Monkey D. Luffy vs Sosuke Aizen

EoS Aizen is too much unfortunately not to mention Luffy has no win con.

Luffy would struggle with base Aizen. I would argue base Aizen over Luffy.

Nah that's downplay, current Luffy is comfortably beyond base Aizen's weight class, he can only win with the Hogyoku absorbed.

@shirso: I'm afraid I can't agree. At worst, Luffy is in Aizen's tier.

@asmodai: Base Aizen's scaling is what? Being above Espada who at best can be put at country lvl? Luffy matches that in weaker forms.

Luffy statues and smacks him around for a bit before realizing he can't put down and his Gear 5 runs out.

You could argue KS counter with Future Sight and fighting with eyes closed. (Which he's done before in his training)

So yeah, probably Aizen unless Luffy can transmute him into a rubber chair or something. lol.

We really need to see more of Gear 5..

@wushu59:

You could argue KS counter with Future Sight and fighting with eyes closed. (Which he's done before in his training)

You do know KS worked on the Almighty right?

@sleekcyber: Because he looked at him. KS initiates through sight/ line of vision.

That's why I said "fight with eyes closed."

Future Sight is used to find a counter not act as a direct counter.

Aizen legit one-shots the verse

@wushu59: The Almighty allows him to see the future of infinite timelines, it's FS on steroids and yet Yhwach (who is far smarter than Luffy) fell for it.

There is no way Luffy can fight Aizen with his eyes closed either.

@sleekcyber:

Ywatch didn't respect Aizen. Aizen directly stated KS doesn't work on blind people so we known it's vision based.

Luffy was already shown fighting with his eyes closed in Rayleigh flash back and Katakuri fight.

Luffy isn't generally intelligent but he very battle smart an innovative on the fly.

And yeah, he can fight Aizen with his eyes closed given he is much faster anyways.

@wushu59: why would he know to close his eyes

@comicvinepoozer1: CoO

@wushu59: He wouldn't know to close his eyes before he's trapped, and FS isn't bypassing KS, as shown with Yhwach.

Soul cursh GG

@comicvinepoozer1: He'd know how to counter ahead of time using Future Sight

@asmodai: I didn't say FS bypass KS.

And he would know to close his eyes because of FS.

Just because Ywatch wasn't battle smart enough close his eyes doesn't mean same for Luffy.

@wushu59: @nicov: he wouldn’t know. He’s have know idea that Aizen released it

@comicvinepoozer1: FS would give visual depiction of himself stumbling about punching the air and hitting nothing.

He can see what would happen in real time before it actually happens so there really isn't a reason he couldn't figure it out.

It's not guaranteed but that's just something I threw out there for people who say "no counter to KS"

The only advantage Luffy might have , is speed and even that I personally don't agree with , Aizen one shots with far superior AP and hax .

@wushu59: It makes no sense; Luffy has no prior knowledge of KS, and FS isn't passive. Before Luffy ever even thinks about using FS, he'd be under KS.

Damn this actually exist?

what stops Aizen from using hado 90 or KS?

Aizen

Aizen one-shots

@asmodai: FS is, jB’s ability works by what he sees and guess what aizen was manipulating? What he sees

@wushu59:

Ywatch didn't respect Aizen. Aizen directly stated KS doesn't work on blind people so we known it's vision based.

This simply isn't true. Yhwach wanted to recruit Aizen to his side because of how much he respected his power.

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Yea but Luffy isn't blind either.

Luffy was already shown fighting with his eyes closed in Rayleigh flash back and Katakuri fight.

Two people that EoS Aizen can solo passively. Even the Katakuri fight when he did close his eyes, it's not like he came out of it unscathed either.

Luffy isn't generally intelligent but he very battle smart an innovative on the fly.

Are you going to try to compare his battle intelligence to Sosuke Aizen? Lol that is quite the uphill battle.

And yeah, he can fight Aizen with his eyes closed given he is much faster anyways.

No he's not.

This is worded weird I don't know what you're saying.

@asmodai: Jb= Juha Bach= Yhwach

Okay, let us wank observation haki way harder than it deserves here and say Luffy knows to not look at the sword. Lets pretend like that could happen.

Luffy still can't stop Aizen. He needs to erase him entirely (something we haven't seen him come back from) or seal him away (something that Soul Society failed to really do). Putting bruisers against immortals is not a good fight.

@ecoblitz: Yeah and so does Future Sight.

FS is not passive. You have to actually activate it for it's uses. Aizen solos One Piece.

@grandtoaa: you can hurt tom and Jerry

G5 Luffy - Wankman

Luffy stomps

@monkeysdkevin: Can't kill them tho. Fire dragon would have killed Luffy if he came in contact with it. And the damages doesn't last on Tom and Jerry.

@asmodai: No, FS in OP isn’t dependent on what you’re seeing. It’s simply just FS.

Example, Yhwach can close his eyes and by his own mechanics he wouldn’t be able to see the future, same isn’t for OP’s FS.

