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#1 Edited by Yamiyodare (1403 posts) - - Show Bio

Pre-Retcon Molecule Man and Pre-Retcon Beyonder

Lucifer Morningstar and Michael Demiurgos

HOTU Thanos , WF Mxyzptlk and Living Tribunal

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Which team wins?

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#5 Posted by deactivated-5ca855f398e86 (65 posts) - - Show Bio

well mxy solos everyone

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#6 Posted by silverspidey (138 posts) - - Show Bio

Mxy slays everyone using glittery cosmic popcorn coming out a 5th dimensional blackhole found in a box of uneaten gummy bears.

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#7 Posted by y3kthunder (376 posts) - - Show Bio

Well the biggest threats here are beyonder the brothers I hear hotu got mad retconned I'd like some information about that if anyone got it then wf mxy be the other one with mm close behind. That be in ng stand honestly the brothers have the best feats and win

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#8 Posted by y3kthunder (376 posts) - - Show Bio

Also hasn't this been done or something very similar

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#9 Posted by CyberpunkCop (3406 posts) - - Show Bio

the handsome pre retcon hunks

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#10 Posted by BlackWizzard17 (1088 posts) - - Show Bio

Why are these threads made? Beyonder solo stomps

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#11 Posted by baph (1957 posts) - - Show Bio

Duo 1.

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#12 Posted by Zane240 (545 posts) - - Show Bio

Wf mxy solos everyone here

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#14 Edited by bdelloidgrain2 (1988 posts) - - Show Bio

Lucifer and Michael win.

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#15 Posted by Supermanthor (20105 posts) - - Show Bio

Mxy tips the scale

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#16 Edited by RampageTheFirst (7693 posts) - - Show Bio

WF Mxy solo's, he already solo'd everything in DC including the likes of Lucifer and Michael. I don't see why people think they make a difference here. Lol at Beyonder solo'ing this.

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#17 Posted by pavanleo (3 posts) - - Show Bio

HOTU Thanos (Thisisn't Canon) , Mxyzptlk and Living Tribunal. HOTU is just below TOAA and LT is below HOTU Thanos and Mxyzptlk is one of the Most powerful characters in DC (Probably in Top 10). Yeah Pre Retcon Beyonder is second only to TOAA but still that doesn't justify.

Team 3>>>>Team 2>>Team1

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#18 Posted by Yasindermann (1203 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't like to say this, but Beyonder and Molecule Man are not that powerful here.

Pre-Retcon Beyonder, as it stands now, was logically just million times above the marvel verse. Which would implie that he goes beyond BASELINE infinite-dimensional by an finite amount. Because he could be challenged several times and when he would be an infinite level above the marvel verse, he wouldn't be hurt badly by cosmological ''weapons'' of the marvel verse, like the M'kraan Crystal. So, he goes not beyond the marvel verse by an infinite level.

The source of Lucifers and Michaels power is the presnece, and the cosmology of Vertigo was absolutely meaningless to him and held the whole creation in his hand.

With that said, Lucifer and Michael are AT LEAST one order of infinite above an infinite-dimensional metaverse.

Trascned an infinite-dimensional cosmology by one order of INFINITE>>>>>>>>>Trascned an infinite-dimensional cosmology by an FINITE amount.

This is the lowest interpretation from the brothers, and they already solo Beyonder.

LT and Thanos are non-factors here, really. Thanos with HOTU's power isn't based on dimensions, it's based on the power of TOAA. But still, by logically scaling, HOTU just had the authority above one universe. Wouldn't scale him really high here.

Mxyzptlk solos all. He destroyed the DC metaverse, which includes beings like Lucifer and Michael too.

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#19 Posted by Yasindermann (1203 posts) - - Show Bio

The feat to beat Living Tribunal woudln't place Thanos higher either, because he is the weakest here.

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#20 Posted by Supermanthor (20105 posts) - - Show Bio

My two best friends gone for a while ridiculous stuff starting to pop up

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#21 Posted by Omnipotent94 (1482 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 3 > Team 2 > Team 1

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#25 Edited by Yasindermann (1203 posts) - - Show Bio

I even changed my mind and place Living Tribunal above Beyonder.

First off, stop try to scale Beyonder to the composite marvel cosmology, because to the time of secret wars, there wasn't a composite marvel cosmology.

Beyonder, to the time of secret wars, transcend an BASELINE infinite-dimensional metaverse by an FINITE amount. He was not above the marvel verse by an infinite amount, because he got hurt badly by cosmological “weapons“ of the same verse.

But the composite marvel cosmology contains an INFINITE NUMBER of infinite-dimensional metaverses, which would make it one order of infinite bigger than ONE BASELINE infinite-dimensional metaverse. The baseline infinite-dimensional metaverse in secret wars would be simply an tiny speck of dust in a sea, that contains an infinite number of other infinite-dimensional metaverses.

Even if we highball Beyonder (Highballed Beyonder is double infinite-dimensional), he would still be under multi-Eternity, because of the difference, that Beyonder just embodies an DEFAULT double infinite-dimensional cosmology, while Eternity embodies an QUANTUM double infinite-dimensional, which basically mean that it MULTIPLIES to other double infinite-dimensional metaverses in every quantum moment. It literally MULTIPLIES to other “default“ double infinite-dimensional metaverses, which would make it more complex than just an BASIC double infinite-dimensional metaverse.

