Minato vs Katakuri (naruto vs one piece)

@utkanflash:

-Nah! Versatility goes to Katakuri... He flat out copied alot of luffys moves, while having his own moveset, he has the spear, haki, awakening, & different forms of his df thanks to mochi... Not to mention he's sticky!

- Speed wise I'd give it minato travel wise, but reaction time, combat & striking speed goes to katakuri

- Katakuri predicted Luffy before he came outta the cake/mirror world... He wasn't able to pinpoint which Luffy was in the bunch!

- The same can be said for minato... He doesn't have feats for fighting against opponent who can see literally into the future... However, Luffy did react to blueno when jumped out of his door space-dimension!

Katakuri's haki let's him see distant "events", before they happen! Minato bending space-time is an event that works inside katakuri's observation of events, not outside of it! FTG doesn't effect the opponents perception of time/space, it effects minato & the distance "HE's" is at! Not what Katakuri sees!

1. Really? Kinda jus said he was teleporting and attacking faster than kamui which is faster than Ay and is one of the fastest techniques in Naruto. Minato threw a kunai a couple of feet in the time it took for Ay, who is many times faster than lightning, to move an inch, teleported away and back and was almost going to attack him all before Ay at that speed could move an inch. That was all when Minato was in base form and caught off guard. Sage mode increases reaction time SIGNIFICANTLY. Kcm VASTLY increases movement and attacking speed.

After marking obito, Minato teleported in front of him and stabbed him before Obito could activate kamui to phase through.

2. Did you not read anything I said? Constant teleporting and attacking faster than Kat can deal with physically is what allows Minato to land hits on Kat. Jus cuz he can see it doesn't mean he can move out da way, otherwise he would literally be unbeatable. SMDH, if Luffy with vastly inferior speed, intellect, combat skill, experience and versatility, could hit and beat Kat, than Minato beats him with even less effort. And uuuuuuuh Minato can teleport Kat TO him rather than vice versa.

3. Aight bet. Here's da thang tho..... Kat isn't allowed Haki, save for his limbs and weapons. So Minato blitzes and smashes big ball rasengan's charged with Kurama's chakra into his face, back, chest, stomach or groin.

4. "So pretty much minato is going to waste a lot of chakra for 10hrs straight trying to utilize your plan?"

Nigga.....yes. Did you forget that he got the entire half of kurama? That ALONE lets him continue fighting intense battles all day straight. That's on top of Minato already having above average chakra control and reserves. Plus you make it seem like he'll need 10 hours to beat Kat. Goof.

"All Katakuri has to do is just stand there & focus on using future sight and his mochi body... Then mold effortlessly, to evade/counter minato according to his every move... Similar to how he did Luffy at the beginning of their fight"

The beginning......the beginning.....beginning. The BEGINNING. So before Kat got whooped by that very same person? May I direct you to the same point of the fact that Luffy BEAT Kat and hit him multiple times despite Kat's "almighty future sight" And uuuuuuuh Minato can teleport Kat TO him rather than vice versa. Minato beats him easier than luffy did, aight?

@messiahblack9: what a horrible argument

What feats does ay have that put him at multiple times faster than lightning?

He has 0

He technically doesn’t even have a feat of being lightning speed.

He relies on scaling from itachi reacting to Kirin in which he didn’t have to move at all and was forewarned this attack was coming.

I’m not going to address any other part of your argument until you can quantifiably prove ay is several times faster than lightning.

Katakuri wins under these conditions

@messiahblack9:

1.) Attacking faster than kamui? What does this mean?

Point is minato doesn't have striking speed feats that are on par with Luffy... FTG is only fast travel speed wise not striking speed wise... Minato would beat Luffy in a race, but Luffy can throw punches faster than minato can move...

2.)"Constant teleporting and attacking faster than Kat can deal with physically is what allows Minato to land hits on Kat. Jus cuz he can see it doesn't mean he can move out da way"... Katakuri doesn't need to move... He can shape his mochi body to evade all attacks before minato uses them like... how he did luffy's gatling... The only reason why Luffy tags Katakuri while minato doesn't is cuz Luffy has faster striking speed!

