Mio Takamiya vs. Othinus (Date A Live vs. Toaru Majutsu no Index)

Conditions:

• Mio is at her strongest, and this is Magic God Othinus.
• Othinus and Mio are in-character.
• Standard equipment for both.
• Mio and Othinus have no knowledge of each other and don't get prep-time.
• The fight takes place in Tengu City.
• Othinus and Mio start out 1km apart.
• Win by any means necessary.

Mio's Ain soph then she win.

@mio_takamiya_0: Unless she can destroy and remake the universe in an instant then no that is what full Magic God Othinus does casually like it's nothing doesn't even need to think about it One eyed Othinus/Odin at full power she litterally destroyed the universe without even putting in effort and then remade it also without effort billions and billions of times as billions and billions of different hells all to break Touma unless Mio can do that then she's screwed i will admit i can only give info on Othinus so help me understand Mio

@craytherlaygaming: @craytherlaygaming:

She can destroy anything at her will in Ln vol 19 she can place her world(spirit world) in the entire solar system and destroy the entire solar system they said. mio's ain soph is no joke when it comes to remade and manipulate everything at her whim thats why her hax as classified as universal+. Ain can literally erase everything and ignore the durability of the opponent no matter how powerful the opponent is. In her world you cant use your power she can bend the law and make her own law. She can also disperse the opponent power and lock it.

@mio_takamiya_0: Okay then their of equal power i guess we should Let Screw attack handle the rest cause IT'S TIME FOR A DEATH BATTLEEEE

Lmao. Othinus shitstomps this fodder.

Also, her powers are an obvious ripp off from the kabbalah lol.

@mio_takamiya_0:

"She can destroy anything at her will in Ln vol 19 she can place her world(spirit world) in the entire solar system and destroy the entire solar system they said. mio's ain soph is no joke when it comes to remade and manipulate everything at her whim thats why her hax as classified as universal+. Ain can literally erase everything and ignore the durability of the opponent no matter how powerful the opponent is. In her world you cant use your power she can bend the law and make her own law. She can also disperse the opponent power and lock it."

Othinus could literally do all those you listed. The only difference ia that Othinus works more in a much higher scale and in a much complex verse lol. I mean, this loli could literally warp the entire world of phases in which has metaphysical realms and realms that are infinitely above another lol. Also, that Ain sooh abbilty is wrong in many ways lol. Ain Sof, or Eyn Sof, in Kabbalah, is suppose to be God prior to any self-manifestation in the production of any spiritual realm or known as "the Endless One", Not a fucking hax.

So yeah. Othinus shitstomps due to having way more better feats.

@coolguy18: who's power?

@nwname: Mio's Ain sof.

Edit: Othinus curbs the verse. (Unless there's an omnipotent entity in the verse lol)

Lol? Mio's birth created a universe where she rule over them(neighboring world) which is ain soph so tell me how am i wrong? Care to explain?😁

Ain soph is considered as hax because she can basicaly create a law (law hax) :P. She can also warp the entire universe through the help of her MICHAEL :P your spouting nonsense without even searching :p so boo you😁😂

@mio_takamiya_0: I think he means that they are using the Ein Sof wrong. The Ein Sof is from the kabbalalic philosophy which means the infinite void of nonexistence before the manifestation of God. IT IS AN OVERPOWERED THING. But in Date a live, they made it a fodder hax.

Anyways, Mia takamiya gets shitstomped here to oblivion. She controlled a universe? Othinus controlled a multiverse with conceptual and metaphysical realms and can destroy/make billions of them with a flick of her finger. Law manip? Almost all Reality warpers has that. But Othinus has Conceptual hax to back it up in the form of the Gugnir.

So yeah, Mio and her verse gets reduced to nothing in a spam of one second. Also, stop those emoji's pls, it's not funny.

Ah okie.😁

Since mio has retrieved her other sephira crystal from other spirits she can enhance those prowess with ease now she is a 10 star spirit(complete form multiversal+ stats). Not only she control 1 universe but rather multiverse(including the neighboring world her own dimention) she clash with the 2nd spirit of origin in multiversal stats and tohka too. She can also make her own dimention or universe because tohka already did it in vol 20 or 21. Michael its a concept manip to prevent that gungnir to be a hindrance to her. :P

No one is gonna be reduced because with just a mere thought from mio shes gone in 0.1 sec :P

@mio_takamiya_0: ...What?

