Moro vs Juubi Madara (Stats equal)

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#1  Edited By Animeisniche_ok  Online

Who wins?

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#2  Edited By Kingxix

Oh don't do it.

But which Moro is it

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@kingxix: idk. Maybe the weakest and oldest version of Moro? Let's say round 1 is the weakest and oldest and round 2 current Moro.

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@animeisniche_ok: Hum then;

If Moro plays smart then he will win otherwise 1st round goes to madara.

In 2nd round Moro god stomps

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Madara both rounds, limbo is a huge problem

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#6  Edited By Kingxix

@cyberblades22: which 7-3 Moro will gain after he copies madara's abilities.

And anyways Moro will simply use spirit fission to split madara and juubi which will kill madara as the tailed beast is extracted.

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#7  Edited By Animeisniche_ok  Online

@kingxix: couldnt Moro just drain the energy of a planet and make that energy explode? I doubt Madara could survive that.

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@kingxix said:

@animeisniche_ok: Hum then;

If Moro plays smart then he will win otherwise 1st round goes to madara.

In 2nd round Moro god stomps

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#11  Edited By CyberBlades22

@kingxix: 5 Limbos prevents him from touching Madara and Madara can limbo swap, form TSB shield to erase Moro upon contact, can make susanoo to protect him or use almighty push to push him away. Also genjutsu him.

Madara can cast genjutsu on him or use IT which is faster then spirit fission and can also use his 5 Limbos, which should also be faster then spirit fission since it takes time and they would down Moro before that happens, and the ten tails is sealed via a sealing jutsu (ten tails coffin seal) so Moro needs to be able to bypass that sealing jutsu to extract it from him. Also Madara can use Izanagi so that never happens in the first place, then spawn behind him and stab him through the head with a TSB.

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Current Moro stomps, old Moro is debatable, Madara has enough tools to win but question is can he put Moro down fast enough before him and the planet gets drained.

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@cyberblades22: You speak as if Moro will sit still and let him attack. Moro can sense being far away from galaxies. So I am sure limbo clones will easily be sensed by him.

People like ssj2 vegeta resisted mental manipulation so trying to manipulate Moro is useless.

Moro himself can use Illusions effortlessly.

He has tk and tp along with regeneration. He can create barriars to stop all of madara's attack. And once he gets his hand on madara or his clone he gets all of madara's abilities.

So get prepared for TSB and limbo clones with susanoo from Moro.

He can also passively drain energy from the planet and madara which will just weaken madara to the extreme and then we have spirit fission with which he will separate ten tails from him.

Moro is the worst nightmare for people like madara or ootsutsukis

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#14  Edited By Animeisniche_ok  Online

@kingxix: isn't limbo just a Form of energy? Because Goku's ki was threatening to destroy the afterife and both (afterlife and limbos) are in different dimensions. I know I know... He lacks the feat for it, but it should possible for Moro to drain the energy of Limbos.

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@animeisniche_ok: Yes and he can even copy all of madara's abilities from the clones too, after all they are clones of madara.

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#16  Edited By CyberBlades22

@kingxix: Naruto could sense everyone from countries and continents away in 4th ninja war, could sense emotions of people even if they were invisible or hidden or not even human, and already had good sensing abilities on top of that, and yet he couldn't sense limbo (pre six paths). Limbo exist in a different invisible dimension and can only be sensed by those that possess six paths senjutsu. So no Moro won't be able to sense them if no one in the war (pre six paths senjutsu) Naruto could sense them, or they're emotions despite the battlefield having dozens of top tier sensors with different sensing abilitites. Even Sasuke who could feel Naruto's presence from another dimension couldn't sense limbo (only see them with his left eye rinnegan, his EMS that can see invisible people couldn't even see it). Also Madara would use limbo and or genjutsu/ IT before Moro can attack him and has done so before.

Vegeta isn't Moro (and both have different will powers), and that mental manipulation that Vegeta resisted isn't even comparable to top tier genjutsus in Naruto also the means of breaking genjutsus isn't with raw strength or will power so no he's not resisting it (especially due to equal stats here). Also Madara's TP moves attack a person in a different way then Babidi since he can put you in genjutsu without you realizing it can make Moro see himself winning in the genjutsu when in reality he's just in a illusion that Madara has complete control over, so there's that too.