3.)Here's Da Thang Doe... Minato's never shown big ball rasengan... N Katakuri can easily clash/match minato's rasengan with a haki punch & rebuild his lost limb (that's if he loses it) or evade it by molding his mochi body.. Your comment was a failed point!

4.) Nooo! Naruto who has higher chakras than minato fought all day (mostly periods of rest & talking in between) Naruto isn't minato, also you're scaling off Edo minato who has endless chakras... Minato in this battle isn't Edo do his reserves are lower & more limited

Clearly you've only proven you don't know what you're talking about... This comment (minato can teleport katakuri to is) is moot AF, minato can only teleport things with FTG sealed on them... Given the fact that minato needs to tag katakuri & minayo lacks "G4 snakeman Luffy striking speed feats", Katakuri using haki will see minato planting the seal before it happens & make sure to evade getting touched!

@dudeav: bruh.

1. What do you mean "what does this mean"? I jus explained in the argument that it was to address your call for Minato's reaction and attacking speeds since Kamui is one of the fastest space time jutsu in Naruto. Simple.

So what if luffy can attack faster than Minato straight up? I just explained teleporting and attacking simultaneously is what gives Minato an edge, boy. Minato has fought people who attack faster than him physically. Like, Ay..... and he did just fine. In fact, that fight is a good example of how it would work. You say luffy could attack faster Minato can move but......so could Ay. Doesn't matter, because his reaction time is far superior and can teleport as soon as he reacts. No need for actual movement. He has teleported in rapid succession many times before.

2. Ok.....

so what's Kat gonna do when Minato's whole body gets to Kat to attack him far faster than luffy's punches could ever travel in the same time frame? Sure Kat morphed out da way of his attacks but Minato can teleport to Kat faster than luffy's punches had reached him. Then Minato can attack, teleport, and attack again in a different spot before Kat can morph out da way. It's been shown that all you need to overcome Kat's future sight, is faster speed. He was kept on his toes and eventually pushed back by snakeman type speed, so clones teleporting and attacking especially while kcm is active definitely overcomes Kat eventually.

3. Lmao aight so I see you tryna mock now, people mock what they feel threatened by. Like how Kat should feel threatened by Minato....

Who, by the way, has definitely shown big ball rasengan. Do you even know what that is? A regular rasengan is the size of a human palm. A big ball rasengan is around the size of a human head or bigger. Minato has shown many rasengan of that size or larger. Also, when he was in kurama avatar he showed a massive rasengan the size of the avatar cloak. I know it ain't allowed here but just more proof. Plus since he can perfectly create rasengan with one hand and mastered it, why wouldn't he be able to simply add more chakra to it, thus making it larger? That's like saying goku wouldn't be able to make a spirit bomb the size of a planet because he hasn't been shown to, but he knows the technique and all he would need is more energy. Simple.

Kat is not morphing out of the way of multiple clones who are faster than luffy, can teleport, throw kunai from multiple angles at speeds far beyond him, who are far smarter combatants and all fight much better than him. Just not happening.

4. Nobody said Naruto's Feats extended to Minato. Of course Naruto has more chakra than him, but Minato has half the damn nine tails which equals out to about 4-5 other tailed beasts as we know, even as just one half.

Who's scaling off edo Minato? Cuz I'm not. Why you making up lies now? Even if I did, that would actually make Minato weaker than his living self except for having less chakra and not being immortal. Obviously Minato has only shown kcm in edo but the OP allowed the form in this battle, so. Either way you look at it, kurama would give Minato crazy stamina/chakra, power, speed and healing capabilities. End of story.

Minato already has every tree in the forest marked and has multiple clones and will use KCM to further boost his speed, strength and durability. Or sage mode to boost his reaction and sensing even beyond that. So tagging Kat=no diff. Again, you seem to carry this notion that if Kat can see it he can evade it, which is just completely false.

Yeah cuz his future sight allowing him to see and dodge everything before they happen worked out so well for.........oh wait.

