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@geekryan

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Characters:

  • Elektra (3)
  • Psylocke (3)
  • Dumbledore (2)

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@boschepg

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Characters:

  • Typhoid Mary (4)
  • Sabretooth (4)

SCENARIO: THE WALKING DEAD

This scenario is quite simple. Both teams must fight each other while fighting off a horde of zombies from the Walking Dead. They will fight on this battlefield:

Geekryan's team starts by the red, Boschepg's team starts by the blue
Geekryan's team starts by the red, Boschepg's team starts by the blue

There will be 100 zombies that spawn every minute from all sides of Geekryan and Boschepg. Whoever survives the longest wins.

RULES

  • All characters are comic versions, and anything canon to the comic versions unless specified. DC are Post Crisis, New 52, and Rebirth unless specified. Marvel is 616 unless Specified. Manga and Anime are composite. Video Games get game, manga, and comic feats. Movies and Films are live action and comics.
  • All gear will be standard. As in gear they used more than once. Characters with less than 50 comics to their name can use whatever gear they are seen with, if in reason of course.
  • Psychic attacks are only on fodder and summons. Psychic reading is fine. This applies to soul abilities as well.
  • No BFR.
  • Everyone is in character.
  • All teams get two weeks to work together in Danger Room exercises.
  • Try to get 2-4 posts each to judge from. If you dont have time, dont play.
  • Every new match you get a chance to tweak your team. Picking different characters or a whole new team.
  • Character Requests are Allowed, Within Reason of Course (Hell, I am making some myself lol)
  • You must have completed one CaV or Tourney to Participate

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@boschepg: Sure!

How many posts each do you want to do? I'm fine with 2 or 3

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#6 Posted by geekryan (4250 posts) - - Show Bio

@defiant_will: Two questions:

1) Do the 100 zombies all spawn at once in a large mass right in the road? Or do they spawn more spread out throughout the area?

2) I'm assuming Team 1 wins once Team 2 has been killed by the zombies or by Team 1? So we basically argue how our team beats the other whilst surviving against the zombies?

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@geekryan: 2 to 3 is fine. I wont count the stat intro tho. I should be able to get to it today as I await the OP reply to your question

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@geekryan said:

@defiant_will: Two questions:

1) Do the 100 zombies all spawn at once in a large mass right in the road? Or do they spawn more spread out throughout the area?

2) I'm assuming Team 1 wins once Team 2 has been killed by the zombies or by Team 1? So we basically argue how our team beats the other whilst surviving against the zombies?

  1. I changed it so they spawn from every angle and every side
  2. Team 1 wins once Team has either been killed by zombies or killed by Team 1
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@geekryan: If we are just doing stats in opener than don't count that one. If you place an actual strategy than we can count it. But limit is fine. stat- opener - counter- close

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@boschepg: I'm not used to that format, but I'm cool with it!

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Tag me for votes!

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T4V

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Tag after every post

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@diarrhearegatta:

@geekryan: It could close in three. Its just sometimes Ive noticed it gets bunched or a fourth is needed. It possibly still could go three

Typhoid Mary

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Typhoid Mary is psionist who also happens to be an assassin. She has small time TP that aides her in street battles, small time TK, and is a pyrokinetic.

Telekinesis - small level TK which does have weight limits in which she uses in battle

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  • TK scalpels in a hospital vs Black Panther
  • TKs the wires during the Weapon X experiment to hurt Wolverine
  • TKs a sword to chop off the head of Bloodscream
  • TKs point blank shots

Telepathy - small time TP which mainly acts an aura field for cloaking

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  • makes people go to sleep (this is weak minded people)
  • cloaks against Daredevil's radar sense
  • this is the standard invisibility through TP. It worked when she invaded the Xavier Mansion
  • cloaks against Wolverines senses

Pyrokinetic - this is her main thing. She sets people on fire through her mind. It works like instant combustion and not a fire stream attack

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  • sets Matt Murdock on fire
  • sets Wolverine on fire making him blind
  • sets Deadpool and a tour bus on fire showing size of area of pyrokinetics
  • burns the entire warehouse of Hydra agents except for her team

physical stats - these are more older stats. She actually was trained under Taskmaster with the Shadow Initiative where she is now on ninja class with agility

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  • can kick off a statue head
  • easy bullet dodger, actually cutting the blade
  • can take a hit from Kingpin

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Sabretooth

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brawler simply put which engages his healing factor and size in battle

durability

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  • takes multiple hits from Chulk and keeps conscious (scans 1 and 2)
  • take a hit from a pissed Warpath
  • takes energy blast from Bishop
  • takes another energy blast from Bishop

healing factor

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  • feigns being hurt by Archangels nuero toxin blades (scans 1 and 2)
  • heals instantly from scratch in which Wolverine states healing factor may be better
  • survives a Boom Boom bomb blast at point blank range (scans 3 and 4)

strength

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  • throws Rogue and knocks her out through cement
  • mangles metal against Psylocke

fight skill (view from right to left)

vs Omega Red

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vs Wendigo who has fought Hulk and Sasquatch

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vs Psylocke - I had to post it. Notice the psi-blade didn't work and totally cripples Liz

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vs Wolverine - his number 1 fan

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@boschepg: Cool! I'll have my opener up by tomorrow

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#18 Posted by geekryan (4250 posts) - - Show Bio

@defiant_will: Sorry, I have another question.

Is the 2 week training session purely to develop teamwork? Or do we get to prepare for our particular scenario and practice killing zombies?

I'm assuming there is no knowledge on the other team as well?

Thanks! :)

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Psylocke

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Here is Psylocke's Marvel biography page, and here is her CV page.

Her only standard gear is a katana.

Powers/Abilities

  • Telekinesis
    • Tactile Telekinesis
    • Force Fields
    • Flight
    • Invisibility
  • Telepathy
    • Mind Reading
    • Telepathic Communication
    • Mind Link
    • Telepathic Scanning
    • Telepathic Shielding
  • Psychic Weapons
    • Telekinetic katanas, knives, bow & arrows, crossbows, claws, flail (mace), etc.
    • Psychic Knife
  • Master Martial Artist/Ninja
    • Agility
    • Stealth
    • Acrobatics
  • Enhanced Physicals (strength, speed, durability)

Feats

Before I showcase her powers, I'm going to discuss her physicals/stats.

By channeling her telekinesis inwards, which is known as tactile telekinesis, Psylocke is able to enhance her strength, speed, and durability to superhuman levels. This allows her to match or beat physically-superior opponents such as Wolverine, Sabretooth, Archangel, Rogue, Daredevil, Deadpool, Dark Beast, Fantomex, Bishop, Mystique, Omega Red, Typhoid Mary, and Raze.

Here are a few examples of these matches:

1) Daredevil

2) Omega Red

3) Rogue

4) Sabretooth

5) Sabretooth (Danger Room Simulation)

6) Wolverine (sparring)

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Psylocke didn't necessarily win in all of these examples and she used TP/TK in some of them, but I just wanted to show how she can contend with much stronger and faster opponents than herself with the use of her powers.

And then there is one of her many fights against Wolverine. Both were in character but Wolverine was fighting to kill. I would argue that she bested him in this fight, but at the very least, she matched him quite well considering his superior physicals, adamantium claws, and healing factor. Although Wolverine got blasted by Jinn during the fight, he recovered quickly and continued fighting. She "gave up" at the end, and this caused Wolverine to back off. In this particular fight, Psylocke only used her katana and psychic knife, and didn't use her TK or telekinetic weapons.

The last fight I wanted to bring up was when she completely fodderized Typhoid Mary :)

Speed, Agility and Reflexes

1) Runs along metal thrown by Magneto and takes him out

2) Blitzes 3 soldiers

3) Blocks bullets with her katana

4) Dodges gunfire from a few feet away and then blitzes

5) Dodges gunfire from Fantomex

6) Dodges lasers in the Danger Room

7) Creates a psychic katana to deflect a knife throw from a few feet away

8) Dodges more gunfire from Fantomex

9) Avoids an attack from Sabretooth (but then gets taken out by a surprise attack from Blob)

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So you're dealing with a consistent bullet-timer and someone who fights against very fast opponents.

