Round 1 Current Moro vs Top kelfa
Round 2 Current Moro vs Canon Movie Lssj Broly
Round 3 Current Moro vs Kelfa and Broly
Who wins each round?
Round 2 goes to Broly
Round 3 goes to the team
UI beat Kefla, I wouldn’t say he hurt her though, she was just bfr’d
SSJ Broly was merking Goku and Vegeta, was overpowering Gogeta, and SSJ Gogeta, then SSB Gogeta was the end of LSSJ Broly.
Moro isn’t beating Broly, UI Goku<<<<SSJ Gogeta<SSB Gogeta
@kingxix: Goku and Vegeta are WAY stronger now when they fought Broly, and Broly didn't even handle them or Frieza that easily. Current SSB Goku can probably beat SSJ Broly based on how Goku handled Saganbo. And no way is Broly faster, considering Moro can keep up with current UIO Goku who was moving too fast to see for everyone except for Jaco. Moro can dance around Broly like Gogeta did and outpace Broly's adaptation with his energy absorption. Hell, Broly hasn't even proven he can turn SSJ at will.
The last thing Broly would want to do is prolonge the fight against Moro. And so what if Moro had to devour planets to get to this level... he’s at this level and that’s all that matters.
Current Moro as it stands is more powerful than UIO who could replicate the same feat as Broly. All Moro has to do is keep draining Broly of his energy until surpasses him in power.
@jack_hart: nope ssb goku isn't beating ssj broly. Only UIO goku can probably go toe to toe with ssj broly and injure him.
And do you really believe that broly hasn't got an zenkai boost after his near death battle with gogeta?!
I am sure that current broly should be way stronger than the movie version.
SSJ Gogeta is above UI Goku
Sign isn’t impressive, in the manga it did close to nothing to Jiren, it’s MUI that took out Jiren in the manga, Jiren didn’t go LB either in manga though.
SSJ Gogeta is above Sign.
SSJ Broly forced Gogeta into Blue, and like wise Blue forced Broly into LSSJ
Moro better absorb energy fast cause as it stand he’s fighting someone stronger, faster and more durable then himself, he will get the Frieza treatment at the start, the question is can he hold out long enough
@funeralmen: You got your order of events wrong. Broly went LSSJ, then Gogeta went Blue. And the current Sign is way better than even ToP UI was. It's not like Jiren did anything against ToP Sign either. IMO current SSB Goku = SSJ Broly based on how strong Saganbo was and how easily SSB Goku handled him.
Oh go it wrong Soz
To GioJoestar, regardless of the terms of events LSSJ, FPSSJ, Ikari SSJ whatever, it’s above UI Goku by a good margin
To Jack_Hart, that’s wrong, in the manga Jiren beat UI Goku and beat MUI Goku, at first they fought evenly the entire time until Jiren punched the MUI out of Goku, but he was significanly injured, then the z team banged up on him, so in manga Jiren is above MUI Goku without LB.
SSB Goku doesn’t equal SSJ Broly, when power levels where still a thing the consistent increase it gave was around x30, regardless the Ikari Broly was fighting evenly with Goku thats why when he went SSB Goku didn’t dare fight him since he thought he’d killed his dad, he got a zenkai, super saiyan and a rage amp like my Bulma from losing a loved one, and later went LSSB and unlike the ToP killing wasn’t allowed in manga nevermind Jiren is above MUI.
I personally don’t think Broly is above Jiren but I think they are relative, as such even MUI Goku would be an issue but not UI, he’d get stomped ridiculously and More would get the Frieza treatment.
@huko: Lord Huko
I think it’s important to understand in the manga Jiren punched the MUI out of Goku after fighting evenly with him for a long time, he didn’t outlast MUI, he punched the MUI out of him.
Broly is relative to Jiren, I’m not saying stronger or weaker as statements are ambiguous but let that sink in.
We already have reason to believe SSJ Gogeta Is far above UI Goku, LSSJ Broly forced Gogeta into Blue and fought evenly for a while.