Nawww you've just proven that you're kinda sensitive and faulty in almost everything you say. No points for effort.

Did you get all that, Billy?

@skrskr: aight? Don't address it then. Ain't nobody was talking to your goofy ass anyway.....

@messiahblack9:

1.) "Minato reacting & attacking kamui", sounds nice.... But, what does this mean "speed wise"? How do you scale this feat? Snail speed? Lightning speed? Light speed?

In the battle with Ay, minato dodged "ONE" "LINEAR MOVING" punch from Ay (which is predictable)...

Not a multitude of rapid moving punches,that are constantly chasing you down (not as predictable)...

But what happened after minato dodged Ay's punch? Bee intercepted minato's follow up attack on AY! Which is my point... In this scenario Kat would've already seen through this planned ahead & tagged minato due to future sight!

2.) Just cuz minato can move faster than Luffy from A to B doesn't mean he can punch or strike faster than Luffy... Jet culverin gets faster the more you evade it, making it harder to evade... While minato doesn't get faster after teleporting with FTG

3.) Minato has every tree marked, yet Katakuri can use awakening & turn the surroundings & battle field into mochi... So, wheres minato going if all his kunais are submerged in mochi?

@dudeav:

1. Bruh I BEEN telling you that the whole Kamui feat wasn't my main argument and just a bonus feat, so aside from that, let me jus address it one last time. Kamui has also reacted to the top tiers in Naruto, not that I wanna get into that argument but it has kept up with most speedsters even in the last arc of the series. Has teleported away a point blank explosion after it exploded, a kunai covered in lightning thrown by high/god tier shinobi, teleported pains rocket after being launched, a nail shot at him by pains almighty push. In terms of both Kamui being the same Justu and stated that if kakashi teleported obito away at the same time Obito teleported himself away it would "double" the speed thus making them relatively the same speed individually. So because of that Obito's Kamui has to be activated upon his reaction to things as it can only be kept up for 5 minutes and yet he has also reacted to Ay blitzing him, jonin tryna attack him, might Guy's taijutsu, Naruto in bijuu mode/KCM2, kakashi wit his lightning blade, tailed beasts and their jinchuriki, etc but that's that.

Answer me this, if a lightning bolt was shot directly at yo face and was only and inch from hitting you, does it REALLY matter if that is "PrEdIcTaBlE"? It's literally right in his face and he only reacted and started to move AFTER it was in front of his face so no, being predictable holds no weight in this argument.

Yes it was one punch rather than many but if you could teleport anywhere regardless of distance does it really matter if Kat throws many "unpredictable" punches when Minato could instantaneously teleport behind Kat or away from the slew of punches entirely? You act as if I'm saying Minato gonna be dodging one punch at a time which he may or may not be able to do but in reality if Kat throws multiple attacks at him Minato could literally teleport 100 feet away if need be and back instantly. Plus you seem to forget Minato has multiple clones all attacking at the same speed and power. So if Kat is focused on trying to hit just one and throwing many unpredictable guided punches then the other clones got him from every other angle.

Yes bee intercepted a younger base form Minato who wasn't really too keen on attacking him outright in the first place. But later we see a war arc Minato in KCM teleport blitz Obito from across the entire battlefield and attack essentially as he is about to teleport so as to land the assault almost instantly upon arrival (which he did) before Obito could even launch a jutsu with one hand sign. And why you keep assuming Kat can jus dodge anything he see's??? Clearly not the case since.......u know.

2. Lemme stop u right there, I assume you only using luffy as scaling? Cuz if not then he not even in this battle so he irrelevant.

Ok? And? Of course Minato doesn't get faster. Why? Cuz instantaneous teleportation is literally the pinnacle of speed. Nothing is faster. Plus KCM and SM are added for even faster combat and reaction speeds, gg.

