Momoshiki Ōtsutsuki vs Madara Uchiha

Well put. Its really refreshing to know that there still users in this site actually has understood the story well.

@ruthlesskiller: Soka...

@revold: I'm away from a computer atm, but expect a fat debunk later

@great_black_star: and it's saddening to see people with a basic understanding and fading memory of the story still exist here.

@hypebeastcsb15: no hes wrong about the Stomp but he wins against momoshiki

Momo, madara is a b compared to adult sasuke and naruto

Sage Madara with Third Eye puts him under Infinite Tsukuyomi.

Madara has so many ways to mop this dude. He has Sage mode so his moves will cause Damage regardless of absorbed. Plus he can drop meteors which I doubt Momoshiki could tank or destroy all. Limbos seal the deal as he can knock out multi tail beast with ease with one as well as swap places with them(limbo)

Also Truth Seeker orbs Plus Staff mop all his moves.

Madara blitz-murderstomps every boruto otsusuki like this

Feats Madara

Hype Momo

Also lol at people thinking Naruto lost SPSM

People are basing Naruto not having SPSM off simple apperances. This is the same problem with Gohan vs Dabura, and Gohan vs Movie 10 Broly, people don’t know if Gohan is SSJ1 or SSJ2 based on inconsistent visual effects of lightning and hairstyle.

When Naruto has the cross eyes with NO pigmentation around: his eyes, That’s Six paths sage mode not kcm / bm + sage mode. And as for his face not being visible, that's because during the war he didn't have the full nine tails ying yang, but after the war he got both halves of Kurama Yin Yang that's why his six paths sage mode is heavily influenced by the nine tails's chakra and looks more glowing like KCM / BM.

In terms of the orbs, they don't regenerate. Possibly because Naruto isn’t using all the Biju chakra at once like he was in the war.

Keep in mind when Naruto fought Madara, Kaguya, and Sasuke, the Biju were still all sealed but had a consciousness through the chakra they gave Naruto, this is how 5 Tails was able to give Naruto boil release jutsu to boost his strength against Kaguya, despite actually being sealed.

This chakra was given to Naruto through all the tailed beasts, so they are eternally connected through Naruto, the manga makes this clear. So Naruto will never lose SPSM, when he literally has a piece of chakra from every tailed beast, making him a pseudo ten tails jinchuriki.

Momoshiki loses

Madara grew up in times of conflict between Shinobis clans, the Uchiha is a war machine, Momoshiki is a noble clan alien not at the same level of skill as Madara a true warrior tested in many battles. the only Otsusuki that showed a high fighting ability and may even be better than Madara is Isshiki.

When it comes to power Madara is superior, the arguments that adult Sasuke and Naruto are more powerful are just fools, adult Sasuke and Naruto are more skilled not more powerful.

To say both are more powerful is headcanon

adult naruto is a huge dissapointment.

Madara destroys and Stomps Momoshiki.

Momoshiki was never comparable to Kaguya at all after reading everything for a couple of days Momoshiki would get solo Stomped By Kaguya. Adult Naruto is weaker than Madara, I keep asking people to show proof that Naruto trained after the War and all they can say is "Well, it's in Character" Or " Momoshiki is above Kaguya" Which are all False.

Momoshiki was comparable to a Weakened Kaguya after she gave her Chakra to her twin Sons, is when she started Making the Zetsu army to prep for OoTsutsuki invasion.

there is no denying this because it is stated in canon that Kaguya gave her powers to her children, and it even emphasized in the anime that she shared her chakra with her Kids as well.

I'm still waiting for proof that Naruto Trained and what type of Training did He do that would make him many times stronger and explain why he didn't just do this type of training from the start of the series.

Madara completely obliterates Momoshiki, Not only does it state Madara mastered all 5 Chakra Natures...but it also states that Madara has Yin-Yang Release as well.

@mygod000: Momo still beats madara.

Juudara eventually wins in a good fight. While Momoshiki is physically stronger and faster, he lacks any answer to Limbo or Juudara's immortality and regen, even if we assume he can see Limbo with the Rinnegan in his forehead he'd still be going up against 4 unharmable Juudaras and an immortal one with regen. Juudara's Perfect Susanoo should also be superior to Kurama avatar and that thing held it's own against Momoshiki's golem.

Okay let's do this one more time.

1. Adult Naruto is significantly stronger than his teen self, why?. Teen naruto feats are mostly huge DC feats with 50% Kyubi which his Adult self would replicate to an even higher level due to him having a 100% Kyubi and an increased pool of chakra via aging
2. What do you mean a weakened Kaguya was comparable to Momo. Where was this ever stated or implied??
3. Proof for Naruto training is sadly unavailable but remember he tanked a moon busting attack twice in the last which is better durability than his war arc self and he did it in about 50% KCM. While it was implied he got rusty, isn't that just his reaction speed that was being noted??
4. Madara can't beat Momo, mastering chakra natures is invalid in face of Momo or Jigen.

I'm not sure as to how you'll answer to this but I'll just ask you. Do you sincerely think that teen naruto would be able to replicate the Rasengan feat against Momo while being stuck with Black receivers that disrupt the flow of chakra?.

Oh and uh Momo curbs the ten tails people

Even Base Momo curbs.

Okay let's do this one more time.

1. Adult Naruto is significantly stronger than his teen self, why?. Teen naruto feats are mostly huge DC feats with 50% Kyubi which his Adult self would replicate to an even higher level due to him having a 100% Kyubi and an increased pool of chakra via aging

Stronger than Teen Naruto? Yes. Massively stronger? No. Nothing proves that adult Naruto got massively more powerful the only thing we can say is that He gained the full 9 tail which is Fodder compared to the 10 tails since it stated even all the tailed beast combined power is fodder to the Juubi. Try and be objective and unbias when debating, you said in your post there is no proof that Naruto Train...so if there is no proof then we can't say he got massively stronger only that he got stronger because he gained the full 9 tails.

2. What do you mean a weakened Kaguya was comparable to Momo. Where was this ever stated or implied??

I was reading the Databooks and in the character descriptions of Kaguya, it stated in chronological order the events of everything leading up to Kaguya Creating the Zetsu army. It stated that she gave her twin sons a portion of her powers...Then She started creating the Zetsu to make up for the power loss. Kaguya that created the Zetsu army was not full power Kaguya, and it also stated that she created the Zetsu Army Before she fused with Juubi and the God Tree.

The Kaguya who created the Zetsu army didn't even have the Juubi then or God Tree. it stated she fused with the Juubi and God Tree later on when she attempted to take her chakra back from her sons when they had a conflict of interest.

The Kaguya that was creating the Zetsu is massively Weaker than The Kaguya who Fought Hagoromo&Hamura.

3. Proof for Naruto training is sadly unavailable but remember he tanked a moon busting attack twice in the last which is better durability than his war arc self and he did it in about 50% KCM. While it was implied he got rusty, isn't that just his reaction speed that was being noted??

