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#151 Posted by DBVSE7 (8197 posts) - - Show Bio

@tobi122: Not like Sasuke though Luffys Combat IQ could be compared with Narutos. Busoshoku won't matter if Sasuke focuses on a single point to POSSIBLY break it with his abilities with his sword.

I agree Luffy breaking Susanoo isn't a stretch, difficult, but not a stretch how will he deal with Amaterasu?

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#152 Posted by Tobi122 (9 posts) - - Show Bio

@dbvse7: Not sure how Sasuke's sword could break through Luffy's haki. :o

But if Sasuke used Amaterasu on Luffy, Luffy could probably cover his whole body with the Busoshoku and negate the black flames.

Sasuke's IQ is probably higher then Luffy's. Luffy doesn't really train or study, but he gains experience from fights and stuff.

Luffy also has Kenboshoku, so avoiding Sasuke's sword would be easy. The only way Sasuke could go past that is if he does random attacks.

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#153 Posted by DBVSE7 (8197 posts) - - Show Bio

@tobi122: You can't just "negate" the flames. Just like a clingy girl friend once it's on you, you can't just get it off.

I don't see how he couldn't cut through Armorment Haki. ( ._.)

Sasuke does that in his fights too overall Sasuke learns faster then Luffy.

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#154 Posted by Tobi122 (9 posts) - - Show Bio

@dbvse7: Alright then, with the haki, the flames won't get blown out or anything. They'll just not burn Luffy. c:

Sasuke's sword would probably break if he tried to attack his haki. Busoshoku is similar to Tekkai, this haki gives the user invincible armor to protect from attacks that would hurt them. Unless Sasuke had stronger haki, he won't really do much cutting.

I will admit, Sasuke could analyze and learn faster, but putting Luffy on Naruto's level kinda contradicts that. Naruto learned Rasengan and Summoning in a VERY short time, and also mastered Senjutsu in record time.

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#155 Posted by Nyas (3244 posts) - - Show Bio

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@nyas: http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=17596

Not sure if this is accurate. If not, then it's still 700 tons. :T

Ok, so I took my time reading the chapters till I found the panel used there and I'll say :

1) In that panel Luffy isn't standing next to the ball, he is trying to drag it. Meaning that the ball is closer to us than Luffy, which explains why it looked so huge compared to him.

2)The ball keeps on changing size each panel, so using pixels to calculate it's width is pretty dumb. It however seems to be a little bigger than Luffy (Luffy is 1.70 so I guess the ball is 2 meters ?)

3)We don't even know if the ball is actually hollow or not.

4) I was asking were you got the 700 tons thing from not 1000+ :)

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#156 Posted by DeathHero61 (17488 posts) - - Show Bio

@dbvse7 said:

@tobi122: Not like Sasuke though Luffys Combat IQ could be compared with Narutos. Busoshoku won't matter if Sasuke focuses on a single point to POSSIBLY break it with his abilities with his sword.

I agree Luffy breaking Susanoo isn't a stretch, difficult, but not a stretch how will he deal with Amaterasu?

Nooooooo. Naruto is tiers in strategy in comparison to luffy.

Naruto is one hell of a strategist, he screwed around with battle genius negi hyuuga, bested people who easily overpower him, and outsmarted the some of the most skilled ninja.

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Completely turns the battle around on kiba.

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And he was contemplating during his fight with kakazu. He didn't necessarily just charge in.

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Marked at 1:16:14 watch till well, i guess the end of the fight.

Luffy breaking through Sussano is something i doubt is happening. But yeah its possible. But luffy's striking feats are slightly inconsistent.

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#157 Edited by DeathHero61 (17488 posts) - - Show Bio
@tobi122 said:

@dbvse7: Not sure how Sasuke's sword could break through Luffy's haki. :o

But if Sasuke used Amaterasu on Luffy, Luffy could probably cover his whole body with the Busoshoku and negate the black flames.

Sasuke's IQ is probably higher then Luffy's. Luffy doesn't really train or study, but he gains experience from fights and stuff.

Luffy also has Kenboshoku, so avoiding Sasuke's sword would be easy. The only way Sasuke could go past that is if he does random attacks.

By lightning coating his sword or utilizing sussano to increase his offense with the sword.

You don't simply negate flames, and if your logic can be used to negate them then raikage would have never been harmed by amaterasu.

Its way higher's actually. Sasuke is a combat genius, based off what i seen is even better than naruto in terms of strategy and combat.

Dude sharigan says hi, its far better than Kenboshoku and would predict all his movements with ease.