3. (1.) Kat would have to transform the entire forest ground etc. into mochi which is more than he has shown, as well as keep it sustained the whole time. (2.) Minato can walk on it thanks to chakra control directed to the feet. As it allows you to walk on water and fluid that would otherwise stick you to one place and not let you move such as the sticky starch syrup. Awfully similar to mochi.....so Minato is good. (3.) Minato does not have to teleport directly to a mark, he can and has, teleported within several feet of a placed marker. Them being submerged in mochi doesn't render them useless, jus moves em down a bit, so what? He also can set a seemingly infinite number of marks with his own hand, so if he and his clones are out there setting marks he'll have dozens to hundreds instantly once again as well as the dozens of kunai he always keeps on him. Plus u, know..........he gonna be marking Kat in no time anyway. GG.

Katakuri stomps

if this is base minato then anyone with decent Observation haki stomps the living crap out of him, what is a mere rasengan gonna do, Katakuri one shots minato with a common punch.

What use is seeing the future if your opponent is faster?

@grandtoaa: Minato is not faster than time bruh. No need to even go there he is nowhere near as fast as Katakuri mere regular common blitz or movements.

This is mismatch. But its so funny to see narutotards thinking that Minato stomps. Lmao base CoO can react to light speed.

@messiahblack9: . Luffy Observation Haki which is less less LESS efficent than Katakuri Future sight could react to light speed. Plus katakuri haki is like continent++ durability. Don Chinjoa haki which is weaker than katakuri could fucking turn a whole ice continent into pieces with just his fucking head.

Katakuri and Minato has same speed when it comes to physical movement, but with tp of course minato is faster, but katakuri future sight deals with it easily.

If he do mark him what he gonna do rasengan him? Oodama rasengan? Stab him? Kick/Punch him? Do all that at the same time with 1000 clones? His haki is like continent++ durability. No way that shit gonna pierce through.

Madara who doesnt have future sight reacted and cuts off sage mode minato arm(sage mode which supposedly greatly increase reaction). If minato shows up infront/back/side of katakuri, he just need to time his continent lvl haki punch to minato before he teleports away. Boom he dead.(That would be easiy considering Pacifista light speed laser was dodged easily by Luffy, Katakuri knowing where he gonna appear will be easy to time his punches)

About the marking. Remember madara escaping magnet rasengan? He uses limbo to get immobilized instead of him? Katakuri could then do that same thing, uses his mochi to get marked instead of him.

Even with Bijuu Mode Minato. Katakuri stomps. Only one wrong move from Minato then he finish.

Katakuri one shots Minato to oblivion and proceeds to solo the verse. Katakuri is unbeatable to these fodder h2h. Minato's best chance is to spam BBS everywhere and die one shotted.

Katakuri Stomps Base Minato but Loses to BM Minato.

@lordxandre I can't even begin to explain how completely wrong your argument is without laughing first ahahaha specifically because I actually think u believe what you done said lmaooo.

Okay first.......pacifista beams are NOWHERE NEAR light speed whatsoever. At all. Not even close to being close. And haki has never reacted to anything even close to that speed. So that's irrelevant.

Next please...

Kats haki is also only dreaming of coming close to even city level, let alone fucking continent++ LMAO. Splitting a veryyyy small portion of an already small "ice continent" doesn't equal continent level, it jus proves dons head was sharp enough with Haki and his force behind it to crack the durability of the ice (which I do agree was really tough). He didn't split the whole thing and he didn't come anywhere close to destroying it which he would have to do in order to be continent level. But if I can punch a hole through an apartment building wall does that now mean I'm "building level"? Nawwwwww it means I can punch hard enough to break through brick or whatever material I hit and that I'm most likely not even wall level. Now if I turned the whole building to crumbs then I would be building level. Don ain't even split it very far, maybe a hundred feet at best and only a few dozen feet deep as the treasure isn't that far down from the surface. But that's not the same as obliterating a continent and it damn sure isn't enough to say it's continent level.

This is you trying to tell me that luffy legitimately has above continent++ level durability since luffy was hit multiple times by katakuri who was using Haki which negates luffy's invincibility to blunt force........that's retarded.

