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#1 Posted by sharingan_eyes (114 posts) - - Show Bio

Both characters are...in character

Fight til k.o or death

Fight takes place in the Forest of Death

Current versions of all characters

No outside interference.

Fighters start off 50 feet apart

Both have knowledge of the other's skills and abilities

Round One: No genjutsu

Round Two: Genjutsu allowed and WILL AFFECT LUFFY REGARDLESS OF IF HE HAS CHAKRA OR NOT.

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#2 Posted by uchiha454 (4094 posts) - - Show Bio

Sasuke has both rounds easy

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#3 Posted by Cor_Tsar (2725 posts) - - Show Bio

Luffy Blitz

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#4 Edited by DeathHero61 (15134 posts) - - Show Bio

Sasuke is essentially a tatical battle genius, but he has no answer for G3+ haki combo considering its damage output. This would be more fair if this was at least pre-timeskip luffy. Who sasuke would beat with mid-difficulty.

Round 2? sasuke easily.

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#5 Posted by Noone301994 (22171 posts) - - Show Bio
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#6 Posted by TheAmazingImmortalMan (4628 posts) - - Show Bio

Sasuke should take this especially round 2

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#7 Edited by The Stegman (38281 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd say round 1, Sasuke wins after a very good fight. Round 2, Sasuke wins almost instantly, especially thanks to prep, he'll go for genjutsu right off the bat before Luffy tries a Gear 2.

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#8 Posted by Marshall_Long (5070 posts) - - Show Bio

Luffy both rounds.

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#9 Posted by thatguywithheadphones (19859 posts) - - Show Bio

*Stand in thread*

Oh don't mind me I'm just waiting on a One Piece fan to claim that Luffy is an Island burster or anywhere near.

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#10 Posted by hart7668 (2334 posts) - - Show Bio

*Stand in thread*

Oh don't mind me I'm just waiting on a One Piece fan to claim that Luffy is an Island burster or anywhere near.

"LUFFY IS AN ISLAND BUSTER!!!"

*runs away screaming*

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#11 Posted by The Stegman (38281 posts) - - Show Bio

*Stand in thread*

Oh don't mind me I'm just waiting on a One Piece fan to claim that Luffy is an Island burster or anywhere near.

But..but, he almost broke Noah!!! Yes, Noah, that inanimate object that just sat there and let him pummel it for minutes on end without fighting back!! He's totally island buster!

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#12 Posted by Cor_Tsar (2725 posts) - - Show Bio

@thatguywithheadphones said:

*Stand in thread*

Oh don't mind me I'm just waiting on a One Piece fan to claim that Luffy is an Island burster or anywhere near.

But..but, he almost broke Noah!!! Yes, Noah, that inanimate object that just sat there and let him pummel it for minutes on end without fighting back!! He's totally island buster!

That feat is taken out of context, and is a bad base for Luffy's destructive potential. Luffy HAD to break it piece by piece, it was a ship made of thin old wood. Though this whole Island Buster thing i've never heard of, it's not... impossible, but there's nothing to say he's that strong yet.

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#13 Posted by thatguywithheadphones (19859 posts) - - Show Bio

@thatguywithheadphones said:

*Stand in thread*

Oh don't mind me I'm just waiting on a One Piece fan to claim that Luffy is an Island burster or anywhere near.

But..but, he almost broke Noah!!! Yes, Noah, that inanimate object that just sat there and let him pummel it for minutes on end without fighting back!! He's totally island buster!

Yeah, and we all know that wooden ship = an island in durability and it was half the size of an island that wasn't even a full island size...so yeah Lufyy such an Island buster.

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#14 Posted by hart7668 (2334 posts) - - Show Bio

Honestly, Sasuke just uses Amaterasu in both rounds. Unless Busoshoku no Haki can protect you from something like that. Also, Luffy has limited pre-cog with Kenbunshoku no Haki, but if he's not fast enough, it may not matter. These are the questions to answer. Or statements....rather

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#15 Edited by XImpossibruX (5747 posts) - - Show Bio

Luffy's haki would negate any genjutsu Sasuke uses. Luffy took down 50,000 fishermen with his mind, Sasuke has yet to mind-f*ck anyone that badly.

Luffy in base outsped a point blank liquid explosion, went behind a crowd and watched the explosion unfold before anyone could react. The detonation velocity of explosions can reach 10,000 m/s, Luffy blitzes Sasuke before he can even think, let alone Gear 2

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#16 Edited by PrinceAragorn1 (31807 posts) - - Show Bio

Amaterasu. Sorry luffy..

