy easily defeated an unbound Spectre in the past, although I haven't seen it yet for myself. "Because the Spectre wasn't fully powered. See the difference? Mxy never defeated an unbound Spectre in the past. Another 5D imp chained an unknown powered Spectre before, but the Spectre freed himself as soon as he was awaken. "
You're referring to Qwsp, but he clearly isn't as formidable as Mxy.
" @AtPhantom said:He conquered their freaking dimension. Stop making stuff up." @The Mjolnir Wielder said:You're referring to Qwsp, but he clearly isn't as formidable as Mxy. "" Emperor Joker, who's on par with Mxy, rendered Spectre helpless in a birdcage with no apparent effort. I've also heard that Mxy easily defeated an unbound Spectre in the past, although I haven't seen it yet for myself. "Because the Spectre wasn't fully powered. See the difference? Mxy never defeated an unbound Spectre in the past. Another 5D imp chained an unknown powered Spectre before, but the Spectre freed himself as soon as he was awaken. "
" @The Mjolnir Wielder said:" @King Saturn said:What occasions? I don't know any of them. ""I think the only time I can remember off top when a 5D Imp got the best of The Spectre was during the Emperor Joker arc... and supposedly that wasnt even The Spectre at full power... "Mxy has defeated him on multiple occasions, but Spectre wasn't stated as being fully-powered for any of them. "
He's killed Spectre twice and has turned him into scattered cube-like pieces in the past.
" @The Mjolnir Wielder said:" @AtPhantom said:He conquered their freaking dimension. Stop making stuff up. "" @The Mjolnir Wielder said:You're referring to Qwsp, but he clearly isn't as formidable as Mxy. "" Emperor Joker, who's on par with Mxy, rendered Spectre helpless in a birdcage with no apparent effort. I've also heard that Mxy easily defeated an unbound Spectre in the past, although I haven't seen it yet for myself. "Because the Spectre wasn't fully powered. See the difference? Mxy never defeated an unbound Spectre in the past. Another 5D imp chained an unknown powered Spectre before, but the Spectre freed himself as soon as he was awaken. "
I vividly recall u saying that Qwsp is outclassed by the likes of Abraxas.
" @AtPhantom said:I've seen no such scans." @The Mjolnir Wielder said:He's killed Spectre twice and has turned him into scattered cube-like pieces in the past. "" @King Saturn said:What occasions? I don't know any of them. ""I think the only time I can remember off top when a 5D Imp got the best of The Spectre was during the Emperor Joker arc... and supposedly that wasnt even The Spectre at full power... "Mxy has defeated him on multiple occasions, but Spectre wasn't stated as being fully-powered for any of them. "
But I do know of Spectre overpowering 5D imps:
" @AtPhantom said:I consider Mxy outclassed by Abraxas as well. It's not a Qwsp thing, it's a5D imp thing." @The Mjolnir Wielder said:I vividly recall u saying that Qwsp is outclassed by the likes of Abraxas. "" @AtPhantom said:He conquered their freaking dimension. Stop making stuff up. "" @The Mjolnir Wielder said:You're referring to Qwsp, but he clearly isn't as formidable as Mxy. "" Emperor Joker, who's on par with Mxy, rendered Spectre helpless in a birdcage with no apparent effort. I've also heard that Mxy easily defeated an unbound Spectre in the past, although I haven't seen it yet for myself. "Because the Spectre wasn't fully powered. See the difference? Mxy never defeated an unbound Spectre in the past. Another 5D imp chained an unknown powered Spectre before, but the Spectre freed himself as soon as he was awaken. "
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