Durability

1) Tanks a blast from a bloodlusted Bishop

2) Survives a fatal hit

3) Pierced by Death Seed Archangel's wing blades and keeps fighting

4) Tanks a kick to the stomach by Death Seed Archangel

5) Survives stabbing through herself with her katana and then still manages to hit an alternate universe Punisher and escape him

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Last but not least, she is somewhat experienced with nerve strikes and pressure points. Here she temporarily stuns Wolverine with a kick, and here she slices Dark Beast's pectoral muscle.

Now for her powers!

Telekinesis

She can do simple things like toss back enemies (one, two, three).

1) Can snap necks

2) Shockwave

3-4) TK blasts

5) Ragdolls Lorelei and KO's her then reacts to Quicksilver and kicks him (Note: Lorelei is the sister of the Enchantress and an Asgardian, who are known to have superhuman durability).

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A few examples of her lifting/throwing strength via TK:

1) Fastball Special with Marrow

2) Lands a small, 2-person plane (with effort)

3) Lifts Mojo (who weighs approx. 500 lbs)

4) Removes a steel door and slams it against her enemy

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Flight: she doesn't use it often, but she can if she needs to:

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Invisibility: again, she doesn't use it often, but she can if she needs to:

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Force Fields: she prefers to dodge/block/avoid attacks, but she can use force fields if necessary:

Shields herself and her allies while wounded, and then continues fighting

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Shields herself from various explosions

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Her TK shields can hold off an energy-based attack from Meggan/Gloriana, an extremely powerful mutant. Psylocke then uses Marrow to turn Meggan's empathy against herself, which KO's her.

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Telepathy

Her telepathic feats are very extensive, but due to the rules and limits of the tournament, I'll just provide some relevant ones and keep this simple:

1) "My mind is well guarded"

2) She can read minds pretty easily and casually

3) Resisted the Shadow King (somewhat; there is context)

4) Telepathic tracking & mind link

5) Literally playing mind games with Typhoid Mary

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This should basically cover the simple stuff such as reading minds, telepathic communication, mind links, psychic shielding, and psychic tracking. I can provide more feats if necessary. Psylocke is also known to read the minds of her opponent during combat to anticipate their moves and react accordingly, as demonstrated in the previous feat against Dark Beast. This gives her a huge edge in H2H combat.

Psychic Weapons

Using raw telekinetic energy, Psylocke can create various weapons such as knives, katanas, bow & arrows, crossbows, claws, flails, etc. These weapons can harm her opponents physically and/or mentally.

1) TK Arrow headshot through helmet

2-3) TK arrow hurts this huge monster thing

4) Three TK arrows and TK knife

5) TK Crossbow

6) TK flail knocks out Ice Thing (who had just KO'd Rogue)

7) TK katana slices through and destroys a large machine

8) TK katana matches Old Man Logan's adamantium claws

9) TK knives take out 4 armed soldiers

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These feats should give you a good idea as to how strong they are, but for added measure:

Sharp enough to cut and hurt Rogue, which both her and Logan didn't think was possible due to her superhuman durability
Sharp enough to cut and hurt Rogue, which both her and Logan didn't think was possible due to her superhuman durability
Also sharp enough to cut and hurt Old Man Logan
Also sharp enough to cut and hurt Old Man Logan

And my favourite construct of all time...A TELEKINETIC GATLING GUN!!!

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Her TK weapons are strong enough to match adamantium and injure/KO those with superhuman durability.

And to end off this section, her signature power, the psychic knife:

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Elektra

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Here is Elektra's Marvel biography page, and here is her CV page.

Her standard gear include her signature sais, as well as shuriken.

Powers/Abilities

She is considered to be one of, if not the most, dangerous assassins on Earth. People like Punisher, Wolverine, Iron Man, and Batroc have stated how dangerous and skilled she is. She is a master of martial arts, weapons, assassination, stealth, acrobatics, and marksmanship.

  • Enhanced Strength
  • Enhanced Speed
  • Enhanced Durability
  • Nervous System Control
  • Telepathy
    • Mind Switch
    • Hypnosis
    • Telepathic Communication
    • Mind Shield
  • Silent Scream

Feats

Strength

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1) Slices a guy in half

2) Karate chops through 7 layers of concrete bricks

3) Punches through a man and the concrete wall behind him

4) A casual kick snaps a robot's neck

5) Stabs and lifts two adult men over herself

Durability/Pain Tolerance

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1) Tanks 2 blasts from Skrull Cyclops

2-3) She's fine and continues to fight after being kicked off a building

4) Doesn't even flinch after getting an arrow to the shoulder

5) Survives being stabbed through the heart and manages to walk a few blocks to Matt Murdock's apartment

Speed

Elektra is one of the most consistent bullet-timers around. Here are some of her best bullet-dodging feats:

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1) While completely surrounded by multiple gunmen, she dodges every bullet fired at her

2) Deflects bullets with her sais

3-4) Dodges a sniper shot

5) Dodges more sniper shots by reacting to the muzzle flash

6) Cuts a bullet in half that was fired by Black Widow

Not only that, but she is extremely acrobatic and agile, and she loves to blitz people.

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1-2) Catches a knife while her back was turned

3) By the age of 15, she was an Olympic-level gymnast

4) She swipes a gun from Punisher before he can even react

5) Blitzes a guy from several feet away before he can finish a word

6) Too fast for Wolverine

7) Blitzes a group of armed men before any of them can even fire

Skill & Stealth

Before I get into her sais, here are some of Elektra's best fights:

I will happily provide more of her fights or context as to why these are impressive victories if needed :)

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1-2) Paralyzes anyone that tries to use her sais

3) They are sharp enough to stab through Red She Hulk

4) And to stab Red Hulk, who believes they are made out of adamantium

She also uses her sais as ranged weapons, such as using the hilt to hit Daredevil and even rebounding the sai to hit a fleeing target. She also uses it to plug guns.

She uses shuriken as well, and she is extremely precise and deadly with them.

Telepathy

I will just touch upon her telepathic communication and psychic shielding.

She has shown to be able to communicate telepathically with Wolverine and with Daredevil, she can shield her mind from Jean Grey, and she can't be hypnotized or have her mind infiltrated.

Dumbledore

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Here is his HP Wikia page, and here is his CV page.

His only standard gear is the Elder Wand.

Introduction

I will present feats from the books and movies. I'll do my best to provide references for the book feats, but it is hard to find all of them. If I make any statements that you really want the source/reference for, let me know and I will search for it.

Albus Dumbledore is considered to be the most powerful and skilled wizard of his time, and perhaps of all wizarding history. He has over a century’s worth of magical experience and knowledge to draw from. Despite being 115 years old at the time of his death, Dumbledore was still quite athletic and agile:

And with the sudden agility of a much younger man, Dumbledore slid from the boulder, landed in the sea, and began to swim, with a perfect breaststroke, toward the dark slit in the rock face, his lit wand held in his teeth. Harry pulled off his Cloak, stuffed it into his pocket, and followed. (HBP, 379)

He drew his wand so rapidly that Harry barely saw it; with a casual flick, the sofa zoomed forward and knocked the knees out from under all three of the Dursleys so that they collapsed upon it in a heap. Another flick of the wand and the sofa zoomed back to its original position. (HBP, 38)

Wizards in the Harry Potter verse are casual arrow-timers. The best example of this is when Umbridge deflects an arrow shot at her from roughly 30 feet away AFTER the arrow is fired. And Umbridge is not even in the high-tier of wizards or anywhere close to peak-level conditioning.

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Although the exact number of how fast spells travel is unknown, many people have speculated, and the general consensus is that most spells travel in relation to the skill and power of the caster. High-tier wizards like Dumbledore would have faster spells than mid-tiers like Ron Weasley. The research I have done on the topic shows that spells tend to travel at around the same speeds of a baseball being pitched by a professional player. At the very minimum, this is roughly 50 mph. In duels, wizards are casually dodging, blocking, and reacting to spells at these speeds, which is a testament to their reaction speeds.

Dumbledore has a mastery over magic that no other wizard in his time and perhaps in all of history, has ever achieved. Dumbledore excelled in Transfiguation, which is considered to be the most difficult and complex field of magic.

