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#1 Posted by DarkSlumber (426 posts) - - Show Bio
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Conditions

Madara is at his peak while Momoshiki has Kinshiki absorbed already.

Location

Juubi vs Shinobi Alliance

Starting Distance is 200 Meters

Intel

Full

Mindset

Bloodlusted

Restrictions

None

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#2 Posted by KCMinato (2458 posts) - - Show Bio
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#3 Posted by bdelloidgrain2 (1916 posts) - - Show Bio

I give this to Juubi Madara. Otherwise, he loses.

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#4 Posted by Oreoghoul (1663 posts) - - Show Bio

Momoshiki should win

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#5 Posted by AlexTheBoss (17022 posts) - - Show Bio

Momoshiki should be stronger, but I think Madara is good enough to win this, especially with his immortality, while Momoshiki seems to run out of steam pretty quickly without his fruits.

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#6 Posted by HypeBeastCSB15 (1087 posts) - - Show Bio

Why is this a thing???????? base Momoshiki godstomps Madara. Fused is spite. Smfh

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#7 Posted by Gilateen (3482 posts) - - Show Bio

Madara stomps

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#8 Posted by HypeBeastCSB15 (1087 posts) - - Show Bio
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#9 Posted by Undre (2611 posts) - - Show Bio

@hypebeastcsb15: lol base momshike is fodder litter his feats dont compare just stop. Dued was running from kage ahahah

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#10 Posted by HypeBeastCSB15 (1087 posts) - - Show Bio

@undre said:

@hypebeastcsb15: lol base momshike is fodder litter his feats dont compare just stop. Dued was running from kage ahahah

Dude was instantly deemed a threat greater than kaguya by sasuke from just looking at him and fighting kinshiki. Kaguya feared him. Unless you're one of those people who think that adult sasuke is weaker than teen sasuke who fought kaguya, you have already lost this debate. And for the record, Gaara got stronger and the rest of the new kage are stronger than the past generation of kage. Using them as an anti-feat is a fallacious argument.

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#11 Edited by Gilateen (3482 posts) - - Show Bio

@hypebeastcsb15: no, it’s true.

Madara does win, he has immortality,

Momoshiki doesn’t.

Limbo border Jail, light fang or Susanoo should be enough

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#12 Posted by HypeBeastCSB15 (1087 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen said:

@hypebeastcsb15: no, it’s true.

No it's not.

Madara does win, he has immortality,

Immortality as in he can't die from age. He can still be killed

Momoshiki doesn’t.

He has the same type of immortality. He's been around for like 2,000+ years.

Limbo border Jail, light fang or Susanoo should be enough

He can see the limbo with rinnegan and can break out of the jail with sheer force, light fang can easily be dodged or absorbed, and sasuke's stronger six paths susanoo needed the full six paths kyuubi to be effective against Momo.

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#13 Posted by Undre (2611 posts) - - Show Bio

@undre said:

@hypebeastcsb15: lol base momshike is fodder litter his feats dont compare just stop. Dued was running from kage ahahah

Dude was instantly deemed a threat greater than kaguya by sasuke from just looking at him and fighting kinshiki. Kaguya feared him. Unless you're one of those people who think that adult sasuke is weaker than teen sasuke who fought kaguya, you have already lost this debate. And for the record, Gaara got stronger and the rest of the new kage are stronger than the past generation of kage. Using them as an anti-feat is a fallacious argument.

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Can tell you dont pay attention to the stroy for one he said it was a hypothesis. I want you to go look that word up.2 not one time did he say it was momshike. 3. It was the entire otsuski clan she was preparing for NOT momo. She didnt report back to the clan so they sent 3 otsuki her to see what's going on. Naruto and sasuke were pissing their pants when they sensesd kaguyas chakra. Unless your one of those guys that belives mommo is stronger than the ten tails. And if mommo was stronger than kaguya and ate all those fruit by logic he should have a tensigan or jubi. But no he doesn't. Stop your losing brain cells

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#14 Posted by Grinningf0x (1467 posts) - - Show Bio

Momo

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#15 Edited by Gilateen (3482 posts) - - Show Bio

@hypebeastcsb15: Everyone knows madara beats momoshiki,

Six Paths madara has unlimited chakra.

Momoshiki uses Pills.

This is gonna come down to taijutsu since ninjutsu won’t do a thing to either of them sense they will absorb it and throw it back at each other.

All madara has to do is stab momoshiki’s right rinnegan At The right time to prevent him from absorbing anything and then finish him off with Lighting Style: Thunder Blast

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#16 Posted by reaverlation (25843 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen said:

@hypebeastcsb15: Everyone knows madara beats momoshiki,

Six Paths madara has unlimited chakra.