@ximpossibrux said:

Luffy in base outsped a point blank liquid explosion, went behind a crowd and watched the explosion unfold before anyone could react. The detonation velocity of explosions can reach 10,000 m/s, Luffy blitzes Sasuke before he can even think, let alone Gear 2

What? when did that happen?

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#17 Posted by XImpossibruX (5747 posts) - - Show Bio

Amaterasu. Sorry luffy..

@ximpossibrux said:

Luffy in base outsped a point blank liquid explosion, went behind a crowd and watched the explosion unfold before anyone could react. The detonation velocity of explosions can reach 10,000 m/s, Luffy blitzes Sasuke before he can even think, let alone Gear 2

What? when did that happen?

Outspeeds a pointblank GIANT liquid explosion without Gear 2
Outspeeds a pointblank GIANT liquid explosion without Gear 2

Sasgay is rekt
Sasgay is rekt

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#18 Edited by PrinceAragorn1 (31807 posts) - - Show Bio

@ximpossibrux:

1. The first scan is gear 2 luffy. Which is why he uses "jet stamp" on caesar (gear 2 technique).

2. The second scan is conqueror's haki. Not useful against non-fodders.

Sasuke in death forest outraced supersonic attacks, as well as carried naruto-sakura, albeit a shorter distance. At chunin exams was faster than gaara's sand, which can outmaneuver explosions. Both feats are pre-ts, no amps.

Anyway, G2 luffy may be faster than sasuke. But it doesn't change anything, as sasuke doesn't rely on speed in his fights. He generally covers his susanoo in amaterasu and starts spamming enton, to which luffy has no answer.

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#19 Posted by XImpossibruX (5747 posts) - - Show Bio

@ximpossibrux:

1. The first scan is gear 2 luffy. Which is why he uses "jet stamp" on caesar (gear 2 technique).

2. The second scan is conqueror's haki. Not useful against non-fodders.

Sasuke in death forest outraced supersonic attacks, as well as carried naruto-sakura, albeit a shorter distance. At chunin exams was faster than gaara's sand, which can outmaneuver explosions. Both feats are pre-ts, no amps.

Anyway, G2 luffy may be faster than sasuke. But it doesn't change anything, sasuke generally covers his susanoo in amaterasu and starts spamming enton, to which luffy has no answer.

Gaara at the chunin exams was slow as hell he didn't have anywhere near the semblance of control he has in Shippuden, Lee could blitz him.

What? Luffy in base outspeeds Sasuke, Sasuke hasn't shown good speed feats AT ALL. Luffy also has pre-cog, so Sasuke isn't hitting him with anything.

Luffy nerfed under water, which under thousands of meters of pressure, 1 shotted kraken sized Surume. Elephant gattling more than enough potential to end the fight. He would beat Sasuke handily.


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#20 Posted by uchiha454 (4094 posts) - - Show Bio

@ximpossibrux: if Sasuke gets hit by Luffy what is going to stop amaterasu from burning him?

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#21 Posted by Marshall_Long (5070 posts) - - Show Bio

@uchiha454: Luffy's Armament Haki could maybe negate some of the Damage, but I'm not sure this is just a theory.

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#22 Posted by uchiha454 (4094 posts) - - Show Bio

@marshall_long: if Luffy uses it won't he have to kill Sasuke before he deactivates it and also how long can he maintain gear 3 because if he fails to kill Sasuke within that timeframe he will lose

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#23 Edited by PrinceAragorn1 (31807 posts) - - Show Bio

@ximpossibrux:

Gaara at the chunin exams was slow as hell he didn't have anywhere near the semblance of control he has in Shippuden, Lee could blitz him.

Gaara was slow. But His sand is automatic. Lee blitzing him changes nothing.

What? Luffy in base outspeeds Sasuke, Sasuke hasn't shown good speed feats AT ALL. Luffy also has pre-cog, so Sasuke isn't hitting him with anything.

How does luffy in base outspeed sasuke? Sasuke's pre-TS speed is equal to weights off lee. And the feat you have shown in G2.

Sasuke just has to look at him to end the match. And he has kept track of faster opponents.

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#24 Edited by The Stegman (38281 posts) - - Show Bio

@ximpossibrux: I agree Luffy is faster in Gear 2, but saying Sasuke has no speed feats isn't true. (and this is mostly all just part one stuff, too lazy to look up the shippuden feats)

@3:30, he mimics Lee's speed

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@2:20 He activates a partial Susanoo before the Raikage (who is fast himself) could deliver a Liger Bomb

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Here, a chakra cloaked Naruto is clearly speed blitzing him.

