Mori Jin (The God of Highschool) vs Hades (Saint Seiya)

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Inevitable. Both at their strongest. Who wins?

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Hades

Hmm

Hades stomp as usual (if you want to compare jin mori with SS character make him challenge a bronze/gold saint) like

Shaka (buddha) vs jin mori (monkey king) lol

@Estrelladeleon

(So Nirvana Mori.

Soo. Jin is faster, has better physical strenght, can counter his death manipulation by basically being immortal...

And ridiculously outhaxes Hades? Yes, he does that.

Jin low diffs.

Also why mention Shaka, brother fr gets killed by Daewi smh.)

> you know that you could just tag me

> jin being faster is pure wank, and i know jin have a better physical strength than hades but you are aware that hades can drain people physical stats and also remove the 6th sense and hades death hax can actually kill people who are still bound by the concept of life/death which jin is bound to (unless he has a broken 8th sense ability) that i am not aware of (he is still gonna die) immortality or not

> he doesn't out hax hades, in fact hades has more hax than goh verse and it ain't even close

> jin get low diff

> daewi is out haxed and so is the verse cause shaka would just blitz and use tenbu horin and i only mention shaka vs jin cause it would look like a mythology battle since shaka is some how like the reincarnation of Buddha while jin is reincarnation of sun with Kong

> Shaka is more than enough to solo the verse while hades would just blink them out of existence

Not sure

Not sure but Mori can surely beat any gold saint.

@david33: technically you didn't tag him either lol

Now you are just pushing it, just when DB couldn't handle TGOHS hype now SS has to deal with it. Anyways, Mori becomes a vegetable the moment the fight starts.

Now you are just pushing it, just when DB couldn't handle TGOHS hype now SS has to deal with it. Anyways, Mori becomes a vegetable the moment the fight starts.

Gah damn 😭

Now you are just pushing it, just when DB couldn't handle TGOHS hype now SS has to deal with it. Anyways, Mori becomes a vegetable the moment the fight starts.

So Hades blitzes Mori? Wdym by the last part

@johncenation7 said:

Now you are just pushing it, just when DB couldn't handle TGOHS hype now SS has to deal with it. Anyways, Mori becomes a vegetable the moment the fight starts.

So Hades blitzes Mori? Wdym by the last part

Passive Abilities

Death Manipulation(His presence can kill those around him),Attack Reflection(Any attack without Divine Cosmos thrown at Hades has its potency reverted to the attacker),Aura,Perception Manipulation,Sense Manipulation,Mind Manipulation,Paralysis Inducement,Life Manipulation,Statistics ReductionandHeat Manipulation(By being in the presence of a God. The six senses are rendered unusable and denied.The Gods radiate a divine aurathat causes fear in the surrounding beings and forces them to obey their commands.The power that radiates from the Gods also causes the affected targets to be paralyzed. Their life force then starts to drain,and they then have their strength, speed, and durability reducedby being near a Gods Cosmo.Powering up their Cosmo causes the heat in the area around them to increase drastically, along with their attacks being imbued with intense heat)

Anyways, Mori becomes a vegetable the moment the fight starts.

He doesn't, because in reality, Hades doesn't have that ability in canon.

Death Manipulation(His presence can kill those around him),Attack Reflection(Any attack without Divine Cosmos thrown at Hades has its potency reverted to the attacker),Aura,Perception Manipulation,Sense Manipulation,Mind Manipulation,Paralysis Inducement,Life Manipulation,Statistics ReductionandHeat Manipulation(By being in the presence of a God. The six senses are rendered unusable and denied.The Gods radiate a divine aurathat causes fear in the surrounding beings and forces them to obey their commands.The power that radiates from the Gods also causes the affected targets to be paralyzed. Their life force then starts to drain,and they then have their strength, speed, and durability reducedby being near a Gods Cosmo.Powering up their Cosmo causes the heat in the area around them to increase drastically, along with their attacks being imbued with intense heat)

Death Manipulation(His presence can kill those around him),Attack Reflection(Any attack without Divine Cosmos thrown at Hades has its potency reverted to the attacker),Aura,Perception Manipulation,Sense Manipulation,Mind Manipulation,Paralysis Inducement,Life Manipulation,Statistics ReductionandHeat Manipulation(By being in the presence of a God. The six senses are rendered unusable and denied.