Momoshiki uses Pills.

This is gonna come down to taijutsu since ninjutsu won’t do a thing to either of them sense they will absorb it and throw it back at each other.

All madara has to do is stab momoshiki’s right rinnegan At The right time to prevent him from absorbing anything and then finish him off with Lighting Style: Thunder Blast

Madara doesn't have unlimited Chakra, not even Kaguya did. Only Madara's Chakra reserves are astronomical (think Naruto reserves but even more)

Momoshiki fought Adult Sasuke and Naruto so I don't think Madara will be Momoshiki in Taijutsu.

Madara will have ridiculous difficulty trying to stab Momoshiki's rinnegan since it required Sasuke's amenotejikara to do it and Madara doesn't have Sasuke's speed. Madara will use Jutsu first, something along the lines of his Sage Jutsu, Limbo or even Chibaku Tensei and Momoshiki will absorb it and bring it back twofold.

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#17 Edited by HypeBeastCSB15 (1087 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen said:

@hypebeastcsb15: Everyone knows madara beats momoshiki,

Appeal to popularity fallacy

Six Paths madara has unlimited chakra.

No he doesn't, not even close

Momoshiki uses Pills.

Your point? Actually you have no point here.

This is gonna come down to taijutsu since ninjutsu won’t do a thing to either of them sense they will absorb it and throw it back at each other.

Momoshiki swapped hands with adult Naruto and sasuke, so he won't have much trouble here.

All madara has to do is stab momoshiki’s right rinnegan At The right time to prevent him from absorbing anything and then finish him off with Lighting Style: Thunder Blast

Which would be a problem due to inferior speed, ap, and hand to hand.

I guess you're going first.

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#18 Posted by HypeBeastCSB15 (1087 posts) - - Show Bio

@undre said:
@hypebeastcsb15 said:
@undre said:

@hypebeastcsb15: lol base momshike is fodder litter his feats dont compare just stop. Dued was running from kage ahahah

Dude was instantly deemed a threat greater than kaguya by sasuke from just looking at him and fighting kinshiki. Kaguya feared him. Unless you're one of those people who think that adult sasuke is weaker than teen sasuke who fought kaguya, you have already lost this debate. And for the record, Gaara got stronger and the rest of the new kage are stronger than the past generation of kage. Using them as an anti-feat is a fallacious argument.

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Can tell you dont pay attention to the stroy for one he said it was a hypothesis. I can clearly tell you also haven't payed attention to the story, because him stating that it was his hypothesis means nothing when he confirms it later on. I want you to go look that word up. I know what it means 2 not one time did he say it was momshike. He was referring to the otsutsuki he had fought earlier. They were what the whole convo was about. He didn't mention them specifically because he didn't know their names at the time. 3. It was the entire otsuski clan she was preparing for NOT momo. More proof you haven't payed any attention to the story. This is plain wrong because in the scene where kaguya was talking about her higher ups coming to earth, it showed a picture of Momoshiki, Kinshiki, and Urashiki. She never mentioned the entire clan coming. That's just some dumb headcanon someone came up with and started to spread around. She didnt report back to the clan so they sent 3 otsuki her to see what's going on. Even more proof you haven't payed any attention. Momoshiki was her higher up and was directly responsible for her. It's in the anime and manga. I suggest you go and read it Naruto and sasuke were pissing their pants when they sensesd kaguyas chakra. Yeah. As TEENAGERS who hadn't experienced anything like it before. As adults much stronger than their teenage selves, and having already sensed kaguya's chakra before, after sensing Momoshiki and Kinshiki's chakra Sasuke was confident that they were the threats greater than kaguya. Unless your one of those guys that belives mommo is stronger than the ten tails. By feats he is. And if mommo was stronger than kaguya and ate all those fruit by logic he should have a tensigan or jubi. You really are a dumbass aren't you? 1.) You don't get the tenseigan by eating a chakra fruit. Even more proof you haven't seen the series and don't know what you're talking about. 2.) The juubi is a fusion of kaguya and the god tree. The proof of your lack of knowledge grows greater and greater with everything with every sentence you type. But no he doesn't. Lol Stop your losing brain cells I lost some brain cells reading you're autistic comment full of spelling mistakes and grammar errors on top of your general lack of knowledge of the series.

Sigh. I don't even know what to say anymore.

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#19 Posted by game_king597 (399 posts) - - Show Bio

Both at their Max?

Madara was much bigger threat to Naruto and Sasuke than Momo.

Plus what Momo is supposed to do against Limbo and TSB?