No, That attack wasn't even close to Moon busting it was Continental because it split a hollow moon.

in the Novels of Naruto the Last movie Raikage stated he was going to destroy the moon, which Kakashi begged him not to sacrifice Naruto.

4. Madara can't beat Momo, mastering chakra natures is invalid in face of Momo or Jigen.

wrong, that has nothing to do with what I am saying anything. Juubi is actually stated to be planet level entity, Momoshiki struggled with 50% Naruto. Momoshiki was even shocked by how powerful than 9 tails actually was and like I said above it pretty much verbatim stated not even all the tailed beast combined power is nothing to the Juubi.

Urashiki stated Senjutsu was dangerous to OOTsutsuki clan. Madara has Senjutsu so not really much Momoshiki can do here against him.

I'm not sure as to how you'll answer to this but I'll just ask you. Do you sincerely think that teen naruto would be able to replicate the Rasengan feat against Momo while being stuck with Black receivers that disrupt the flow of chakra?.

Possible since they have the Six paths Seals which was the bulk of the power Hagoromo gave to them which was powerful enough to be Kaguya feared Both Naruto and Sasuke and decided to separate them. Yes, I think Teen Naruto can Conjure up the power to defeat Momoshiki, but if Both Teen Naruto and Sasuke fight Momoshiki he will get sealed since it stated in the databook all Naruto and Sasuke has to do is touch you when the seals at the same time and it Game over it doesn't matter how powerful you are.

Obviously this is only meant to be applied in the Naruto verse I pretty sure it won't work outside their a verse. My point is, Teen Naruto and Sasuke have more versatility than there adult Version because of those Seals as long as they have them they can pretty much have a chance at defeating everyone in the naruto verse.

Ultimately I agree Adult Naruto and Sasuke are stronger than Teen Naruto and Sasuke, but what I disagree with is that they are massively more powerful because that hasn't even been proven or implied in the series at all. If we are talking about Teen Naruto and Sasuke at their strongest forms at the 2nd VOTE then I might give it to them to win.

To recap Kaguya Created the Zetsu army before she fused with Juubi and God Tree, so TheMomoshiki Statement doesn't apply to the Kaguya that Fought Hagoromo and Hamura.

Madara would destroy Momoshiki or Jigen easily. he far more powerful than Adult Naruto and Sasuke who Stomped Momoshiki easily when you think about it.

Momoshiki has no counter against TSB which Madara can block all of his Ninjutsu attacks, Madara can also absorb chakra as well and He has Limbo which Momoshiki has no counter for.

Momoshiki one shots. Add Kaguya and he still stomps.

No, he isn't, He couldn't even one shot the Kages. Hagoromo&Hamura would casually stomp Momoshiki.

Like I said it pretty much canon facts that Kaguya was creating the Zetsu army before she had the Juubi Power up and the God tree.

Madara destroys Momoshiki easily just like Naruto in base form did.

@mygod000:

No, he isn't, He couldn't even one shot the Kages. Hagoromo&Hamura would casually stomp Momoshiki.

Yes he did one shot the kages...

Like I said it pretty much canon facts that Kaguya was creating the Zetsu army before she had the Juubi Power up and the God tree.

It was after, plus she always had juubi power up, she prepared the army after she got the god tree.

Madara destroys Momoshiki easily just like Naruto in base form did.

Which never happened, base naruto only killed a weakened momoshiki.

No, he didn't The Kages got right Shortly after Naruto and Sasuke one-shotted him without even a scratch.

No, It stated in the databooks that ate the Chakra fruit which she shared her powers with her kids, then she started making the Zetsu army after she shared he chakra. She didn't fuse with the Juubi until Hagoromo and Hamura were adults, by that time she had been making the Zetsu army for almost 30 years.

Like I said The Kaguya who was making the Zetsu army is far weaker than the Kaguya who fought Hagoromo&Hamura.

LMFAO. you contradicted your self. first, you said naruto never did that then at the end of your sentence you said Naruto did that to a weakened Momoshiki. Everyone was weakened in that fight, Momoshiki still got one-shotted by Base Naruto.

Madara with the juubi would own Momoshiki, the Juubi is stated to be a planet level entity, Momoshiki doesn't scale to Kaguya because the Kaguya who was making the Zetsu Army didn't even have the Juubi or the God Tree Absorbed as she did against Hagoromo and Hamura, She didn't even absorb I.T at all either.

@mattyboi:

here is what The Character description of Kaguya in the databooks says.

Kaguya's desire to unite all chakra eventually turned her against Hagoromo and Hamura, her own twins, to whom she had dispersed her chakra while giving birth. Devising a plan to absorb their chakra, she integrated with the Divine Tree and challenged the twins to battle...

↑ The Ohtsutsuki brothers fighting an incarnation of the Divine Tree, Ten Tails. In truth, they were also doing battle with their mother.

The twins, assuming that Ten Tails was an incarnation of the Divine Tree, and that it had attacked them to recover the chakra from its stolen fruit, met it head on. After a desperate struggle, they invoked Six Paths Planetary Construction. Transforming it into the moon, they sealed it away.

It stated that she Dispersed Her Chakra while Giving Birth.

It stated she was Devising a plan to Take Back Her Chakra from Hagoromo and Hamura, and as I said this is them as Adult, She started the Zetsu army before Hagoromo and Hamura was born.

Right Before Hagoromo and Hamura were born she ate the Chakra fruit to accelerate her Dojutsu and powers then she hit everyone with I.T and started making the army.

She didn't fuse with the Ten tails until Hagoromo and Hamura were adults. this was also shown in the anime to be accurate.

So, yes Kaguya, when she was making the Zetsu army, was weaker than the Kaguya who fought Hagoromo by a massive amount.

No, Momoshiki isn't stronger than Kaguya. and the Kaguya who was creating the Zetsu army was weakened after dispersing her power with her Kids.

@mygod000:

No, he didn't The Kages got right Shortly after Naruto and Sasuke one-shotted him without even a scratch.

The kages were shown knocked out in both manga and anime. They get back up 20 minutes later. Also naruto and sasuke never one shotted him, momoshiki was tanking multiple attacks from them, you must not know what one shotting is.

No, It stated in the databooks that ate the Chakra fruit which she shared her powers with her kids, then she started making the Zetsu army after she shared he chakra. She didn't fuse with the Juubi until Hagoromo and Hamura were adults, by that time she had been making the Zetsu army for almost 30 years.

She didnt make the army after sharing chakra, it was before that. Which is irrelevant since she still needed the army even with hagoromo and hamura there to help fight, which would be far above full power kaguya.

Like I said The Kaguya who was making the Zetsu army is far weaker than the Kaguya who fought Hagoromo&Hamura.

It's literally the same kaguya who fought hagoromo and hamura..

LMFAO. you contradicted your self. first, you said naruto never did that then at the end of your sentence you said Naruto did that to a weakened Momoshiki. Everyone was weakened in that fight, Momoshiki still got one-shotted by Base Naruto.

