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#51  Edited By TifaLockhart

Most powerful? Hal.

As for who would win in a fight I don't know.

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If the League keeps getting wrecked by a villain and Superman comes in and saves the day and beats up the villain. I’d argue it’s Superman.

On Consistency: Superman

Off Statements: Martian Manhunter but could go to Superman

Off Feats: Hal but could also go to Superman (Did some impressive stuff under Morrison)

Off practical ability: The Flash but if Superman sun dipped there’s that.

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by feats: MHH

by showings: either flash or superman

overall: hal jordan

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@youk66: same he’s design is really cool.

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@marvelfan1992: Good question, I'll just copy and paste my response to @thehercules:

"Absolutely, no question.

TP is OP, no doubt about that. But as far as raw firepower goes? Hal has, on multiple occasions, defeated/overcame/severely wounded *universal* level threats.

And he's even got a couple instances where he went toe-to-toe with Multiversal enemies.

MMH just can't take a full blast from Hal. Nobody in the JL can."

So basically, Hal has consistently shown a raw power output above anyone here.

I can provide specific instances if you'd like. Like Hal one-shotting Amazo (who had all the powers of everyone else in this thread) causing him to flee, matching Parallax, and one-shotting Krona amped by the entire emotional spectrum (Ion being one of them, which is the entity that gives Hal his powers in the first place.)

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@jmarshmallow: So has superman, I’m talking about we’re u said Hal has dealt with many universal threats. I’m not sure what threats your talking about but post crisis from my memory had 10 universal feats.

The time he provided 1/5 of the energy required to recreate the universe

The time he broke multiple realities in he’s fight against pre-crisis superman infinite crisis

The time he fought Nebula-man in JLA:classified, nebula-man is a living universe, and is described a hypermass

All of final crisis, destroying reality blitzing, moving objects in the monitor realm

The time he fought the incarnation of the entire universes death at the end of time when time and space had destroyed everything but a single black hole

The time he fought the incarnation of he’s own death

The time he tanked the source wall exploding

The time he made a hole in soulfire Darkseid, soulfire = true form

The time he fought infinity man who is one of the strongest New Gods, even True form Darkseid wasn‘t as strong as him originally. Context so there is a group of vigilante New Gods called the forever people, they appeared in young justice if that rings any bells, when in doubt they combine into infinity man, in the ”Death of the New Gods” story Darkseid says that when they combine the end product is greater then the sum of products. So Darkseid went on a New God hunting spree absorbing power into he’s true form including infinity man which gave him power to rival the source, keep in mind the source gives power to the New Gods, Darkseid was essentially stealing it. TRUE FORM Orion with nothing absorbed just sheer will power had a true soulfire form that bashed he’s father and he fell on the multiverse causing final crisis.

The time he lifted the book of infinite pages in Final crisis, I seperated this from the other final crisis feats since I think this has been debunked, but I haven’t personally seen the debunk so I’ll just leave it here to see the explanation Below.

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@jmarshmallow: would love to see some scans if you have any on of them on hand :)

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Now the trash wanking begains

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#59  Edited By EcstaticGrace

@jmarshmallow said:

@marvelfan1992: Good question, I'll just copy and paste my response to @thehercules:

"Absolutely, no question.

TP is OP, no doubt about that. But as far as raw firepower goes? Hal has, on multiple occasions, defeated/overcame/severely wounded *universal* level threats.

And he's even got a couple instances where he went toe-to-toe with Multiversal enemies.

MMH just can't take a full blast from Hal. Nobody in the JL can."

So basically, Hal has consistently shown a raw power output above anyone here.

I can provide specific instances if you'd like. Like Hal one-shotting Amazo (who had all the powers of everyone else in this thread) causing him to flee, matching Parallax, and one-shotting Krona amped by the entire emotional spectrum (Ion being one of them, which is the entity that gives Hal his powers in the first place.)

Does Universal level threats equate to Universal Durability? How does blasting a hole or anything like that to a universal threat give you universal + fire power? Unless ofcourse the threat actually has universal level durability

By definition almost every threat the JL faces is atleast Universal. Given alot of their threats are stated to not being able to be stopped by anyone from the universe other than the JL.

Making characters like Darkseid, Doomsday, Imperiex, Brainiac, Prophecy (New addition who was stated as multiversal) ”universal threats” I wouldn’t say they have universal level durability though. Yet Darkseid in Darkseid Wars was stated to have been up against someone who absorbed Universes just to face him and N52 Superman was consistently suggested as a match for him throughout the New52 and only character to be a match for him looking at the League specifically.

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“One of the most powerful villains in the Universe” Heck you could actually make a case for Uxas having universal durability.

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Lmao at putting a hole in Amazo. The same story where Black Canary and Vixen did the same thing.

