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#151 Posted by flashback0180 (4491 posts) - - Show Bio

manito has cooperating kurama so he's immune to genjutsu, the only thing left is amaratsu which he can avoid easily via it.

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#152 Edited by pateuvasiliu (902 posts) - - Show Bio

@highaccuser: ''Bee who has better speed feats than his brother.''

You what mate? Ay dodged freaking Amaterasu and blitzed a Sharingan user so bad he had to raise a 360 degree shield around himself to stay alive.

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#153 Edited by Sy8000 (35186 posts) - - Show Bio

@pateuvasiliu: Dodging Amaterasu isn't that hard if you know it's going to fire. He didn't blitz Sasuke at all, in fact Sasuke kept up with and tagged him just fine. Bee dominated Sasuke in a way worse manner.

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#154 Posted by Sy8000 (35186 posts) - - Show Bio

@cosmic_lantern: He's not fast enough to blitz with teleportation, and Itachi could just keep him from getting Kunai in place or just use Susanoo which Kunai break on.

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#155 Posted by lettsplay10 (20589 posts) - - Show Bio

minato

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#156 Posted by Cosmic_Lantern (5668 posts) - - Show Bio

@highaccuser: I disagree, Minato has blitzed far faster than itatchi with the Hiraishin. If he's able to get up his susanoo in time then you have a case otherwise itatchi isn't stopping the blitz nor will he be able to counter being tagged thus placing FTG seal which inevitably means, game over.

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#157 Edited by Horche (3 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh my god the fanboysm is too damn high. I have created an account only to post one very crucial fact about their fight if there was one.... They will both begin fighting with low tempo. No one will start a fight with his greatest move. You don't see Madara using Perfect Susanoo as an opening move, or Hashirama his Budda Statue. They will begin fighting with basic jutsus and then they will progress on showing their full potential and that is the most crucial point in this whole versus thread. Itachi won't begin the fight with Susanoo on, or even Mangekyo. Itachi will try to seal the deal as fast as possible with Genjutsu which is his main skill and this is what he does best. He will try a basic Genjutsu or a finger one. At the same time Minato will figure out that Itachi is an Uchiha and what do you do against an Uchiha... guessed right- you don't look at his eyes. Minato will spread his kunais and will plan an attack. They may even get into a taijutsu or a kunai fight and here comes the answer to this battle. Minato will most definetly mark Itachi with his Rajin 1st stage. He will mark him but won't use his trump card yet. If you re-read all of Minato's fights you will notice that every fight ends with this marking. Example fights;Minato vs Bee, Minato vs Tobi, Minato vs Obito, Minato vs Kakashi. That's his main deal. He always marks his foes and seals the deal afterwards. At this point Itachi may activate his Mangekyou. Amaterasu is easily dodged with teleportaion jutsu (Raikage's speed outrun that jutsu). Tsukuyomi won't be easy to land, because Minato usually blitzes and then flies away and you need eye contact for that jutsu to work not to mention Minato sees this coming (Uchiha duhh). Itachi doesn't have anything against rasengan, so he will activate Susanoo at some point. Your arguments about Itachi's win is Susanoo. Well yea you are absolutely right Minato doesn't have anything powerful enough to break it. Not to mention Yata's mirror, but Minato doesn't need to penetrate his defence. He has to only teleport next to Itachi's marking to seal the deal with a kunai or rasengan. Not to mention Minato having Sage mode. Frong song will definetly affect Itachi through Susanoo rendering Itachi denfenceless. Itachi's only chance is Izanami or Izanagi (if he can use it).

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#158 Posted by KCMinato (2458 posts) - - Show Bio

@horche: Well said . I think so too if itachi doesn't land his Izanami then minato has a high chance of winning and if minato can outsmart itachi . Minato can definitely outclass him . For Itachi's susanoo , Minato can easily use flying raijin jiku shippu senko rennodan zeroshiki and could break it . That jutsu is the one he wanted to use on jubito but never got a chance to but got shown off in the game . I think overall it will be a really really tough fight but minato will eventually prevail.