Momoshiki was still weakened tho, and wasnt near full power, to the point where his pills were giving him insane boosts, same pills who base momoshiki saw as fodder. So this logic wont work here. If we go by the logic that base naruto> momoshiki, then base naruto would also be able to casually one shot kaguya and juubidara.

Madara with the juubi would own Momoshiki, the Juubi is stated to be a planet level entity, Momoshiki doesn't scale to Kaguya because the Kaguya who was making the Zetsu Army didn't even have the Juubi or the God Tree Absorbed as she did against Hagoromo and Hamura, She didn't even absorb I.T at all either.

The juubi was stated to be planet sized, which in itself is wrong. Which is irrelevant since base momoshiki casually goes around destroying planets he sees as fodder for fun in the novels. So planet level wouldnt even be impressive to momoshiki.

No, She was going to use the Zetsu Army for Momoshiki and Kinishiki. As a matter of fact Hagoromo and Hamura are far more powerful than Momoshiki and Kinshiki, because Kaguya instantly decided to fuse with the god Tree and Juubi to fight Both of them when she was merely going to have the Zetsu army fight Momoshiki and Kinishiki.

explain to me in what world is white Zetsu more powerful than the Juubi when Fodder level Neji and Hinata were able to fight and solo Many Zetsu on a night in night out bases? Not only that the shinobi alliance even with lesser numbers defeated the zetsu army, Hashirama and the Hokages were needed to restrict the Juubi moments and even then Hashirama by himself can solo Zetsu Army.

again you are using headcanon just like you were doing in the other thread, it was never said that Hagoromo was going to help fight them...everyone was saying Kaguya was stupid because all she needed to do was tell Hagoromo and Hamura about what was up and they would have casaully defeated Momoshiki. yes, they would have Hagoromo and Hamura have the Yin+yang Seals six path sealing which stripes away your powers and seals all things in the naruto universe.

If Naruto and Sasuke had that against Momoshiki the fight would have only lasted 2mins.

No, she ate the Fruit while she was about to give birth then she shared her chakra with her kids, before they were born she was already creating the Zetsu army from the people who she trapped in I.T even in the anime it shows this and backs up the databooks that Kaguya was pretty much at her weakest when she was deseperate creating the Zetsu army after giving a good chunk on her powers to her kids. No, only that, Hagoromo&hamura got Curious about the God Tree because it had been going on ever since he and Hamura was little.

No, it wasn't the same Kaguya because she didn't fuse with the Juubi until she fought Hagoromo and Hamura. how are you going to compare a Juubi-Less Kaguya to Kaguya who fused with the Juubi? it's like Comparing Rinnegan Hagoromo to JJ Hagoromo. unless you think Jigen with the Juubi Absorbed=Jigen without the Juubi we can confirm that Kaguya when she fought Hagoromo was much more powerful.

so Was Naruto when he Killed Momoshiki in base so your point is irrelevant.

@mygod000:

No, She was going to use the Zetsu Army for Momoshiki and Kinishiki. As a matter of fact Hagoromo and Hamura are far more powerful than Momoshiki and Kinshiki, because Kaguya instantly decided to fuse with the god Tree and Juubi to fight Both of them when she was merely going to have the Zetsu army fight Momoshiki and Kinishiki.

The god tree is seen as fodder to momoshiki, and kaguya already had the juubi before fighting hagoromo and hamura, which is irrelevant since she felt she needed help from an army just to stand a chance against momoshiki, and wasnt confident in beating them by herself and with her sons.

explain to me in what world is white Zetsu more powerful than the Juubi when Fodder level Neji and Hinata were able to fight and solo Many Zetsu on a night in night out bases? Not only that the shinobi alliance even with lesser numbers defeated the zetsu army, Hashirama and the Hokages were needed to restrict the Juubi moments and even then Hashirama by himself can solo Zetsu Army.

Who said the zetsu army is more powerful than the juubi?

again you are using headcanon just like you were doing in the other thread, it was never said that Hagoromo was going to help fight them...everyone was saying Kaguya was stupid because all she needed to do was tell Hagoromo and Hamura about what was up and they would have casaully defeated Momoshiki. yes, they would have Hagoromo and Hamura have the Yin+yang Seals six path sealing which stripes away your powers and seals all things in the naruto universe.

If kaguya told them about what was happening, they would go after momoshiki, then have gotten wrecked, kaguya knew this, so she didnt tell them about it in order to keep them safe. The seal wouldnt land either, since momoshiki would be wrecking them.

If Naruto and Sasuke had that against Momoshiki the fight would have only lasted 2mins.

True, since it would land for naruto and sasuke. And naruto and sasuke are far stronger than kaguya at this point.

No, she ate the Fruit while she was about to give birth then she shared her chakra with her kids, before they were born she was already creating the Zetsu army from the people who she trapped in I.T even in the anime it shows this and backs up the databooks that Kaguya was pretty much at her weakest when she was deseperate creating the Zetsu army after giving a good chunk on her powers to her kids. No, only that, Hagoromo&hamura got Curious about the God Tree because it had been going on ever since he and Hamura was little.

Kaguya was making the army before that, which is irrelevant since hagoromo and hamura were there on earth and she was still afraid and needed the army.

No, it wasn't the same Kaguya because she didn't fuse with the Juubi until she fought Hagoromo and Hamura. how are you going to compare a Juubi-Less Kaguya to Kaguya who fused with the Juubi? it's like Comparing Rinnegan Hagoromo to JJ Hagoromo. unless you think Jigen with the Juubi Absorbed=Jigen without the Juubi we can confirm that Kaguya when she fought Hagoromo was much more powerful.

Kaguya is the juubi... and always had it... this is stated multiple times both in anime and manga.

so Was Naruto when he Killed Momoshiki in base so your point is irrelevant.

Momoshiki was far more weakened, unless you think base naruto(that can kill momoshiki)>>>>susanno kurama fusion naruto and sasuke(that cant kill momoshiki).

No it isn't Because Both Sasuke's susanoo and Naruto's Kamura are weaker than Juubi. Naruto and sasuke with those form one shotted Momoshiki.

@mygod000:

No it isn't Because Both Sasuke's susanoo and Naruto's Kamura are weaker than Juubi. Naruto and sasuke with those form one shotted Momoshiki.

Even naruto's base form is above the juubi, since in sage mode he can one shot juubidara, who is FAR stronger than the juubi. Let alone kurama and susanno forms. Momoshiki also wasnt one shotted, he had taken a bunch of damage before he got hit by it.

Nope, That was naruto using Sage Mode which are weakness of the juubi. Susanoo only give you makes you comparable to Bijuu and rival them in power. as it stated juubi power is immesurable, it doesn't have a set power it can't be messured because it power comes from the planet which it can manipulate and make itself far more powerful just like Kamura did for Naruto.

as Databooks states all 1-9 tails Beast power combined are fodder to Juubi. Momoshiki struggled with 8 tails and needed to use hax to beat it.