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Superman

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superman thats why he was the measuring stick for so long they all had there moments but consistently it's superman

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I’ll shed some light for you.

@jmarshmallow said:

@marvelfan1992: Good question, I'll just copy and paste my response to @thehercules:

"Absolutely, no question.

TP is OP, no doubt about that. But as far as raw firepower goes? Hal has, on multiple occasions, defeated/overcame/severely wounded *universal* level threats.

And he's even got a couple instances where he went toe-to-toe with Multiversal enemies.

MMH just can't take a full blast from Hal. Nobody in the JL can."

So basically, Hal has consistently shown a raw power output above anyone here.

I can provide specific instances if you'd like. Like Hal one-shotting Amazo (who had all the powers of everyone else in this thread) causing him to flee, matching Parallax, and one-shotting Krona amped by the entire emotional spectrum (Ion being one of them, which is the entity that gives Hal his powers in the first place.)

Does Universal level threats equate to Universal Durability? How does blasting a hole or anything like that to a universal threat give you universal + fire power? Unless ofcourse the threat actually has universal level durability

By definition almost every threat the JL faces is atleast Universal. Given alot of their threats are stated to not being able to be stopped by anyone from the universe other than the JL.

That’s due to the fact Superman‘s powers spike during every Crisis or before the start of each crisis.

For instance in the lead up to final crisis as I explained above Superman fought nebula-man in JLA:classified who was a sentient universe. After JLA: classified he appeared in Death of the New Gods and made a whole in soulfire Darkseid who was True Form Darkseid but he hadn’t increased in size yet and superman after witnessing soulfire Darkseid vs soulfire Orion considered himself a flee in both size and power. In Final Crisis the direct result of Death of The New Gods when Orion bashed Darkseid and he fell on the multiverse causing Final Crisis, Superman was destroying reality blitzing missiles that would exterminate the germ worlds which is what the monitors call the multiverse, since they are quite literally larger then the observable universe requiring boom tubes to entire the universe, he destroyed the reality blitzing missiles by colliding with them and he sustained no damage which is a feat for speed and durability. These happened chronologically one after the other.

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Making characters like Darkseid, Doomsday, Imperiex, Brainiac, Prophecy (New addition who was stated as multiversal) ”universal threats” I wouldn’t say they have universal level durability though. Yet Darkseid in Darkseid Wars was stated to have been up against someone who absorbed Universes just to face him and N52 Superman was consistently suggested as a match for him throughout the New52 and only character to be a match for him looking at the League.

“One of the most powerful villains in the Universe” Heck you could actually make a case for Uxas having universal durability.

Doomsday isn’t universal I agree but what you don’t know is that towards the end of post crisis superman became so strong Doomsday’s fist broke on Superman chest in there final encounter before convergence when the entire post crisis universe was destroyed, only Post cris superman he’s family survived and are currently in rebirth after new 52 superman died.

Imperiax was universal, you must have mistaken an imperiax probe for the real imperiax, imperiax is literally a fragment of the Big Bang in a containment suit not even kidding, superman didn’t kill him but reunited him with the rest of the Big Bang by going back in time and leaving him there.

Convergence Brainiac is universal, I’m not sure which brainiac you’re talking about new 52, post crisis and rebirth aren’t universal but convergence Brainiac was.

Prophecy don’t known him.

Darkseid is a solid multiversal threat, even in new 52 he is multiversal at full power, before he arrived at prime earth the new 52 earth he was on earth 2 fighting Alan Scott who was Ion and had the power of all 52 known earths, and he tanked them and eventually beat Alan Scott but was weakened, but in he’s weakness decided to invade the new 52 earth and was beaten and to make matters worse when he was healing Batman came in the hellbat and bashed him some more, so he’s encounter with the anti-monitor, the only assumption that can be made is that he was at full power like when he fought Alan Scott.

Post Crisis Superman isn’t always universal, but when a crisis comes he is certainly written that way.

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But Orion would be number one if he was on the list

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@mbatz: convergence Braniac is multiversal he was containing different eras of characters from different universes.

Id argue his New52 counterpart would of been a universal threat at the very least the one that required Superman and Martian Manhunter to push his ship

Prophecy was a villain that appeared early Rebirth. It took Supermen from different universes to beat him he looked like DC’s version of Dormammu lol

Superman fought the main Imperiex was my point. And Superman and Doomsday were tearing through probes that proved difficult for individual leaguers like Aquaman and Wonder Woman who wore special suits just to fight one.

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superman thats why he was the measuring stick for so long they all had there moments but consistently it's superman

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Superman is probably the most well rounded of them all.

There are a surprising number of people that rival his power though.