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#20 Posted by Undre (2611 posts) - - Show Bio

@hypebeastcsb15: cant believe you said mommoshkie has better feats than the 10 tails lmao. You do know naruto and sasuke are weaker than the sage of six paths. And the sage said kaguya was stronger than him. Same naruto and sasuke clap mommoshkie with half chakra and ti justu. And your making it seem like naruto and sasuke got massive amps. Chakra and speed wise no because you can just get more chakra overtime. Only way to get more chakra is by chakra fruit,tail beast,sage,or dojustu upgrade. But skill wise they my improved. Would be no wear near enough to beat kaguya. And yes he should have tesigan or the jubi eye.form eating those fruits unless they were fodder. And you do realize naruto and sasukes power comes from the ten tails same power that claped mommo easy. Hamura had the tensigan all his power come form kaguya which came form the god tree. So mommo should have all his dojustu maxed

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#21 Posted by Tektonic (1101 posts) - - Show Bio

Momoshiki without too much difficulty.

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#22 Posted by deactivated-5be85ba9d64f1 (712 posts) - - Show Bio

@undre: been done. Momo won...

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#23 Posted by Revold (735 posts) - - Show Bio

For those who say adult forms are much stronger, both Naruto and Sasuke were nerfed but still defeated Momoshiki. But against Madara they literally couldn’t even touch him (they tried to seal him) and was stated to have no way of defeating him by Kishimoto.

Momoshiki can’t absorb anything he wants. For example he can’t absorb Susanoo if used as defense, nor could he absorb Chibaku Tensei which Madara can made them rain in final form.

And for Limbo even if he can see them, he may not be able to handle all 4 of them. You might say he can absorb them, but Momoshiki can’t just absorb people mid-combat like against Naruto and Sasuke.

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#24 Edited by ourmanuel (10583 posts) - - Show Bio

Momoshiki dies, you guys wank the whole “kaguya feared him” thing too much.

She didn’t fear him, she feared the clan.

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#25 Posted by Streak619 (7543 posts) - - Show Bio

Madara

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#26 Posted by ourmanuel (10583 posts) - - Show Bio

Why is this a thing???????? base Momoshiki godstomps Madara. Fused is spite. Smfh

?????????????????

Madara

wins.

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#27 Posted by ourmanuel (10583 posts) - - Show Bio

At least Madara didn’t get played and killed by discount part 1 naruto.

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#28 Posted by WhatamIseeing (1605 posts) - - Show Bio

Madara creates 25 clones all using susanoo, black rods, all spamming izanagi, all spamming wood release to bind momoshiki and they cut his head off. Even the kages could bind kinshiki, madara will have no issue binding momoshiki. Madara clone feints momoshiki like hashirama clone feinted him it works every time. Juubi sized perfect susanoo one shots

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#29 Edited by Gilateen (3482 posts) - - Show Bio

@hypebeastcsb15: What’s your point?

He does have unlimited chakra, Whether you like it or not.

Momoshiki Does uses pill to make himself stronger.

Momoshiki got hurt by boruto’s rasagan, so I don’t see why madara’s attacks wouldn’t.

Like it or not, Momoshiki loses here.

Like you must really want Momo to win by wanking him

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#30 Posted by HypeBeastCSB15 (1087 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen said:

@hypebeastcsb15: What’s your point?

Point is is that you have no point when you use these fallacies. It severely weakens your argument

He does have unlimited chakra, Whether you like it or not.

No he doesn't give me a statement.

Momoshiki Does uses pill to make himself stronger.

That's an irrelevant point. Momoshiki is stronger than madara in base anyways.

Momoshiki got hurt by boruto’s rasagan, so I don’t see why madara’s attacks wouldn’t.

it wasn't boruto's rasengan. It was Naruto's. he just gave it to boruto

Like it or not, Momoshiki loses here.

No he doesn't

Like you must really want Momo to win by wanking him

I'm just using feats

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#31 Posted by HypeBeastCSB15 (1087 posts) - - Show Bio

@revold said:

For those who say adult forms are much stronger, both Naruto and Sasuke were nerfed but still defeated Momoshiki. But against Madara they literally couldn’t even touch him (they tried to seal him) and was stated to have no way of defeating him by Kishimoto.

This is a denying the antecedent fallacy. While Momoshiki did fail to beat Naruto and Sasuke, while Madara had the possibility of doing so, You're ignoring the fact that Momoshiki lost to stronger forms of the duo, while Madara had the possibility of beating a weaker versions. Adult Sasuke was drained from interdimensional travel and adult Naruto from having his chakre being absorbed, but teen Naruto had split himself up into thousands of clones, gave enough chakra to a few thousand shinobi to power them up by 3x their own chakra levels, while both of them fought several battles non-stop in a war and fired off tons of chakra expensive jutsu. So they would conceivably be a way more weakened than the adult versions. Who madara still could have lost to.