@mygod000:

Nope, That was naruto using Sage Mode which are weakness of the juubi. Susanoo only give you makes you comparable to Bijuu and rival them in power. as it stated juubi power is immesurable, it doesn't have a set power it can't be messured because it power comes from the planet which it can manipulate and make itself far more powerful just like Kamura did for Naruto.

Sage mode doesnt make juubis weak, it's just the only thing they cant counter. So sage mode naruto would be far stronger than the juubi.

Madara's susanno is comparable to bijuu, sasuke's is far stronger. Juubi being immeasurable means you cant measure it, therefore you cannot say it can make itself more powerful, nor can you say how powerful it is.

as Databooks states all 1-9 tails Beast power combined are fodder to Juubi. Momoshiki struggled with 8 tails and needed to use hax to beat it.

1. Databooks are proven wrong time and time again.

2. Momoshiki never struggled with the ten tails, and only used hax because of common sense and that he literally wanted the chakra, therefore had to use hax to get chakra.

No, it says Susanoo in general has nothing to do with Madara. its stated in the Databooks that completed Sunsaoo gives you comparable powers to Bijuu.

you've have been proven wrong as well many times. the fact is, Momoshiki struggled with 8 tails in his fight.

I never said Sage mode Made juubi weak, i said sage mode is a weakness of the Juubi. when you take in the Juubi you basically become OOTsutsuki, and gain horns like them. As Urashiki stated Sage Mode is a Dangerous moves to OOTsutsuki.

Like I said Juubi has immesureable powers, momoshiki doesn't he was stopped by Shikamaru who can hold him down with Shadow possession.

Juubi>=Adult Hagoromo&Hamura.

Adult Hagoromo>>>Adult Hamura>>>>>>>>Adult Naruto and Sasuke>>Momoshiki

@mygod000:

No, it says Susanoo in general has nothing to do with Madara. its stated in the Databooks that completed Sunsaoo gives you comparable powers to Bijuu.

It's referring to madara's susanno, plus all susanno arent equal, this is debunked multiple times in the series.

you've have been proven wrong as well many times. the fact is, Momoshiki struggled with 8 tails in his fight.

No he didnt, he casually stomped it. You never debunked this.

I never said Sage mode Made juubi weak, i said sage mode is a weakness of the Juubi. when you take in the Juubi you basically become OOTsutsuki, and gain horns like them. As Urashiki stated Sage Mode is a Dangerous moves to OOTsutsuki.

You get horns because you become like the juubi, the juubi originates from an otsutsuki. Sage mode doesnt do anything to juubi, it's just the only thing they cant counter. Tho the juubi is far different from otsutsuki.

Like I said Juubi has immesureable powers, momoshiki doesn't he was stopped by Shikamaru who can hold him down with Shadow possession.

This has been debunked countless times, momoshiki casually absorbed the jutsu. Also you dont need immeasurable power to be stronger than the juubi. Namek saga Goku's power can be measured, but he's far stronger than the juubi. Plus otsutsuki can actually tell the chakra levels of the juubi. Earth(with kaguya and the juubi) has a chakra level of 10.

Juubi>=Adult Hagoromo&Hamura.

Adult Hagoromo>>>Adult Hamura>>>>>>>>Adult Naruto and Sasuke>>Momoshiki

This scaling is wrong for many reasons.

Sage mode naruto can one shot someone above the juubi, so that alone debunks it

it was never debunked...because no everyone in the uchiha clan used Sunsaoo. so no it wasn't debunked.

once they Get completed Susanoo there powers is already powerful enough destroy moutains which rivals Bijuu powers since they are mountain busters.

The power of the "Mangekyo Sharingan" is able to activate incredible ninjutsu.Enormous chakra clad jutsu materialize, towering over the mountains( exceeding the height of the mountains), taking authority over battlefield to its hands(changing the flow of battle).Appearance of the complete jutsu differs in accordance to the user.Moreover for users that are good at ninjutsu "Susano'o"themselves,becomes possible to enter/trigger the invocation of the complete body(kanseitai).Furthermore Susano'o in next form can wear special armor which can shape/turn on wings that allow it to fly.

Picture: the great complete Susano'o cutting strength that can cut-off mountain peaks,is easily enough to shut down even iron hard resistance (or is enough to make even iron-hard enemies to forfeit the battle).

once they Get EMS any Uchiha can fly and cut Mountains down with Sunsanoo.

EMS Sasuke and EMS Madara could already use Sunsanoo to fly and cut Mountains, which rivals the Bijuu in powers.

susanoo is just Chakra clad Jutsu that they can change the shape of when ever they want.

No, Momoshiki didn't casually defeat him, he needed to cheat to defeat him. which proves my point that it wasn't casaul if you need to cheat.

he used 8 tails Jutsu and fired it back at him to beat him.

Madara can beat all the 1-9 tailed beast with pure strength alone. while Momoshiki used there jutsu and fired it back at them to beat them. two different things.

No, it stated Verbatim that Sage Jutsu is the only then that Damage Juubi.

Cursed mark adds the senjutsu power!

Sasuke's cursed seal release ability,is the ability that originated from the Juugo s original cursed seal chakra. Senjutsu Susano'o is the Susano'o that has the nature energy power given from the cursed seal. People who tamed the Juubi power can be damaged only by nature energy, cursed seal chakra Susano'o made Sasuke s attacks land.

People who Tamed the Juubi power can be damaged only by Nature energy.

yes, Sage Mode is a weakness because it damages them, just like Sage mode is Dangerous to OOTsutsuki because they never seen such a jutsu.

we are not debating DBZ Vs Naruto, we are talking Naruto Vs Naruto. in Naruto Juubi's power is immersurable and stated his power is absolute.

Top-Right Caption:

Kurama: “You’ll just measure… that it can’t be measured.”

Description: Earth… water… air… The Ten-Tails manipulates natural energy that circulates around the world. Such power is immeasurable…

Top-Left Caption:

(right-hand bubble): “The Ten-Tails has been revived!!”

(left bubble): “Gwoohhhh(!!!)”

Description: Previously sealed on the moon, the Gedo Statue contains the chakra of all the Tailed Beasts. The time of revival approaches.

Bottom-right caption:

(bubble): “The eye inside the flower will reflect on the moon above”

Description: Opening the Divine Tree’s flower was the key to executing the “Moon Eye Plan”.

Bottom left caption:

Description: The Ten-Tails’ ferociousness escalates even more after evolving into its second form. The Allied Shinobi Forces’ HQ was completely annihilated when it fired the powerful Tailed Beast Ball.

the ten tails manipulates the natural energy that circulates around the world, Such power is immeasurable.

Main Text

The progenitor of everything in existence – the entity known as the “Divine Tree” threatens the world’s demise!!