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#160 Edited by bouncyhippo (516 posts) - - Show Bio

@horche: no dude itachi would murderstomp minato. He doesnt need eye contact to put someone under his genjutsu. The way i see it this is how it would go.

Minato speed blitzes and marks itachi. Itachi then uses sasuno and starts swinging and missing minato. Minato then activates his flying thunder god and rasengans itachi and blows up into a bunch of crows. He was already under a genjutsu. Hes trapped in izanami or izanagi and is subject to yield.

By feats, minatos greatest feat was taking out half of the nine tail fox chakra.

itachi has the mangekyou sharingan more than enough to take control of the nine tail beast.

By feats, itachi took out sasuke and orochimaru with ease even blind and sick. And orochimaru killed the third hokage who was immensely stronger than the 4th. The 4th was perhaps the weakest hokage. But higher than tsunade. He was only known for his speed after all.

Just think about their technques, 1st was the most powerful hokage, 2nd was his brother, and they both taught the 3rd. The 3rd was able to seal the first and second hokage. Minatos teacher was jaraiya, a sannin. I will also add why the 2nd is stronger, he invented the flying thunder god technque, minato is better at using it but is outclassed in the other fields.

I will also note that minato stalemated killer bee

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#161 Posted by Egyptian_God_Ra (475 posts) - - Show Bio

Minato speed blitzes via multiple teleporting moves

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#162 Posted by KCMinato (2458 posts) - - Show Bio

@horche: He was already under a genjutsu.

This is what I've been thinking as well .... This is really tough . If that really happens then minato is dead unless he can snap out of genjutsu but as we all know He is the Fourth Hokage and Hokages are highly skilled and trained so I'm saying that minato will be able to use Genjutsu Dissipation and get out of itachis normal genjutsu. As we all know minato has fast reflexes and is quick so the moment he is in a genjutsu he would notice and realize the differences and get back ASAP before itachi can do any more harm. I really see minato doing that in a situation like these. Unless itachi uses stronger genjutsu such as Tsukuyomi which minato might not be able to escape but as some people mentioned above , itachi and minato would not start with their 'best' and really good techniques . So the minute minato escapes from normal genjutsu , he would avoid eye contact with itachi and much possibly defeat itachi without opening his eyes such as guy stating that he had trained against kakashi . I'm sure minato as a hokage would at least be able to fight against an Uchiha . So I'm still saying that minato would win but not saying that itachi would not win . There are many circumstances but in this scenario minato will win IMO.

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@horche: He doesnt need eye contact to put someone under his genjutsu.

As stated from the wiki , it proves that this statement is completely false . Itachi's genjutsu is amazing and the special thing about his genjutsu is that his illusions could be initiated after only the briefest moment of eye contact, and even targets that knew to expect genjutsu might not immediately realise that they'd fallen prey to him.This what makes itachi's genjutsu the best aside from shisui . "By establishing direct eye contact with the intended opponents, the user can lock them within a genjutsu of their choosing in order to achieve various effects." This shows that brief eye contact has at least to be made in order for sharingan genjutsu to work .

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#163 Posted by Horche (3 posts) - - Show Bio