Which are nowhere near on the level of Madara's since he can effortlessly put the entire planet with TP masters and TP resistant people in a genjutsu without them even realizing and thinking they're in a genjutsu. Madara's TP resistance also far higher then whatever illusions Moro can dish out.

So does Madara, and he has better regeneration and TP then Moro. So can Madara with TSB's shaped in omnidirectional barriers, PS (shield himself from all angles), his gunbai defensive jutsus, and his large scale barrier jutsus. Moro can't interact with limbo without six paths chakra (he wouldn't even know they're there) while the limbo can still harm you, which is the reason they're so hax and Madara can swap himself with a limbo any time he wants when he's in danger (assuming Moro can somehow bypass all his defensive jutsus and somehow dodge all his limbos without knowing they're there). Also engaging a TSB user in CQC without any resistance or counter to them will result in Moro getting erased upoun contact by any of Madara's 10 TSB's (assuming he bypasses limbo and all his other defenses to begin with).

Not going to happen since Moro would die or at the very least be severely and permanently injured if he tries to engage Madara in CQC with his TSB's and limbo right there beside him, assuming he can bypass all of Madara's defenses and somehow goes noticed by Madara's visual prowess and sage precognition abilities, along with 5 other invisible Madara's that can also see and sense Moro from any of Madara's blind spots.

Which takes time, and Madara is a senjutsu user and has the juubi and thus haspowers to continuously absorb nature energy from the planet to power up, also it's a horrible idea to try and drain Madara since he's got a bunch of senjutsu and nature energy in him which requires you balance the energy in your system, other wise you get turned into a statue from that energy, a master energy absorbption user (Preta Path Pain) tried absorbing nature energy and got transformed into a statue despite him having chakra (which Moro lacks here to balance out all the nature energy and would get turned into a statue if he tries). Spirit fission takes time and can only performed by either Moro pointing his hands towards Madara (would get a flying TSB at him or limbo pummeling him) or engaging him in CQC by physically touching him to drain him (which again is not the best of choices for Moro as mentioned above this paragraph).

For some yeah, but not really for Madara since he has way more hax here and that hax would be enough for him to win here.

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Oh god someone wrote an entire essay which is useless as people weaker than Moro can sense ki from different dimension. Like how buu sensed gohan's ki who was on the supreme Kai's planet which is in a higher spiritual dimension.

As all the bullshit of senjutsu would not matter as Moro absorbs energy from entire planets which are natural energy similar to senjutsu. He can effortlessly use them as he is a alien species. Show me a scan where any alien species is being affected by senjutsu.

So no Moro can easily sense the fodder clonens with effort. Moro can easily catch his clone and copie all his abilities and master them there and proceeds to murder stomp him.

All the bullshit you spout about six paths chakra makes no sense.

Oh and what happened between guy was madara. He beat the shit out of madara and broke his TSB shield. All the bullshit you speak is pretty useless

Oh and Moro also has IT. He will just teleport behind madara and catch him by his neck and copy his abilities.

And Moro can read minds and thoughts of people.

Moro can also create portals with which he can bfr madara

He also has invisibility.

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Moro godstomps.

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#19  Edited By Animeisniche_ok  Online

@kingxix:

Moro absorbs life and nature energy (senjutsu is just natural energy).

Moro is a skilled manipulator and with enough power, he could paralyze madaras limbos. (theoretically)

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Moro Drains Him then stomps him...the only way this is fair is if we Restrict Moro's abilities to Drain energy otherwise he will always have the advantage no matter what.

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@animeisniche_ok: On top of that he is an alien life form. Si why should we believe that senjutsu would even effect Moro at all. I don't see any ootsutsuki getting affected by senjutsu.