Although the origin of chakra, this Demon Beast, stronger and more evil than any other, brings the world to an end. The Ten-Tails’ true form is the “Divine Tree” that bore the “Chakra Fruit”, and it is said that it transformed into a monster in order to reclaim the fruit that Kaguya stole. Its power is absolute and even the combined power of all the Tailed Beasts is no match for it. The destruction it causes is on the scale of a natural disaster…!!

yes, the Ten tails is planet level like I keep telling you. the Ten Tails power is absolute and even the Combined powers of all the tailed Beast is no match for it.

No, the scaling is right because the Juubi is planet level easily, Naruto and Sasuke who are not even close to planet level smacked Momoshiki and one shotted him.

@mygod000:

it was never debunked...because no everyone in the uchiha clan used Sunsaoo. so no it wasn't debunked.

Itachi has susanno, Sasuke has it, Madara has it. Unless you think itachi's susanno is equal to madara's susanno.

once they Get completed Susanoo there powers is already powerful enough destroy moutains which rivals Bijuu powers since they are mountain busters.

Mountains are fodder to top tier naruto characters.

EMS Sasuke and EMS Madara could already use Sunsanoo to fly and cut Mountains, which rivals the Bijuu in powers.

EMS Sasuke cant use perfect susanno, he only got it when he got the rinnegan. Sasuke was already nine tails level with ems, and he didnt have perfect susanno.

No, Momoshiki didn't casually defeat him, he needed to cheat to defeat him. which proves my point that it wasn't casaul if you need to cheat.

He used the rinnegan.. how is that cheating? I guess madara cheats for every fight, by this logic he needed to cheat against sakura, who he couldnt even beat.

he used 8 tails Jutsu and fired it back at him to beat him.

He didnt fire it back, that would've killed bee, when momoshiki needed him alive. Momoshiki only fired it back against naruto.

Madara can beat all the 1-9 tailed beast with pure strength alone. while Momoshiki used there jutsu and fired it back at them to beat them. two different things.

Momoshiki never fired it back, he kept it till he fought naruto. He physically restrained bee and sucked out all his chakra, then saw it as fodder.

No, it stated Verbatim that Sage Jutsu is the only then that Damage Juubi.

Which is debunked when Sasuke can cut madara in half without sage jutsu, Sakura can harm kaguya without sage jutsu, Might guy can nearly kill juubidara without sage jutsu, the list goes on and on.

People who Tamed the Juubi power can be damaged only by Nature energy.

Which is debunked above.

yes, Sage Mode is a weakness because it damages them, just like Sage mode is Dangerous to OOTsutsuki because they never seen such a jutsu.

This doesnt debunk that sage naruto one shotted him, and momoshiki scales far above that.

we are not debating DBZ Vs Naruto, we are talking Naruto Vs Naruto. in Naruto Juubi's power is immersurable and stated his power is absolute.

No one is debating DBZ, im using an example of something thats measureable being far above the juubi. His power isnt absolute, since sage mode naruto one shotted juubidara.

yes, the Ten tails is planet level like I keep telling you. the Ten Tails power is absolute and even the Combined powers of all the tailed Beast is no match for it.

It's not planet level, it's shown no feats on that level, and has no statements on it. By this logic base naruto would be casually planet level, and sage naruto would be FAR above this. Which is irrelevant since momoshiki casually destroys planets and sees them as fodder.

No, the scaling is right because the Juubi is planet level easily, Naruto and Sasuke who are not even close to planet level smacked Momoshiki and one shotted him.

Well sage mode naruto one shotted juubidara, who is far above the juubi. And he only gets 10x stronger in BSM, so..

Also momoshiki in base form can casually go around destroying planets and seeing them as fodder.

Itachi has susanno, Sasuke has it, Madara has it. Unless you think itachi's susanno is equal to madara's susanno.

Madara is stronger than Itachi and Sasuke, so clearly they wouldn't equal Madara. what I said is that it gives you bijuu level power ups which is does.

Mountains are fodder to top tier naruto characters.

Sure. Bijuu can casaully destroy multi- Mountains.

which Sunsanoo rivals

EMS Sasuke cant use perfect susanno, he only got it when he got the rinnegan. Sasuke was already nine tails level with ems, and he didnt have perfect susanno.

he actually can use it since it an EMS ability.

He used the rinnegan.. how is that cheating? I guess madara cheats for every fight, by this logic he needed to cheat against sakura, who he couldnt even beat.

Because he had Kinishiki there to help him, and yes it was cheating since he used his foes Attack and fired it back at him. Madara used pure strength against the Tailed Beast since the Limbo with 1 strike knocked out all the tailed beasts and the Limbo strength equals that of Madara.

He didnt fire it back, that would've killed bee, when momoshiki needed him alive. Momoshiki only fired it back against naruto.

he did fired it back at Killer Bee.

Which is debunked when Sasuke can cut madara in half without sage jutsu, Sakura can harm kaguya without sage jutsu, Might guy can nearly kill juubidara without sage jutsu, the list goes on and on.

Sasuke used Lighting Released sage sword attack against Madara which cut him.

she didn't harm her she just punched her it was never stated Kaguya was hurt by it. Might Guy needed help just to Touch Madara, and that Was Madara without God Tree which is part of the Juubi anyways.

Which is debunked above.

not really at all, you left out information in your posts which I expanded on. Sakura Never harmed Kaguya, so your post about her is irrelevant. Sasuke needed six paths power and Lightning release to cut Madara which is irrelevant and doesn't prove anything because at the end he was using chakra he gained from Hagoromo who has six paths powers, Guy needed help to touch Madara and that Madara was missing part of the Juubi the God Tree which is a part of the Juubi.

No one is debating DBZ, im using an example of something thats measureable being far above the juubi. His power isnt absolute, since sage mode naruto one shotted juubidara.

it irrelevant because you are using two different universes. Goku in Namek sage leagues above Planet level. so I don't see your point there, in bring him up when sure he is more powerful than juubi because he has far more power than a planet. I am talking about people in Naruto Vs don't have planet power so they are not above the Juubi.

Sage Mode is a Weakness of the juubi.

It's not planet level, it's shown no feats on that level, and has no statements on it. By this logic base naruto would be casually planet level, and sage naruto would be FAR above this. Which is irrelevant since momoshiki casually destroys planets and sees them as fodder.

that because Obito and Madara was preseving it powers for I.T

stated Obito wanted to preserve the Juubi's power as much as possible.

I said it power is immesurable not unlimited.

there were not trying to show Planet level power with the juubi they were just testing out for a bit before they activate the Moons eye plan.

Obito with Juubi is stated he has the power to end the world.

Well sage mode naruto one shotted juubidara, who is far above the juubi. And he only gets 10x stronger in BSM, so..

Also momoshiki in base form can casually go around destroying planets and seeing them as fodder.

because he used the Madara weakness as the juubi they are weak against Sage Jutsu attacks because it able to damage and hurt them badly.

No, Momoshiki couldn't do that, he isn't planet level and neither is naruto and sasuke who smacked Momoshiki and one shotted him. Momoshiki would have used this "planet" busting powers if he had them instead of getting knocked around like a pingbong ball by Kages and Naruto.