"Since mio has retrieved her other sephira crystal from other spirits she can enhance those prowess with ease now she is a 10 star spirit(complete form multiversal+ stats)."

-How dies that make her multiversal? Give me context pls.

Not only she control 1 universe but rather multiverse(including the neighboring world her own dimention) she clash with the 2nd spirit of origin in multiversal stats and tohka too. She can also make her own dimention or universe because tohka already did it in vol 20 or 21.

-And? Lol, all you listed is fodder to Othinus. Othinus can also create universes, realms, etc. And she can do it BILLIONS OF TIMES in a row in a spam of a micro second. This isn't funny. Also, how "Large" is the Date a live multiverse lol, Othinus warps an infinite realm with 11-D geometrical space with complete utter ease and has complete control over it lol.

Mjchael its a concept manip to prevent that gungnir to be a hindrance to her. :P

- You should not really just go and say this "thing" beats that if you have no idea what you are talking about. Do you know what the Gugnir is?

**Gungnir (主神の槍 (グングニル) Shushin no Yari (Gunguniru), lit."Lance of the All-Father"): Othinus' spear, it's a 3m golden spear with a ribbon-like design intertwining with each other at the end of the handle and below the blade. With its help, she can manipulate probability, making it so that she has a 100% chance of success while using her powers through which she overcomes her previous 50% chance of success limitation. It is this weapon that makes her a full magic god. The lance itself has multiple properties as a weapon**

In short, is is a weapon that frees Othinus from all her restriction, and gives her infinite possibilities. Wielding thjs spiritual item itself allows her to unify her possibilities towards 100% success, allowing her to use her Magic God powers freely to destroy, create or change the world as she sees fit.

And it can be used offensively in the form of Gugnir throw, and it's principles are;

1.The lance was made to be thrown.

2.The lance would always hit its target once thrown.

3.The lance could not be shot down or destroyed mid-flight.

4.The lance would always return to its owner’s hands after piercing the target.

That lance would destroy the symbols of human power.

Once the spear leaves her hand, the world of phases (Which is an infinite multiverse) get's after to pieces.

So yeah, do you think Micheal can stop something like that? The moment Othinus throws the Gugnir, Mio dies. Oh, just let me leave something here, but there was a guy in to aru who has transcended every single archangels in the verse. And guess what, got shitstomped by Othinus.

No one is gonna be reduced because with just a mere thought from mio shes gone in 0.1 sec :P

-No, the one getting erased in 0.1 seconds here is Mio, not Othinus lol. Othinus casually warps a much more larger, more complex, and more potent verse than Mio lol. Hell, Date a Live's multiverse isn't even infinite. Also, from what i have seen, Mio only created and rules ONE universe and she needed some OP move like Ain Sof just do it, while Othinus has complete control, and casually CREATES AND DESTROYS infinite 11-D universes while yawning. Mio is severely Outclassed here. Hell, even Fiamma would curb Mio to the ground due to achieving LPSAD and had control over the higher phase of heaven, and he got SHITSTOMMPED by Othinus. So yeah, Othinus doesn't even need the gugnir here. She breathes and the entire date a live verse gets smashed to oblivion.

well well well... throwing her staff wont do any good it will just pass through her, her staff can cut the power of human right? unfortunately shes not a human but rather a power,a being with no physical body so its useless throwing her staff to her. in her dimention the logic and laws are not the same with the original world so destroying her dimention wont do any good aswell since it already has a law just like what mukuroh did to seal mio's ain soph but rather the tip of her lock goes back to her and penetrate her neck, attacking her angel its like attacking yourself. whats stopping mio from conceptual erase othinus from the very fabric of existence? from what i've read on another post she doesnt have resistance on conceptual attack so rip othinus. mio think and fiamma is disappeared.

in the latest volume tohka acquire the power of the spirits and she can CHANGE and AMPLIFY the effect of her power in her own will that made her the spirit of origin 3 and unlock her true power. othinus didnt destroy the universe but rather she added a phases/layer that will look like she destroyed it.

mio became the will of the world so basically she has access to all timeline and universe so destroying her will be difficult. mukuroh can lock fiammas power with ease.