His presence can't kill people in any way and even the god of death Thanatos needs some telekinetic ability to inflict death, this is only possible with a barrier that they have to prep for and summon or draw.

Only when the barrier was brought down did anything start dying, even though Hades soul was in Pandora's mothers' womb the entire time.

We can even see how in a scene that takes place way after Pandora's mother birthed his soul and his death barrier was drawn, Pandora is able to walk through cities and approach people at close range, and they are completely unaffected, confirming that this barrier is only local to a small area after it's drawn.

The gods don't affect the senses in any way in canon and those scans are from a novel stated to be completely non canon.

The Gods radiate a divine aurathat causes fear in the surrounding beings and forces them to obey their comma

An ability that's pretty unimpressive and not notable here, because it only affected fodder and didn't even faze stronger characters.

I never read God of Highschool to give a completely objective assessment of this match, but it's worth noting that the points made for Hades winning so far are based on completely incorrect misinformation giving him abilities he doesn't have.

Hades is god tier amongst all Anime characters. He solos the verse

Both are been wanked super hard hoolyy.

OT: Hades only wins because his actually universal unlike Jin. There's not enough evidence to buy into this universal wank for Mori Jin

Hades unless someone has convincing feats showing better hax etc. pretty sure just scaling along SS should take it.

@Estrelladeleon

Wall of text.

(1. Shaka is fodder to Mori. The battle against Shijima is all a metaphorical bullshit, there's no countless universes being destroyed or anything like that. He is not even on the same level of Saga, who's galactic, to multi galactic at best.).

1> shaka ain't no foddler to jin, it is actually the other way around, i also don't believe that countless of universes where actually being destroyed honestly, (that is just people mistranslating the feat) i see the attack as both shaka and shijima spamming the same attack continuously and since shaka agyo is the birth of the universe it is obviously the (big bang) and shijima attack ungyo represent the destruction of the universe (which they where just spamming continuously) which is still a universal+ feat

(Shaka is galaxy level, and some degrees of faster than light. Anything above, is an assumption, based on fan calcs that make no sense.

Daewi is multi solar system level and mftl++. Yes he is weaker.).

2> Shaka is not galaxy level, and he is also high into mftl+ and also exceed the goh verse in both speed and power and it has always been calc >>> feat (you can't use assumptions to get a feat to a certain level)

> And deawi is weaker than shaka and other gold saint

(Does it matter? No, he blitzes and haxstomps Shaka, as the latter cannot resist an Infinite Punch, which is the combination of Weak Force, Strong Force, Gravity, etc.

It's the four fundamental forces combined into one. Shaka gets tore apart and erased. Shaka has no counters to getting BFRd to the sun. Even G Aiolos, would have died to millions of degrees, and the rest is consistently threatened by thousands of degrees celsius, Daewi uses literal nuclear fission.).

3.> shaka would have already blitz,turn him into a veggie and use tenbu horin an ability to can freeze causality and also put cosmos barrier around him to reflect jin and even date attacks

> if you are talking about atomic destruction, the weakest saint in ss already resisted that and none of goh cast can actually erase a gold saint and i don't see how sending shaka to sun is a problem when gold saint can generate heat that are millions of degrees hot and shaka has actually come back from bfr twice (saga another dimension and ikki suicide explosion) and shaka should be stronger than Aiolos who would still murk daewi

(Tenbu Horin would sure screw Daewi up. Does it matter? Nein, statues don't fight back. In fact, no Gold Saint in the Classic has mftl feats. Who does? Oh, Season 2 Jin. Crazy.)