Momoshiki can’t absorb anything he wants. For example he can’t absorb Susanoo if used as defense, nor could he absorb Chibaku Tensei which Madara can made them rain in final form.

Wouldn't need to, he'd break the susanoo and break out of the chibaku tensei, like he did to adult sasuke(who is stronger than three eyed madara)

And for Limbo even if he can see them, he may not be able to handle all 4 of them. You might say he can absorb them, but Momoshiki can’t just absorb people mid-combat like against Naruto and Sasuke.

They wouldn't be strong enough or fast enough to do any damage. They'd just be more madaras to him

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#32 Posted by Gilateen (3482 posts) - - Show Bio

@hypebeastcsb15:

Madara can’t be Defeated(As stated by Kishimoto) so deal with it.

He was only killed by Plot.

Momoshiki got push back by Boruto’s Vanishing rasingan.

Madara was fighting equality with naruto and sasuke without using his full powers, same with naruto and sasuke.

Momoshiki has nothing to kill madara cause of his immortality and unlimited chakra.

If they both were in Base then yeah momoshiki,

But In awakening no.

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#33 Posted by Chaos239 (5081 posts) - - Show Bio

Momoshiki handily.

Madara has nothing to suggest he can fight The Last Naruto or Sasuke, nevermind their far stronger Adult Versions.

Basically, Momoshiki fought 2 guys superior to Madara who already had knowledge of his absorption ability and had the advantage of their combo moves.

Kaguya > Fused Momoshiki > Naruto > Sasuke >>> Madara

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#34 Edited by Gilateen (3482 posts) - - Show Bio
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#35 Posted by Chaos239 (5081 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen said:

@chaos239: Plus Madara is still stronger even than their adult versions

Madara is 100% weaker than either Adult version of the duo.

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#36 Posted by Gilateen (3482 posts) - - Show Bio

@chaos239: Madara can’t be defeated(stated by kishimoto) so yes he is stronger than them

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#37 Posted by Chaos239 (5081 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen: Link on that statement?

Kishimoto's statements also don't account to Boruto anyway, so?

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#38 Posted by Gilateen (3482 posts) - - Show Bio
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#39 Edited by Chaos239 (5081 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen: If you're so confident that Madara is stronger than them (and stronger than Momoshiki by your posts in the thread) how about you CaV me Madara vs Adult Sasuke?

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#40 Posted by HypeBeastCSB15 (1087 posts) - - Show Bio

Madara creates 25 clones all using susanoo, black rods, all spamming izanagi, all spamming wood release to bind momoshiki and they cut his head off. None of which are A- In character to do. B- strong enough to hold down and deal with momoshiki(referring to the wood style jutsu and susanoo). And C- Whats stopping momoshiki from using his own wood style? Orr bijuu bomb GG? Or using shadow paralysis to restrain madara? those are in character for him and we've seen him use all three in the same fight. Even the kages could bind kinshiki, madara will have no issue binding momoshiki. This is a double fallacy, the non-sequitur fallacy and the inconsistent comparison fallacy. You are stating that because the 5 kage could bind Kinshiki(your premise) that Madara could therefore bind Momoshiki(your conclusion), a non-sequitur fallacy being when your conclusion is not implied at all by the premise. the inconsistent comparison fallacy is you comparing the teamwork and special jutsu from the 5 kage to that of Madara's completely different jutsu set, while comparing the power and combat abilities of Kinshiki to that of Momoshiki. This is just all around a terrible argument.Madara clone feints momoshiki like hashirama clone feinted him it works every time. Juubi sized perfect susanoo one shots How does it one shot when it doesn't have the attack potency to harm momoshiki?

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#41 Posted by HypeBeastCSB15 (1087 posts) - - Show Bio

Momoshiki dies, you guys wank the whole “kaguya feared him” thing too much.

She didn’t fear him, she feared the clan.

Wrong. She never stated that it was the whole clan. She referenced specific otsutsuki which turned out to be momoshiki, kinshiki, and urashiki.

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#42 Edited by HypeBeastCSB15 (1087 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen said:

@hypebeastcsb15:

Madara can’t be Defeated(As stated by Kishimoto) so deal with it.

That is not only a major NLF, but it's also plain wrong. Kishimoto stated that he didn't know how he was gonna kill him off.

He was only killed by Plot.

Which is what kishimoto did to prevent giving naruto and sasuke any more power ups. Which he then did anyways.

Momoshiki got push back by Boruto’s Vanishing rasingan.