Voldemort, considered to be the most dangerous and powerful Dark wizard of all time, only ever feared one person: Dumbledore. In their iconic duel, Voldemort was overwhelmed and forced to flee. Even Dumbledore’s mere presence was enough to scare Voldemort’s most trusted followers to run away:

Dumbledore had already sped past Neville and Harry, who had no more thoughts of leaving, when the Death Eaters nearest realized Dumbledore was there, and yelled to the others. One of the Death Eaters ran for it, scrabbling like a monkey up the stone steps opposite. Dumbledore’s spell pulled him back as easily and effortlessly as though he had hooked him with an invisible line — (OotP, 605)

Dumbledore was also a genius intellect, leader, and strategist, having orchestrated Voldemort’s demise years in advance. He also created his own spells and magical devices, which very few people have done.

Feats

Being a wizard, Dumbledore is capable of casting hundreds of different spells from the various schools of magic. These schools include Transfiguration, Charms, and Defence against the Dark Arts, and the spells can be used for offence, defence, and neutral uses.

Non-Verbal Magic: It is typically assumed that wizards must use their wands and verbally recite spells in order to do magic. This assumption is wrong, especially for Dumbledore. Although wizards learn how to cast spells non-verbally in their 6th year at Hogwarts, most of Dumbledore ‘s feats are done with non-verbal magic. Casting spells in this manner is complex, and requires lots of practice and concentration. However, Dumbledore has had many years of experience with this, and has shown to be able to duel Voldemort without having to utter a single word.

Harry hurried over to the door leading to the spiral staircase, but his hand had only just closed upon the iron ring of the door when he heard running footsteps on the other side. He looked around at Dumbledore, who gestured him to retreat. Harry backed away, drawing his wand as he did so.

The door burst open and somebody erupted through it and shouted, “Expelliarmus!”

Harry’s body became instantly rigid and immobile, and he felt himself fall back against the tower wall, propped like an unsteady statue, unable to move or speak. He could not understand how it had happened — Expelliarmus was not a Freezing Charm — (HBP, 397)

Wandless Magic: This skill is even more difficult and rare than non-verbal magic, and only the most skilled wizards are capable of doing it with as much power and efficiency as wand magic. Without a wand, Dumbledore was able to light and extinguish candles, summon hundreds of sleeping bags, remove Voldemort’s magical defences, and save Harry’s life when he was falling from his death.

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Occlumency & Legilimency: These are trained magical skills that involve one’s thoughts. With Occlumency, one is able to hide their thoughts from others. With Legilimency, one is able to read the thoughts of others. Dumbledore happens to be a master of both. Although Voldemort is considered to be the most powerful Legilimence, Dumbledore was equally as strong in Occlumency, being able to fully hide his thoughts, despite the fact that Voldemort was able to read the minds of those less skilled in Occlumency. In the books, Harry Potter noted that Dumbledore always seemed to know what people were thinking and what they were about to say. Dumbledore has also used his Legilimency to extract memories from people. With this skill, he is capable of non-verbally and wandlessly reading the basic thoughts, memories, and emotions of others, allowing him to be one small step ahead of his opponent unless they are trained in Occlumency.

Healing: Dumbledore is also quite skilled at healing, having been able to heal a knife wound on his hand as well as temporarily prevent a deadly curse from consuming his body.

Apparition: This is the trained magical ability to teleport. Although most adult wizards learn this skill, few wizards can utilize it efficiently, quickly, accurately, and in combat. Dumbledore was a master at apparition, even being able to do it silently, which only masters can do. He utilized his ability to apparate while in combat against Voldemort:

Voldemort raised his wand and another jet of green light streaked at Dumbledore, who turned and was gone in a whirling of his cloak; next second, he had reappeared behind Voldemort and waved his wand towards the remnants of the fountain; the other statues sprang to life too. (OotP, 611)

This skill will allow Dumbledore to avoid attacks and reposition himself. It can also be done wandlessly.

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Invisibility: By casting a very powerful Disillusionment Charm, Dumbledore can make himself completely invisible, to the same extent that the Invisibility Cloak is capable of doing:

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He is also capable of casting Homenum Revelio, the human-presence-revealing spell, which is potent enough to detect through the Invisibility Cloak (considered to be the most powerful form of invisibility).

Gubraithian Fire: Another advanced magical skill that allows the wizard to conjure fire that can burn on/in water and will last without ever dying out.

Transfiguration: Having been exceptionally skilled in this field of magic and the Professor for a time, Dumbledore is capable of transforming people, animals, and objects into a variety of things. During the book version duel between Dumbledore and Voldemort, he animated a bunch of statues to protect himself and Harry. In the movie version, he cast a shield to transformed shards of glass into sand. He can transform himself into a tree or small animal, for example, and then turn himself back into a human. Or, he can transform opponents into various animals or inanimate objects . This can be done non-verbally, as “Professor Moody” demonstrated:

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There is a branch of Transfiguration that involves conjuring things such as arrows, water, ice, light, lightning, birds, bridges, fire, ropes, fire ropes, etc.

Charms: This is basically the miscellaneous category of magic because it involves so many different spells and effects. Charms can be used to make things: appear, disappear, vanish, slow down, stop, freeze, move, ignite, explode, grow, shrink, soften, harden, float, narrow, widen, etc.

Combat/Duelling: Dumbledore was a master duellist, having defeated Gellert Grindewald and dominating in his duel against Voldemort, both of whom were considered the most dangerous and powerful Dark wizards of all time. Dumbledore stated that he was as powerful as Gellert (despite the fact that Gellert possessed the Elder Wand), but that he was a tad more skillful than him. The following are some quotes from his book duel against Voldemort:

Dumbledore flicked his own wand: the force of the spell that emanated from it was such that Harry, though shielded by his golden guard, felt his hair stand on end as it passed and this time Voldemort was forced to conjure a shining silver shield out of thin air to deflect it. The spell, whatever it was, caused no visible damage to the shield, though a deep, gong-like note reverberated from it – an oddly chilling sound. (OotP, 612)

Another jet of green light flew from behind the silver shield. This time it was the one-armed centaur, galloping in front of Dumbledore, that took the blast and shattered into a hundred pieces, but before the fragments had even hit the floor, Dumbledore had drawn back his wand and waved it as though brandishing a whip. A long thin flame flew from the tip; it wrapped itself around Voldemort, shield and all. (OotP, 612)

At the same moment, Dumbledore brandished his wand in one long, fluid movement – the snake, which had been an instant from sinking its fangs into him, flew high into the air and vanished in a wisp of dark smoke; and the water in the pool rose up and covered Voldemort like a cocoon of molten glass. (OotP, 612)

And lastly, a quote from the 5th book where he single-handedly took down 4 armed wizards, two of which were Aurors (basically the Special Forces of wizards)

A streak of silver light flashed around the room. There was a bang like a gunshot, and the floor trembled. A hand grabbed the scruff of Harry’s neck and forced him down on the floor as a second silver flash went off — several of the portraits yelled, Fawkes screeched, and a cloud of dust filled the air. Coughing in the dust, Harry saw a dark figure fall to the ground with a crash in front of him. There was a shriek and a thud and somebody cried, “No!” Then the sound of breaking glass, frantically scuffling footsteps, a groan — and silence.

Harry struggled around to see who was half-strangling him and saw Professor McGonagall crouched beside him. She had forced both him and Marietta out of harm’s way. Dust was still floating gently down through the air onto them. Panting slightly, Harry saw a very tall figure moving toward them.

“Are you all right?” said Dumbledore.

“Yes!” said Professor McGonagall, getting up and dragging Harry and Marietta with her. The dust was clearing. The wreckage of the office loomed into view: Dumbledore’s desk had been overturned, all of the spindly tables had been knocked to the floor, their silver instruments in pieces. Fudge, Umbridge, Kingsley, and Dawlish lay motionless on the floor. (OotP, 467-468)

Fire Magic: Dumbledore has shown a particular proclivity for pyrotechnics. Although he uses a variety of spells in combat, he is especially fond of using fire. His best feat of using fire magic (which was also Gubraithian Fire) was when he fought off the horde of Inferi (smarter, stronger and faster zombies) to save Harry and himself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0iQJXEaa28. Note that Dumbledore was extremely weakened and close to death when he did this!