It doesnt matter if she has reality warping at her disposal it wont do a thing anyway she can put a law or create a law where she forbid her to use her power and she can mimic her power through haniel it doesnt matter what they are.

You forgot to tag them @coolguy18@assultstriker

@mio_takamiya_0: Okay, first of all, your grammar is weird, so I'll just try to understand.

well well well... throwing her staff wont do any good it will just pass through her, her staff can cut the power of human right? unfortunately shes not a human but rather a power,a being with no physical body so its useless throwing her staff to her.

...Wut? Okay, true, Gugnir is more effective when used against himands due to the conceptual precedence, but even when used against non humans, it still destroys the to aru multiverse, including the conceptual and non physical realms. So unless Mio has some feats of surving multiversal collapse, she is getting blasted to hell.

her dimention the logic and laws are not the same with the original world

So? That kind of shenanigans aren't new to magic gods. They have complete control over Logic and laws itself, they can literally turn 1+1=3 lol.

so destroying her dimention wont do any good aswell since it already has a law just like what mukuroh did to seal mio's ain soph but rather the tip of her lock goes back to her and penetrate her neck, attacking her angel its like attacking yourself.

How that does make you survive universal destruction lol. Also, cool abillity, fodder to reality warpers.

Whats stopping mio from conceptual erase othinus from the very fabric of existence?

Wow, that's rich asking me that, more like WHAT'S STOPPING OTHUNUS FROM CONCEPTUALLY ERASING MIO FROM EXISTING hm? Because via feats, Othinus hilariously outclasses Mio lol.

from what i've read on another post she doesnt have resistance on conceptual attack so rip othinus.

What? She has no resistance over Conceptual attacks? When she is legit immuned to 90% of her vesrse, and that Includes dudes with potent conceptual haxes LOL.

More like, Does Mio even have conceptual resistance against dudes In Othinus' level? Because you only throw words without feats to back it up.

in the latest volume tohka acquire the power of the spirits and she can CHANGE and AMPLIFY the effect of her power in her own will that made her the spirit of origin 3 and unlock her true power.

And?

othinus didnt destroy the universe but rather she added a phases/layer that will look like she destroyed it.

Ah, back to this reasoning again. Yes, this is true, she only adds phases. Bit how does she does it? SHE OVERRIDES THE FORMER PHASE, DESTROYING IT IN THE PROCESS, AND GIING BIRTH TO A NEW ONE. AND SHE CAN DO THIS INFINITE TIMES IN A ROW WITHOUT STOPPING. let's see if Mio can compete hm?

mio became the will of the world so basically she has access to all timeline and universe

Cool. Nothing new and fidder to magic gods lol. They have complete control over the infinite timelines of the verse, and even t8me itself, and manipulates them on their whim. So yeah.

so destroying her will be difficult.

Othinus breathes and she dies.

mukuroh can lock fiammas power with ease

Again, this is the problem if tou keep throwing claims without backing id up. Does thar Murkuroh have a feat of sealing a power in the level of fiamma? You should show a feat lol, or what? It can even seal Lucifer's power? LOL.

It doesnt matter if she has reality warping at her disposal it wont do a thing anyway she can put a law or create a law

Cool. Othinus does the same in a much larger and complex world.

she forbid her to use her power and she can mimic her power through haniel it doesnt matter what they are.

And that is a huge ass NLF. Again, you have to prove that she can seal the piwer of someone in the level of Othinus. If u dont, then u mean she can even Mimic the powers of WOD mages? Lol.

So yeah, i don't know if im right, but you seem to be a joke. You keep ignoring my points, and keep throwing nlf shits. From the feats you shown, OTHINUS HILARIOUSLY OUTCLASSES HER. And you say that She erases Othinus when yiu have no feats to show that she is even i the same level as Othinus? Oof. Talk about fanboying hard.