UI Goku<<Moro<<MUI Goku<<Jiren
Don’t be intimidated by the holding it’s just so people don’t look at my scaling and say what the hell is he talking about, I just saw you were wondering what I was saying in post 9, then I realised someone thought MUI Goku is above Jiren in manga so that’s my explanation for part 2 and 3 and why Moro loses unles he absorbs fast enough, and Broly is faster then UI
@funeralmen: Jiren did squat to ToP Sign in the manga; most of his attacks got dodged and the two that did land got tanked. Jiren then goes all out and in response Goku uses ToP UI. Goku completely dominates Jiren until Jiren begins to adapt out of sheer determination, then Goku's ability to hold UI gives out (it was a new form he was inexperienced with) before Jiren's stamina does. So Jiren at full power had to struggle greatly just to match and outlast an imperfect ToP UI Goku. Fast forward to the Moro arc. Right off the bat current Sign Goku even while suppressed was moving so fast no one can see him move except for Jaco, Moro, and the angels. ToP UI Goku and Jiren never even reached that level of speed until the peak of their battle.
Current SSB Goku is on SSJ Broly's level IMO. After the fight with Broly Goku came out stronger than ever, and the training with Merus made him even WAY stronger. Saganbo was easily overpowering the combined might of Gohan, Piccolo, and the androids; Gohan and Piccolo were so much stronger than their ToP selves (Gohan fought Kefla to a draw) that Goku barely recognized them and 17 was already Blue tier at the ToP. Saganbo then gets stomped by Goku's SSB and Sign forms, despite Saganbo getting more power ups from Moro. Moro casually blocks an attack from SSB Goku without looking and has no problem keeping up with Sign Goku, and this is with just physical stats.
SSJ Broly's dominance over Goku and Vegeta was a bit exaggerated. SSB Goku could swat away his blasts with difficulty, he and SSB Vegeta weren't even doing that badly in CQC and were only driven back because SSJ Broly started to spam blasts, and the pair managed to outmaneuver him. SSJ Broly also couldn't kill Golden Frieza despite beating him up for an hour, couldn't even KO him or beat him back to base form; Frieza wasn't even killed or KO'd despite getting beat up on while in base form for a while before he transformed to Golden form.
People need to realize the power gap between the anime and manga.
While Moro is a beast, the anime shows the saiyans in another league of power.
The split is from the Black Arc.
The Black Arc displays Goku and Vegeta on their trip able to contend with Black. Yet in the anime it takes a ssj2 Goku to keep up with base Black, with SSR Black slapping around them in SSB. Later they return stronger than Black, a result of more training and power amps, which has to put their base powers at a SSJ2 rank. We also know that SSJ2 Goku is on par with Black and its not just Goku holding back as the anime displays Trunks unable to beat Black, and Trunks was relative to Goku, both able to use SSJ2.
This amp is later confirmed by how Base Vegeta can slap around Ribrianne, whom of which SSJ Cabba struggled with, yet just prior to the Black Arc was claimed by Vegeta himself to be equals in a base-to-base power. We also see that SSB Goku was able to much more easier defeat a stronger and kill capable Hit, while before the Black Arc we saw Goku have to go full kaioken x10 against a likely weaker Hit who was limited. We even further see SSG Goku managing better against Despo than Hit did, though this could be a nod more towards the fighting styles used against Despo, it still takes a certain power level to manage a foe, of which SSG did just fine.
We also know that Trunks in the manga is capable of matching ssj3 manga Goku. Though we don't know if this is due to Trunks being stronger, or Goku being weaker than the anime counterparts.
This massive amp does not happen in the manga.
SSJ2 is a 1,000x base boost. This is massive!
With official guides showing that Grade 1 SSJ is 50x base, that Grade 2 is stronger, and that Grade 3 is 10x greater, we have no clue if this is 10x Grade 1 or 2, and just by assuming the lower we have Ultra/Grade 3 SSJ being a 500x base boost, we also are told that Master SSJ/Grade 4 has power greater than Grade 3, but we also don't know by how much, of which we continue to assume the minimum and just say its equal. After all this lower assumin we have Grade 4 SSJ1 being a 500x base, with SSJ2 being double it, resulting in the 1,000x base boost.
Goku and Vegeta also get notably more powerful in the Tournament of Powers anime, compared to the Manga.
Broly is able to keep up with SSG Goku by the time of the Broly movie with just his natural saiyan enhanced power.
Moro is deadly due to how he prevents powerful forms from being used due to how he just drains you out of it. Broly is strong as hell in his non super forms, and should be able to manage this on his own.
The key point for this is just how the anime and manga tell their arcs. With the anime showing characters to be far more powerful. Manga Jiren is nothing compared to his anime counterpart.
Even Kefla can do alot here if we are using the anime verison, as we have seen her base able to outmatch a SSG Goku by the time of the ToP.
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