"Luffy's precog would grant him an advantage" that's also wrong. Kid Naruto was already fighting with full Sharingan Sasuke who has much better precog than Luffy.

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Notice how Sasuke was dodging BEFORE Naruto even attacked, No one piece character ever done that, they all seem to just barely avoid the attack. Still not convinced ? then this :

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After going KT1, Naruto had a MONSTROUS speed advantage over Sasuke, but this didn't stop Sasuke for somehow avoiding his attacks.

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#158 Posted by DBVSE7 (8197 posts) - - Show Bio
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#159 Posted by Felking1 (15 posts) - - Show Bio

Wow, last post was a while ago. Sasuke stomps cos he's light speed, because he can keep up with Naruto's taijutsu. Naruto is light speed because he dodged Madara's sage light fang. Sasuke physically is no joke, by now, way stronger than sage mode naruto who was already quite strong. Because you guys didn't know about the Rinnegan back then, I'll mention it now... Rinnegan solo.

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#160 Posted by Back_stabbath95 (2119 posts) - - Show Bio

@felking1 said:

Wow, last post was a while ago. Sasuke stomps cos he's light speed, because he can keep up with Naruto's taijutsu. Naruto is light speed because he dodged Madara's sage light fang. Sasuke physically is no joke, by now, way stronger than sage mode naruto who was already quite strong. Because you guys didn't know about the Rinnegan back then, I'll mention it now... Rinnegan solo.

nice nonsense necro, you have a very false sense of what lightspeed is.

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#161 Posted by Felking1 (15 posts) - - Show Bio

@back_stabbath95:

@felking1 said:

Wow, last post was a while ago. Sasuke stomps cos he's light speed, because he can keep up with Naruto's taijutsu. Naruto is light speed because he dodged Madara's sage light fang. Sasuke physically is no joke, by now, way stronger than sage mode naruto who was already quite strong. Because you guys didn't know about the Rinnegan back then, I'll mention it now... Rinnegan solo.

nice nonsense necro, you have a very false sense of what lightspeed is.

And what would light speed be in your sense of the word? I think I have a very good idea.

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#162 Edited by jc9865 (280 posts) - - Show Bio

Sasuke takes it. He has precog with the sharingan. Haki hasn't been shown to block anything quite like Amaterasu. And plus the boatload of rimmegan techniques he can use. Soul steals, shinra tensei, even chivalry tenses are now in his move set.

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#163 Posted by Noone1996 (8893 posts) - - Show Bio

Sasuke wins.

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#164 Posted by Antonio_1996 (970 posts) - - Show Bio

Sasuke wins in a one-sided stomp.

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#165 Posted by jasonhitto (1264 posts) - - Show Bio

Sasuke stomp the verse

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#166 Posted by Helloman (17985 posts) - - Show Bio

Sasuke stomps both rounds.

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#167 Posted by Back_stabbath95 (2119 posts) - - Show Bio

@felking1 said:

@back_stabbath95:

@back_stabbath95 said:
@felking1 said:

Wow, last post was a while ago. Sasuke stomps cos he's light speed, because he can keep up with Naruto's taijutsu. Naruto is light speed because he dodged Madara's sage light fang. Sasuke physically is no joke, by now, way stronger than sage mode naruto who was already quite strong. Because you guys didn't know about the Rinnegan back then, I'll mention it now... Rinnegan solo.

nice nonsense necro, you have a very false sense of what lightspeed is.

And what would light speed be in your sense of the word? I think I have a very good idea.

I agree Sasuke wins but claiming him and Naruto are light speed is straight bogus, heck its debatable if you wanna call Madara's Light Fang lightspeed only because the databook lists it as so? iirc LF is a lightning based sage release jutsu. There isn't any lightspeed going on in Naruto.

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#169 Posted by AlmightyAmortal (828 posts) - - Show Bio

@back_stabbath95:

What is your opinion on Guy's attack that bent space? Does he reach light speed?

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#170 Edited by Adi_Frost (467 posts) - - Show Bio

@almightyamortal: Really close to light speed i'd say . If we are to simply interpret the feat without using any kind of logic , its inquantifiable but maybe you can take it as relativistic . If you apply a bit of science to it , then the low end is a lot more than 90% the speed of light but the high end would be under 100% of speed of light i.e light speed .
Thats how i interpret his speed .

