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#1 Posted by Terrortuga (2135 posts) - - Show Bio
Kaguya
Kaguya
Momoshiki
Momoshiki
  • Momoshiki with Kinshiki absorbed

  • Win by K.O. or death

  • Bloodlusted

  • Start 50m away from each other

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#2 Posted by decaf_wizard (9328 posts) - - Show Bio

If BFR is on Kaguya could just tp him away and there is no reason to assume he could get back. Even without bfr there is nothing he can do that she hasn't been seen doing better, aside from the whole ninjutsu absorbing/blasting back thing. And even then kaguya is immune to ninjutsu anyways.

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#3 Posted by Terrortuga (2135 posts) - - Show Bio

If BFR is on Kaguya could just tp him away and there is no reason to assume he could get back. Even without bfr there is nothing he can do that she hasn't been seen doing better, aside from the whole ninjutsu absorbing/blasting back thing. And even then kaguya is immune to ninjutsu anyways.

Bfr isn't on .

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#4 Posted by ALMIGHTY (2453 posts) - - Show Bio

Momoshiki's ability is hax & may be enough to KO Kaguya since he has no sealing feats

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#5 Posted by Terrortuga (2135 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump .

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#6 Posted by Terrortuga (2135 posts) - - Show Bio

Final Bump .

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#7 Posted by InFamous_Wolf (1423 posts) - - Show Bio

I haven't seen the Boruto movie yet. Feats for Momo?

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#8 Posted by Terrortuga (2135 posts) - - Show Bio

I haven't seen the Boruto movie yet. Feats for Momo?

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#10 Posted by Night4345 (8450 posts) - - Show Bio

Kaguya. More powerful and immortal. Momoshiki has nothing to stop her with.

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#11 Posted by Hulkage (4990 posts) - - Show Bio

Kaguya stomps

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#12 Edited by vintage_spiderman (6417 posts) - - Show Bio

Momoshiki is an entry lvl toptier/godtier at best. Actually scratch that he is top hightier. And the only reason why Sasuke was injured is because he was nerfed in that fight.....why would Sasuke use simple v1 ribcage when he has a v5 perfect susano'o amped by six paths chakra and teleportation and deva path and many other viable options for countering a small ct+fire\lava combination? The only logical explanation besides nerfing is that dimensional hopping made him very exhausted chakra wise.

Kaguya is top 2(currently) in the verse along with the threat hyped to be "beyond Kaguya" which no one has seen yet.

Kaguya crushes him with a vacuum palm barrage within a half a second into the fight gg.

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#14 Posted by MudaMudaMuda (5355 posts) - - Show Bio

And the only reason why Sasuke was injured is because he was nerfed in that fight.....why would Sasuke use simple v1 ribcage when he has a v5 perfect susano'o amped by six paths chakra and teleportation and deva path and many other viable options for countering a small ct+fire\lava combination? The only logically explanation besides nerfing is that dimensional hopping made him very exhausted chakra wise.

The second option is correct. Sasuke already stated that entering Kaguya's dimension weakens him considerably and here he had to teleport not only himself but several other people as well.

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#15 Posted by vintage_spiderman (6417 posts) - - Show Bio

@mudamudamuda: I had a feeling it was the likely answer. Just wasn't a 100% sure on whether or not he was being nerfed by plot......Momoshiki seemed way too inferior to other characters in the same tier(Toneri(tenseigan), Naruto(current & rsm), Madara(full power), Hago, etc..) to be capable of actually injuring Adult Sasuke with years to hone his skills and become more powerful via rinnegan mastery.

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#16 Posted by WF_Mxyzptlk (6794 posts) - - Show Bio

Kaguya, easily.

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#17 Posted by vintage_spiderman (6417 posts) - - Show Bio

Then again I've only seen bits and pieces of the film without any subs or dubbing to comprehend what the heck is going on. So maybe Momoshiki is deserving of the title toptier after all.

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#18 Posted by TheParadox (545 posts) - - Show Bio

But Momo can just absorb and absorb right? once he absorbs something, he keeps it.

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#19 Posted by DarkSlumber (426 posts) - - Show Bio

@theparadox: He can absorb any Ninjutsu like every Rinnegan but the dangerous thing about his ability is that any Jutsu he absorbs he can use it himself on a much grander scale and he keeps it forever.

However it's confirmed Momoshiki is Kaguya's Servant and he's just working for her.

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#20 Posted by andr413 (3310 posts) - - Show Bio

Kaguya.

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#21 Posted by TheParadox (545 posts) - - Show Bio
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#22 Posted by Hiddenlight (3749 posts) - - Show Bio

I can't understand this movie, Naruto still have the chakra from the bijuus and never used it since his last fight (But he did lost his Gudou Damas, against Sasuke and Kaguya) and him and Sasuke limited themselves to their most weak techniques in the fight against Momoshiki, what you're using Kishimoto?

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#23 Posted by DarkSlumber (426 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkslumber: Really? What source?