4.> gold saint in classic could already move ftl to mftl if we are counting the sequels and you are right Gohverse are statues and can't fight back and even if season 2 jin have mftl speed, at the end of the day he is only a high tier to the bronze saint and not on the level of any gold saints

(2. Jin literally bends Hades over. Not only he trascends space and time, something not even Chronos does as he embodies literal space and time (inb4 5D Chronos when the God is the literal embodiement of time itself), he can literally conceptually erase Hades, and that counters Gods hard. Not only he erased malice from the whole universe with a kick, he can order Hades to disappear by simply saying so, considering Karma itself would decide so. Hades is not above Karma, he is part of the great Karmic Cycle like everybody else.)

5.> jin bends hades in his dreams while in reality he is in a comatose state because of hades sword any do know that 8th sense is above Samsara (the circle of reincarnation) which is why a gold saint with the 8th sense continue to revive no matter how many times they die because they are also no longer bound by life nd death (that is the reason they where able to resist hades law manipulation and death hax) so i don't see jin being able to erase hades, instead it is the other way around cause hades has resistance to EE and can also use his own EE to stomp mori and also give mori a true death with his sword

(Speed? Hades is mftl+, but it doesn't matter when it's to a lesser degree of Mori, who literally zips around the universe at EoS for the lolz(even implied to travel through whole universes), and can physically trascend time and space, something Hades cannot do, no actual god can.

Not that it matters, as Mori simply stops time and erases Hades from the laws of cause and effect(inb4 acausal Hades when there's no evidence of such in the Classic manga, and even then it doesn't matter, as Mori would erase him from the very cycle of cause and effect as a whole, so belonging to an irregular system of cause and effect wouldn't be enough).

6.> hades scale above god clothes saints who crossed millions/billions of galaxies in a time frame of 5 minutes since he was able to blitz the five of the and they weren't even able to react and also scale far above thanatos death hax cross light years in minutes, mori is a snail compared to hades and that is a fact and i don't see the importance of mori transcending both space and time when he is still just mftl and an interesting feat for an ss god is when athena cosmos cross through history, space and time in the ss multiverse in minutes looking for shura, that speed feat makes got speed look boring

Hades solo the franchise (Another Fact)

@Estrelladeleon

The idea of "dualities", and the "Discriminating Mind" is briefly touched upon by Shaka. He describes these dualities by saying the following sentence, "Love.. Hate... Laugh... Cry... Fight... Hurt... Experiences, joy, and sadness...[2]" Add also touched upon again by Buddha within the story of Saint Seiya as he also says, "My dear Shaka... There is no life that contains only suffering. Where there is pain, there is also joy.. and vice versa.[2]" Even the idea of dualities such as life and death are brought up. For if there is life, there must be death, and all the Multiverse is caught in this cycle of dualities. The Saint Seiya Anime also touches upon the subject of Dualities. It describes that the entire cycle of suffering (Samsara) is what contains duality for all positives there is also a negative within this cycle.[43] Saint Seiya: Episode G Assassins also gives us more details on dualities by saying that everything participates in duality including people, objects, locations, even hierarchies.[44] To go more into detail; The Universe has neither Good or Evil. In terms of binary values. Good would be 1 and Evil would be 0. The Universe does not have 1 and does not have 0. The Universe also does not simultaneously have both of good and evil due to it lacking both of them. This applies to all dualities within the Universe as its all tied together under Dependent Origination, and Sunyata.[36] Further details on this, Shaka who is the staple of the 8th Sense within the world of Saint Seiya. With his 8th Sense he can discern the essence of an individual including weather, or not, a persons intentions are "just" or "unjust.[45] without being caught up with only one aspect (to be good or evil.) Therefore, because of the 8th Sense Shaka is neither "Good" or "Evil," and he is not simultaneously both "Evil and Good." He is also not "Neutral." He is some other truth state. To give another example, 8th Sense users are neither living, or dead. They are also not "living and dead" at the same time. They are also not "Undead" or "Living dead" like Hade's Specters, or Eris's Dryads. These users are some other state of being.