@bouncyhippo: I am really sorry dude but what you are saying is a pile of c**p ( your facts are all wrong which is not fair as you mislead other readers :/). Yes, Itachi may not need to use eye contact for a genjutsu to work, but a skilled and gifted genius like Minato ain't falling for a Genjutsu trap. Heck even the other Kages haven't fallen for the Uchiha genjutsu trick (against Madara and before you say that the Raikage got in a genjutsu, I'll say that he was distracted because of Tsunade and was't paying attention to his fight). I mean if you know what's comming (and you know what's comming when fightnig an Uchiha) you will most likely hold on yo your sences and expect a genjutsu. And when you fall for one you will know it right away and you will be able to break it (Kage level things, being able to break out of a simple genjutsu). Now the only special thing about Itachi's genjutsu is his Tsukuyomi and I am 100% sure you need more time to cast then any normal Genjutsu which time Itachi won't have. You see the fight going as Minato doing Rasengan to a Crow Clone and I see it like Itachi putting one of Minato's shadow clones under a Genjutsu. Minato will send a clone just to test out the waters and before you say that Itachi can counter with clone as well, I'll tell you that Itachi doesn't have enough chakra to make clones and use his Mangekyuo abilities. Minato can blitz Itachi with teleportation and clones. And if all fails, he is more then capable of figuring out Susanoo's weakness, which is attack from under ground. I am sure Minato can attack from below Susanoo's defences (ground markings, kunais from under ground or clones like Naruto vs Neji). You can throw Sage mode in the mix as well. As I have said Frog Song will definetly take down Itachi if there is enogh time to cast. Flashback to Itachi vs Kabuto, where he used a similar snake jutsu to disrupt Susanoo and take out Itachi. Now about Minato being the weakest Hokage... it has been stated in the manga that he was the stongest of them all. Strongest hokage ever. Minato's greatest feat was taking down Tobi and freeing the Ninetails from his control with ONE move. Itachi didn't "take down" Orochimaru and Sasuke, he sealed Orochimaru which is basiclly one hit and is not a beatdown because you basicaly don't defeat him you only put him in other dimenson. Orochimaru didn't kill the 3rd. It was actaulyl the 3rd who sacarifised himself to kill Orichimaru, he didn't succeed though but it's more of a suicide. Next thing- your teachers don't indicate your power. Jiraya may have taught Minato but it was actually Minato who taught Jiraya the Rasengan (Jiraya's main move). The 3rd defeated the other 2 edo hokages only because they weren't revived in their full power and they were controlled by another person, which slows down their reflexes and limits their battle power, not to mention intellect and tactics as well. Minato has too many possible combinations with his teleportation to avoid Itachi's trump cards and bring him to submission. One of the most important rules when fighting an Uchiha is never fight one alone. Minato can combine his shadow clone jutsu with Flying thunder god. Make a couple of clones and make them mark each other which gives a lot of possibilities to avoid direct eye contact and any contact for genjutsu at all (clone can teleport him when he is under genjutsu and "inject" chakra to get him out, maybe even whitch with clones all the time so they can face Itachi and the real one attacking from behind or the sides all the time). Not to mention the offensive potential of that combo. The only thing that comes in Itachi's favour is Izanami (sceptical if it can work on Minato as he has "accepted himself" and "has accepted his reality and living without regrets"); Izanagi which can save Itachi one time (two before he sacrifices both sharingans) and chakra (if one of them has more in order to outlast the other one which is kinda draw because it has been stated that Itachi has limited chakra pool). Kabuto was able to avoid all Genjutsu Itachi is capable off with simple eye protection, why can't Minato fight without looking at Itachi? or have his clones do the dirty work so he can deliver the final blow. Minato and Bee stalemate.. yea right, if Minato wanted he could have injured him first before Bee can actually respond. Minato didn't attack because he didn't want to kill Bee, he actually felt him close. And last but not least only Shinsui's genjutsu doesn't need any contact at all to work...

PS. Taking control of the nine tails is no feat for an Uchiha at all, even a 16 year old Obito could do this job with his ordinary sharingan.

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#164 Edited by bouncyhippo (516 posts) - - Show Bio

@horche: The fourth hokage, Minato is definitely not the most powerful out of them. You're implying Minato could take out Uchiha Madara? Who took out all 5 current hokages. The first Hokage was the only person that could defeat Madara. Sure Minato wasn't present at that time so we can't tell how he would do, but Minato has made a fool out of himself too many times in the war arc. Giving the other half of his demon fox to naruto, but that didn't turn out so well and some other things he did.