Even if Beyonder and Eternity are exactly the same strong, Living Tribunal still transcends double infinite-dimensional by an finite amount, because he has ultimate control and power abobe multi-Eternity/metaverse and is VASTLY more poerful than multi-Eternity.

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#26 Posted by johnsmjs36 (493 posts) - - Show Bio
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#27 Posted by RampageTheFirst (7693 posts) - - Show Bio

@johnsmjs36: He didn't face them on panel but he did destroy everything in DC, this includes every being in DC as well as every Universe/Multiverse.

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#28 Posted by 20damon (6119 posts) - - Show Bio

HotU Thanos solos with ease

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#29 Posted by Yasindermann (1203 posts) - - Show Bio

@20damon said:

HotU Thanos solos with ease

No.

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#30 Posted by johnsmjs36 (493 posts) - - Show Bio
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#31 Edited by Helloman (30115 posts) - - Show Bio

Stalemate.

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#32 Posted by RampageTheFirst (7693 posts) - - Show Bio

@johnsmjs36: What is that supposed to mean? so does every imp yet he still destroyed them.

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#33 Posted by johnsmjs36 (493 posts) - - Show Bio

@rampagethefirst: They were not outside the DC multiverse. They were on the 5th dimensions

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#34 Edited by RampageTheFirst (7693 posts) - - Show Bio

@johnsmjs36: Do you even know where the 5th dimension is? it's literally outside the Multiverse itself.

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So Lucifer being outside creation does not mean he survived it since the 5th dimension literally exists outside creation and Mxy one-shot the entire 5th dimension along with every 5th dimensional imp who are all individually Multiversal.

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And he also one-shot every numbered dimension in DC and there's infinite dimensions in DC.

And they were clearly outside the Multiverse the moment they entered the fifth dimension and this is further reinforced by Bat-Mite being unable to travel to other universes to hide from Mxy because Mxy had clearly destroyed all there is in DC. I mean, if it isn't obvious enough, we clearly see him destroy non-canon Universes, which is literally an impossible feat to match.

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#35 Posted by TakenStew22 (1444 posts) - - Show Bio

@rampagethefirst said:

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And he also one-shot every numbered dimension in DC and there's infinite dimensions in DC.

And they were clearly outside the Multiverse the moment they entered the fifth dimension and this is further reinforced by Bat-Mite being unable to travel to other universes to hide from Mxy because Mxy had clearly destroyed all there is in DC. I mean, if it isn't obvious enough, we clearly see him destroy non-canon Universes, which is literally an impossible feat to match.

Holy crap, that is some toonforce level shit right there. Impressive.

What happened after that though? Didn't Mxy like, destroy everything? How did it all come back?

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#36 Posted by RampageTheFirst (7693 posts) - - Show Bio

@takenstew22: After that he goes on chasing Bat-Mite and destroying every Universe they're in and he also one-shots like multiple Spectre's without even realising it.

After he's had enough, he pretty much destroys everything in DC and erases every character and then they have a laugh about it.

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And then Mxy just snaps everything back into existence just like how it was before he destroyed it and they promise to do it again next Tuesday...

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#37 Posted by TakenStew22 (1444 posts) - - Show Bio

@rampagethefirst: Holy Christ, Mxy is more insane than I ever thought.

Is there any ridiculous character that can even beat him?

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#38 Posted by deactivated-5cab8756006f8 (120 posts) - - Show Bio

Lucifer Morningstar and Michael Demiurgos win.

Mxy has no claim on them.

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#39 Edited by RampageTheFirst (7693 posts) - - Show Bio

@takenstew22: I mean, there probably are but I'm not aware of any. Lucifer and Michael are most certainly the weakest here though, along with LT, that much is clear as day.

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#40 Posted by johnsmjs36 (493 posts) - - Show Bio

@rampagethefirst: It exists outside normal multiverse but it still is inside the DC multiverse.

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#41 Edited by RampageTheFirst (7693 posts) - - Show Bio

@johnsmjs36: No. You're literally clueless. That is by far one of the most retarded things I've heard anyone say, it's explicitly stated to exist outside creation.

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At this point, it's just sheer ignorance, I seriously don't understand why uninformed users take on such debates and then make 2 IQ arguments knowing nothing about the topic at hand.

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#42 Posted by christianrapper (6289 posts) - - Show Bio

Aren’t these threads supposed to be illegal?

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#43 Posted by karanrasquinha (490 posts) - - Show Bio

If Thanos has the hotu, he destroys all of them without hesitation. Hotu is gods power. Nothing short of TOAA or presence can stand in front of HOTU Thanos and win

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#44 Posted by Love_And_Hate (164 posts) - - Show Bio

PR Team heavily stomps.

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#45 Posted by destinyman75 (14684 posts) - - Show Bio

Beyonder is beyond anything and everything

MXY

Bros

LT

HOTU

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#46 Posted by acebomb98 (922 posts) - - Show Bio

@yamiyodare: too many people counting out HOTU, HOTU Thanos>Everyone