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#22  Edited By CyberBlades22

@kingxix: Sasuke could also sense from different dimensions (he sensed Naruto from Kaguya's dimension) and yet he couldn't sense limbo, he could only see it with his rinnegan and again no one else with all their sensory and perception abilities could sense or see limbo. Without six paths senjutsu he can't sense limbos.

Natural energy in Naruto works different then natural energy in DBS, so that argument doesn't work here. Why would him being a alien change anything here, prove him being a alien somehow gives him Resistance to unbalanced senjutsu energy/ natural energy turning him into stone. Show me a scan of Moro resisting a foreign natural energy with petrification properties turning him into stone.

No he can't sense limbo, Sasuke who had dimensional sensing couldn't sense it either (he could only see it) nor could anyone else in the 4th shinobi war with all of their abilities (sensory powers, emotion sensing, byakugan, sharingan etc).

Sasuke sensing Naruto from another dimension
Sasuke sensing Naruto from another dimension

Also how would Moro even know they are their without getting hit by limbo first. How are they fodder? Every limbo shadow has strength equal to Madara with his abilities. How's Moro going to catch a clone that he can't harm or interact with without six paths power, again the limbos can only be harmed by six paths chakra and have the ability to harm you while you can't harm them and your attacks can even pass through them if they choose (like Sasuke's sword).

How is that BS. Read the manga again, you need six paths powers to interact with limbo and harm them, why do you think Sasuke's sword passed through it while six paths attacks damaged it with Sasuke literally outright saying that only six paths attacks work on the limbo.

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These scans pretty much sum up what I just said about six paths chakra

Guy couldn't directly touch Madara without help from Minato's FTG, Kakashi's kamui, Gaara, and Lee. Guy only laucnhed air pressure that pushed Madara back before that. Also when shattered that TSB barrier it wasn't from him touching the barrier (Minato made it clear that any point of a person that makes contact with the TSB disappear), Guy only broke it through getting through the opening in the shield made by Kakashi and then punching Madara against the shield (Madara can touch/ damage the TSB so Guy punching him against it broke it, if Moro can replicate this feat then sure he can break the shield but he needs someway to create a opening and needs someone to get rid of the TSB's being launched at him also limbo is still a problem). After that Madara just toyed around him and only had his staff and didn't make any attempt to attack back against Guy, only defend and try tanking his attacks. I don't get how everything Madara has is useless, he can just use IT or genjutsu from the start of the fight and win.

Only if he touches Madara's neck without getting hit by TSB's and limbos, before that he doesn't and IT is useless against Madara since he's completely immune to the genjutsu. Madara can react to teleportation, he's done so against Minato and Tobirama before with his precog and used TSB or chakra rods which he'll use here and limbo is also here.

That's really useful, but Madara with sharingan genjutsu can also make a person give him intel by telling him everything, and 2 other mind reading abiliites that result in death of the opponent (tho only one of them (human path) is useful in combat).

Madara should be able to react to portal BFR attempts (similar to SPSM Naruto) and can swap with his limbos in an instant if he feels he's in danger.

All of Madara's visual dojutsus can see invisible people or things. Sharingan even in basic stages can see invisible jutsu using people), rinnegan can see invisible barriers and invisible animals and invisible beings that exist in another dimension, and Madara also really good sensory powers and can fight whilst blind and can sense invisible people that exist in another dimension. Madara has the rinnesharingan that has both the rinnegan and sharingans basic abilities so he shouldn't really have a problem seeing Moro and all limbos are there.

I'm not saying Moro can't win, just that I see Madara winning more times then not. I can see Moro in round 2 possibly winning if Madara decides to drag out a battle and let his guard down by being arrogant, but if he uses IT/ genjutsu or limbo or TSB's right away then I see him winning and I honestly think Madara would do this since he used all of these in an attempt to quickly end fights as soon as they start.

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Moron solos the verse

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#24  Edited By Nondre

Stats equal as in power level but each keep their own arsenal of hax?

Madara absolutely shitstomps.