Quote of this feat from the book:

But then, through the darkness, fire erupted: crimson and gold, a ring of fire that surrounded the rock so that the Inferi holding Harry so tightly stumbled and faltered; they did not dare pass through the flames to get to the water. They dropped Harry; he hit the ground, slipped on the rock, and fell, grazing his arms, but scrambled back up, raising his wand and staring around.

Dumbledore was on his feet again, pale as any of the surrounding Inferi, but taller than any too, the fire dancing in his eyes; his wand was raised like a torch and from its tip emanated the flames, like a vast lasso, encircling them all with warmth.

The Inferi bumped into each other, attempting, blindly, to escape the fire in which they were enclosed…

Dumbledore scooped the locket from the bottom of the stone basin and stowed it inside his robes. Wordlessly, he gestured to Harry to come to his side. Distracted by the flames, the Inferi seemed unaware that their quarry was leaving as Dumbledore led Harry back to the boat, the ring of fire moving with them, around them, the bewildered Inferi accompanying them to the water’s edge, where they slipped gratefully back into their dark waters. (HBP, 392)

Movie Duel Against Voldemort: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAHDS5Rn4kg&t=1s

As the fight begins, Dumbledore knocks Harry several feet away while casting a spell that connects with Voldemort’s own spell. Their spells connect and neither of them can gain the upper hand. Voldemort breaks the spell and summon a huge fiery snake, which lunges at Dumbledore. Dumbledore waves his wand and the snake “dies”. He then uses the fire and launches it back at Voldemort in a huge wave, which Voldemort disperses. As soon as that happens, Dumbledore controls the water from the nearby fountain and traps Voldemort in a sphere. Harry gets up and approaches, to which Dumbledore responds by knocking him away again, which momentarily distracts him and allows Voldemort to break free. Voldemort attacks Dumbledore with a black energy-based spell, and Dumbledore shields himself from it. Voldemort’s spell accumulates power, and he releases it, causing a shockwave that knocks Dumbledore down and shatters all the windows in the area. Voldemort summons all the glass shards and launches them at Dumbledore, who creates a shield that turns the glass back into its basic component: sand. Realizing that he cannot defeat Dumbledore, Voldemort flees.

Now that I’ve covered Dumbledore’s own abilities/feats, I will present some spells that Dumbledore can use that I find will be useful/relevant

Offensive Spells

- Stupefy: stuns/knocks out the target for several seconds or minutes (depending on the user and strength of the spell)

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- Expelliarmus: disarms an opponent

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- Petrificus Totalus: paralyzes the opponent

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- Rictusempra: knocks a target back

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- Incarcerous: creates ropes that wrap around target

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- Confringo: causes an explosion of fire (note: spell bounced off snake because he is magically protected by Voldemort)

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- Confundo: causes the target to become visibly and physically confused and disoriented

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Defensive Spells

- Protego: protective shield used against both physical and magical attacks

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- Protego Maxima: barrier focused on an area. Invisible once spell is complete. Wards off magical attacks and causes people to disintegrate upon contact with barrier (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSt7v_KBXdw)

Other Spells

- Periculum: shoots red sparks (can also be used offensively)

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- Lumos: lights up the wand or can be cast as a flare to light up a whole area

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- Reducto: shatters/disntegrates things into pieces

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Here is a 7-minute video of all of Dumbledore's feats from the movies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjgQS65N0ls

As the greatest wizard of all time and the most powerful/skilled wizard of the HP verse, Dumbledore is capable of casting all of the spells I have presented, despite not actually having the feats doing so himself. Most of these spells are taught at Hogwarts, which Dumbledore attended and excelled in. I would even argue that any spell he casts is more powerful than what we have seen by other characters, but that isn't very quantifiable, so I won't push it.

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@diarrhearegatta: @boschepg: my opener is up!

Sorry, I kinda went overboard with my opener lol. I'm just really excited about my characters and this match :D

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@geekryan: good stuff. its long so let me process it all and Ill give you my opening strategy

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@geekryan said:

@defiant_will: Sorry, I have another question.

Is the 2 week training session purely to develop teamwork? Or do we get to prepare for our particular scenario and practice killing zombies?

I'm assuming there is no knowledge on the other team as well?

Thanks! :)

The 2 week training is purely to develop teamwork, and you have no knowledge on the other team unless specified

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@defiant_will: does Sabretooth have his adamantium skeleton? You never answered my question since Sabretooth was ranked both as a 3 and a 4.

@geekryan: @diarrhearegatta:

ok. time to start

This is simple and basic. Your team is getting toasted. Typhoid is in character and she always does it. Its not an energy attack as labeled in her bio cuz its instant spark on person. As shown in bio, its selective on who the flame attacks and yet can flame an entire warehouse, house, tour bus, showing the area of its effect. As shown below that even in rain against Bloodscream that her fires continued to burn. This is also my way to get around the massing zombies around us

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It takes a one panel burn to flash fry her victims. As stated above vs Wolverine, it took some time for Wolverine to heal from the effects of the flash fire. Making him blind. Your team has a healer but not a healing factor, thus definitely causing a distraction for your team as they deal with the zombies and my duo. From the start I believe your team is getting hit hard with fire. Then you have Sabretooth going in for the kill.

Sabretooth is a you know what you have character. I want to state that Sabretooth has defeated Psylocke both times. As you said in your scan, Psylockes battles she did not win all of them. Sabretooth won both of their fights- and showing TP resistance against her psychic knife.. The only fight Psylocke has won against Sabretooth was as you stated a simulation.

Im counting on Mary's fire to disrupt your team and Sabretooth gets one of the three, Typhoid getting another, and either Sabretooth and/or zombies causing damage to the other.

DEBUNKING your probable attacks

I wanted to start that we are all bullet timers here outside of maybe Dumbledore. Its highly established that over the years that we are all at that level

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I wanted to state that transfiguration that you don't have scans of Dumbledore though went through Hogwarts is not allowed in this battle. There is no morphing me into a rat.

I wanted to state that your team strike power comes nowhere near that of Sabretooth's durability as shown above has taken on Chulk, Wendigo, and Warpath - who are all 90 plus ton strength

As we wait for the OP to answer my adamantium question, Sabretooth has dismembered the Phalanx while shackled

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Psylocke

I question the likelihood that Psylocke goes beast mode and goes TK gatling gun since she hasn't done it often. Crossbows/arrows and TK push Ill take as in-character, but not the gatling gun. Now you may push that there is a massive zombie mob around us which was similar to the scenario which Psylocke used the gatling gun - but she has not done it often which makes it non-standard.

Her force fields I don't find to be effective against Mary's attack as Psylocke's force fields are a small AoE spherical nature. It stops attacks from getting in with air to breathe. Mary's fire is on you and thus causing initial physical damage

Elektra

Though I concur with what you state about Elektra I wanted to point out a few things

The 'adamantium' comment about her sai is pure speculation by a demon possessed Red Hulk during the Thunderbolt series - which was quite good. It was also a series in which Punisher was immune to penance stare, defeated Ghost Rider in one page and even depowered GR with his own bare hands. What actually happened in that series tend to be high end feats due to the writer. No depending on what the OP says about Sabretooth's adamantium, that would be definitive while her sais being speculation

As shown, Mary has also chopped a bullet in half with her sword. To be honest, by scans, there is not a huge difference between Mary and Elektra and that is because we are all the same tier level. The only difference is that as stated, any attempt to throw those sais will be stopped by Mary TK and/or redirected

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Dumbledore

I actually think that Dumbledore is a good value at 2 points

The thing is most of his attacks are traveling attacks and the people he uses said attacks are not on speed dodge level that everyone here is on. As you stated you placed Harry Potter-verse attacks at around 50mph. Due to that I use Hawkeye in the past, it is fact that an arrow travels at about 150mph per google. Being able to time and catch said item would mean at least double of the speed. The problem is that bullets travel at 1700mph. Now the ranged energy attacks would be more on par with mental speed.