The technique that that mori jin has (karma), have already been transcended by saints and the gods and they are no longer bound by karmic circle so jin can't erase them because of "duality", the saint are neither dead nor alive and they are also not neutral, they are also not good or evil or anything in between

So making jin match with ss character that have the 8th sense is nothing more than a stomp in favor of the saint since Eos jin abilities ain't doing shit

Meaning if you want a fair battle between the god/saint against mori you will need to restrict the 8th sense and anything above, unless jin mori abilities are completely useless and would instantly get stomped

Fyi, if you want the evidence on all i have said check the link i have posted and kurumada interview on shaka also support the 8th sense abilities

@Estrelladeleon

Well i will be skipping some of the stuff you said and just go straight to the minor problem. and trying to downplay hades ain't working out for you bruh, even if we should agree that hades is wall level, his hax would still be above jin and at the end of the day jin would still be a vegetable because hades hax >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gohverse

And hades was actually trying to rearrange the solar system, and the feat you posted for jin doesn't still change the fact that he has always been a foddler to SSverse and would only be a high tier bronze saint and and a low tier gold saint (like far at the bottom)

Law manipulation isn't anything dangerous to a gold saint who has acquired the 8th sense since with it they are completely unaffected by hades law manipulation and death hax in the underworld and also saint with the 8th sense have already ascend the circle of reincarnation (Samsara) and have already unbound by the concept of karma therefore making shaka or any gold saint with the with the neither dead or alive and they are also not neutral as well, they are needed good nor evil because with this sense they have already achieved nirvana (enlightenment)

Here is a link that explains why jin abilities are completely useless to any gold saint with the 8th sense, and am sure that you are aware that SSverse are far more into buddhism than Gohverse

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:TheUnshakableOne/The_8th_Sense_in_Saint_Seiya_Explained

You might not want to check because it is from vsbattle, but i can assure you that everything thing their is legit with actually scan and statements from the author

Hades has resistance to telepathic due to the virtue of having the 6th sense and even though he doesn't have his own actual feat of resisting mind manipulation (which he can) jin is the one that actually needs feat of his own mind manipulation affecting someone with more than 5 senses

What if ikki fist worked on him, well that is just a good feat for ikki and seiya best feat while fighting hades was drawing little blood from hades. Same seiya who would completely murder stomp jin with a broken leg

SS gods are already above the karmic circle, if you check the link i posted you will understand why and even shaka was bfr by his his own technique "Rekado Rinne", it didn't work because he had the 8th sense, those of you who are curious on what the technique does, well it basically bfr your soul to one of the 6 realm of transmigration and forces you to reincarnate (this technique did not phase shaka) because he is above it

So i don't see any of mori jin weak karmic erasure working on hades or any of the ss gods or saints with the 8th sense since they are above Samsara

Hades doesn't need feat to be universal+ to low multiversal since he scale far above universal+ plus saints and some other gods and their is also something called Ap since hades was also able to crack 5 god clothes, That their is a universal+ feat

Just for this battle i will assume jin can actually touch hade without the need of an ichor or blessing from a god, hades has resisted power nullification but have mori ever resisted being turned into a stone and i don't see how he would even land the kick on hades cause has passive sense destruction up to the 6th sense which is the mind so veggie mori it is then

Jin should not be put in a battle against a saint with the 8th sense since the battle is just gonna be a stomp and they resist all his karmic techniques

With the 8th sense Anthena is able to monitor everything in the ss multiverse and so was shaka both not on a multiversal scale and also leo regulus and every other gold saint with the 8th sense (SSverse is far into buddism more than Gohverse)