Pretty sure Othinus got this both in AP and hax.

Okie thanks im not very used to chat in english hehe...

"Wut? Okay, true, Gugnir is more effective when used against himands due to the conceptual precedence, but even when used against non humans, it still destroys the to aru multiverse, including the conceptual and non physical realms. So unless Mio has some feats of surving multiversal collapse, she is getting blasted to hell."

So ok i guess that might work but that doesnt change the fact that she already knows her ability in the first place since she possessed RASIEL an all knowing book(omnicient).. this book can tell her anything she wants to know or how othinus powers work and how to counter it. Throwing her staff will goes back to her she can create space time wormhole and re direct the attack.

Origami tobiichi when shes in inverse spirit form and it stated that in the LN that she "DESTROY THE TIMELINE/WORLD" which is shes much weaker compare to mukuroh who had the power of MICHAEL who can conceptually lock anything even power or destroy the molecular bond that holds together which is much weaker. From what your saying she can defeat all of the MAGIC GOD INCLUDING AIWASS AND ALEister by just "THROWING" her staff and then boom miracles happen.

"So? That kind of shenanigans aren't new to magic gods. They have complete control over Logic and laws itself, they can literally turn 1+1=3 lol."

So? Date a live cosmology is infinite and it stated that her own universe is much larger. since her dimention is already release without calling its name(maybe passive ability i guess) they are in her world where she has COMPLETE access to possibilities that she can law hax herself by saying "NO ONE CAN HARM ME" and she can invoke death to anything even abilities or powers by just saying "die" when shido tries to use all the angels to attack the creator it instantly vanish from thin air...so anything that othinus throw at her she has immunity(reality warping in a multiversal scale{when mio tries to use her angel on herself it didnt work}). But even tho they have access to laws and logic but to an extent only. Even NORMAL people can who has reiryoku and artifical territory just like ast/dem has access to reality warping in a smaller scale.

"What? She has no resistance over Conceptual attacks? When she is legit immuned to 90% of her vesrse, and that Includes dudes with potent conceptual haxes LOL.

More like, Does Mio even have conceptual resistance against dudes In Othinus' level? Because you only throw words without feats to back it up."

Prove it that othinus has conceptual resistance then.....

mukuro hoshimiya is the former vessel of "MICHAEL"who can CONCEPTUALLY LOCK ANYTHING but again within mio's space she can resist it or rather has immunity against it by impart a law into herself.

"And?"

And?ofcourse she has access to it as a creator of sephira crystal and were talking here "IS AT HER STRONGEST" which is she can changed the effect of her angel and amplify it to an extent.

"Ah, back to this reasoning again. Yes, this is true, she only adds phases. Bit how does she does it? SHE OVERRIDES THE FORMER PHASE, DESTROYING IT IN THE PROCESS, AND GIING BIRTH TO A NEW ONE. AND SHE CAN DO THIS INFINITE TIMES IN A ROW WITHOUT STOPPING. let's see if Mio can compete hm?"

That doesnt sound like she COMPLETELY DESTROY THE WORLD but rather she just eradicate the flaws and make a new flaws for example "the apple on the tree has no worm but in another phase the apple LOOKS LIKE it doesnt have a

Worm but the inside of it it has." Which is im bad at explaining wahahahahhahahahaha im tryin my best here wahaha but as i said "she didnt completely" but rather she just make a new desired outcome to a smaller scale that will look like she destroyed the world.

"Again, this is the problem if tou keep throwing claims without backing id up. Does thar Murkuroh have a feat of sealing a power in the level of fiamma? You should show a feat lol, or what? It can even seal Lucifer's power? LOL."

So ok lets start with mukuroh... every spirit has the ability to see if someone is a threat to them and they can sense them from far away no matter how far it is. Mukuroh live in a vast space for years and when DEM discover that shes in space they act immediately and then mukuro sense the incoming dem robots and troupes and suddenly she just point her keys into to their direction and saying lock.

When shido tries to copy her angel she pointed her keys to him and says lock ( she can lock powers or those who are trying to mimic her angel ) she even lock her memories. She even threat shido that she will lock the rotation of the earth and everyone will die. She can conceptually lock anything whenever she pointed her keys she almost lock mio's ain soph(multiversal) but the law is the law hahaha.