In Opening Closing

  • your team does not have a speed advantage
  • your team does not pack the damage output to take out Sabretooth
  • your team shielding is bypassed by scans
  • I believe the initial fire attack, which has crisped Wolverine and wiped his vision, causes too much initial damage to correctly defend against team and zombies. You may say that your team would be psi-linked with Psylocke using her TP to get around initial sense deficit until Dumbledore heals your team but I would like to state that both Mary and Sabretooth have numerous years of shielding against such TP locations in which it usually takes issues just to locate said characters - which I can easily provide

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@boschepg: Ohhh boy, this is getting exciting!

I'm still in finals and currently writing out my post for another tournament, but I should have my counter up by Monday!

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This is simple and basic. Your team is getting toasted. Typhoid is in character and she always does it. Its not an energy attack as labeled in her bio cuz its instant spark on person. As shown in bio, its selective on who the flame attacks and yet can flame an entire warehouse, house, tour bus, showing the area of its effect. As shown below that even in rain against Bloodscream that her fires continued to burn. This is also my way to get around the massing zombies around us

It takes a one panel burn to flash fry her victims. As stated above vs Wolverine, it took some time for Wolverine to heal from the effects of the flash fire. Making him blind. Your team has a healer but not a healing factor, thus definitely causing a distraction for your team as they deal with the zombies and my duo. From the start I believe your team is getting hit hard with fire. Then you have Sabretooth going in for the kill.

"Always does it" is a huuuuuge overstatement. And what bio are you referring to exactly?

  • Mary has only combusted non-fodder opponents on a handful of occasions
  • She needs to be quite close to do so
  • It isn't a standard go-to move for her to start a fight with
  • It is hardly consistent for her to use it given the amount of times she has used it compared to the amount of times she has not used it

Even if she were to use it, Dumbledore could easily put the fire out with a number of spells. Lastly, in all the issues she has appeared in in the last 5 or so years, she has rarely (if ever) used it.

Sabretooth is a you know what you have character. I want to state that Sabretooth has defeated Psylocke both times. As you said in your scan, Psylockes battles she did not win all of them. Sabretooth won both of their fights- and showing TP resistance against her psychic knife.. The only fight Psylocke has won against Sabretooth was as you stated a simulation.

This will be addressed later.

"Debunking Your Probable Attacks" Counters

I wanted to state that transfiguration that you don't have scans of Dumbledore though went through Hogwarts is not allowed in this battle. There is no morphing me into a rat.

I'm not sure what you mean by this... Maybe I'm misunderstanding. Are you claiming that because there are no scans of Dumbledore using Transfiguration spells that he is incapable of doing so?

Dumbledore not only attended Hogwarts, but he achieved the highest grades possible in all of his classes, including Transfiguration. He was a Transfiguration professor at Hogwarts for a few decades. He was also the Head of the Transfiguration department, and a writer for the Transfiguration Today scholarly articles. He is considered by pretty much everyone to be the greatest wizard of all time and has received countless awards and accolades for his skill and prestige in magic. There is zero reason to assume he can't use Transfiguration spells based on all of this.

I wanted to state that your team strike power comes nowhere near that of Sabretooth's durability as shown above has taken on Chulk, Wendigo, and Warpath - who are all 90 plus ton strength

Well I'm very glad you brought this up.

Psylocke and Sabretooth have fought each other on a few occasions. Of all those fights, Sabretooth won once, and it was only because his mind was temporarily immune to TP and her psychic knife due to some PIS.

Here is their first encounter from:

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Before even having her fighting abilities and TK, she was able to hold him off long enough for the other X-Men to intervene.

In their 2nd encounter, Psylocke one-shots Sabretooth with her TP:

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Their 3rd encounter is when Sabretooth won, but I'll post the scans anyways:

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You'll notice how Psylocke was able to physically keep up with Sabretooth, and only once her psychic knife proved ineffective did she lose the fight.

Next fight: a Danger Room simulation where Psylocke owns Sabretooth with just her TK:

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Important to note is that though this is a Danger Room simulation, it is considered to be just as accurate as the real thing and it is what the X-Men use to train and run scenarios.

Finally, we have Age of Apocalypse Sabretooth (who has the same powers as 616 Sabretooth) against Psylocke:

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As I showed before, Psylocke has also completely owned Wolverine on multiple occasions, and Wolverine is often shown as Sabretooth's superior. Her TK weapons have also been shown to match and pierce adamantium (which I showed before), so she'd have no trouble slicing through Sabretooth.

Now for Typhoid Mary...

In the X-Men Vol 4 (2013) series, Issue #9, Typhoid Mary was "amped" by Arkea by having her split personalities merged into one. As you might know, Typhoid Mary has split personalities, and her powers work to varying degrees depending on which personality is dominant. Via this amp, all her powers became fully accessible through one cohesive personality. In Issue #12, the following happens:

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Psylocke easily owns Mary. Keep in mind that this was Mary with one merged personality and full access to all her powers. Not once did she use her pyrokinesis throughout this fight or even in the multiple issues she was in.

Psylocke was playing mind games with Mary and toying with her, so she clearly was holding back to some degree. You can tell from Mary's face that she was scared too. Once Psylocke closed in, Mary lasted a few panels in a sword match and was then taken out with one kick to the head.

So there's one of my characters beating two of your characters :) Not to mention Elektra is better than Mary in strength, durability, speed, and skill.

Psylocke Counters

I question the likelihood that Psylocke goes beast mode and goes TK gatling gun since she hasn't done it often. Crossbows/arrows and TK push Ill take as in-character, but not the gatling gun. Now you may push that there is a massive zombie mob around us which was similar to the scenario which Psylocke used the gatling gun - but she has not done it often which makes it non-standard.

It was more for fun that I included the TK gatling gun feat, and I never said she would actually use it. This was the only time she did this. However, if completely surrounded by enemies like she was in the feat, it isn't out of the question that she would use a TK gatling gun to mow them down. I won't push this though, as it won't be necessary.

Her force fields I don't find to be effective against Mary's attack as Psylocke's force fields are a small AoE spherical nature. It stops attacks from getting in with air to breathe. Mary's fire is on you and thus causing initial physical damage

I don't think it is fair to assume that Mary's pyrokinesis would work through Psylocke's TK. There are no feats of this happening on Mary's part. I know it isn't the same, but if Invisible Woman can block Jean Grey's TK with her shields, it isn't far-fetched to draw the same conclusion with our scenario. It is plausible that Mary needs a direct path to the target in order to combust them with her pyrokinesis. However, I won't push this for reasons that I have already addressed.

Elektra Counters

The 'adamantium' comment about her sai is pure speculation by a demon possessed Red Hulk during the Thunderbolt series - which was quite good. It was also a series in which Punisher was immune to penance stare, defeated Ghost Rider in one page and even depowered GR with his own bare hands. What actually happened in that series tend to be high end feats due to the writer. No depending on what the OP says about Sabretooth's adamantium, that would be definitive while her sais being speculation

I never claimed they were actually made out of adamantium, although that isn't outside the realm of possibility.

Regardless of if you think the series contained "high end feats due to the writer", it is still valid feat. She has stabbed other opponents with superhuman durability, i.e. Red She Hulk, Silver Samurai, Whiplash, etc. She has also stabbed straight through a Skrull with Ghost Rider's powers.

Furthermore, just like Wolverine, only his skeletal structure is made out of adamantium. This means he can still be stabbed in certain vital spots, i.e. the eyes, throat, etc. Both Wolverine and Sabretooth have been stabbed with regular weapons many times in the past, despite their adamantium skeletons.

I also showed how Elektra is very skilled with pressure points and nerve strikes, and has used them on Wolverine before too. Elektra could take out Sabretooth with these methods just the same.