Uchiha Madara, Sasunoo release covering up the nine tail fox, was defeated by Hashirama. Minato has not shown in any way he could defeat the nine tail fox alone, but for the sacrifice of himself. Minato has never fought anything of that caliber. The god of shinobi vs The yellow flash, who has a better title?

Now it was also stated that Hiruzen was the most powerful out of the hokage in his prime because both of his teachers was the first and second. The second invented so many ninjutsus, that people copy him. Flying thunder god technique and Edo Tensei included.

And yes, technically Orochimaru did beat the third hokage, he forced him to sacrifice his own life to only seal his arms. And Itachi slaughter stomped Orochimaru on both occasions, one time was a sneak attack, and one time was during the sasuke vs itachi fight

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#165 Posted by ancient_god (6567 posts) - - Show Bio

Itachi

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#166 Posted by Horche (3 posts) - - Show Bio

@bouncyhippo: Lol, defeating someone doesn't mean you can defeat other ninjas. Rock defeats scissors but fails to leaf. You can't say that if Minato is stronger then the first (which I am not implying) he is also stronger then Madara. It was plot protection that let Obito controlled by black zetsu take on Kakashi and Minato for so long as to actually steal the demon fox out of Minato (in the transfer process). Minato could have defeated the Fox but he couldn't have surpressed it. He needed desperately a jinchuriki host. His wife was dying and he didn't want to live without her so he choose to sacrifise himself in order to make his kid the strongest ninja ever. He made a bet on the future. He belived in Naruto and that's why he sealed the ninetails in his son, he belived Naruto will stop Madara (aka Obito). And by the way if you say Minato can't defeat Madara while Hashirama can, does that mean that Hashi>Minato, then what can Hashi do against Obito? "During the Third Shinobi World War, flee-on-sight orders were given to enemy shinobi should they ever see him."- that's something impressive as feat no other ninja was given. You always get Orochimaru in the mix so here's something interesting: "When the Konoha Crush loomed years later, Minato was believed to be the only one who could have stopped the threat of Orochimaru, and for that his death was deeply regretted."- that's straight out of naruto pedia. It was stated that Hiruzen he was the strongest only in the beginnig of Naruto pre-chunin exams. After that it was stated that Minato was the strongest until late Shippuden when Madara was revived and all the hype towards Hashirama started. But this is not Hashirama vs Minato thread, why compare both? Itachi was nowhere near Madara or Hashirama why do you put one of those two against Minato as if Itachi was equal to them. Orochimaru may have been defeated by Itachi /and by defeat I don't mean stomp, sealing someone off isn't stomp/ but against Kabuto he would have lost, which basically implies that his genjutsu in the only counter to Orochimaru, while it will have little to no effect on Minato.

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#168 Posted by Nathaniel_Christopher (3301 posts) - - Show Bio

@xan84 By version of Minato just before he died do you mean when he fought Obito during the Kyuubi Attack? Or during the 4th World War?

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#169 Edited by RedRanger (595 posts) - - Show Bio

Itachi, if they're both in their living states.

Been debating this for years and the simple fact is an in character Minato will be put in a Genjutsu and Itachi has the fight from there.

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#170 Posted by RAMIUS (10 posts) - - Show Bio

Minato

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#171 Posted by TheVivas (19429 posts) - - Show Bio

Minato wins unless Itachi can catch him in a Tsukuyomi first.

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#172 Posted by ValarMelkor (5165 posts) - - Show Bio

Minato stomps.

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#173 Posted by Zuyr (4 posts) - - Show Bio