That also means that you honestly believe that luffy is also continent++ in power since he actually could hurt Kat past his Haki which you falsely believe is continent++ as well -_-

Minato is actually far FAR faster than katakuri in combat speed, as well as reaction speed. But aight lol

After Minato put a tag on Kat then yes, he will do all that with his attacks that u said, what's your point? XD durability is not the same when it comes to piercing and cutting damage so even if we were living in this dreamland of yours where katakuri is actually continent++ then it still wouldn't matter if his CUTTING durability isn't the same my dude.

Uhhhh what are you gwan'n about my guy? That's really stupid. Madara does technically have future sight, or have you forgotten how the sharingan works? And Madara has one of the strongest sharingan in the series. I don't even know why you brought Madara up for comparison since he's faster then just about everyone in one piece as well so it doesn't matter what you tried saying about him stopping Minato who also WASNT EVEN USING KCM WHICH DRASTICALLY INCREASES SPEED. Sage mode is mainly for increasing reaction, strength and durability. Wow you're bad at debating, Madara literally had six paths sage mode allowing for him to sense when Minato was going to attack as well. You clearly don't know any of this since you tried to use him stopping Minato to somehow prove Minato is slower than katakuri even tho both Minato and Madara are both faster then just about every single person in one piece. "It'll be easy to time his punches" oh like when he easily timed all of luffy's punches and dodged every single one and never ever got hit and then he beat him? Ah my mistake that never happened, cuz luffy as slow as he is compared to Minato still hit katakuri multiple times and even beat him;)

Oh right how could I forget katakuri and his amazing future sight that never work the way you say it does. If katakuri could really jus see everything coming and dodge everything before it happens..........then why the hell could luffy hit hims so many times....and dodge him......and, you know.....BEAT him.

I'm still waiting on all y'all troglodyte idiots to provide any real proof that katakuri can jus dodge any damn thing he sees with future sight, oh wait.........you can't! Because he can't lmaooooo. Kats future sight is garbage and luffy just being faster than him was literally all it took to get past it and hit and beat katakuri. So since Minato is faster than anything luffy or katakuri has ever faced or ever even seen before, then it won't be a problem for Minato:)

The whole "Do YoU rEmEmBeR mAdArA eScApInG mAgNeT rAsEnGaN?" Is stupid since it's a completely different scenario. Doesn't really matter anyway since he won't know he's been marked and won't be able to remove his body part that's been marked if he doesn't know it's there. Minato could mark him on his back or forehead or his clothes that can't regenerate etc.

Last but not least.......Minato could just steal katakuri's soul and seal it away for all eternity and katakuri literally can't do anything to defend against it at all LOL. Best part is, is that it doesn't matter if he is made of mochi or not cuz his soul would be ripped out his body and sealed.

@mizzoking: Naruto would 1 shot Katakuri

fr @lordxandre has bad scaling, already corrected him on the continental haki bs but he still spamming it, lmao the wank is strong, i see

OT: minato sends his ass flying or seals him with the hokage barrier (forgot the actual name)

@epichotflame: yeah, I probably shouldn't entertain people like him. And I totally forgot about the hokage barrier. Red flame formation or something like that

@messiahblack9:

Wdym that pacifista laser isnt LS? The lasers comes from Kizaru, who is LS character. Smh stop saying crap.

Future sight requires being calm and cool. Luffy able to hit him cuz he made him pissed off and katakuri stabbed himself. Maybe take that to consideration idiot.

Also the Reaper death seal isnt fast enough to grab hold katakuri Soul, so stop with nonsense.

Minato has no way touching katakuri. Katakuri just needs a solid hit to minato and he dead.

Luffy hitting him at the end has nothing to do with him stabbing himself or Luffy being “too fast” etc. Luffy at that point also had future sight and could counteract Katakuri, him being faster obviously also allows him to tag Katakuri more effectively but on its own it wouldn’t have been enough. If you wanted to counteract Katakuri’s future sight you’d have to be overwhelmingly faster which Minato isn’t without BM. Arguably Kata is faster in just pure stats than Minato anyway (not counting flying raijin). Kata takes this by virtue of being way more versatile, the way he dodges attacks is comparable to Obito which gave Minato a hard fight except Kata is also way faster, ridiculously strong, more versatile, not to mention way more durable than Obito and could one hundred percent tank a Rasengan which Obito couldn’t.