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#25 Edited by TheMagicStik (2552 posts) - - Show Bio

Luffy is so much faster than Sasuke, it's really not fair, don't say Genjutsu because Sasuke almost never actually uses Genjutsu. Luffy can blitz and if Sasuke got Susanoo up, if Susanoo is breakable, then Luffy can break it, he's far stronger and more durable than anybody in Naruto.

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#26 Edited by uchiha454 (4094 posts) - - Show Bio

@themagicstik said:

Luffy is so much faster than Sasuke, it's really not fair, don't say Genjutsu because Sasuke almost never actually uses Genjutsu. Luffy can blitz and if Sasuke got Susanoo up, if Susanoo is breakable, then Luffy can break it, he's far stronger and more durable than anybody in Naruto.

So is Luffy stronger than Tsunade because she was the only one in Naruto so far to break Susanoo's ribs physically. Can Luffy lift up a building sized sword, rupture organs or kill in one punch, or send opponents flying with a finger pluck. I've seen some of Luffy's strength in his gears and he is strong but I don't know if its on Tsunade level.

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#27 Posted by Date_Masamune (170 posts) - - Show Bio

@uchiha454: Luffy was running around with a 100+ ton gold ball on his arm during the Skypiea arc, that's way above Tsunade's strength.

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#28 Posted by TheMagicStik (2552 posts) - - Show Bio

@uchiha454: Luffy lifts a 100 ton + gold ball, he holds up two buildings, and he has ko'd numerous massive sea kings, destroyed numerous massive buildings, and destroyed Noah.

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#29 Edited by uchiha454 (4094 posts) - - Show Bio

@themagicstik: In that case it will probably Sasuke a little longer but still will win round 1. Sasuke is a battle genius he develops counters for opponents in the midst of battle without them knowing allowing for an opening. Sasuke's eyes and body will enable him to react to Luffy hits as seen from the previous scans. The location aids him further as he is a ninja and been in the forrest of death before. As for round 2 Sasuke could just go in to Luffy's mind find out he can't swim then illusion him into thinking he is drowning Luffy's will be incapacitated from mental damage before he can even move.

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#30 Posted by Marshall_Long (5070 posts) - - Show Bio

@uchiha454: Theirs no way Sasuke is winning round 1 when he's outclassed in physical strength and speed by a large margin, but round 2 Sasuke can win if plays his cards right, I said Luffy in both rounds in an earlier comment but I think Sasuke could win round 2 now that I think about it.

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#31 Posted by uchiha454 (4094 posts) - - Show Bio

@marshall_long: Strength and speed isn't everything he cost Raikage a arm whose strength and speed is leagues away from Sasuke. Sasuke's intellect is high enough to conquer opponents who are more skilled in certain aspects which rarely required genjutsu. Sasuke made Bee retreat, beat Deidara an explosive expert, beat orochimaru, and in those battles he outsmarted all of them to the point where they knew they could not beat him. Bee and Deidara's destructive capabilities were way above sasuke's and orochimaru was virtually immortal and he still won.

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#32 Posted by RetconCrisis (5593 posts) - - Show Bio

Hard to decide Round 1, but Sasuke definitely wins Round 2.

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#33 Posted by lowlaville (10317 posts) - - Show Bio

Sasuke fans are forgetting one little fact about Sharingan.

= Sharingan cannot copy luffys move. LOL. It can predict them. But the battle with Enel proved, and the battle with the snake sisters, that Luffy in G2 goes fast enough even if someone actually predicts movement, they cannot react, a fact reinstated by Lee.

= Even if Sharingan can actually predict the movement, if the user is not fast enough to react, the Sharingan is useless. Haku proved it. Lee proved it. In fact, Lee defeated Sasuke pre shippuden and post Shippuden.

And the OP made sure Sasuke wins second round, by giving Sasuke everything and Luffy nothing. Thats spite. Otherwise, luffy stomps two rounds with ease.

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#34 Edited by uchiha454 (4094 posts) - - Show Bio

Sasuke fans are forgetting one little fact about Sharingan.

= Sharingan cannot copy luffys move. LOL. It can predict them. But the battle with Enel proved, and the battle with the snake sisters, that Luffy in G2 goes fast enough even if someone actually predicts movement, they cannot react, a fact reinstated by Lee.

= Even if Sharingan can actually predict the movement, if the user is not fast enough to react, the Sharingan is useless. Haku proved it. Lee proved it. In fact, Lee defeated Sasuke pre shippuden and post Shippuden.