"Momoshiki then explains that both he and Kinshiki are retainers of the Ootsutsuki clan and they are sent to help fulfill Kaguya’s wish."

http://www.shonengamez.com/2015/08/07/boruto-naruto-the-movie-plot-and-report-warning-full-movie-spoilers/

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#24 Posted by Mugen_Tsukuyomi (421 posts) - - Show Bio

Kaguya lolstomps. Momo was a plot device.

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#26 Posted by Night4345 (8450 posts) - - Show Bio

@hiddenlight: him and Sasuke limited themselves to their most weak techniques in the fight against Momoshiki, what you're using Kishimoto?

Using Chakra techniques (besides I guess Bijuu and Susanoo modes) would just get sucked up and make Momoshiki more powerful.

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#29 Edited by Sage7Paths (3 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkslumber: thats false information Momoshiki never worked for kaguya that was a made up rumor. Kaguya was at war with Momoshiki because he was trying to recreate the fruit by stealing the power she stole from the juubi. She feared that momoshiki was going to succeed so she created the zetsu army to slow him down. Which sasuke stated in the little mini series against that villian shin. Thats why in the movie momoshiki was wondering where kaguya was not knowing that she already had died.

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#30 Posted by randell1985 (100 posts) - - Show Bio

@sage7paths: not entirely true for 1. she didn't actually steal power from the juubil the juubi is a creature that was the combination of Kaguya and the shinju it didn't exist before she came along. second of all the shinju wasn't actually a creature it was just a tree that was born in the blood of many wars it produced a super fruit once every thousand years that grants the person who eats it the ability to mold there physical energy and spiritual energy together to create chakra. the otsutsuki clan has the technology to create imitations of the shinju fruit. every time we see momoshiki absorb a technique and then convert it into those red fruit things. thats him creating an imitation of the fruit that kaguya ate. this is his only means of having chakra. thats what his goal was to do. to take and use kaguya's chakra to revive a long dead shinju from another planet. then eat the fruit from the tree to gain chakra permanently in the same way that kaguya done. and kaguya isn't actually dead. she was sealed away into the six paths chibaku tensei . the chakra pills that momoshiki used are medicines that grant him and those who eat them immortality as long as they can continue to eat them

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#31 Posted by Shadowmaster91 (2099 posts) - - Show Bio

@mudamudamuda: Would you consider this:

Power wise: Kaguya >>>> Momo

Combat wise: Momo>>>> Kaguya

Because it would be the only reason (in my opinion) for Kaguya fearing this guys....

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#32 Edited by KingZod (1555 posts) - - Show Bio

Kaguya easily

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#33 Posted by great_black_star (2223 posts) - - Show Bio

Both were dumbest character in Naruto for all I care.

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#34 Posted by MudaMudaMuda (5355 posts) - - Show Bio

@mudamudamuda: Would you consider this:

Power wise: Kaguya >>>> Momo

Combat wise: Momo>>>> Kaguya

Because it would be the only reason (in my opinion) for Kaguya fearing this guys....

No. And Kaguya fearing them was just an assumption. It's entirely possible that she wanted nothing to do with Momoshiki because he could absorb her dear chakra.

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#35 Posted by Shadowmaster91 (2099 posts) - - Show Bio

@mudamudamuda: Then what is your opinion over them? Kaguya in general more >>>> than Momo?

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#36 Posted by MudaMudaMuda (5355 posts) - - Show Bio
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#38 Posted by MudaMudaMuda (5355 posts) - - Show Bio

@mudamudamuda: I think that the problem was 2 against one.

That did not seem to bother her against Hagoromo and Hamura or Naruto and Sasuke.

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#39 Posted by Shadowmaster91 (2099 posts) - - Show Bio

@mudamudamuda: then what!, Hagoromo and Hamura only achieved in sealing her (and without knowing that it was her). She could have assumed that the other two were more powerful because they were her cousins (pure Ōtsutsuki)

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#40 Posted by Abyssdarkfire (1216 posts) - - Show Bio

Kaguya way stronger than monoshiki but she is just so dumb! Tbh they both just plot devices. Momoshiki was just hype and Kaguya was introduced because it was impossible for the team to beat the tactically superior Madara in Combat.

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#41 Posted by MudaMudaMuda (5355 posts) - - Show Bio

@mudamudamuda: then what!, Hagoromo and Hamura only achieved in sealing her (and without knowing that it was her). She could have assumed that the other two were more powerful because they were her cousins (pure Ōtsutsuki)

And she thought that an army of white Zetsu would be able to defeat people as strong as her because.... ?

No it is obvious that Kaguya wanted nothing to do with the guy who could absorb her chakra.

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#42 Posted by Shadowmaster91 (2099 posts) - - Show Bio

@mudamudamuda: Then why the extremes? Why an army of mooks that wouldn0t have chance?.... I think you are giving Kaguya too much credit in the strategic/mind deparment. She was an an all powerful idiot.

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#43 Posted by ReaperTheGrim (369 posts) - - Show Bio

@decaf_wizard: momoshiki had to travel from his planet to earth presumably through dimension jumping, as that is how sasuke and the kages got to there planet.

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#44 Posted by MudaMudaMuda (5355 posts) - - Show Bio

@mudamudamuda: Then why the extremes? Why an army of mooks that wouldn0t have chance?.... I think you are giving Kaguya too much credit in the strategic/mind deparment. She was an an all powerful idiot.