Hades literally has law manipulation in his underworld, that is one of the reasons the saints actually needed the 8th sense and why buddha explained it to shaka and why shaka revealed it to Anthena, ss god are Acasual and have resistance to causality manipulation and also have causality manipulation, 8th sense gives them transcendence over space and time just like shaka being able to travel to the past effortlessly and conceptual manipulation is foddler to any ss gods

So there goes mori jin wincon

Shaka agyo is a universal+ feat, and you actually bring nothing to the table on how any goh characters beat a gold saint or shaka (to be specific) and a mid tier bronze saint would murk deawi

Shaka >>>>> saga, and believing it is vice versa is just your head cannon

Lets first talk about how he would touch shaka needless to kill him cause the if i remember correctly (statues don't move) which is exactly what Gohverse is to shaka and cosmos barrier make it impossible for daewi to actually harm shaka

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High End: 27,896,921,509,613,161,900,000c (27 Sextillion 896 Quintillion 921 Quadrillion 509 Trillion 613 Billion 161 Million 900 Thousand c)

Hecate Crosses 1000 Light Years: 105,194,996.82232388854c (105 Million 194 Thousand 996.82232388854c)

Ikki Flees for Quadrillions of Kilometers: 222,376,063.46543470025c (222 Million 376 Thousand 063.46543470025c)

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High End: 4,207,590,138.908698082c (4 Billion 207 Million 590 Thousand 138.908698082c)

Aiolos Attacks from Another Universe:

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Eris Pulls Souls to the Edge of the Universe:

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High End: Roughly 30,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000c (Roughly 30 Septillion c)

Goh is still to slow bruh cause ss verse are high into septillions of xftl

Hades has resistance to EE and has his own EE (i will bring the link tomorrow) or in a few hours that is if i don't sleep and for you to actually go a god down you have to destroy them in both body and soul

In reality you and gelato actually debunk nothing since in that manga panel we were shown lot of galaxies and the Japanese translation said this

"Beyond 10 Billion Lights, past a hundred billion miles of darkness."

And here's what the Spanish translation says

"After traversing Billions of Galaxies. After passing through trillions of dark points."

So it is very obvious that the light he was talking about where the galaxies and the dark park where the the space between each galaxy (i don't know how something this simple could get mistranslated like this) when their are lot of proof from other language that support billions of galaxies.

I mean what was the point of drawing galaxies if they only he only meant light and darkness, why not just draw half light half dark instead of adding galaxies

Mori franchise get soloed as hades stomps and all the gold saint would also solo to

@david33: not commenting on the arguments from the two sides but make a conscious effort to format better please

Mori blitzes and murders him

Saint Seiya is wanked garbage. Mori solos the verse

It baffles me how anyone who pays attention to the story can come to the conclusion Shaka vs. Shijima creating and destroying a universe many times was literal, when it was something literally said by Shun, who in no way has any sort of ability to properly perceive stars in the sky (even the Grand Pope of Sanctuary needs to climb to the top of Star Hill to properly view the night sky), let alone a universe.

Not to mention that taking Agyo and Ugyo’s symbolism literally would mean that Shaka and Shijima would individually have the power of the Athena Exclamation based on the description, and it goes without saying why this is wrong.

It’s just a metaphor that plays on their clash based on the naming scheme of the attacks (Agyo and Ugyo being the names of the Guardians of Buddha who represent life and death), even in the scene you can clearly see their attacks are just light and darkness energy and don’t literally create a universe, an ability they don’t have in any way.

@gelato_exotic: Curious, where do you rate Hades tier wise?

I've put him against DBH characters and they stomp him, I put him against DBS characters and he stomps them apparently. In the middle?

Hades stomping DBS characters power wise , especially say Whis or higher , seems to me an overexaggeration.

Hades stomping DBS characters power wise , especially say Whis or higher , seems to me an overexaggeration.

Interesting.