Madara is stronger than Itachi and Sasuke, so clearly they wouldn't equal Madara. what I said is that it gives you bijuu level power ups which is does.

Sasuke is far stronger than any version of madara, but itachi is fodder.

Sure. Bijuu can casaully destroy multi- Mountains.

which Sunsanoo rivals

We know.

he actually can use it since it an EMS ability.

No he can't, he could only use it when he got the rinnegan.

Because he had Kinishiki there to help him, and yes it was cheating since he used his foes Attack and fired it back at him. Madara used pure strength against the Tailed Beast since the Limbo with 1 strike knocked out all the tailed beasts and the Limbo strength equals that of Madara.

Kinshiki didnt do anything, he just stood there. He didnt even fire the TBB back until he fought naruto, so that argument doesnt work. Limbos are fodder, limbos are equal to shadow clones, who are fodder to naruto himself, who momoshiki kept up with.

he did fired it back at Killer Bee.

Anime only, in manga and novels its stated he used the TBB against naruto. Plus that proves nothing even if he did fire it back.

Sasuke used Lighting Released sage sword attack against Madara which cut him.

she didn't harm her she just punched her it was never stated Kaguya was hurt by it. Might Guy needed help just to Touch Madara, and that Was Madara without God Tree which is part of the Juubi anyways.

Sasuke didnt use a sage sword, he used normal lightning.

Sakura did harm her, she literally cracks kaguya's horn and nearly breaks her neak. The god tree isnt part of the juubi lol. And you didnt debunk that might guy hurt madara, so i assume you concede.

not really at all, you left out information in your posts which I expanded on. Sakura Never harmed Kaguya, so your post about her is irrelevant. Sasuke needed six paths power and Lightning release to cut Madara which is irrelevant and doesn't prove anything because at the end he was using chakra he gained from Hagoromo who has six paths powers, Guy needed help to touch Madara and that Madara was missing part of the Juubi the God Tree which is a part of the Juubi.

Sakura cracked kaguya's horn.

Sasuke didnt use sage jutsu.

Guy harmed madara and didnt need any help, only needed help to avoid attacks, which has nothing to do with him attacking. The god tree isnt part of the juubi.

it irrelevant because you are using two different universes. Goku in Namek sage leagues above Planet level. so I don't see your point there, in bring him up when sure he is more powerful than juubi because he has far more power than a planet. I am talking about people in Naruto Vs don't have planet power so they are not above the Juubi.

Sage Mode is a Weakness of the juubi.

Yes they do, momoshiki casually goes around destroying planets, not like they would need it, since the juubi is only multi continental with wank.

Sage mode isnt a weakness, just something it cant counter, so sage naruto is far above the juubi.

I said it power is immesurable not unlimited.

there were not trying to show Planet level power with the juubi they were just testing out for a bit before they activate the Moons eye plan.

Headcanon, since the juubi has no planet level feats or statements.

Obito with Juubi is stated he has the power to end the world.

Nowhere does that state it can destroy the planet...

End the world can mean many different things.

because he used the Madara weakness as the juubi they are weak against Sage Jutsu attacks because it able to damage and hurt them badly.

You would need more power or comparable power to badly hurt the juubi with sage jutsu, if not, hagoromo wouldnt be needed and base sage mode naruto would be able to solo juubidara and kaguya casually.

No, Momoshiki couldn't do that, he isn't planet level and neither is naruto and sasuke who smacked Momoshiki and one shotted him. Momoshiki would have used this "planet" busting powers if he had them instead of getting knocked around like a pingbong ball by Kages and Naruto.

Momoshiki casually goes around one shotting planets. Momoshiki did use the planet busting powers, but naruto and sasuke were stronger, kages got fodderized tho.

No sasuke isn't because like I said sasuke is only multi-Country.

Madara with Juubi is planet level. Momoshiki never did that, we see him in combat and he didn't destroy not 1 planet in his base.

The Kages were blocking all of these "planet" level attacks of Momoshiki and had him on the run.

Base Naruto one shotted Momoshiki, something he can't do against Madara. Nope naruto and sasuke are not stronger than planet busters...they are only Multi-country.

Kaguya, Madara, Hagoromo, Hamura all these guys are way above Momoshiki. army of Zetsu are enough take down Momoshiki. God Tree is the Juubi's True form.

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No sasuke isn't because like I said sasuke is only multi-Country.

Then Juubidara and kaguya would only be small country level in durability.

Madara with Juubi is planet level. Momoshiki never did that, we see him in combat and he didn't destroy not 1 planet in his base.

Madara with the juubi is barely small continental. Momoshiki casually goes around busting planets with a single punch in base.

Star is a mistranslation for planet.

The Kages were blocking all of these "planet" level attacks of Momoshiki and had him on the run.

Kages blocked one random blade, sure. They never blocked a physical attack though, which is what he was using to destroy planets, when momoshiki punched them, they got wrecked.

Base Naruto one shotted Momoshiki, something he can't do against Madara. Nope naruto and sasuke are not stronger than planet busters...they are only Multi-country.

Base naruto never one shotted momoshiki, he needed multiple combos with sasuke's help, and fusion kurama susanno, THEN kill him with the rasengan. If naruto and sasuke are only multi country then madara would be small country level, and kaguya large country level, since even teen RBSM naruto can blitz off kaguya's arm and obliterate her body.

God Tree is the Juubi's True form.

Wrong. If this is the case then momoshiki would have dozens of juubi.

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No sasuke isn't because like I said sasuke is only multi-Country.

Then Juubidara and kaguya would only be small country level in durability.

Madara with Juubi is planet level. Momoshiki never did that, we see him in combat and he didn't destroy not 1 planet in his base.

Madara with the juubi is barely small continental. Momoshiki casually goes around busting planets with a single punch in base.

Star is a mistranslation for planet.

The Kages were blocking all of these "planet" level attacks of Momoshiki and had him on the run.

Kages blocked one random blade, sure. They never blocked a physical attack though, which is what he was using to destroy planets, when momoshiki punched them, they got wrecked.

Base Naruto one shotted Momoshiki, something he can't do against Madara. Nope naruto and sasuke are not stronger than planet busters...they are only Multi-country.

Base naruto never one shotted momoshiki, he needed multiple combos with sasuke's help, and fusion kurama susanno, THEN kill him with the rasengan. If naruto and sasuke are only multi country then madara would be small country level, and kaguya large country level, since even teen RBSM naruto can blitz off kaguya's arm and obliterate her body.

God Tree is the Juubi's True form.

Wrong. If this is the case then momoshiki would have dozens of juubi.

No, the Juubi is planet level. Momoshiki didn't use none of this in combat and was getting solo by Kages so that Novel is irrelevant. he durablity is trash as well since He nearly died from punches from Kages and Naruto.

base Naruto Killed Momoshiki Debunks any of that planet level trash.

