Minato VS Nagato

@Adi_Frost:

get a load of this;

@XiantherMalde said;

killer bee is above minato in foot speed (same kilker bee was destroyed by kisame).

Rasengan is lower than lariat which is one of the strongest attacks hence why they do it in combo as the ultimate technique.

V2 bee lariat is what nagato tanked (emphasis on TANKED).

Asura path missiles while he is pulled inwards will kill him. (after saying minato can teleport to dodge attacks)

Minato couldnt escape tobi base without ftg (what else was he suppose to do just stand there?

And even then tobi was holding back because of kyuubi. (this cracked me up... im still laughing right now).

@zuriel-el: its not the same jutsu. There is a reason why two jutsu have different names. Yasaka magatama is said to a deity weapon in databook.

Shunshin and footspeed is different. Minatos reaction speed is of light not shunshin. And he relied on ftg too much yet got reacted to easily. Bee has better reaction speed than minato yes and also better footspeed as minato always relied on ftg. Sasuke was the first one to dodge the V2 lariat according to bee other than A.

Sasuke was heavily injured before fighting bee ywt he had that speed and reflex. Other than kurama minato, he loses. Even kurama minato is debateable as KCM naruto was far faster than minato but still got caught and lifeforce drained by king of hell. So kurama minato defeats nagato barely.

@XiantherMalde:

chidori and raikiri

god weapon? does that mean totsuka no tsurugi can destroy it too.

shunshin is a speed jutsu that uses foot speed. sasuke ran up to deidara and tobi and yet tobi called it shunshin.

actually sasuke never faced a version two lariato, and raikage is faster than bee because he gave a stronger sasuke than the one bee faced a beating.

sasuke wasnt injured before fighting bee. did you even read the manga or did you fall asleep watching the anime. kcm naruto is beneath bm naruto and yet its bm that is confirmed to be on minatos level speedwise.

dont tag me if youre going to keep posting crap. i dont want to start pulling up links. (it would embarrass you).

@zuriel-el: lmfao. Jugo said Sasuke didnt heal from his injuries in his fight with itachi.

Shunshin is not footspeed. Sasuie collected chakra before "running" like that lol. Shunshin is linear movement hence why he couldnt jump and cut deidara up in the air.

"Stronger beating" hahaha When did I say Sasuke faced V2 Ae lariat? I said Sasuke faced V2 bee lariat. Bee and Ae were equalized when they did lariat on kisame so V2 Bee = V2 Ae in speed.

Were did you get raikage fought a "stronger sasuke" lmfao

"BM is confirmed to be minato's level speedwise" lmfao, again where are you getting these confirmations from? BM minato still uses shunshin you know? He almost always uses shunshin. Or Ftg. Yet in footspeed and even if minato uses shunshin, sasuke overcomes him easily. As proven in the war arc Sasuke cutting madara while minato failed to a juubito.

Post links tho. Then again, nagato obviously makes his speed almost useless because shinra tensei is omnidirectional and activates at the speed of light and covers a wide distance of entire konoha at his deathbed. Bansho Tenin activates at the speed of light, this info is from databook. Even if minato escapes the arm Asura path can blast explosions omnidirectionally and take away his footing. Nagato has exceptional durability which minato cant penetrate, even bijuudama gets attracted towards CT and while his attacks get attracted, Nagato can go invisible with chameleon and attack minato from where he doesnt look even if minato reacts, ST would push minato a distance and then soul rip of human path absorbs his lifeforce.

Asura path chains coukd grab someone as physically powerful as bee who could block V1 Ae in base with a lariat to protect naruto. So minato once caught wont be escaping the chains.