"And that is a huge ass NLF. Again, you have to prove that she can seal the piwer of someone in the level of Othinus. If u dont, then u mean she can even Mimic the powers of WOD mages? Lol."

Mukuro whose much weaker and she almost LOCK mio's power but due to mio' world it has already a law. If mukuro fight outside of her world she can surely lock it with ease.

"And you say that She erases Othinus when yiu have no feats to show that she is even i the same level as Othinus?"

AIN is her trump card where she illuminates the world with light and she can ERASE WHATEVER SHE WANTED TO IN REALITY AND IT IGNORE ALL LAWS TO ERASE THEM PERMANENTLY without a trace of ash.:) so basically it ignore all law,reality warp and everything they do until she erase them completely.

The only time she was hurt due to being slash by tohka who has all the power of all spirit including mio. Tohka(multiversal++)><mio(multiversal+) then mio used her trump card to eradicate her permanently which it ignore even durability, laws and everything she has resistance to.

Erasing mio from existence wont work. When mio tries to commit suicide she used her angels to kill herself but it didnt work due to the fact that she has immunity to it.

@mio_takamiya_0: What a long ass post. But you just repeated the same arguments again and again and keep ignoring my arguments. I am not going to bother anymore, you can't argue with a ignorant fanboy after all

Hax? Mukuro? Erase? Ignoring laws?

I alreasy adressed all those shit. Othinus can do all those shit, BUT BETTER.

And the amount of NLFs in your arguments dude.

DC Lucifer tier Mio confirmed lol

At least i know how to post feats unlike you ;) who keeps saying "SHES BETTER" without proving anything haha whatta joke.

Whatta nayce.

@mio_takamiya_0: what do you mean i didn't post any feats? Did you forgot the gugnir feat above? Lol, if that's how you want to play it, then;

Othinus casually destroying the world (aka: universe) because she was bored.

Besides of casually wrecking and recreating reality as she fit, she dis it countless times against Touma just to mindbreak him.

Thor ruling over one universe is fodder compared to Orthinus who rules infinite worlds

Another bits of her broken-ness

Magic Gods can do anything by their nature, even defy themselves.

Having complete control over an 11-D world:

Proof of 11 D^^^

And countless more worlds that are metaphysical amd conceptual yada yada.

So there you go. Feats. Now, you see how Mio is severely and hilariously outclassed in every regard there. Mio only rules over two worlds yet othi rules over infinite worlds, coupled with good shit such as probability, casualty, and math manipulation.

And bold of you to say that you provided feats WHEN YOU NEVR PROVIDED ONE. You, and your entire arguments is basically just "mUh, mIo haS mUkuRO, iMmuNeD to lAw manipULaTion BecAUsE sHe crAaTe LaWs, ANd cAN mIMic aNYthINg, DoeSnT MaTTeR wHAt tHEy aRe, E9, LuCIfEr, wHO CarEs, MiO cAn ErAsE aNy ThIMg wITh AiN sOPh, ShE OP, I WaNT HeR tO sIT On My FaCE AHHHHH"

And you say I am funny that I didn't give a feat, well guess what dude, "hahahahahahahhahahaha", you are the funny one now by your standards.

You are just an NLF Mio cocksucker. Now send me her so called "Multiversal++++", omnipotent mimicry and omnipotent Ain soph bullshit Feats. Then again, I doubt she even has feats to match Othinus. Oh wait, with wank, anything possible lol.

11-D in To Aru is String Theory and hence meaningless in scaling. Regardless, as far as I am aware, To Aru >>>>>>>>>>>> Date A Live in cosmology and hax. Anyways, at least To Aru was nice enough to be somewhat accurate in their use of Kabbalah, unlike DAL.

wtf is that? Othinus shitstomps in an instant.

Othinus godstomp

Othinus solos DaL

mio stomps

How strong is Mio’s opponent?

@thewatcherking: at least above infinite multiversal. With highball prob hyperversal.

Btws Ain Soph never erased sth. Tohka was erased by Ain.