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#171 Posted by TwentyGoodMen (1042 posts) - - Show Bio

Why was this bumped tho

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#172 Posted by maiamaku (1461 posts) - - Show Bio

Chidori gg

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#173 Posted by Back_stabbath95 (2119 posts) - - Show Bio

@maiamaku: lol no it’s going to take a lot more than chidori

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#174 Posted by maiamaku (1461 posts) - - Show Bio

@back_stabbath95: it really shouldn't, unless I missed something and luffy can survive his heart being vaporized. Admittedly, I haven't kept up with one piece, but luffy is quite weak against cutting and piercing attacks, right? Iirc he was cut by glass and the ridges/ spikes on a mace, and it just so happens that his opponent specializes in cutting and piercing attacks.

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#175 Posted by BilboBaggins (786 posts) - - Show Bio

@back_stabbath95: He's right...more or less.

The Last Sasuke was able to casually vaporize a city size moon meteor with a normal Chidori, not to mention piercing properties etc.

Sasuke can also amp his Chidori with sealing properties (was able to seal Juudara Limbo) and Kagutsuchi Amaterasu.

Current Sasuke is also stronger than The Last Sasuke.

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#176 Edited by tsoj (3602 posts) - - Show Bio

@bilbobaggins: Sasuke's Chidori doesn't have sealing, that was Naruto's Magnet Rasengan thing that did the sealing.

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#177 Posted by BilboBaggins (786 posts) - - Show Bio

@tsoj: Onyx Six Paths Chidori has sealing properties. It restricted Juubidara just like Naruto Magnet Rasengan did.

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#178 Edited by tsoj (3602 posts) - - Show Bio

@bilbobaggins: Where is this stated? I don't see it in the manga, it just says he's using Six Paths Chakra, which was obviously to make it stronger. There wasn't even a special name for the black Chidori, just...Chidori. Surely it would have its own special name if it could seal.

I just don't see how it could be a sealing jutsu as there doesn't seem to be any mention of it.

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#179 Posted by Back_stabbath95 (2119 posts) - - Show Bio

@maiamaku: Luffy was unphased by all of enel’s attacks so the lightning in a chidori wouldn’t be what damages him besides he has been skewered by crocodile and enel and cracker tried to but luffy’s Haki overpowered cracker’s when he used the pretzel sword on his chest

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#180 Posted by Back_stabbath95 (2119 posts) - - Show Bio

@tsoj: the name onyx chidori comes from storm 4 game if that’s what he is referring to

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#181 Edited by Easternwind (4490 posts) - - Show Bio

@tobi122:

Not sure how Sasuke's sword could break through Luffy's haki. :o

Because his attacks are a million times stronger than anything Luffy has every tanked

Sasuke's IQ is probably higher then Luffy's.

"probably "

Most definitely.

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#182 Posted by Falco6 (145 posts) - - Show Bio

lol really Sasuke blinks

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#183 Edited by Easternwind (4490 posts) - - Show Bio

@back_stabbath95:

It's not the electricity thats the issue, its the piercing.

Also, Enel's lightning is great and all, but Sasuke cut someone in half who could tank 4 Juubidama and scales to Moon+ level.

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#184 Posted by Back_stabbath95 (2119 posts) - - Show Bio

@easternwind: Sasuke definitely wins I’m just not convinced that a single chidori does the trick even if Luffy is pierced his durability and endurance is insane it would take more than piercing him to absolutely stop him

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#185 Posted by Skrskr (2609 posts) - - Show Bio

@easternwind: when did madara tank 4 juubidama? And cutting has nothing to do with energy resistance.

Sasuke definilty wins the fight but not with chidori since Luffys fruit cancels out electricity completely.

Sasuke would win with sussano

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#186 Posted by Easternwind (4490 posts) - - Show Bio

@skrskr:

Obito tanked them, Madara>Obito, sorry for not being clear.

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#187 Posted by Easternwind (4490 posts) - - Show Bio

@back_stabbath95:

Maybe not specifically one chidori, since he does have feats of tanking arm sized holes, and lightning shouldn't effect him.

One Blaze release attack or Susanno arrow should be fine though.

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#188 Posted by Back_stabbath95 (2119 posts) - - Show Bio

@easternwind: tbh attempting chidori vs Luffy should be Sasuke’s last thing on his mind. Sasuke wouldn’t want to take the risk of being pulverized by fists Susanoo is definitely the way to go

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#189 Posted by oceanmaster21 (14694 posts) - - Show Bio

Luffy Both rounds

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#190 Edited by Easternwind (4490 posts) - - Show Bio

@back_stabbath95: Sasuke took punches from the Naruto who 1 punched Madara, harder than 8 Gates Gai did.

He shouldnt have to worry about his punches honestly.

But yeah..