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@nondre: Madaras haxs becomes moros and Moro proceeds to lolshitstomp Madara

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Thing solos

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@nondre: Madaras haxs becomes moros and Moro proceeds to lolshitstomp Madara all while the real Madara is laughing watching the genjutsu trapped goon about to by executed by a limbo clone

FTFY

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#28  Edited By BlackWizzard17

@nondre said:
@blackwizzard17 said:

@nondre: Madaras haxs becomes moros and Moro proceeds to lolshitstomp Madara all while the real Madara is laughing watching the genjutsu trapped goon about to by executed by a limbo clone

Then Madara realizes he's getting weaker and weaker only to figure out he's been in genjustu this whole time while getting fisted to death

You made a slight error so I corrected it, you're welcome :)

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@nondre said:
@blackwizzard17 said:

@nondre: Madaras haxs becomes moros and Moro proceeds to lolshitstomp Madara all while the real Madara is laughing watching the genjutsu trapped goon about to by executed by a limbo clone

Then Madara realizes he's getting weaker and weaker only to figure out he's been in genjustu this whole time while getting fisted to death

You made a slight error so I corrected it, you're welcome :)

Primo cringe randomly shoving homoeroticism into the topic but anyways Moro has no means of getting to Madara before hes been stomped.

1. He's a sensory type with six paths sage mode so it will allow him to sense Chakra being drained and he'll simply go all out and genjutsu him.

2. If Moro tries to blitz and copy his powers he'd fail hard, He has to get through 4 different invisible Madara's all as strong as Moro himself here just to touch the real Madara and can be frozen in place by the real Madara as well thanks to limbo and the physical stats being equalized. Multiple truth seeking balls will be shot at him which will be GG if even one hits him and Madara can also seal himself inside a TSB barrier making Moro trying to copy him a death sentence.

3. Infinite Tsukuyomi = fat GG

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#31  Edited By BlackWizzard17

@nondre:

1. Moro has drained entire planets, madara sensing doesn't do crap, hes gonna get drained regardless. He's powerless to passive draining, moro does this unlike madara who doesn't use genjutsu. Even so madara will be too weak to maintain genjutsu (if it could work) and too weak to do damage.

2.moro can drain limbo clones gg. Madara has no counter to infinite IT spam as he gets drained. He will grab his neck and take his abilities or with one hit, will remove the external power madara had gotten from any source not his. Moro has complete control over this battle

3. IT= Fat L to Madara

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Equal stats is dumb

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@nondre:

1. Moro has drained entire planets, madara sensing doesn't do crap, hes gonna get drained regardless.

And that doesn't mean squat unfortunately, Madara just scales up here.

He's powerless to passive draining, moro does this unlike madara who doesn't use genjutsu.

Also Moro's drain is explicitly much slower if he's being focused on, At least try not to speed read Dragon Ball if you're going to try and wank it.

Even so madara will be too weak to maintain genjutsu (if it could work) and weak too weak to do damage.

Chunin that are millions to possibly hundreds of millions of times weaker than Madara can maintain a Genjutsu. Madara would have no trouble casting one even if he was on death's doorstep.

2.moro can drain limbo clones gg

Proof that Moro can sense those limbo clones that you think he'll drain? Even if Chakra was equated to Ki he still wouldn't be able to see or sense it you know?

infinite IT spam

OMEGALUL

He will grab his neck and take his abilities or with one hit

Proof that Moro can get through the limbo clones he can't see or sense or have knowledge that the TSB barrier would kill him on impact in the event that he tried to grab Madara?

3. IT= Fat L to Madara

Good thing Moro can't use that because he'd be long dead before gaining it. Madara however.... GG

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Madara stomps round 1

and moros wins round 2 in a hard fight

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@nondre: And thwt means squat as moro drains him passively.

Lmao slower what are you smoking share some with us too. Goku was using ui omen whose speed is MFTL+++ so that is why he was able to dodge before moro's technique even started.

We have people far weaker than moro resisting mental manipulation.

Who said he can't sense them? He drains them passively with his magic.

Hoe will TSB kill him? Don't make shit up. He will just eat the TSB.

Madara wouldn't even know who killed him

Moro goatstomps the fodder even when stats eqalised.