@XiantherMalde:

scan or link...

it is. sasuje ran up to them and...

http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/357/11

http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/357/12

tobi says its shunshin

http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/357/13

what do you think v2 bee Is.

sasuke hadnt mastered kagutsuchi or manifested susanoo fighting bee.

kcm not at minatos level

http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/505/12

http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/505/13

bm minato class.

http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/571/3

(kakashi mistook him for minato).

what do you think shunshin is. shisui was a master shunshin user, hanzou also was a master at it

so please define shunshin no jutsu (or do yourself a favour and try educating yourself)

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Body_Flicker_Technique

(sit down!)

you're thinking im comparing minato to eos sasuke no im not (his speed increased and he has teleportation. its the sasuke that fought ay and bee.

shinra tensei will not be able to do any real damage, kakashi took two of it before going down and he lost because he wasnt fast enough to stab pain. (speed is minatos forte). foot and all.

even if he did that several fodder survived it plus minato can have a kychiyose take the full brunt of the blast then kill a nagato that is weakened and devoid of tendos power. no shinra tensei or banshou tennin.

i want the page of thatt data book displayed here.

asura bombed omnidirectionally fighting kakashi it didnt take his footing, in fact kakashi exploited it to switch with a clone.

he absorbed the attack, it wasnt durability that saved him against v2 bee

minato is a sensor, how is a camelion helping here, and shinra tensei wont stop minato from teleporting, plus he coukd always switch with a clone and attack the same way itachi did. plus once asura bombs the battle field theres going to be dust and that will leave nagato a sittng duck.

minato caan teleport, what yiure suggesting is akin to saying you'll stop nightcrawler with a pair of hand cuffs

@zuriel-el: http://mangalife.us/read-online/Naruto-chapter-477.html

Tobi Says using MS technique totally drain him out in seconds. I'll accept he was healed fully by karin though.

V2 bee has levels I'll admit. He has the thin cloak and the thick cloak. Sasuke fought the think cloak and bee said sasuke was the only one to dodge it apart from Ae.

http://mangalife.us/read-online/Naruto-chapter-413.html

Sasuke was heavily injured according to jugo so take that into consideration.

http://mangalife.us/read-online/Naruto-chapter-415.html

I cant find the databook but both bee V2 and naruto KCM have been unable to avoid it, no reason why BM minato should be safe considering V2 Bee is equal to Ae in speed. Minato wouldnt be able to come near nagato since he can the missiles guided by asura path on minato multiple times and then use king of hell and human path, both of whom just needs to touch the victim for the victim to stop thier movements.

Jigokudou

It's a heartless act to manipulate life and death by calling on the ruler of hades!!

The soul of the living is pulled out in-order to be eaten, this hijutsu (hidden jutsu, I.E. clan jutsu) calls out the ruler of hades. To lay down life's burden unconditionally the soul is eaten. The power is drawn out the instant the jutsu users touches (litterally to lay ones hands on) someone, resistance is impossible. Once grasped the person can only await death. Directed towards judging the authenticity of the answer to the question, the gift of a tranquil death awaits a person who states falsehoods.

^ just one touch is enough.

Dont forget naruto couldnt sense nagato so you can forget about minato with a lower sensing, sensing him out.

The ST force will put him in mid air and asura path can use an omnidirectional blast which destroyed 1/4th of konoha at that time.

Nagato tanked bee's attack. Then absorbed.

@XiantherMalde:

http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/477/7

no.

v1 and v2, v2 is the cloak that can actually fire bijuu dama.

http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/413/4

news flash his brother is slower than minato.

sasuke wasn't wounded when he dodged the so called number 8. Karin had healed him.

minato can teleport, he doesn't have to run. plus he can teleport the missiles on contact to a kunai near nagato and have nagato take damage from his own attack.

how does that fit into anything.

minato will teleport. he doesn't have to physically dodge anything.

kcm doesn't sense chakra (he isn't a better sensor in anyway when it comes to chakra), kcm senses malice.

and what syops minato from teleporting to a safe place then.

he absorbed it. otherwise explain why amaterasu was able to do extensive damage to his body. when same jutsu took time burning trees.

@zuriel-el: sensing malice didnt work.

Agree on V1 And V2 , just that Ae is faster than minato or why didnt minato dodge Ae with his shunshin or footspeed? Why use ftg always? Nope. Ftg is considered part of his speed by DB. You didnt read jugo's words did you? Jugo clearly said his wounds from itachis fight werent healed fully and he was affected physically in movement and reflexes because of that.

Bee has faster reaction speed than minato at base he caught minato with eight tails tail and then shoved a knife before minato realized hence the question mark above him.