Minato would win. When ever we saw Minato fight, it was base form Minato. He was faster then 3rd Raikage at Raikage full speed. He was able to land a hit on Obito ( who Itachi was not willing to fight yet ) and Minato did all of this without going in sage mode. With SAGE MODE, he would of been a lot faster then when he went against Raikage. His ability to dodge would of out classed anything itachi would throw at him. And is susanoo is based on the users chakra, so stronger the user, stronger the susanoo. Everyone keeps comparing Itachi's to Madaras like they're equal, but Madara has way more chakra and is alot more powerful than Itachi. So Madara susanoo > Itachi's susanoo. So if Tsunade can crack Madara's with brute strength. Minato in sage mode using a sage rasengan can potential shatter Itachi's. Plus Minato as Jonin and Hokage has had to of fought in many battles with Uchiha members and being a geinus has study many of their different jutsu. He invented a jutsu based on something he saw tailed beast do and thought, why not me? It shows he has a desire to create jutsu from jutsus that should only be possible by other people but only observing the jutsu, he never sat down and asked a tailed beast how to perform a bomb, he saw it and figured out how to replicate it using his own chakra and he did it without using any seals, pure chakra control. He mastered using outrageous technics without the use of seals, cutting down on any lag between attacks.

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#174 Posted by guled120 (307 posts) - - Show Bio

Minato wins easily, he surpasses Itachi in any jutsu except genjutsu, Minato is better at taijutsu and ninjutsu than Itachi, the Namikaze clan was said to hv superspeed and they were also said to be able to rival the Uchiha clan.

Plus Minato has some sealing experiences from Kushina Uzumaki and hv half of 9-tails within him, okey let's not count the 9-tails bcz he just put him inside him just bfr his death. But still he is more powerful.

Instand death awaits Itachi, Minato's "SHURIKEN SHADOW CLONE JUTSU" is way more impressive and deadlier than any other for ex. So Minato shouldn't be Having any prob dealing with Itachi IMO.

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#175 Posted by Bionar (970 posts) - - Show Bio

You're right for Minato to create rasengan out of just observing the tailed beasts he's smarter than Itachi. Itachi never invented any move, even Sasuke did. Kakashi was good at copying moves. And invented some variations of raikiri.

But itachi is a genius at formulating stategies and using natural uchiha abilities to the fullest. He wasnt the only one tho'

Shuishui was better than itachi. He could impale targets miles away. Itachi cant do this.

Itachi will get tagged even tho' he's smart. Dont forget obito is smart foo. And knew Minato very well. Minato effing taught him.

But he still got embarrased.

Besides susanoo isnt like green lanterns shied ( meaning it doesnt give the body inside invulnerability) FTL might be a able to teleport inside the susanoo.

And kage bushins with Odama rasengans will make a mess of it. Itachi cannot escape multiple Odama rasengans. If he's cornered Susanoo or not.

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#176 Posted by Syclone903 (186 posts) - - Show Bio

The two bamfs.

@guled120 said:

Minato wins easily, he surpasses Itachi in any jutsu except genjutsu, Minato is better at taijutsu and ninjutsu than Itachi, the Namikaze clan was said to hv superspeed and they were also said to be able to rival the Uchiha clan.

Plus Minato has some sealing experiences from Kushina Uzumaki and hv half of 9-tails within him, okey let's not count the 9-tails bcz he just put him inside him just bfr his death. But still he is more powerful.

Instand death awaits Itachi, Minato's "SHURIKEN SHADOW CLONE JUTSU" is way more impressive and deadlier than any other for ex. So Minato shouldn't be Having any prob dealing with Itachi IMO.

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LOL

Namikaze clan was said to hv superspeed and they were also said to be able to rival the Uchiha clan.

Did you get that from this page: http://narutofanon.wikia.com/wiki/Namikaze_Clan

Cuz nobody has Kishimoto said anything about the Namikaze "clan". What next? The Lee clan is able to punch through rocks as babies? What about the Haruno clan?

People will say anything these days lol

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#177 Posted by RedTool (175 posts) - - Show Bio

Itachi is not blind, but that doesn't mean he can't go blind. He clearly don't have EMS. Against Minato he's going to have to spam his MS and it will take it's toll on him like it did Sasuke. Unless you give Itachi the EMS, which would kind of be illogical.

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#178 Posted by JdG (972 posts) - - Show Bio

Itachi wins. Within the first few seconds of the fight, he will realize how Minato teleports, just like A did. He can send clones to ambush Minato when he teleports. Plus, Minato has no counter to genjutsu and there is no way in hell he can break Susanoo.