And the OP made sure Sasuke wins second round, by giving Sasuke everything and Luffy nothing. Thats spite. Otherwise, luffy stomps two rounds with ease.

True because the devils fruit is similar to a kekkei genkai. Did you see the scan where Naruto was fighting Sasuke at the Valley of end Naruto overwhelmed him with speed yet Sasuke overcame that and defended and offended accordingly.

True, but Uchihas are known to be fast, also even if an opponent is fast unless Luffy is on the level of Minato Sasuke will be able to react in time as he did with Naruto and Haku, Lee added to Sasuke's own speed Sasuke used Lee's speed during the Chunin exams. His sharingan was not fully realized in their first encounter and when did Lee and Sasuke fight in Shippuden?

Can Luffy break through illusions if he had a certain technique? Sasuke's genjutsu was nerfed in round one because of how good of a fighter he is in order to bring him to Luffy's level.

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#35 Posted by Jgames (6329 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1 : Could go either way with amaterasu in play, and susanoo preventing him from getting blitz, but luffy has better stat and has better speedx and precog cancel each other out. Luffy should be able to break his susanoo. Is basically sasuke defense vs luffy offense,

Round 2 sasuke stomp, luffy never encountered genjutsu, and it can't be broken through sheer will

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#36 Posted by xlab3000 (3935 posts) - - Show Bio

Current Sasuke should take it.

@hart7668 said:

@thatguywithheadphones said:

*Stand in thread*

Oh don't mind me I'm just waiting on a One Piece fan to claim that Luffy is an Island burster or anywhere near.

"LUFFY IS AN ISLAND BUSTER!!!"

*runs away screaming*

LMFAO

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#37 Posted by mbua1 (3 posts) - - Show Bio

Are we seriously comparing Luffy's strength to Tsunade? That must be a joke. She did not only break Susano'o, but she broke Madara's Susano'o. That is saying a lot because the Raikage couldn't even break Sasuke's.

The Raikage, however completely matches Luffy in speed. It is the signature trait of that Kage's position. Only he was able to rival Minato Namikaze, making him the de facto fastest in the universe after Namikaze's death. I mean, the man can even enhance his speed with lightning style. Luffy is not faster in any way.

This forum has completely forgotten to focus on Ninjutsu aspect of the Naruverse, and taking that into consideration only lessens the chances to me.

Don't get me wrong, Sasuke WILL get fucked up round one, but he always does - only to come back after analyzing your abilities. Round 2, well that's genjutsu time, EASY.

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#38 Edited by lowlaville (10317 posts) - - Show Bio

@uchiha454 said:

@lowlaville said:

Sasuke fans are forgetting one little fact about Sharingan.

= Sharingan cannot copy luffys move. LOL. It can predict them. But the battle with Enel proved, and the battle with the snake sisters, that Luffy in G2 goes fast enough even if someone actually predicts movement, they cannot react, a fact reinstated by Lee.

= Even if Sharingan can actually predict the movement, if the user is not fast enough to react, the Sharingan is useless. Haku proved it. Lee proved it. In fact, Lee defeated Sasuke pre shippuden and post Shippuden.

And the OP made sure Sasuke wins second round, by giving Sasuke everything and Luffy nothing. Thats spite. Otherwise, luffy stomps two rounds with ease.

True because the devils fruit is similar to a kekkei genkai. Did you see the scan where Naruto was fighting Sasuke at the Valley of end Naruto overwhelmed him with speed yet Sasuke overcame that and defended and offended accordingly.

True, but Uchihas are known to be fast, also even if an opponent is fast unless Luffy is on the level of Minato Sasuke will be able to react in time as he did with Naruto and Haku, Lee added to Sasuke's own speed Sasuke used Lee's speed during the Chunin exams. His sharingan was not fully realized in their first encounter and when did Lee and Sasuke fight in Shippuden?

Can Luffy break through illusions if he had a certain technique? Sasuke's genjutsu was nerfed in round one because of how good of a fighter he is in order to bring him to Luffy's level.

- I know Sasuke did. But thats only with the help of the cursed seal. It augmented his body strength and speed to such a degree it allowed Sasuke to keep up with Naruto.

- The Uchihas are, Sasuke is not. In fact, he is vastly inferior to that of even his own brother. Sasuke did not utilize Lee's speed. He copied Lee's technique because he had seen it done with Sharingan. It's a default feature of Sharingan. He only appeared faster because he could now move his body in a relative manner to Lee's own Taijutsu movements.