As shown, Mary has also chopped a bullet in half with her sword. To be honest, by scans, there is not a huge difference between Mary and Elektra and that is because we are all the same tier level. The only difference is that as stated, any attempt to throw those sais will be stopped by Mary TK and/or redirected

There's one huge difference between Elektra and Mary....quantity of feats. Whereas Elektra has dozens of bullet-timing feats, Mary has very, very few. In fact, you only posted two, and although they are impressive, it is not enough for her be considered Elektra's equal. Unless you can provide a few other bullet-deflecting/dodging/slicing feats of a similar caliber, the feat of her cutting a bullet is an outlier and hardly makes her a consistent bullet-timer like Elektra is. Here are some more speed feats to get my point across:

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  1. Dodging point-blank bullets, moving faster than a camera can catch, blitzing people, etc. (For context: IIRC, she allowed herself to be captured)
  2. Deflects an energy blast with her sword
  3. Dodges multiple projectiles thrown by Bullseye, arguably the most accurate villain on Earth
  4. Casually takes down 2 men before they can finish a sentence
  5. While close to death, she's still faster than a rattlesnake
  6. Deflects a point-blank shot with a pipe
  7. Catches an arrow fired by Bullseye (under disguise as Hawkeye)
  8. Blitzes SHIELD agents

Elektra has much better and more consistent bullet-timing feats than Mary.

Lastly, Elektra is more likely to throw shuriken than her own sais. With how skilled and fast Elektra is with shuriken, it is unlikely Mary will be able to stop them with her TK unless Mary's full focus and attention are on Elektra and she sees them coming. One feat of her being able to stop a few darts with her TK isn't enough.

Dumbledore Counters

I actually think that Dumbledore is a good value at 2 points

Tbh, Dumbledore & Voldemort being 2 points is a steal. But Harry Potter was also a 2 lol

The thing is most of his attacks are traveling attacks and the people he uses said attacks are not on speed dodge level that everyone here is on. As you stated you placed Harry Potter-verse attacks at around 50mph. Due to that I use Hawkeye in the past, it is fact that an arrow travels at about 150mph per google. Being able to time and catch said item would mean at least double of the speed. The problem is that bullets travel at 1700mph. Now the ranged energy attacks would be more on par with mental speed.

Dumbledore is definitely the slowest one here, but he will be taking more of a leadership/support role on the team anyways.

Many Charms and Transfiguration spells don't involve projectiles at all; they simply require the wizard to point their wand at the target and cast the incantation. A slight mist is released from the wand at times as a visual effect, but it is not a projectile. Spells such as Petrificus Totalus, Confundo, and Expelliarmus don't involve an actual projectile. Same goes for many Transfiguration spells. The only time a Transfiguration spell has been shown to involve an actual projectile is in the example I gave of "Mad-Eye Moody" turning Draco Malfoy into a turret.

As for the speed of spells, I only used arrows and the speed of a pitched baseball as examples because those are the only quantifiable comparisons in the HP verse. However, if you watch this clip (skip to 0:58), you'll notice that spells are pretty damn fast. They hit almost instantly. Dumbledore won't be going for your team unless he needs to, but even if he did, I don't see how either Typhoid Mary or Sabretooth could anticipate and dodge a spell while distracted by the zombies, Elektra, and Psylocke. All Dumbledore needs is a clear shot and one spell is all it takes.

His ability to apparate also makes him the most mobile character here, since he can easily teleport away from the zombies or Sabretooth.

My Counters To Your Team

Typhoid Mary

Her TP invisibility is all but useless in our scenario. We start within view of each other, so there goes your element of surprise. Psylocke's TP is far superior than Mary's, and because my team is mind linked, it won't work on any of them either.

Her physicals are also pretty weak compared to Psylocke and Elektra.

Sabretooth

His strength and durability are impressive, but Psylocke has at least matched his physicals before, and Elektra could too given that Elektra is above Psylocke in physicals.

Neither Mary nor Sabretooth have any magical resistances as well :)

Strategy

My strategy is quite simple. As I mentioned before, Dumbledore will be the leader/support of the team. As our teams and the zombies spawn, Dumbledore will focus on the zombies while Elektra and Psylocke take on your team. Psylocke will link my team telepathically right away as well.

As he did against the Inferi, he will create a firestorm barrier around my team, which will easily take out any and all approaching zombies. He will create a gap in the barrier with Partis Temporus, providing Elektra and Psylocke with a direct path to your team. As the fire is centered on our area and not yours, your team will remain unprotected from all the other angles. As you will note in the clip I provided in my opener, Dumbledore doesn't need to channel this spell the whole time and can cast other spells simultaneously. This will allow Dumbledore to fire spells against your team as the openings present themselves.

Regardless of the match-ups between Elektra & Psylocke vs. Typhoid Mary & Sabretooth, your team doesn't stand a chance. Mary is physically outmatched by both Psylocke and Elektra, and she especially doesn't stand a chance against Psylocke's TK. Psylocke can use her TP to anticipate Mary's moves, so if she decides to try and burn my team, Psylocke can stop her before she gets the chance. With zombies coming at your team from behind and the sides, Dumbledore firing spells at every opening, and my physically-superior team in CQC, Sabretooth and Mary are going down very quickly.

Sabretooth will be harder to take down, but Psylocke can take him out with her psychic knife or TK, Elektra can stab him in his vital spots or use pressure points, or Dumbledore can get off a good spell on him.

GG.

Conclusion

  • You barely addressed the zombies and instead chose to focus purely on my team. This won't be an effective strategy as you are outnumbered by both my team and the zombies. Focusing on my team will leave you open to the zombies. One zombie is enough to kill a distracted Mary. Sabretooth will be harder to take down.
  • I proved how Psylocke can beat and has beaten both Mary and Sabretooth
  • Elektra's physicals are more than enough to take on Sabretooth and easily take out Mary
  • Psylocke's TP, TK, and psychic weapons gives her a huge advantage against your team
  • Dumbledore's raw power and versatility will allow him to deal with the zombies on my team's end and fire spells at your team, at the same time
  • Mary's pyrokinesis isn't as standard as you claim it is, and it can be countered and/or accounted for by Psylocke/Dumbledore
  • Mary's TK and TP are very weak and practically useless in our scenario
  • My team holds the advantage in offence, defence, and versatility

Your move!

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@geekryan: That was a well thought out reply. I shall eviscerate it in a couple days though. I don't feel so good today. Hope it clears up tomorrow but I feel bad

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@geekryan: argh!!!!! the site just ate my long reply. luckily I backed it up before attempting to post. I will post it by mindnight EST. all I have to do is reformat the pics and quotes, so Ill tag you when I do it again

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@boschepg: Oufff, that is brutal! Glad you backed it up though!

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@diarrhearegatta: @geekryan:

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part 1

And what bio are you referring to exactly?

Just the bio stats I placed in my opener.

"Always does it" is a huuuuuge overstatement.

Thankfully comicvine has a good comic appearance section to refer to to back my side of the story - which I will later

Mary has only combusted non-fodder opponents on a handful of occasions.

That's is a stretch. She flames everyone

She needs to be quite close to do so

We are starting well within range for Mary's power. We are starting right across the street from each other. As shown in my previous scan, we are more than in range for her flame attack

It is hardly consistent for her to use it given the amount of times she has used it compared to the amount of times she has not used it

Uhm...that is fake news and will show below

Debunking Your Probable Attacks Counters reply-

it can also be called you view Psylocke differently than I do

part 2

Im not sure what you mean by this...Maybe I'm misunderstanding. Are you claiming that because there are no scans of Dumbledore using Transfiguration spells that he is incapable of doing so?

No. Im stating the fact that according to the rules of the tourney signup, you cannot transfigure my team .

Psylocke and Sabretooth have fought each other on a few occasions. Of all those fights, Sabretooth won once and it was only because his mind was temporarily immune to TP and her psychic knife due to some PIS

Uhm...your count is actually wrong so let me reply but let me post other Psylocke scans of Sabretooth's TP resistance . There is no PIS according to the multiple X-Men scans

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According to their first fight as you stated, and you posted the whole fight, Sabretooth gets blasted by her Psi-bolt and continues the attack. She is weakened by the Cerebro enhancement when she gets the backlash from attempting to connect with Sabretooth's mind. She runs and it isn't until the X-Men come and rescue her. That isn't an actual win in a fight

In their 2nd encounter, Psylocke one-shots Sabretooth with her TP

This is inconsistent writing due to the above scans I provided between the two and there is some context to the scan you provided. Its also a moot point since the rules state you cant TP attack me in that way.