- Susanoo

- Amaterasu

- Teleport Sword into Brain

- BFR

- Genjutsu

- Any strong jutsu

...Sasuke has lots of ways to win.

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#191 Posted by AlmightyAmortal (828 posts) - - Show Bio

Luffy has shown greater resistance to slashing and piercing attacks in his gear 4 forms, from his fights with Doflamingo and Cracker IIRC, and immunity to lightning attacks, from his fight with Enel.

There are a few ways Sasuke could beat Luffy, e.g., Amaterasu, but I just don't think his blade and chidori will have much of an effect on Luffy.

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#193 Edited by Streak619 (4367 posts) - - Show Bio

@almightyamortal:

I agree Sasuke wins but claiming him and Naruto are light speed is straight bogus, heck its debatable if you wanna call Madara's Light Fang lightspeed only because the databook lists it as so? iirc LF is a lightning based sage release jutsu. There isn't any lightspeed going on in Naruto.

The LF is a Gale/Storm style based sage release jutsu

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#194 Edited by AlmightyAmortal (828 posts) - - Show Bio

@streak619 said:

@almightyamortal:

I agree Sasuke wins but claiming him and Naruto are light speed is straight bogus, heck its debatable if you wanna call Madara's Light Fang lightspeed only because the databook lists it as so? iirc LF is a lightning based sage release jutsu. There isn't any lightspeed going on in Naruto.

The LF is a Gale/Storm style based sage release jutsu

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So.... what? People are saying that Naruto can move at the speed of light, because he dodged an attack that had the word light in the title?

Based on the scan, it seemed as if Naruto merely ducked down before Madara could turn his head. Even if the attack did move at the speed of light, which I think is unlikely considering it is a storm style jutsu, Naruto was simply faster than Madara not the attack itself..... Or am I missing something?

Edit: Why is Naruto dodging Madara's jutsu relevant to this thread? Did Sasuke also dodge the same attack? - because I don't remember him doing so.

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#196 Posted by Streak619 (4367 posts) - - Show Bio
@streak619 said:

@almightyamortal:

I agree Sasuke wins but claiming him and Naruto are light speed is straight bogus, heck its debatable if you wanna call Madara's Light Fang lightspeed only because the databook lists it as so? iirc LF is a lightning based sage release jutsu. There isn't any lightspeed going on in Naruto.

The LF is a Gale/Storm style based sage release jutsu

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So.... what? People are saying that Naruto can move at the speed of light, because he dodged an attack that had the word light in the title?

Based on the scan, it seemed as if Naruto merely ducked down before Madara could turn his head. Even if the attack did move at the speed of light, which I think is unlikely considering it is a storm style jutsu, Naruto was simply faster than Madara not the attack itself..... Or am I missing something?

Edit: Why is Naruto dodging Madara's jutsu relevant to this thread? Did Sasuke also dodge the same attack? - because I don't remember him doing so.

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Dodged it after it was released with casualness, while engaging in an invisible clone.

Therefore EOS Naruto is low FTL

Sasuke's speed >= Naruto's speed.

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#197 Edited by Westwood_Trevor (1571 posts) - - Show Bio

Mismatch for both rounds.

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#198 Edited by AlmightyAmortal (828 posts) - - Show Bio

@streak619 said:
@almightyamortal said:
@streak619 said:

@almightyamortal:

I agree Sasuke wins but claiming him and Naruto are light speed is straight bogus, heck its debatable if you wanna call Madara's Light Fang lightspeed only because the databook lists it as so? iirc LF is a lightning based sage release jutsu. There isn't any lightspeed going on in Naruto.

The LF is a Gale/Storm style based sage release jutsu

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So.... what? People are saying that Naruto can move at the speed of light, because he dodged an attack that had the word light in the title?

Based on the scan, it seemed as if Naruto merely ducked down before Madara could turn his head. Even if the attack did move at the speed of light, which I think is unlikely considering it is a storm style jutsu, Naruto was simply faster than Madara not the attack itself..... Or am I missing something?

Edit: Why is Naruto dodging Madara's jutsu relevant to this thread? Did Sasuke also dodge the same attack? - because I don't remember him doing so.

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Stated to be LS.

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Dodged it after it was released with casualness, while engaging in an invisible clone.

Therefore EOS Naruto is low FTL

Sasuke's speed >= Naruto's speed.

The manga scan showed that Naruto ducked down before Madara could swing his head around. The anime seemingly did the same, but that time it showed it from Madara's perspective, seeing as we could see Naruto's face. This, combined with Naruto's sensory abilities, could easily be the explanation why Naruto was able to dodge the attack.