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No, the Juubi is planet level. Momoshiki didn't use none of this in combat and was getting solo by Kages so that Novel is irrelevant. he durablity is trash as well since He nearly died from punches from Kages and Naruto.

Lol your argument is baseless, the juubi is country level maybe small continental by feats. Momoshiki was stomping the kages, the kages didnt even land a single hit on momoshiki, he was dodging them. And he was using the power, naruto and sasuke were just stronger than it.

base Naruto Killed Momoshiki Debunks any of that planet level trash.

Killed a weakened momoshiki. Full power momoshiki was wrecking full kurama avatar naruto, unless you think base naruto is above Rikudo sage mode naruto and sasuke, because them in their strongest forms combined couldnt even kill full power momoshiki. Even then, that doesnt debunk anything, it would only make base hokage naruto planet level if we're going by that logic.

it not baseless because Hagoromor and Everyone all said this in the Naruto the Last Novels as we as Toneri stated this as well when he was talking to hinata.

Toneri stated the Juubi has the power to end the world easily. Hagoromo stated Juubi has the power to end the world easily, the databooks states Juubi has the power to end the world easily, 9 tails stated the Juubi has the power to end the world easily.

everyone who mentioned the juubi stated it can destroy the world. Kages Were smacking Momoshiki around buddy, he was running the whole battle until Kinishiki gave him more power then weak Base Naruto one shotted him before casaully one shotted him with sasuke.

that was Naruto who was getting his power drained for hours...now think what a 100% Naruto would have done to Momoshiki he would have wrecked him even more.

Naruto in that fight didn't even do Country level Destruction since you want to say that.

@mygod000Naruto in that fight didn't even do Country level Destruction since you want to say that.:

it not baseless because Hagoromor and Everyone all said this in the Naruto the Last Novels as we as Toneri stated this as well when he was talking to hinata.

Toneri never states the ten tails can destroy a planet..

Toneri stated the Juubi has the power to end the world easily. Hagoromo stated Juubi has the power to end the world easily, the databooks states Juubi has the power to end the world easily, 9 tails stated the Juubi has the power to end the world easily.

Power to end the world =/= destroy a planet. It's way different. Ending the world would mean causing mass destruction and killing out earth's population, but not earth itself. Tbh the nine tails can do this too.

everyone who mentioned the juubi stated it can destroy the world. Kages Were smacking Momoshiki around buddy, he was running the whole battle until Kinishiki gave him more power then weak Base Naruto one shotted him before casaully one shotted him with sasuke.

Kages never even touched momoshiki. Who was just trying to get away. Naruto never one shotted momoshiki buddy, he was tanking multiple attacks, they needed to fuse just to temporarily put him down.

that was Naruto who was getting his power drained for hours...now think what a 100% Naruto would have done to Momoshiki he would have wrecked him even more.

Naruto was only drained of 50% of the nine tails, which isnt much compared to what naruto has in his arsenal.

Naruto in that fight didn't even do Country level Destruction since you want to say that.

He doesnt need to. He scales above momoshiki who can casually one shot planets

He did, he was telling Hinata about it.

also, the planet Momoshiki went to didn't even have Chakra to defend themselves against him so they couldn't even fight back at all.

Kaguya's Planet was the only place were the Humans gained chakra because she got with a human, and had kids. When Momoshiki fought people with chakra he was pretty powerless. in your Novel it even states the planet didn't have much chakra at all so what Momoshiki did was irrelevant because he didn't do anything when it counted.

Kages can fight him and knock him around. Shikamaru could stop him, which forced him to use Karma ability to get out of it, He needed to use his Karma ability on bee to beat him.

Naruto didn't use any of his Arsenal he Literally Taijutsu Momoshiki and knocked him around.

no Momoshiki can't casually one shot a planet, otherwise he would have done that in his fight with naruto since he was getting owned.

Regardless you are digressing the Argument, Kaguya in the past was much more powerful than Momoshiki. Zetsu is enough to beat Momoshiki so I guess that means They are planet level.

Juubi is stated to be planet level and can easily destroy the planet.

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He did, he was telling Hinata about it.

No he didnt, he said it could end the world, two different things.

also, the planet Momoshiki went to didn't even have Chakra to defend themselves against him so they couldn't even fight back at all.

Yes it did have chakra, which is irrelevant since momoshiki destroying it is still planet buster tier and far above anything the ten tails had done.

Kaguya's Planet was the only place were the Humans gained chakra because she got with a human, and had kids. When Momoshiki fought people with chakra he was pretty powerless. in your Novel it even states the planet didn't have much chakra at all so what Momoshiki did was irrelevant because he didn't do anything when it counted.

Um no, every planet has chakra reserves, the people on the planet did too, it states momoshiki was absorbing the chakra from them tho. Plus this is irrelevant since planet busting a planet without chakra is still planet busting and better than what the juubi ever did. Also earth itself didnt have chakra, only the people did.

Kages can fight him and knock him around. Shikamaru could stop him, which forced him to use Karma ability to get out of it, He needed to use his Karma ability on bee to beat him.

Kages never even touched momoshiki, then got one shotted. Shikamaru got fodderized and casually absorbed.

Momoshiki doesnt have karma seal. I'm not debating the point about killer bee again, already debunked it and explained how it doesnt prove anything, you clearly arent reading my posts.

Naruto didn't use any of his Arsenal he Literally Taijutsu Momoshiki and knocked him around.

Was referring to form wise. Naruto went his strongest forms just to try to fight momoshiki, then when momoshiki brought out the golem he stomped full kurama mode naruto, which is his strongest form.

no Momoshiki can't casually one shot a planet, otherwise he would have done that in his fight with naruto since he was getting owned.

Why would he one shot the planet that he made... while he's in the middle of a fight, plus naruto and sasuke wouldnt allow that and momoshiki knew this. He also needed naruto alive, and destroying the planet would leave naruto in no space without any oxygen and he would die.

Regardless you are digressing the Argument, Kaguya in the past was much more powerful than Momoshiki. Zetsu is enough to beat Momoshiki so I guess that means They are planet level.

Zetsu, Kaguya, Hagoromo and hamura is enough for kaguya to think she can beat BASE momoshiki, once momoshiki fused they would all get one shotted. Zetsu was obviously support for kaguya, she could've just told hagoromo and hamura to deal with momoshiki if he's as weak as you think.. oh wait... she thought they werent strong enough for him.

Juubi is stated to be planet level and can easily destroy the planet.

It's stated to be able to end the world, which at best means be able to wipe out the earth's population. Which is irrelevant since naruto casually one shots someone with it.

It’s a close call but I think Madara would win 6 out 10 times as he was able to hold his own against Naruto and Sasuke with just one rinnegan, with two rinnegan and rinneshraingan he could of easily taken both of them on. Momoshiki also fought much stronger versions of Naruto and Sasuke, but they were both severely weakened as if they were fighting at full power they would of made look like a little bitch.

The winner would depend on how much Naruto and Sasuke were weakened and how strong rinnesharingan Madara is. Plus Momoshiki let himself get hit by Boruto twice so there’s that.