I cant explain how all of a sudden Psylocke was able to psi-blast Sabretooth after numerous scans I provided otherwise above. But notice that Psylocke's armor protects her (in Uncanny XMen 243) but Creed is able to shred it and then comes the her psi-blast. In Uncanny XMen 240 she receives enhanced armor that takes on both Colossus and Rogue in training. Without that armor, Sabretooth guts Psylocke. Its more inconsistent writing to amp Psylocke than anything

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We shall continue

The 3rd encounter is when Sabretooth won, but Ill post the scans anyways:

Im glad you stated he won and that he survived being blasted by Boom Boom at point blank range to then defeat Psylocke

Next fight: a Danger Room simulation where Psylocke owns Sabretooth with just her TK:

Important to note is that though this is a Danger Room simulation, it is considered to be just as accurate as the real thing and it what the X-Men use to train and run scenarios.

Uhm....no it isn't. That wasn't my Sabretooth and should not be counted as a win. It was a computer simulation.

Finally, we have Age of Apocalypse Sabretooth (who has the same powers as 616 Sabretooth) against Psylocke

Again, this wasnt my Sabretooth. All Marvel characters are 616 versions. Feats from AoA or Exiles Sabretooth don't count in my scenario. Its a good angle to bring up if they have never fought, but actual feats trump simulations and alternate showings

Outside of the 616 versions that the X-Men interfered with, the actual fight where we both admit that Creed won, there is also this one. Please notice the constant ability for Creed to catch Psylocke's psi-blade and renders her useless as with the battle in which we both admit he won

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There was another fight in which Creed was shackled and Creed still got his shots in. It was even suggested by Hank and Warren that she would not have won an even fight

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Per feats and context, Sabretooth always gets the upper hand on Psylocke unless Wolverine shows up

In the X-Men Vol 4 (2013) series, Issue 9, Typhoid Mary was "amped" by Arkea by having her split personality merged into one. As you might know, Typhoid Mary has split personalities and her powers work to varying degrees depending on which personality is dominant. Via this amp, all her powers became fully accessible through one cohesive personality

That happens to be the recurrent theme with Mary nowadays. The merger seems to be constant too, thus her power access. There was the Avengers Initiative, Shadowland, and the horrible writing in Typhoid X-Men since her convergence in Avengers Initiative in 2009

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Psylocke easily owns Mary. Keep in mind that this was Mary with merged personality and full access to her powers. Not once did she use her pyrokinesis throughout this fight or even in multiple issues she was in.

Gotcha here

Just let me point out that Mary's X-Men appearances is bad writing. She just appears in Gen X, and of course X-Men vol 4 in 2013 - one arc. Her brief showings in these X-related titles show that the X-writers do not know the character since her showings in her realm in DD and Spider-Man and such are more consistent. She is a non- X-character with low showings in that battle. Like come on, M ran through Echantress' magic that can do wonders on Thor in the very same arc. That is called WIS . Those showings show the writer of that arc don't know squat of the people he picked for the series

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Since 2013 is what you are basing your notion that Mary doesn't flame people from the start since the merger here are similar times where she flames people from the start and non-fodder people

Shadowland 2010

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DareDevil (issue 46 vol 2)

torches Matt and Jessica Jones

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Typhoid Spider-Man(2018)

torches Spider Man

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More Shadowland torching Spider-Man

again torches Spidey - who isn't fodder

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More DareDevil (issue 17vol 5 2017) and also Black Panther. (Most Dangerous Man Alive 2011)

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Hawkeye and Deadpool (January of 2015)

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I showed half of this in her bio but notice she torches the tour bus across the street

So I ask you and any voter reading this, which is more consistent showing - her one arc showing in X-Men that I call BS or her numerous showings in her recurring roles in Spiderman, DareDevil and Wolverine? Because there are way more showings of her flaming people from start and also non-fodder people - which proves everything in your General Counters sections at the beginning of your reply false.

Psylocke Counters reply:

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It was more for fun that I included the TK gatling gun feat, and I never said she would actually use it. This was the only time she did this. However, if completely surrounded by enemies like she was in the feat, it isn't our of the question that she would use a TK gatling gun to mow them down. I wont push this though, as it wont be necessary.

It was a good feat. I would even agree that the logic of its use probably would be correct. Its a high end, one time effect much like Hawkeye's deus exmachina arrows and wouldn't be considered as a standard feat. I wont push it though since you wont push it

I don't think its fair to assume that Mary's pyrokinesis would work through Psylocke's TK. There are no feats of this happening on Mary's part. I know it isn't the same, but if Invisible Woman can block Jean Grey's TK with her shields, it isn't far-fetched to draw the same conclusion with our scenario. It is plausible that Mry needs a direct path to the target in order to combust them with her pyrokinesis.

I have to address this line of thinking for many reasons

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  • · I think its fair to bring it up in a battle since Mary's pyrokinetic abilities are psionic and thus spark instantly on the person as shown above.
  • · Though true, there are no feats of Mary using her psionics vs force fields her power set brings up an interesting point in this battle. As I said before, Mary's flame are not an energy blast like Human Torch or Pyro. It sparks on the person. I know for a fact that Psylcoke can use her TP through her TK force fields, thus showing a bridge between another person and Psylocke through her force field. Since Mary's pyrokinesis isn't a TP attack, it is acceptable. Since TP can work through Psylcoke's TK force field I am assuming, and actually bringing it up in battle that her psionic flame would work - of course this is just battle theory
  • · you are correct - Psylocke's TK force field s not the same as Invisible Woman's. Sue's force field is continental level which was pushing islands in the 90s. I don't draw the same conclusion since Invisible Woman is a more powerful character than Psylocke's and not even in the same battle tier
  • · I wouldn't say it is plausible that she needs a direct path to target to flame an object as stated above. Its an interesting battle theory that is worth to be brought up in your defense but I have also laid out above why I think it would work in battle theory

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Elektra Counters reply:

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I never claimed they were actually made out of adamantium, although that isn't outside the realm of possibility.

Again, I would need more showings of any adamantium reference. Since Elektra is your character the onus is on you to prove otherwise just as I proved Mary flames people from the start. If not, I wouldn't consider this a fact

Regardless of if you think the series contained "high end feats due to the writer", is still a valid feat. She has stabbed other opponents with superhuman durability, i.e. Red She Hulk, Silver Samurai, Whiplash, etc.

What I wrote was a little confusing and I apologize. The stabbing feat on Red Hulk and the others are legitimate for the character. There was even some stuff in that series (which I loved) that was on par with what Elektra does. I wasn't calling everything in the series BS. I was more pointing out the adamantium aspect.

Furthermore, just like Wolverine, only his skeletal structure is made out of adamantium. This means he can still be stabbed in certain vital spots, i.e. throat, etc. Both Wolverine and Sabertooth have been stabbed with regular weapons many times in the past, despite their adamantium skeletons.

Im not denying Creed and Logan have been stabbed by weapons. I never stated Creed wouldn't be slashed or said he was invulnerable. Its their healing factor that makes them go and go though in battle.

Hey, I totally get that Logan can be stabbed with adamantium. If you are making Wolverine the standard for Sabretooth since they have never fought than Mary has defeated Logan twice. Scans above of their first fight above and this of her second time. So I know they can stabbed. Sabretooth and Elektra have never fought so it brings up an interesting battle

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I also showed how Elektra is very skilled with pressure points and nerve strikes, and has used them on Wolverine before too. Elektra could take out Sabretooth with these methods just the same

Im well aware of the Enemy of the State battle you are referring. I want to point out that every time the sais were removed Logan kept coming. I wont post the battle since it is quite known (if that is okay with you) He was conscious the whole time though.

I would also point out that since this is a team battle that Elektra's sais are well within her TK weight limit to be removed to give Sabretooth defensive cover if such an attack were to occur since I have also shown she can flame and use TK at the same time

There is a huge difference between Elektra and Mary...quantity of feats.

Im not denying that. Elektra is a beast

Whereas Elektra has dozens of bullet-timing feats, Mary has very, very few. In fact, you only posted two, and although they were impressive it is not enough to be Elektra's equal. Elektra has much better and more consistent bullet-timing feats than Mary

I just want to point out the elephant in the room - no one is firing a gun in this battle. I just posted it as filler since everyone tends to put up bullet timing.