I still don't see the relevance of bringing up Naruto's "feat" - I do not remember much of Naruto, and have not kept up with the movies or Boruto series.... Did Sasuke achieve a similar "feat", or is everything that follows simply speculation based on this one technique? What has Sasuke done that makes his speed impressive? Did Sasuke, himself dodge a light speed attack (if not what was his best reaction feat)?

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#199 Posted by Streak619 (4367 posts) - - Show Bio

@streak619 said:
@almightyamortal said:
@streak619 said:

@almightyamortal:

I agree Sasuke wins but claiming him and Naruto are light speed is straight bogus, heck its debatable if you wanna call Madara's Light Fang lightspeed only because the databook lists it as so? iirc LF is a lightning based sage release jutsu. There isn't any lightspeed going on in Naruto.

The LF is a Gale/Storm style based sage release jutsu

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So.... what? People are saying that Naruto can move at the speed of light, because he dodged an attack that had the word light in the title?

Based on the scan, it seemed as if Naruto merely ducked down before Madara could turn his head. Even if the attack did move at the speed of light, which I think is unlikely considering it is a storm style jutsu, Naruto was simply faster than Madara not the attack itself..... Or am I missing something?

Edit: Why is Naruto dodging Madara's jutsu relevant to this thread? Did Sasuke also dodge the same attack? - because I don't remember him doing so.

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Stated to be LS.

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Dodged it after it was released with casualness, while engaging in an invisible clone.

Therefore EOS Naruto is low FTL

Sasuke's speed >= Naruto's speed.

The manga scan showed that Naruto ducked down before Madara could swing his head around. The anime seemingly did the same, but that time it showed it from Madara's perspective, seeing as we could see Naruto's face. This, combined with Naruto's sensory abilities, could easily be the explanation why Naruto was able to dodge the attack.

I still don't see the relevance of bringing up Naruto's "feat" - I do not remember much of Naruto, and have not kept up with the movies or Boruto series.... Did Sasuke achieve a similar "feat", or is everything that follows simply speculation based on this one technique? What has Sasuke done that makes his speed impressive? Did Sasuke, himself dodge a light speed attack (if not what was his best reaction feat)?

The manga has many possible scenarios as to exactly what happened, all of them being undebunkable, the anime is very clear though.

Sasuke has blitzed both Juudara, which puts him at minimally high relativistic (based on Might against's feat) and especially Naruto on multiple occasions, putting him at low FTL.

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#200 Edited by LambSauce (331 posts) - - Show Bio

@almightyamortal said:
@streak619 said:
@almightyamortal said:
@streak619 said:

@almightyamortal:

I agree Sasuke wins but claiming him and Naruto are light speed is straight bogus, heck its debatable if you wanna call Madara's Light Fang lightspeed only because the databook lists it as so? iirc LF is a lightning based sage release jutsu. There isn't any lightspeed going on in Naruto.

The LF is a Gale/Storm style based sage release jutsu

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So.... what? People are saying that Naruto can move at the speed of light, because he dodged an attack that had the word light in the title?

Based on the scan, it seemed as if Naruto merely ducked down before Madara could turn his head. Even if the attack did move at the speed of light, which I think is unlikely considering it is a storm style jutsu, Naruto was simply faster than Madara not the attack itself..... Or am I missing something?

Edit: Why is Naruto dodging Madara's jutsu relevant to this thread? Did Sasuke also dodge the same attack? - because I don't remember him doing so.

Stated to be LS.

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Dodged it after it was released with casualness, while engaging in an invisible clone.

Therefore EOS Naruto is low FTL

Sasuke's speed >= Naruto's speed.

The manga scan showed that Naruto ducked down before Madara could swing his head around. The anime seemingly did the same, but that time it showed it from Madara's perspective, seeing as we could see Naruto's face. This, combined with Naruto's sensory abilities, could easily be the explanation why Naruto was able to dodge the attack.

I still don't see the relevance of bringing up Naruto's "feat" - I do not remember much of Naruto, and have not kept up with the movies or Boruto series.... Did Sasuke achieve a similar "feat", or is everything that follows simply speculation based on this one technique? What has Sasuke done that makes his speed impressive? Did Sasuke, himself dodge a light speed attack (if not what was his best reaction feat)?

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Naruto casually reacted and dodged Light Fang without the use of precog. Sasuke landed a chidori on Naruto WITH the use of precog.

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Here in the Lava dimension, Sasuke reacted and analyzed the entire situation before Naruto did, which even surprised Naruto.

He also reacted and countered a blitzing JJ Madara.