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It’s a close call but I think Madara would win 6 out 10 times as he was able to hold his own against Naruto and Sasuke with just one rinnegan, with two rinnegan and rinneshraingan he could of easily taken both of them on.

Well no, Naruto alone could beat madara. His shadow clones stalemated madara's limbo clones, that are near equal to madara himself, and naruto's clones are fodder to himself. Lets not forget naruto can blitz off kaguya's arm and nearly destroy her whole body, same kaguya who is stated far above madara.

Momoshiki also fought much stronger versions of Naruto and Sasuke, but they were both severely weakened as if they were fighting at full power they would of made look like a little bitch.

Well naruto wasnt weakened by much, he was only weakened by 50% of the nine tails.

The winner would depend on how much Naruto and Sasuke were weakened and how strong rinnesharingan Madara is. Plus Momoshiki let himself get hit by Boruto twice so there’s that.

Momoshiki was severely weakened when boruto hit him, and the hits did no noticeable damage.

You keep on saying that but yet You false to show me where he stalemate him in. the battle was 1 panel where we could see Naruto throw a punch and Limbo block it.

Lastly, Madara's Limbo can Tank TSB which can erase jutsu and Abilities.

Naruto attacked Kaguya weak Point so which caused her to lose control over her body. that has nothing to do with power, and i already showed you that in a scan which stated the same thing.

what does that matter? Kaguya can regenarate so cutting her hand is meaningless. Sasuke Cut Madara, but that doesn't mean he could beat Madara because it stated Both Naruto and sasuke was needed to defeat Madara.

Wasn't that weakened my ass. Momoshiki was draining Naruto of Chakra and the 9 tails for hours; in what world does that translate to him not being very weakened? you are missing the whole point. Naruto was weakened as well just like Sasuke was weakened they still smacked Momoshiki around and one shotted him when they fused chakra. Not only that you stated that 100% Naruto can beat Momoshiki.

Momoshiki was so weakened that he was still able to fight knock back Sasuke. stop with this lie, Momoshiki wasn't that weakened he just got new jutsu and had just ate more pills, still was one shotted by Base Naruto chakra who Boruto was able to use to kill Momoshiki.

If Momoshiki was planet level and could destroy planets easily...where was this planet level attack? you are using on source which is inconsistant because Momoshiki did nothing like that in the Manga, or in the anime.

If you want to use that I also have source that says Obito can obliterate planets as well.

Obito<<<<MADARA

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You keep on saying that but yet You false to show me where he stalemate him in. the battle was 1 panel where we could see Naruto throw a punch and Limbo block it.

They stalemated, limbo clones were throwing attacks, and being blocked and countered, then limbos did the same to shadow clones.

Lastly, Madara's Limbo can Tank TSB which can erase jutsu and Abilities.

Naruto can, with his bare foot, while not in his strongest form.

Naruto attacked Kaguya weak Point so which caused her to lose control over her body. that has nothing to do with power, and i already showed you that in a scan which stated the same thing.

What weak point? He attacked her arm, which isnt a weak point, then attacked from all directions, which isnt a weak point lol. And it has everything to do with power.

what does that matter? Kaguya can regenarate so cutting her hand is meaningless. Sasuke Cut Madara, but that doesn't mean he could beat Madara because it stated Both Naruto and sasuke was needed to defeat Madara.

You completely missed the point, the point is that they can overcome their durability and wreck them, so momoshiki can do the same but much more.

Wasn't that weakened my ass. Momoshiki was draining Naruto of Chakra and the 9 tails for hours; in what world does that translate to him not being very weakened? you are missing the whole point. Naruto was weakened as well just like Sasuke was weakened they still smacked Momoshiki around and one shotted him when they fused chakra. Not only that you stated that 100% Naruto can beat Momoshiki.

He was weakened by 50% of the nine tails, it's not much, this is literally his state in the war arc.

They never one shotted momoshiki, when they fused momoshiki had already taken damage from multiple combos.

Momoshiki was so weakened that he was still able to fight knock back Sasuke. stop with this lie, Momoshiki wasn't that weakened he just got new jutsu and had just ate more pills, still was one shotted by Base Naruto chakra who Boruto was able to use to kill Momoshiki.

That sasuke who had literally no chakra left.

He ate pills, that before, he saw as fodder while in base, yet was receiving massive boosts from them now. He was weakened, unless you think base naruto's casual rasengan while being pinned by chakra rods(that can kill momoshiki)>>>fusion kurama susanno(strongest form of both of them) combined attack(that cant kill momoshiki)

If Momoshiki was planet level and could destroy planets easily...where was this planet level attack? you are using on source which is inconsistant because Momoshiki did nothing like that in the Manga, or in the anime.

Why would momoshiki destroy the planet when he wants naruto alive? Destroying the planet would kill naruto since he needs oxygen to live.(at least based off momoshiki's knowledge).

If you want to use that I also have source that says Obito can obliterate planets as well.

Show me it then. And databooks dont count, since they are proven wrong countless times, based off the databooks hebi sasuke>obito so...

where is the panel of the Limbo clones throwing attacks at Naruto's clones and Naruto blocking them?

I don't understand what point you were trying to prove with "Naruto can with his barefoot" That was the Limbo blocking Naruto's Attacks and the limbo clone countering.

The super TBB RS jutsu he used to make Kaguya lose control over the juubi was naruto hitting Kaguya's Weak spot. it stated in the databooks that it was her weak spot.

Naruto cutting KAguya arm is irrelevant point because she can regenerate.

no, they can't and have not. Momoshiki wasn't overcoming his Durablity when Base Naruto and sasuke and the Kages nearly killed him with just Taijutsu.

you keep saying that but Momoshiki disagrees with you, yes they one shotted Momoshiki.

what does that Matter if Sasuke had little bit of chakra if your argument is that Momoshiki was just as weakened as Naruto and sasuke was?

He didn't Destroy anything close to a planet is my point. even after Taking Naruto, and stating that Naruto was going recreate the God Tree with his chakra alone. Not only that the scan you showed of Momoshiki on another planet he stated the Chakra there was fodder...because no one had chakra on that planet.

what he did to a planet of people who only had swords and pitch forks to defend themselves is pretty useless point, because we know he couldn't do that to people with chakra who was far weaker than Madara.

The databooks is not wrong. FYI Kishimoto made the databooks anyways.

he never said Hebi Sasuke>Obito, it said Hebi Sasuke>Tobi who was pretending to be weak. Even Pain said Tobi was useless so what was wrong about that statement?

Like I said it pretty irrelevant because Obito is already stated he can do the same to a much stronger planet then the one you are bragging about for Momoshiki.

All i am saying is he never did this in manga, or the anime, you have 1 writen statement from a novel which is non-canon since it we have updated material of everything and Momoshiki never showed any sighs tht he could destroy a planet or anything resembling a planet. otherwise you would have posted this long ago and we wouldn't be having this discussion in the first place.