Monitor Mind the Overvoid vs Azathoth

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Azathoth mega blinks

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Overvoid sees creation as fiction

Azatoth sees it as Dream

So seems like stalemate

But I recently heard some weird controversial stuff about Azzy so outcome might change.

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Overvoid sees creation as fiction

Azatoth sees it as Dream

So seems like stalemate

But I recently heard some weird controversial stuff about Azzy so outcome might change.

Like what?

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@nwname said:
@lmaolmaolmao said:

Overvoid sees creation as fiction

Azatoth sees it as Dream

So seems like stalemate

But I recently heard some weird controversial stuff about Azzy so outcome might change.

Like what?

Not sure but I recently saw people discussing that Azatoth viewing reality as dream is headcannon

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this isnt a stalemate. More or less the overvoid is the canvas on which things are written. Azzzy more or less is a writer level veiwing that is as just a dream writers writing comics would be one of the thing. Overvoid isnt the supreme being while as Azzy casually dreams of supreme beings in verses.

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Azathoth wakes up and the Overvoid ceases to exist.

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this isnt a stalemate. More or less the overvoid is the canvas on which things are written. Azzzy more or less is a writer level veiwing that is as just a dream writers writing comics would be one of the thing. Overvoid isnt the supreme being while as Azzy casually dreams of supreme beings in verses.

Azathoth wakes up and the Overvoid ceases to exist.

Any proof? Id like to see a canon statement at least since that claim is apparently called headcanon and nothing more

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#9  Edited By God10000

Azathoth wins

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They are both tier 0

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Aren't both supposed to be like super-meta, boundless entities?

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@xebec said:

Aren't both supposed to be like super-meta, boundless entities?

my opinion = fax

ur opinion = creditless

I don't think Azathoth has anything meta related and boundless depends on what you define that as. Both are infinite.

OT: Based on what i read about these guys (not that much tbh) in the last year or so i think Overvoid doesn't reach transfinite level and Azathoth reaches at least the 2nd smallest infinite level so he should be well above overvoid.

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Stalemate

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Alovenus stomps both tbh.

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#15  Edited By Yesh-kun

Azathoth can't even fight, he's too busy hitting the sack. I doubt the Monitor Mind can fight either, its portrayed as being a largely passive entity in Final Crisis and in Rebirth's JL, being more of a substance and thing than a conscious being that could act.

So, basically, stalemate.

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Azathoth blinks.

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They are both tier 0

Not true. Monitor Mind is High 1-A, Azathoth is 0. Tier 0 is far superior to every tier, including High 1-A.

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@manofmanynames2: No they are definitely both tier 0, there statements about each other are contradictory as they are both stated to be omnipotent and transcend both fiction, the real world, concepts as a result they are both the same tier there is no way to put one above the other

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@manofmanynames2: No they are definitely both tier 0, there statements about each other are contradictory as they are both stated to be omnipotent and transcend both fiction, the real world, concepts as a result they are both the same tier there is no way to put one above the other

The Overvoid is also consistently stated to be a tool of The Writer. The Writer views the Overvoid as the paper and draws the DC Multiverse onto it. The Writer is Tier 0, Overvoid isn't.

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"TIER 0" Overvoid blinks.

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#21  Edited By SuperPrimeTime
@manofmanynames2 said:
@superprimetime said:

@manofmanynames2: No they are definitely both tier 0, there statements about each other are contradictory as they are both stated to be omnipotent and transcend both fiction, the real world, concepts as a result they are both the same tier there is no way to put one above the other

The Overvoid is also consistently stated to be a tool of The Writer. The Writer views the Overvoid as the paper and draws the DC Multiverse onto it. The Writer is Tier 0, Overvoid isn't.

Thats true but ultimately contradictory, it depends on the DC cosmology that you follow, for instance on the topic of the writer, the real world exists its earth-prime or earth 33 as a result the writer would be fiction. Even mentioning the writer writing on the overvoid or comic doesn’t mean it’s above the Overvoid as even Mxy and Batmite have been able to destroy the writers pencil or outright just take it, and they’ve even destroyed our universe, their is also the fact that the writer doesn’t even know there creations are real as seen when Superboy prime visited the DC writer and told them to stop writing him bad or leave him alone. I can mention the time animal man meet The Writer in limbo when he ran into Grant Morrison and he was not omnipotent. From my perspective The Writer can affect the Overvoid but to say it’s above it isn’t really true, the Overvoid has even called creation and therefore, the writers creation an infinitesimal imperfection and he considers all beings inside as germs to be eventually destroyed. In my opinion this could come down to a matter of perspective but I’ve personally never seen the writer do anything impressive to the Overvoid.