Also, Elektra has three times as many appearances in comics than Mary - so it would be logical she has more feats. Posting more than one does set standard that she is the 'bullet timer'

I also want to point out that Mary is a bad guy, thus she is usually with the people that are firing the guns.

And lastly, she usually burns them to death before it even gets to that point

Lastly, Elektra is more likely to throw shuriken than her own sais. With how skilled and fast Elektra is with the shuriken, it is unlikely Mary will be able to stop them with her TK unless Mary's full focus and attention are on Elektra and she sees them coming. One feat being able to stop a few darts with her TK isn't enough though

Shurikens are lighter than than a sai, thus it would be under Mary protection and as shown she multi-task her powers.

Are you saying Elektra throws objects at bullet speed?

I just want to point out that you keep posting fights against Mary and are slightly hinting at Sabretooth. That is a mistake as I keep bringing both back into the fold. Since Mary and Sabretooth have never fought Elektra it is highly debatable on comcvine vs threads. Someone said it best, how do you dodge being set on fire - and I agree with it. I also want to point out that Mary does use her power in conjunction with her fighting. Im not saying Mary is a better fighter than Elektra on pure H2H skill. She is close with power though and since you posted the scans of Hawkeye Bullseye kicking her butt until she spiked him with an arrow and we cannot forget that Bullseye killed her years ago, it is highly known by her fights with DD and other streets that she is on Bullseye level and we all know what Bullseye did to elektra

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Dumbledore Counters reply:

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Dumbledore is definitely the slowest one here, but he will be taking more of a leadership/support role on the team anyways

Fair enough. You said it.

Many Charms and Transfiguration spells don't involve projectiles at all; they simply require the wizard to point at the target to cast the incantation

I just want to point out that even without projectile effect, you stated it actually takes a physical gesture for the spell. Mary is a psion. Thought works faster than physical action every time in battle theory.

As for speed of spells, I only used arrows and the speed of a pitched baseball as example because those are quantifiable comparisons in HP verse. However if you watch this clip you'll notice that spells are pretty damn fast.

Fair enough of the arrow explanation, but the clip you provided showed a shootout. Are you saying that the spell is as fast as a bullet? I would have that covered than. Are you saying its as fast as lightning? Cuz I will also have that covered since Mary is a psion and TP powers work faster than anything above in battle theory

Dumbledore wont be going for your team unless he needs to, but even if he did, I don't see how either Typhoid Mary or Sabretooth could anticipate and dodge a spell while distracted by the zombies, Elektra, and Psylocke. All Dumbledore needs is a clear shot and one spell is all it takes.

Its easy, Mary is flaming everything. I have shown multiple scans where she can flame an entire area and render it to ashe in one panel.

I also want to point out that you cannot transfigure my team. You cannot TP blast my team. You can do it to the zombies, but not my team. Its the rules of the tourney.

Also, what damage output are you putting out on Dumbledore if an when he does fight, cuz I have shown Sabretooth take on Chulk, Warpath, and Wendigo. All high level damage output. Mary is a psion once again, thus her attacks are speed of thought speed. Not point and happen speed.

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Typhoid Mary TP invisibility all but useless in our scenario

Granted. Wasn't even bringing it up in battle theory

Psylocke's TP is far superior than Mary's, and because my team is mind linked, it won't work on any of them

Granted. To bad TP is only limited to mind reading and not actual TP attacks - though I would counter if it were that Psylocke does not open with butterfly effect ever since she has become ninja

Her physicals are also pretty weak compared to Psylocke and Elektra

Im sure glad I keep showing how Mary uses her pyrokinesis or you may have me here

Sabretooth strength and durability are impressive, but Psylocke has at least matched his physicals before, and Elektra could too given that Elektra is above Psylocke in physicals

I wouldn't call physically crippling Psylocke on our undisputed battle victor over Psylocke as equaling. I also put other 616 feats. You may have a case in Elektra, but since I placed the damage output can take out Logan with healing factor, are you saying your entire team can take that damage soak on initial attack. Ill post it again incase you forgot

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All Im saying is that if you keep bringing Logan as the standard (which is fine and understandable) than I have provided Mary and Sabretooth standard vs Logan/

Strategy reply

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My strategy is quite simple. As I mentioned before. Dumbledore will be the leader/support of the team. As our teams and the zombies spawn, Dumbledore will focus on the zombies while Elektra and Psylocke take on your team. Psylocke will link my team telepathically right as well as well

And if we to assume we are both spawning at the same time (which is to be assumed) while Dumbledore is focusing on the zombies I will flame your entire team

As he did against the Inferi, he will create a firestorm barrier around my team, which will easily take out any and all approaching zombies

Which pretty much is my strategy but Mary is psycho and is flaming everything outside of herself and Sabretooth.

He will create a gap in the barrier with Partis Temporous, providing Elektra and Psylocke with a direct path to your team

And you will get flamed. Dumbledore may be a 2 with his fire but you aint beating Mary who is a 4 with fire.

As the fire is centered around our area and not yours, your team will remain unprotected from all other angles

If my team was just standing there waiting to be hit by your team. They aren't so its moot

As you will note in the clip I provided in my opener, Dumbledore doesn't need to channel this spell the whole time and can cast other spells simultaneously. This will allow Dumbledore to fire spells against your team as the openings present themselves

And as Dumbledore and your team is getting burnt to a crisp, which I showed was in Mary's character, I see Dumbledore screaming in pain before he dies a horrible death unable to cast any healing spell or transfiguration spells

This will allow Dumbledore to fire spells against your team as the openings present themselves

As stated, my team is surrounded entirely by fire. Your spells have been questioned on damage output and unable to transfigure my team according to rules. All Im saying is that Dumbledore isn't going to offensive and defensive mutli tasks my attacks, do your strategy, and the zombies

Regardless of the match-ups between Elektra and Psylocke vs Typhoid Mary and Sabretooth, your team doesn't stand a chance

I don't see it that way.

Psylocke can use her TP to anticpate Mary's moves, so if she decides to try and burn my team, Psylocke can stop her before she gets a chance.

Im assuming you are under the impression that Psylocke throws up TK shields and is able to stop Mary's psionic fire from erupting behind your TK shield? So Mary does one psychic attack with her fire and you read Mary's mind and also throw up TK shield in that time Mary is just focused on flaming you??? I have to wonder also, how come Psylocke just doesn't throw up TK shield more in H2H battles, cuz I stated that in battle theory that it should work

Sabretooth will be harder to take down, but Psylocke can take him out with her psychic knife or TK, Elektra can stab him in his vital sports or use pressure points, or Dumbledore get off a good spell on him.

Uhm...Psylocke has never beaten 616 Sabretooth with attacks allowed as I explained earlier. Elektra's attacks are defensible by Mary's TK, and Dumbledore doesn't have the damage output to take on Sabretooth. There is a reason my teams are 4s and your teams are 2s and 3s

Conclusion:

I burn your team and Creed begins to hack.

Seriously though, I just want you and people to think this out.

We have both shown the range to hit with both stating fire attacks - we are only a street throw apart.

The only difference is that my person flames people - in character.

Two of certain attacks are not allowed - TP bolt and transfiguration of my team

I have a healing factor. Even if it just a small burn its pretty much an AoE as a distraction

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@boschepg: Nicely done! I should have my post up in a few days

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@boschepg: Sorry for the delay! Lots of info to go through and I've been busy. My post will be up by Saturday for sure though

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@boschepg: Sorry for the delay! Lots of info to go through and I've been busy. My post will be up by Saturday for sure though

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@boschepg: not sure what the deadline is, but i'll need 1 more day to post. Sorry for the wait

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@boschepg: not sure what the deadline is, but i'll need 1 more day to post. Sorry for the wait

dont worry. Tis the season

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@boschepg: Happy New Year!

It is to my understanding that this tournament is dead. I haven't seen much progress in the other matches and the host has been MIA for awhile.

We can finish this if you want, but with no time constraints? Up to you :)

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@geekryan: Im always down to finish a thought. At least get it to votes

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