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Of course Sasuke could not use any Ninjutsu in this particular instance, but this is a good example of superior speed that can overwhelm the Sharingan.Naruto SD is canon btw.

And this is also part of the reason Sasuke cannot keep up with G2 Luffy even if he has Sharingan. G2 uses different principles of inner body movement that only Luffy can, this on top of the fact that Luffy can stretch himself. No matter how good Sasukes Sharingan, he cannot copy the movements. At best, he can predict them like Enel did. But as with the snake sisters I mentioned, Luffy had overcome observation Haki reading not your movements but your thoughts with sheer speed alone. Sharingan is not topping that.

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In this particular instance, Lee outspeeds Naruto in his Bijuu Cloak and as you see above is blitzing even Madara. G2 Luffy is at least as fast and if not a whole lot faster than Lee is. He won't have trouble beating up Sasuke with or without Genjutsu to be honest.

- I don't know. If you turn relativity on, Haki should be available as a genjutsu counter.

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#39 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (31807 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 2: Sasuke has this. Luffy, or anyone in OP for the matter, has zero feats against harming illusions. Genjutsu ftw.

Round 1: This is a very good match.

What does luffy have in his favour?

Speed: Luffy's gear 2 is arguably as fast as gated lee, if not faster. Though sasuke was as fast as weights-off lee pre-ts, he doesn't have enough feats to say he has comparable speed. But he should be able to react when necessary. He has reacted to KNs, raikage, and so on.

Offensive output: I'd say luffy has enough strength to break normal susano. He might not be able to break the bigger, legged one, but sasuke only did that with naruto's chakra amp. Still, susano should keep sasuke in game.

Now, sasuke's fire techniques aren't hitting luffy any time soon. He's way too fast for that. Electricity is also useless, taking chidori and chidori nagashi out of equation, but cutting/piercing damage of chidori senbon/blade should do the trick. Still, the same problem, luffy's speed in gear 2.

Game changer is amaterasu. he can cover himself with enton, and every time luffy attacks susanoo, he's going to be badly damaged. And sooner or later, sasuke is going to focus on him. Game over..

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#41 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (31807 posts) - - Show Bio

@princearagorn1: agreed, but Sasuke never got an amp from Naruto

bijuu cloak. Naruto amped the entire shinobi alliance, including sasuke (and lee, as the scan above shows)

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#42 Posted by laidblack (1864 posts) - - Show Bio

@laidblack said:

@princearagorn1: agreed, but Sasuke never got an amp from Naruto

bijuu cloak. Naruto amped the entire shinobi alliance, including sasuke (and lee, as the scan above shows)

I knew what you mean, what I'm saying is Sasuke never got it.

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#43 Posted by Chibi_cute (5157 posts) - - Show Bio

Sasuke..

Susanoo is a real game changer for sasuke and amaterasu.

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#44 Edited by PrinceAragorn1 (31807 posts) - - Show Bio

@laidblack said:

@princearagorn1 said:

@laidblack said:

@princearagorn1: agreed, but Sasuke never got an amp from Naruto

bijuu cloak. Naruto amped the entire shinobi alliance, including sasuke (and lee, as the scan above shows)

I knew what you mean, what I'm saying is Sasuke never got it.

Of course he did:

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He also had juugo's senjutsu amp..

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#45 Posted by laidblack (1864 posts) - - Show Bio

@laidblack said:

@princearagorn1 said:

@laidblack said:

@princearagorn1: agreed, but Sasuke never got an amp from Naruto

bijuu cloak. Naruto amped the entire shinobi alliance, including sasuke (and lee, as the scan above shows)

I knew what you mean, what I'm saying is Sasuke never got it.

Of course he did:

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Must have missed that, when Karin is in a panel I just blackout lol

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#46 Posted by Superbot400 (427 posts) - - Show Bio

Luffy can probably dodge Amaterasu and break Susano'o. The issue is beating Amaterasu+Susano'o.

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This nothing luffy can do about that...

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#47 Posted by patrat18 (11637 posts) - - Show Bio

Saskue but not easy.

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#50 Posted by lowlaville (10317 posts) - - Show Bio

@thatguywithheadphones: Not really. Its just an issue with the translation. There are two different ones to be exact, one calls it black flames not Amaterasu, and one scan blatantly assumes its Amaterasu.

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The flames themselves are contradictory to what Amaterasu does. Amaterasu cannot be estinguished until the target has been burnt out. Enton is black flames that can be manipulated, given shape to etc. He can even weild Enton. This does not fit Amaterasu's description.