@cyberblades22:
You don't understand. I get that SPSM is far above a Sick Naruto. However that doesn't suddenly put him at Julius level, you'd need a speed feat for that. Why? Because Saying he scales massively above his sick self is extremely vague and would make a messed up scale. The only thing that feat tell me is SPSM Naruto is far above relativistic but how far above is unknown, in other words what that feat definitely proves is he can definitely outspeed relativistic characters in SPSM not that he can keep up with FTL characters,Especially someone like Julius who is decently above FTL characters and can outspeed FTL characters.
Still don't get it??? It's like me making this weird scaling chain, Gauche is relativistic, Asta scales massively above Gauche so that means Asta must be FTL, Magic knight scales massively above Asta so magic knights must be FTL +, then the wizard king is massively above magic knight making Julius MFTL. Weird right?.
The beam he used against those guys was different from the one he used against Patri. Against Patri he was taken with surprise so I think he just hit him his aura. But against those guys he used a sort of rasengan shaped beam that ages you instantly as soon as it touches you.
Through that thousand years, we don't know how many pills Momo had to take. So it's kinda hard to figure that out. Momo may survive the first 2 or 3 blasts,but I don't think he is surviving being hit by a dozen.
While dead his soul or consciousness or whatever has a sort of time stop when he implants Karma, well for starters this isn't dead Momo. We know for a fact that alive Momo doesn't have time stop or anything resembling it,It's not about be arrogant either, Momoshiki loved stomping his opponents and his neck was on the ropes like 3 times before his death, if he had such a handy ability, he would have used it. I am calling it time stop but its likely not even time stop.both Boruto and Sasuke only thought it seemed time had stopped, however it may just have to do with the karma implantation ritual..... i only mentioned the anime because if the time stop move was a big part of Momo's character they wouldn't have changed it. Ultimately it doesn't matter, he did whatever time stop feat while dead, making it irrelevant in this battle using alive fused Momo. ghost Momo can likely walk through walk through walls, it doesn't mean we should give alive Momo that ability.
Lol the Karma possession doesn't take a few weeks, what are you talking about bro? We have Kawaki and Boruto as living proof and their Karma progression is considered way faster than normal. Boruto has clearly had his Karma for months and Kawaki has had his far longer than that. This is based on a bit of assumption but years later(after the timeskip) Boruto still has his karma. It's clearly not applicable as a win condition.
Even if the OP didn't specify, it's standard battle assumptions, your opponents loses when he can no longer fight (usually for hours at least). my DBS knowledge is shakey so forgive me if I don't get your Zamasu reference, But IIRC Zamasu has countless clones of himself as long as those clones can come assist within minutes, it's fair game. It's a far cry from Karma.
A better example would be winning a match against an opponent you can't damage with Genjutsu. Genjutsu knock out only lasts for hours at most. Won't you consider that a win for the Genjutsu user??. Or consider a BFR to another continent, technically the opponent could always come back but it's a win by BFR all the same.
Anyways this is irrelevant to Julius, As Julius can easily rewind his time and neg Momoshiki from his body.
Not saying it puts him at Julius level of speed, but that's still far far faster then base sick Naruto. Relativistic begins at 10% SOL, all you would have to do is prove Naruto that fought Momo is above x10 that speed which is not hard to do considering even curse mark which is far inferior to the SPSM multiplier multiplies stats by x10, KCM+SPSM multiplies those stats even higher then that. Also it's not really messed up scaling since lots of series like DBZ, DBS, GOH etc all use numbers or stat multipliers to explain levels of speed which is widely accepted.
Except we don't have numbers for black clover characters speed, while we have stat multipliers in Naruto that allows us to make approximations of their speed.
I'm pretty sure the beam he used on Patri was stronger, I doubt Julius would use a stronger attack on fodders he can easily statue and instead choose to hold back his stronger attack on a obviously stronger and faster opponent who he should be able to tell is easily above those fodders. The main difference would just be the shape, like how Yami can shape his darkness into different forms, same with Patri's light magic.
We have Isshiki who lived for over a thousand years half dead in a human body, Momo and him are the race so I would say the pills last a pretty long time.
It's plot, just like how Madara and Kaguya suddenly stopped absorbing jutsus and other rinnegan users stopped using their eyes, since using their full abilities would allow them to win 10/10 times. This ability would still apply to Momo in his alive form if a weaker version of him can do it. Sasuke and Boruto even said time stopped so there's no denying it, and Sasuke with his rinnegan had resistance to it so it's fair to say Momo with his rinnegan also has the same resistance. It's not really irrelevant, I don't see why dead Momo would have a ability that alive prime Momo in fused state wouldn't, it's like me saying Juubi Madara doesn't have susanoo because he didn't use it. The ghost intangibility example is different as that would be something Momo would only have in that specific form, similar to edo immortality, but jutsus like wood release or etc would still apply to alive forms same thing with Momo's timeskip. Arrogance or plot is likely the reason he didn't choose to use it, a smart fighter like Sasuke with preta path didn't even absorb Momo's jutsus despite doing so earlier in the series against Naruto, plot restricted them both.
It's been months at most, I don't think a year past since no such statement has been made IIRC. So while it may not take weeks (unless Julius uses karma a lot, or has Momo takeover), it still doesn't take a year to my knowledge for it to activate and even then it's still a over time victory. It's true they still have karma after the timeskip but Kawaki had to have received it again and we don't know when or how, but it seems Isshiki was in control, for Boruto I'm not sure why but it seems he through some means suppressed his karma even though it's currently 80% done.
Yes, but Karma is clearly different from most abilities it's like a curse that activates over time and Momo technichally would still have intent to fight as a karma trying to take over his opponent. For the fused Zamasu example I'm reffering to how anime Zamasu was over time going to go from universal+ to multiversal so say there's a opponent Zamasu can't damage with universal+ AP while his oppoenent can't damage incorporeal Zamasu (even though he killed Zamasu's actual body, which activates his conciousness to take over the universe), this forces Zamasu to go to multiversal form which takes a really long time and since it takes a long time we should assume Zamasu loses. The example of the clones you brought up is the manga version which I agree with your interpretation of since Zamasu can't actually die there, but in the anime universal Zamasu activates when he dies and over time he becomes multiversal and also invades other timelines.
Those examples however are different from Karma in function, since Momo is still alive during karma and begins to take over a person over time similar to a curse. Like for instance if Guy kills a weaker opponent while in 8 gates and later dies we assume it's a stalemate even if he kills the opponent in a fraction of second and dies only minutes later, even though Guy technically won.
Would time reversal work on Karma since it's technically not a injury, and IIRC Julius can't reverse time to bring people back to life but reversing time on karma would technically just bring back Momo in alive form pre karma.
I still see Momo winning here due to his advantages and speed scaling.
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