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@nondre said:
@blackwizzard17 said:

@nondre:

1. Moro has drained entire planets, madara sensing doesn't do crap, hes gonna get drained regardless.

And that doesn't mean squat unfortunately, Madara just scales up here.

It really does, he was weaker than goku and vegeta and still drained them, madara and his foddara clones are gonna get drained easily.

He's powerless to passive draining, moro does this unlike madara who doesn't use genjutsu.

Also Moro's drain is explicitly much slower if he's being focused on, At least try not to speed read Dragon Ball if you're going to try and wank it.

He has passive drain along with many other abilities, madara isn't gonna genjustu Gg so try not to wank that.

Even so madara will be too weak to maintain genjutsu (if it could work) and weak too weak to do damage.

Chunin that are millions to possibly hundreds of millions of times weaker than Madara can maintain a Genjutsu. Madara would have no trouble casting one even if he was on death's doorstep.

Moro is a master at energy manipulation, genjistu (if it could even work on him) would be of no use to Madara.

2.moro can drain limbo clones gg

Proof that Moro can sense those limbo clones that you think he'll drain? Even if Chakra was equated to Ki he still wouldn't be able to see or sense it you know?

limbo clones can be sensed as proof by naruto. Moro again has sensed beings across an entire universe in a weakened state.

infinite IT spam

OMEGALUL

Instant transmission

He will grab his neck and take his abilities or with one hit

Proof that Moro can get through the limbo clones he can't see or sense or have knowledge that the TSB barrier would kill him on impact in the event that he tried to grab Madara?

Instant transmission, grabs his neck and its gg

he eats TSB orb

he eats all Chakra madara uses

3. IT= Fat L to Madara

Good thing Moro can't use that because he'd be long dead before gaining it. Madara however.... GG

Madara is trashed and so is the combined naruto verse trying to face moro here even with stats equal.

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@nondre: And thwt means squat as moro drains him passively.

Sure but he just gets genjutsu'd immediately due to that.

Lmao slower what are you smoking share some with us too. Goku was using ui omen whose speed is MFTL+++ so that is why he was able to dodge before moro's technique even started.

They were getting drained faster when they weren't focused on fighting Moro, Read the manga.

We have people far weaker than moro resisting mental manipulation.

No TP resistance feats in Dragonball comes close to Narutoverse genjutsu, Especially Rinnegan genjutsu which a basic unamed one can subdue all nine Bijuu at once.

Who said he can't sense them? He drains them passively with his magic.

If he can't sense them then Moro is fucked because he also can't stop them, He likely can't drain them either as they only reside another plane of existence. Only six paths senjutsu was shown to be able to interact with and restrain them which Moro obviously can't afford to do with 4 entire other guys as strong as him coming at him and no sixth paths senjutsu himself.

Hoe will TSB kill him? Don't make shit up. He will just eat the TSB.

TSB can't be consumed, It outright nullifies anything that it touches except space time ninjutsu (AKA teleportation in DB terms) due to the fact that said abilities don't necessarily touch it. If it could be simply absorbed Rinnegan Sasuke or Good guy Obito would have literally just absorbed the shit from the start lmao. TSB also negs immortality so Moro dies an embarrassing death if he tries to do this.

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@nondre:

Which moro resists anyways

You read the manga that is his passive skill. I am talking about you saying that his absorption is slow which is false as it was ui omen goku who outspeed moro's absorption so you are wrong again.

Again wrong, babadi could easily control beings like dabura who are casual star busters and vegeta resisted his tp. And moro here is way beyond dbz vegeta. So he will easily resist genjutsu.

And lmao rinnegan genjutsu only belongs to sasuke and madara has not shown any feats of genjutsu with rinnegan.

Lmao you are comparing two universe which jas different set of power. Moro commands the very planet's energy whenever he want whereas six paths user need to absorb senjutsu slowly. And he will sense them anways.

Again wrong TSB might work thst way in nsrutoverse but we can't say that it will effect a alien god who can drain planets with a wave of his hand. TSB is getting drained or absorbed.

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Moro solos the whole verse in a stats equal fight

Huge.missmatch.