Why wouldn't the white Zetsu army have a chance ? God knows how many millions of them there originally was before Hagoromo broke the Mugen Tsukuyomi. And they are the perfect counter to Momoshiki since they don't use ninjutsu and can absorb chakra instead. Kinshiki is a different matter but even he wouldn't have infinite stamina.

And Kaguya was not stupid, just obsessed with chakra and underestimating her opponents.

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#45 Posted by Shadowmaster91 (2099 posts) - - Show Bio

@shadowmaster91 said:

@mudamudamuda: Then why the extremes? Why an army of mooks that wouldn0t have chance?.... I think you are giving Kaguya too much credit in the strategic/mind deparment. She was an an all powerful idiot.

Why wouldn't the white Zetsu army have a chance ? God knows how many millions of them there originally was before Hagoromo broke the Mugen Tsukuyomi. And they are the perfect counter to Momoshiki since they don't use ninjutsu and can absorb chakra instead. Kinshiki is a different matter but even he wouldn't have infinite stamina.

1° Remember that once become a Zetsu, the host canot return back to normal. So the number that we saw were only what Madara/Obito/Kabuto and Kaguya could achieve in making (showing that or Kaguya made that amount in the last years of her reign or it was very difficult to make them)

2° Was any Zetsu useful against Naruto/Sasuke (who at the time were the most near in level to Momo and Kinshi compared to the other shinobi during the war)?

And Kaguya was not stupid, just obsessed with chakra and underestimating her opponents.

Tell me, how many of the strategies used during her fight with Naruto were from herself and not from Zetsu?

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#46 Edited by MudaMudaMuda (5355 posts) - - Show Bio

@shadowmaster91:

1° Remember that once become a Zetsu, the host canot return back to normal. So the number that we saw were only what Madara/Obito/Kabuto and Kaguya could achieve in making (showing that or Kaguya made that amount in the last years of her reign or it was very difficult to make them)

My point is that if Hagoromo had not stopped the Mugen Tsukuyomi everyone trapped would have turned into a white Zetsu. According to Zetsu what we say are just the people that remained trapped inside of it, not everyone she tried to use it on. And by what kind of reasoning is it limited to just the ones we saw in the war ? Madara Mugen Tsukuyomi'd the entire planet and Zetsu stated that with time they would become white Zetsu.

2° Was any Zetsu useful against Naruto/Sasuke (who at the time were the most near in level to Momo and Kinshi compared to the other shinobi during the war)?

Both sasuke and Naruto only fought a very small number of Zetsu and Naruto just happened to have a hax that could one-shot any Zetsu by turning them into a tree. You keep on forgetting that momoshiki needs chakra pills and to absorb a jutsu to use it, he would have been useless against Zetsu that absorb chakra and don't use ninjutsu and it's ridiculous to think that Kinshiki no matter how strong he was would have been able to kill potentially several millions if not more of them before running out of stamina.

Tell me, how many of the strategies used during her fight with Naruto were from herself and not from Zetsu?

I really hate this silly argument. Kaguya had been sealed for close to a thousand years of course she would take advice from the pawn she left there to observe everything.

Not to mention that Black Zetsu IS kaguya. The will materialization jutsu just creates a weaker version of the user.

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#47 Posted by Shadowmaster91 (2099 posts) - - Show Bio

@mudamudamuda: If she were so intelligent and magnificent in strategy, then why only try to overpower Naruto and sasuke when she won the lottery of superpowers in Naruto's world. She could have done EVERYTHING any of the characters in Naruto could have done, and she didn't use this abilities to kill them.

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#48 Posted by MudaMudaMuda (5355 posts) - - Show Bio

@mudamudamuda: If she were so intelligent and magnificent in strategy, then why only try to overpower Naruto and sasuke when she won the lottery of superpowers in Naruto's world. She could have done EVERYTHING any of the characters in Naruto could have done, and she didn't use this abilities to kill them.

It's called Kishi sucking at writing. The exact same reason why Madara magically forgot that he could make clones and use every chakra nature, rinnegan ability and Kekkai genkai when naruto and Sasuke where fighting him.

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#49 Posted by Shadowmaster91 (2099 posts) - - Show Bio

@mudamudamuda: Madara at least has a reason. His personality has shown a sadistic pleasure on fighting until the other one (if he is strong enough) falls.

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@mudamudamuda: Madara at least has a reason. His personality has shown a sadistic pleasure on fighting until the other one (if he is strong enough) falls.

That makes no sense. Just because he likes to fight does not mean that he has to tank attacks instead of absorbing them. Just because he likes to fight, does not mean that he should stop using clones and benefiting from his Rinnegan shared-vision. Just because he likes to fight does not mean that he should not use jutsus that could give him the win.

This is the same as back when kishi introduced the Sharingan copying ability, but then decided to write if off because it obviously would have made certain characters over powered. Or like when he introduced Izanagi that could re-write reality then magically made Madara forget about it when Zetsu stabbed him. Or like when he gave Kaguya the ability to absorb every jutsu, then magically made her forget that she could when the plot called for it.

And the list goes on.