Bump

@Estrelladeleon

I will be addressing only your main point

> the passive sense removal come from saint seiya gigantomachia novel, which could be considered Cannon since kurumada himself was involved in the making of the story. I don't no much about Xuanzang since i haven't finished reading (Goh) yet, but she ain't beating Chronos

> The two feat cannot be compared, since hades was about to perform the greatest eclipse that would cover the world in darkness with tk and you said mubong was using gravity a (fundamental force) of the universe to move a move a star, Aren't you seeing the difference in both feat. Hades did his own with tk while mubong did his own with gravity (one of the fundamental forces). But anyways both feat are impressive, but if you are talking about time, a gold saint like saga could perform a multi galaxy level feat in an instant with Galaxian explosion and he is far weaker than hades

> the gods are above karmic circle and i have the links to prove it, and the scan you posted just shows how broken hades is and that one swing from his sword would kill any goh character since it sends seiya soul outside the circle of reincarnation (karma), and into a void where time doesn't flow and left seiya body in aa comatose state.

> On the contrary, the vsbattle link debunked all your point, but it is cool if you don't wanna check it out.

> And jin mind and soul manipulation is not working on hades layered or not (jin has no actual way of killing hades and there is also the fact that if jin comes closer to hades his stat will begin to reduce which includes speed, strength, stamina and that is if he does not turn into a veggie burger at the beginning of the battle

> ikki techorked on hades and it only proves how strong and broken ikki technique really is and if you where under the impression that ikki technique is only mind manipulation then you don't know what you are saying

Hōō Genmaken (Phoenix Illusion Demonic Fist ) : A mental attack. Ikki focuses his Cosmos and pierces the opponent's mind with a swift punch. While the external pain is insignificant, comparable to a mosquito's bite, the internal pain is unbearable. Ikki's opponent is trapped in hellish illusions, where he is exposed to his deepest fears and constant torturous death. At a minimum, the attack will leave its victim dazed and incapable of reacting; at worst, it will literally destroy their minds.

> As you can see ikki technique is more than you describe it to be and some silly mind manipulation ain't doing shit to hades

> they are not bound by time and with the 8th sense they have minor transcendence over it

> like you said karmic erasure is weak and it ain't doing shit to people who have already transcended it

> Stop the cap, it took A.E to actually defeat shaka (a universal attack), the context in shaka vs shijima fight says universe (although it is not infinite) but is still a universal plus attack, leo regulus zodiac exclamation (not sure the name of the attack is correct) was stated to be above A.E making it a universal+ attack. So i don't get when you say their are no universal+ gold saint

> Nothing you said about jin immortality could be considered impressive compared to hades and about the soul a saint like death mask could destroy billions of souls and virgo saint with "ohm" can destroy souls and even with jin immortality hades could still kill him because he is bound by death

> Is there any evidence that proves it is symbolic and not an AOE

> saga could beat pre 8th sense shaka, but 8th sense shaka folds saga. This was made clear by even the author himself when he said in an interview that shaka have awaken a sense above the gold saint. An argument could still be made for 8th sense shaka being comparable or above saga

> Jin is actually the the real statue here since any gold saint would murk him in speed and that includes shaka

> So you really think SS is not a multiverse (damn) and i thought i was the one who doesn't no much about the verse, even the author himself implied ss is a multiverse, G and assassin proves this and you know i have seen your debate before and you have definitely implied it yourself about ss being a multiverse

> fan calc >>> feat, if you don't believe it then how did you get jin speed then. It is annoying to see people who don't have a debunk to someone else claim just pulls out (it is a fan calc) card despite them using the same thing in their own blog

> you don't know what you are saying, the underworld has both law manipulation and death manipulation since it kills everyone living being inside and controls every dead being (soul), but with the 8th sense they transcend "duality" making them both dead and alive and neither dead nor alive and they are not in between. This was touched upon by buddha when he was teaching shaka about the 8th, the 8th sense is a way of freeing the gold saint from the circle of reincarnation (Samsara/karma), which is the reason gold saint are able to resurrect despite being dead