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@kirkseven: in terms of rivaling every one can give one way or another

It's overcoming him what makes one look impressive

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#69  Edited By Stormdriven

Honestly, most of the time it’s Superman because the writers and editors need the fight to last more than a page. Not that Clark isn’t insanely powerful, because he is, but what kind of stories would we have if one of the other guys being mentioned decides to just end the fight in ways we all know they can?

Flash has been stated capable of doing everyone else’s jobs by more than one writer. He’s so fast, fights or problems would be solved in a page if he consistently ran at his top speeds.

Martian Manhunter would just use telepathy to end a fight against 90% of the villains they face, in like one or two panels.

Hal has feats of beating Justice League+ level foes with one big shot. He does that every time, there’d be nothing left to clean up.

Clark makes for more interesting battles because of his morals and his powerset, given he doesn’t have that “one shot” type capability but is still balanced enough to show off immense strength and power anyway.

EDIT: ALSO, NO ONE ELSE COMMENT BECAUSE WE HAVE THE PERFECT AMOUNT OF POSTS

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#70  Edited By EcstaticGrace

@stormdriven said:

Honestly, most of the time it’s Superman because the writers and editors need the fight to last more than a page. Not that Clark isn’t insanely powerful, because he is, but what kind of stories would we have if one of the other guys being mentioned decides to just end the fight in ways we all know they can?

Flash has been stated capable of doing everyone else’s jobs by more than one writer. He’s so fast, fights or problems would be solved in a page if he consistently ran at his top speeds.

Martian Manhunter would just use telepathy to end a fight against 90% of the villains they face, in like one or two panels.

Hal has feats of beating Justice League+ level foes with one big shot. He does that every time, there’d be nothing left to clean up.

Clark makes for more interesting battles because of his morals and his powerset, given he doesn’t have that “one shot” type capability but is still balanced enough to show off immense strength and power anyway.

EDIT: ALSO, NO ONE ELSE COMMENT BECAUSE WE HAVE THE PERFECT AMOUNT OF POSTS

Clark doesn’t have oneshot capabilities?

He’s easily capable of doing an IMP given he’s FTL

He’s able to phase

His heatvision allows him to lobotomize people

Among other stuff his powers have shown and tech he has easy access to in his fortress

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#71  Edited By Stormdriven

@ecstaticgrace: Clark has never used phasing to one shot anybody, and has only ever accelerated near light speed for that type of impact once. As far as lobotomy, how many people is that going to work on? Regardless, it’s not even within his character to do something like that regularly, not like the abilities the other guys have where it’s literally just using an esoteric ability that takes no effort or deviation from character besides maybe Hal not holding back. What kind of Kryptonian tech allows him to one shot people?

ALSO, WE HAD 69 POSTS AND YOU RUINED IT

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#72  Edited By EcstaticGrace

@stormdriven said:

@ecstaticgrace: Clark has never used phasing to one shot anybody, and has only ever accelerated near light speed for that type of impact once. As far as lobotomy, how many people is that going to work on? Regardless, it’s not even within his character to do something like that regularly, not like the abilities the other guys have where it’s literally just using an esoteric ability that takes no effort or deviation from character besides maybe Hal not holding back. What kind of Kryptonian tech allows him to one shot people?

ALSO, WE HAD 69 POSTS AND YOU RUINED IT

You stated he doesn’t have oneshot abilities I was stating that’s false, frequency of use of his abilities that he’s shown to have is irrelevant if those abilities still exist for the character

his power set allows him to oneshot a various amount of characters was my point.

Not every character has immunity to molecular level frost breath, heat vision that could warm the whole planet or lobotomize people. Or counters for if he decided to phase which he’s shown the ability to do so.

The Phantom Zone projector is easy BFR that a lot of characters might not have a counter to. Which admittedly unless you count the Eradicator or The various animals in his fortress which might not obey him apart of his lethalness I’m stumped on the tech part of my post

what’s special about 69?

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In-character: Superman.

Bloodlusted: Wally or MMH.

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Superman bloodlusted or not

They literally can’t kill him, he fought the embodiment of he’s own death and won, he also fought the embodiment of the universes death at the end of time when only one black hole existed and time and space was eroding, so he attached either side of the space-time to the black hole to stretch the universe, that’s how messed up Post crisis Supes is. He literally got decaptitated and he just puts he’s head back

This supes has more abilities then we know he is also a telepath but not a notable one unless you put post crisis brainiacs telepathy above Martian manhunters

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Wally frickin West

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@youk66: Don’t think CV is for you. You should consider cliff jumping if you’re looking into hobbies

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@ecstaticgrace said:

@youk66: Don’t think CV is for you. You should consider cliff jumping if you’re looking into hobbies

LMAO a bit harsh, eh?

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J'onn jobs too much. Wally.

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@ecstaticgrace: Let's Cav then you Mera

me Trigon

:)

Am I suppose to know you? When did I ever suggest Mera beats Trigon...

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