Minato is realy hard nerfed here. Katakuri takes that.

yup....and yh ur right, its call 4 red yang formation that only kages can do, hashi was shown doing it with 4 clones, minato can do the same and seal katakuri in or gets his ass flying out of the area or uses chakra arms to slap him around or destroys him from the inside out via sage kata melee attacks

Man y'all, there's still goons out here that believe pacifista's beams are light speed. Tuff

@xanadu253: so u say you would have to be overwhelmingly faster than him to overcome his future sight and that Minato doesn't have that speed without BM. Okay. But he has BM -_-

Kat is definitely slower in all regards but agree to disagree cuz what I wanted to correct you on is the fact that u said Kat dodges similarily to obito which "gave Minato a hard fight".......hard fight?? That would be a tuff fight for you? LMAO. Obito literally didn't even touch him at all in the fight, all of which lasted about 10 seconds. Minato slipped through Obito, realized he couldn't touch him, teleported away, ran at him again, teleported to the kunai behind him and tagged him wit a rasengan and won the fight lmaooooo.

How in any way shape or form was that giving Minato a hard fight?

Vergo tagging teleport. Are we done with this stupid thread ? Katakuri one shots.

how is minato tagging someone who can see the future

With mountain lvls of AOE via Bijuu bombs. Kata can see the future but he is not outrunning something with several kilometers of range and hundreds of meters at minimum of AOE. Kata has reaction and combat speed, he has never shown the capability to travel that kind of distance at that level of speed. Very few characters on OP can traverse longer distances with speed relative to their combat speed. BM Minato one shots and tanks all of Kata hits. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Minato_Namikaze

i don't remember how big were minato bijuu bombs

but luffy in base causally outrun an explosion and that luffy is massively slower than kata and base luffy at the time

so i think he still fine

Minato possesses the other half of Kurama, his BB are as big and as powerful as BM Naruto. They fight Juubito together and later on in the war Minato supplies Naruto with chakra so that he can keep fighting Obito. we have seen weaker BB cover mountains. You have to provide scans that Katakuri can travel these kinds of distances at the same lvl of his combat speed.

https://i.imgur.com/1wGVuEF.jpg BB destroying mountains

100% Kurama from Madara and Hashirama's era

https://imgur.com/4yx7Gf4

https://imgur.com/3knHK87

https://imgur.com/yDHTVXY

https://imgur.com/DAh1xzw

Minato can teleport him under the water, no?

How would he even know about that

True.

Both with knowledge, Minato wins . Both without knowledge Katakuri wins easily. From feats, base Minato's AP is much lower than Katakuri and normal rasengan would not do Jack to Katakuri.

Sealing hax and teleportation would still be a huge factor though.

In this scenario, I assume that both has no knowledge, so Katakuri wins 8/10.

@ebitan: Even if both had knowledge how does minato win? Minato needs to touch kata to teleport him into water, which he's not tagging kata due to his observation haki! And even if he did tag him kata can morph off the section of his body thats been tagged and reform thanks to his mochi abilities!

Minato. Katakuri's ability to predict the future is not absolute, we saw him in his fight against Luffy. If Minato touches him and places Hiraishin's seal on him, it is impossible for Katakuri to defeat him based on physical strength and prediction (although Kata himself is not useless in the speed aspect, he falls far short of Luffy, and at least in terms of speed and omitting Kizaru, no OP character has a speed comparable to the Narutoverse since many ninjas move at a speed capable of deceiving the human eye, like a CP 9 using the Soru, without being the most fast from your work). To be fair: Katakuri is much stronger than Minato physically and has a very wide range of abilities, not to mention his "prophetic Haki", but as long as Minato is faster and implants the seal on him, well ... it would be a matter of spam the Rasengan with Kage Bunshin no Jutsu, or attack it with sharp weapons like a Kunai.