> Gold saint with the 8th sense makes Eos mori ability seems pointless cause it is never working on them

> hades already transcended jin ability so it doesn't matter and jin is never laying a finger on hades, just like hades doesn't need to touch jin since he passively solos

> i don't see the problem with them having the power of A.E individual

> Hades takes good care of his body because he is obsessed with it and doesn't like to get injured

> tenbu horin also govern the law of cause and effect and can also freeze it

@Estrelladeleon

1. Heres a link that implied god in ss are above karma

https://imgur.io/dek0AKJ

2. Rikudo Rinn". This is a BFR ability that sends a character's soul through the endless Cycle of the Rebirth through the Six Worlds, or more simply, and more technically the immortal metempsychosis of the peregrination of the Six Worlds. Virgo Shaka was completely unaffected by this technique

https://imgur.com/YccJUh5

3. Within the Story of Saint Seiya, the 8th Stage of Consciousness, or the 8th Sense, once awakened is immediate enlightenment (Nirvana.) This frees them from the concept of Karma. Being free from the concept of Karma detaches them from the concept of Samara allowing them to transcend not only causality, but life, death, rebirth (reincarnation), and all dualities

https://i.imgur.com/0PNtGcQ.jpg

4. Buddha teaches shaka about duality

https://i.imgur.com/GUQB19S.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/X6m0CAC.jpg: says, "My dear Shaka... There is no life that contains only suffering. Where there is pain, there is also joy.. and vice versa.

5. https://imgur.com/Cc5hMOU: He is said to be a reincarnation of Buddha, and his deep insight enables him to see many things and to see the true nature of things without being caught up in one aspect of them.

Saint seiya have proven transcendence over karma, so i don't see how jin have any win con

Hades stomps

Wank... Wank everywhere....

Hades

Jin Mori is about to become another wanked character that will be forgotten after a while. Not only is he being compared to DB top tiers, but SS now too?

Hades wins obviously

I honestly think saint seiya may be an overrated verse. A lot of statements (that are likely taken out of context) with nothing to show for it feat-wise, But that's just my opinion. Could be wrong

@savage_emperor1: You shouldn't post this completely misleading and incorrect universal Gold Saints nonsense, it's the most dishonest misinformation.

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The Grand Pope with all his extensive knowledge of the Sanctuary and the history of it and all the Saints confirmed verbatim no one has the power to even affect the universe but the greatest Olympian Gods.

This might as well be Kurumada himself saying that no Gold Saint is universal.

So much wank and downplay for both characters....

Hades

hades

@Estrelladeleon

> Actually, i wiped my old phone clean and since the former one i was using wasn't mine to begin with, i didn't remember the email (so i created a new one)

> both verse karma works the same and i have proven to you about them being above karma

> yeah and king dimentional travel weakens him, so he would eventually die if the technique where to be spammed lots of times

> OK you don't know what you are saying

> i didn't see the need to post combat feat for shaka since this is not his thread and as far as hand to hand combat goes, i would say jin is above him (and that's it)

> Shaka has the ability you mentioned and has also resisted them, it can't be considered just statements if the author have done an interview to back it up, if you going on about the verse that follows buddhism the it is obviously SSverse >>>>>>>>>> Gohverse and it ain't even close

> I am currently in chapter 283 in goh and i haven't seen any mention of buddha, unless you are talking about that black dude that is holding the planet

> Shaka stomping jin ain't a bad thing since we both know how haxy ss verse can get and lot of people actually read saint seiya and their is even a discussion thread about it on vsbattle (so i don't get what you are calling highball), i mean vsbattle are planning on upgrading jin to 2c, do you consider that an highball

> i could post lots of ss feat for you and you would still turn a blind eye to it (just like you are doing now) so i don't see the point in posting any more feat and as far as am concerned hades already won this thread and so would any other gold saint.