Nagato easily reacted to KCM and Bee V2 who has far faster reaction than BM minato and V2 Ae considering the fact Ae wasnt able to react to minato's attack, but bee was. So V2 bee's reaction speed would be higher than BM minato through estimation yet nagato was able to catch bee.

Nagatos invisibility cannot be sensed hence why KCM naruto couldnt do it. Nagato could use the shared vision of all his animals and then use ST and ningendo simultaneously while minato is in the air, if minato teleports, nagato will know his location because of the various chakra in the markings and even if minato somehow pulls it off, nagato uses asura path and continously blast explosions which with one blast obliterated 1/4th of konoha. Minato cant keep teleporting when all of these paths and shared vision work simultaneously or Gigantic ST would wipe out the kunai or bury the markings so minato teleport underground and injure himself in the process.

Preta can also be utilized simultaneously so minato cant use his ninjutsu.

nagato both rounds mid dif

MInato either wins or flees. There is absolutely no way Nagato can defeat Minato, as Minato can pretty much teleport away from all Nagato moves, which makes the push and pull , as well as the gravity sphere useless. Minato has markers all across the land of fire from what I know, worst case , he just runs away.

Now, if he was forced to stay within a certain range, he would lose I admit it, but other than that it takes someone like Madara to actually beat Minato. The teleportation ability is really broken. Why do you think they never gave it to Naruto, sure he can move really fast, but teleportation is a much more useful thing.

Here is what is going to happen is Minato is going for the kill. He lets Nagato initiate the soul rip jutsu, marks him during the process and teleports away. Then he sends a shadowclone to teleport to Nagato which Nagato is going to push away, and right after that, during the cooldown, real Minato pops up and slits his throat.

Still Nagato.

Minato is strong enough fast enough and smart enough to beat nagato in either round. Minato wins.

Round 1- Nagato

Round 2- Minato

Minato not taking down a prime edo nagato if KCM Naruto couldn't do it. Only with Kurama Chakra that minato win

@superdragonfly9: Nope that gives Nagato an even easier win he'd just absorb kuramas chakra again

@kgb725: KCM Minato is on another level similar to BM Naruto. He has the speed + power to take Nagato down. Naruto may have let his Guard down fighting NAGATO but MINATO is a smarter fighter. KCM Flying Thunder God taijutsu would wreck nagato

Nagato can win both.

Minato is a much smarter fighter. He'd win both rounds.

Nagato stomps.

Nagato Godstomps Round 1

Nagato stomps round 2

This round 1 minato has no way at all to put him down.

Rounds 2. Nagato can just summon gedo statue and one shot

Minato and Tobirama are Speedsters / Hirashin and Shunshin experts still have Kage bushins are dangerous opponents regardless of shinobi level (disregarding God tiers and Tanks as Hulkage)

Minato has Hiraishin: Dōrai this Ninjutsu Space – Time is very useful against opponents with great firepower.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZK32145Dd8M

Minato has chances but Nagato is favorite

Minato both rounds

Nagato stomps both rounds.

Nagato edges out Base Minato in a close fight.

KCM Minato stomps.

Going with Minato both rounds

Round 1: Nagato wins

Round 2: Could go either way due to Nagato's versatility but leaning more towards Minato taking the majority.

Base Minato stomps any version of Nagato

R1 Nagato in what is the toughest fight of his life
R2 Minato in what is the toughest fight he ever does on panel

If KN8 naruto could break out of chibaku tensei and beat nagato then kurama avatar minato should be able to beat him but with much less difficulty

even though it doesnt say in the thread but prime nagato > edo nagato and edo nagato was raping kcm naruto.

minato

No prime nagato had trouble hitting hanzo with the spirit dragon and got his legs permanently injured to the point where he needed a mecha to walk after that encounter.

This is the same hanzo who nearly lost to mifune mind you and edo nagato managed to body both bee and kcm naruto so to say prime nagato scales above his edo self is completely illogical like he could not even summon the full gedo mazo or use it's power while rinnegan obito managed to control and use it's full power

R1 Nagato

R2 Minato stomps