Caught him off guard and really only annoyed him.

Madara was fighting equality with naruto and sasuke without using his full powers, same with naruto and sasuke.

Nothing of what you just said made any sense

Momoshiki has nothing to kill madara cause of his immortality and unlimited chakra.

If madara was immortal how was he killed? Oh yeah, it was because he doesn't have that type of immortality. He just can't age to death. Momoshiki has the same type of immortality. And he also doesn't have unlimited chakra.

If they both were in Base then yeah momoshiki,

Base Momoshiki>>>3 eyed madara

But In awakening no.

Fused momo>>>>>>>>>3 eyed Madara.

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#43 Posted by HypeBeastCSB15 (1087 posts) - - Show Bio

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Momoshiki handily.

Madara has nothing to suggest he can fight The Last Naruto or Sasuke, nevermind their far stronger Adult Versions.

Basically, Momoshiki fought 2 guys superior to Madara who already had knowledge of his absorption ability and had the advantage of their combo moves.

Kaguya > Fused Momoshiki > Naruto > Sasuke >>> Madara

switch Momoshiki with Kaguya

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#44 Posted by Undre (2611 posts) - - Show Bio

@chaos239: lol dued stop please naruto is not as strong as he use to be. Whe havent seen any feats that top the war arc naruto at ALL so stop with the head canon. Sasuke either hes missing an ENTIRE arm and no Indra mode.

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#45 Posted by HypeBeastCSB15 (1087 posts) - - Show Bio

@undre said:

@chaos239: lol dued stop please naruto is not as strong as he use to be. Whe havent seen any feats that top the war arc naruto at ALL so stop with the head canon. Sasuke either hes missing an ENTIRE arm and no Indra mode.

Well sasuke has mastered his rinnegan and trained during the entire time skip. Naruto not only trained and studied throughout the entire time skip, but he also mastered six paths sage mode, toad sage mode, and got the WHOLE OTHER HALF OF THE KYUUBI. The power ups aren't headcanon, they're proven facts. Quit being an idiot and open your eyes.

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#46 Posted by KingZod (3918 posts) - - Show Bio

Momoshiki

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#48 Edited by Gilateen (3482 posts) - - Show Bio

@hypebeastcsb15: are you Mad?

3 eyed madara easily beats base momoshiki, that is the dumbest thing you have said all day.

If boruto can tag momoshiki then there is no doubt madara can.

Madara has all that hax too.

He was just playing around with guy, without using limbo, and he still healed from having half of his body blown off by guy, plus that time wasn’t immortal, after that he absorbed the divine tree and became immortal

He has to stab momoshiki’s right rinnegan so he won’t absorb and then finish him off with anything

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#49 Posted by Undre (2611 posts) - - Show Bio

@undre said:

@chaos239: lol dued stop please naruto is not as strong as he use to be. Whe havent seen any feats that top the war arc naruto at ALL so stop with the head canon. Sasuke either hes missing an ENTIRE arm and no Indra mode.

Well sasuke has mastered his rinnegan and trained during the entire time skip. Naruto not only trained and studied throughout the entire time skip, but he also mastered six paths sage mode, toad sage mode, and got the WHOLE OTHER HALF OF THE KYUUBI. The power ups aren't headcanon, they're proven facts. Quit being an idiot and open your eyes.

Lol stop that other half isnt shit to what he had in the war arc which was full 6 paths and more tailed beast chakra. I even have evidence. If you look at anyone with full 6 paths their back looks like this

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Thats universal. Then you look at hokage narutos back

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So yeah he no longer has full 6 paths chakra which makes sense because sasuke stated it at the end of their fight. He says looks like your low on chakra form the tailed beast. Which is why he doesnt have TSB anymore or cant make biju bomb shirikens or even make tailed beast rasansukins. Hes also hasnt shown the ability gi into ahsura mode or make kurama clones because he could have done it to momoshike when he was getting wercked by his golem.

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War arc narutos back and face looks completely different its more like the sages form

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#50 Posted by Grinningf0x (1467 posts) - - Show Bio

Naruto still has chakra from the tailed beast which is confirmed by the Shikamaru novel. This same Novel basically calls Naruto a pseudo Ten Tails So even IF he has less Tailed Beast chakra he still has it AND all of Kurama. It’s pretty asinine to claim he’s weaker.

TSB don’t replenish so him not having them anymore makes sense

The ONLY serious fight Naruto had was against a jutsu absorber. Why in the hell would he use jutsu ?

Madara would’ve been sealed just like Kaguya was. This meme that Kishimoto didn’t know how to kill off Madara so he created Kaguya needs to die.