@sleekcyber: Can you quote the part where I said FS in One Piece is passive?

Sure, this is your response to Asmodai who claimed that FS isn't passive.

FS is, jB’s ability works by what he sees and guess what aizen was manipulating? What he sees

Aizen.

No way around his immortality

@sleekcyber: so where exactly did I say FS in OP is passive, can you highlight it for the crowd?

Aizen solos the entire verse. This isn't up for debate either. If anyone wants to CaV EoS Aizen Vs Literally anyone in OP. Send me a PM.

@ecoblitz: Are you purposely being ignorant?

Asmodai:

and FS isn't passive

Your response:

FS is

@sleekcyber: oh naw that was a typo, I literally reply him explaining my position on what he said. It was never about FD being passive or not

@sleekcyber:

I'm on mobile and can't respond the way I want to sadly.

Ywatch didn't respect Aizen's ability to put him under hypnosis is what I'm saying.

Ywatch isn't portrayed as a someone who is very intellectual in combat. He was a child propehcy and everything was given to him. He has his moments like using a fake version of himself to fight Yamamoto that wasn't on the fly. It was pre-plan.

Luffy consistently invents stuff and comes up with strategies on the fly.

> About your Katakuri scan.

Not sure how that is relevant. Kata has speed feat of blitzing Raid Suit which is directly stated to be light speed and was keeping up with Gear 4 Snakeman which faster then anything in the Bleach verse through basic feats and scaling.

Let's not act like Aizen isn't a complete statue to Luffy here.

Never even stated Luffy wins here. He only loses because Aizen is Immortal. (At least for now)

Aizen is outclassed

Kyoukosuigetsu wont work as it manipulates the 5 senses and CoO is a 6th sense so he should still be able to fight

He has greater stats and better hax in this condition

Aizen may be immortal but KO is a win condition which Luffy can achieve

@expo7: Limiting his sword to the 5 senses is ridiculous when everyone in Bleach is capable of sensing energy and using that for different purposes. Aizen also can't be KOd cause he just restores himself from every injury. It is either his existence or gone or he is fine.

Disagree on Luffy even being close to strong enough to KO him anyways, but no need for that to be discussed. Luffy has no win conditions here if Aizen just sat still and did nothing.

Like, this is just the epitome of CV isn’t.

People are arguing for someone that literally has no win condition. Not a single one.

You can literally say Aizen has wall level durability, that Aizen is restricted to stand in one spot and can’t move or use Shunpo, that Aizen gives Luffy the first 50 attacks free off charge, he has no arms or legs infact, and he cannot use KS.

Aizen still absolutely one shots him from anywhere on the entire planet, he just simply lasers him with his Reiatsu and drives him into the floor like a pin cushion.

Aizen’s Reiatsu crush > Kurohitsugi, Kurohitsugi only made a fissure in the black canopy:

Look what his Reiatsu did, while sealed:

Standing next to Aizen or anywhere near him and getting Reiatsu crushed is literally like standing on a neutron star, and I mean literally, he can crush you to atoms and leave no trace if he wants.

Casually shows country level range with reiatsu, also can shoot down the Soul Palace (millions of km away):

Even captains have shown multiple kilometres in range with Reiatsu Crush. He just flexes and Lufy gets reduced to atoms with no trace left behind, he solos the verse no difficulty, don’t use Aizen use someone else.

@wushu59:

Ywatch didn't respect Aizen's ability to put him under hypnosis is what I'm saying.

Ywatch isn't portrayed as a someone who is very intellectual in combat. He was a child propehcy and everything was given to him. He has his moments like using a fake version of himself to fight Yamamoto that wasn't on the fly. It was pre-plan.

Luffy consistently invents stuff and comes up with strategies on the fly.

It's not about respect or not. KS is a passive ability that is deployed when the opponent looks at him. Yhwach with both the soul king absorbed and the Almighty activated still fell for KS. Mind you again, the Almighty has been described as such.

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Yhwach doesn't have to be smart despite the claim that he isn't is comedic at best. He can see all possible futures and alter them as he wishes. That renders his intelligence level irrelevant but don't act like Yhwach wasn't the one who planned the entire attack and invasion of the Soul Society.

Yea but Luffy also loses the minute he looks at Aizen. He isn't fighting a full fight with his eyes closed.

Not sure how that is relevant. Kata has speed feat of blitzing Raid Suit which is directly stated to be light speed and was keeping up with Gear 4 Snakeman which faster then anything in the Bleach verse through basic feats and scaling.

Let's not act like Aizen isn't a complete statue to Luffy here.

LS is faster than anything in Bleach? Lmao, LS is fodder to Aizen, don't get it twisted. And no, Aizen isn't a complete statue to Aizen; if anything Luffy might be the one getting blitzed.

Never even stated Luffy wins here. He only loses because Aizen is Immortal. (At least for now)

Immortality, KS, Kido, having no ways of hurting Aizen, and pretty much everything relevant in combat.