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#179 Posted by Bionar (970 posts) - - Show Bio

@JdG: you're kidding right.

A realized minato, and then what happened?

itachi cannot handle FTL. Izuna who also had MS got cocky and he died.

itachi understands his limits and he doesnt brag to be the strongest ninja there is. He knows better than that.

Minato was hokage when itachi was young. Do you honestly think the hokage doesnt have information on Itachi's base skills and ingenius.

This is someone who created a justu while fighting. Something itachi can only dream of.

Minato knows a lot of seals and can teleport any attack away from him.. Add that with his base reaction speed is very impressive and he already has one of the best defenses - ability to take your attack and use it on you that is if you've been tagged.

Itachi is clearly the underdog here.. He's a snail compared to itachi.. Whats he going to do about FTL level 1 which Minato used against Tobi..

Even if gets hit by totsuka he can teleport away. Genjutsu wont work since Minato knows he's fighting itachi..

It is basically OVERKILL..

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#180 Posted by JdG (972 posts) - - Show Bio

@bionar said:

@JdG: you're kidding right.

A realized minato, and then what happened?

If Minato gets behind Itachi like he did to A, Itachi can summon Susanoo to defend himself and counterattack. Minato would most likely teleport away, not knowing that Itachi has clones waiting for him.

itachi cannot handle FTL. Izuna who also had MS got cocky and he died.

Why are you comparing Itachi to someone who is featless?

itachi understands his limits and he doesnt brag to be the strongest ninja there is. He knows better than that.

How is this relevant?

Minato was hokage when itachi was young. Do you honestly think the hokage doesnt have information on Itachi's base skills and ingenius.

Itachi was a little kid when Minato died. Minato has no clue what Itachi is capable of.

This is someone who created a justu while fighting. Something itachi can only dream of.

Good for him

Minato knows a lot of seals and can teleport any attack away from him..

"Teleporting any attack away from him" is useless against genjutsu, Amaterasu, and exploding clones.

Add that with his base reaction speed is very impressive and he already has one of the best defenses - ability to take your attack and use it on you that is if you've been tagged.

He's not marking Itachi.

Itachi is clearly the underdog here.. He's a snail compared to itachi.. Whats he going to do about FTL level 1 which Minato used against Tobi..

Itachi effortlessly kept up with KCM Naruto and Bee. He won't have any problems reacting to Minato.

Even if gets hit by totsuka he can teleport away. Genjutsu wont work since Minato knows he's fighting itachi..

Lmao what is Minato's defense to genjutsu?

It is basically OVERKILL..

Probably in favor of Itachi....

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#181 Posted by Bionar (970 posts) - - Show Bio

@jdG:

First off, i've read every leaf of the manga and watched every series yet il admit while i'm wrong. Itachi was indeed young when Minato died. But saying Minato doesnt Know about the Genuis who graduates at a tender age is false.. Hokages keep up witj ninjas from tender ages and there was a scene where Sasuke's mom was discussing with Kushina before birth.

That however is of little importance to this battle..

Lets start from the top shall we..

You said Itachi would spam A susanoo bone shield to protect himself from Rasengan from FTL level 1 or is it 2 ( cant remember)

I'll give that to Itachi.. I mean he can have that Reaction time if he knew it was coming.

Look at how madara spammed the same susanoo bone when fighting Hashirama at the valley of end..

Oh wait that didnt happen, he got stabbed through the heart and was assumed Dead if not for Izanagi.. I think. ( cant remember, basically madara lost, which means you can only keep up with the Bs Susanoo till you are either 1. Chakra 2. Assume you'll be hit that fast)

You assumption that clones will be waiting for Minato sounds like a poorly thought out scene.. How many clones have waited for minato. Nobody knows where he'll teleport too, as he's marked numerous places.

2. About comparing Itachi to Izuna who's featless. I dont know need to know izuna'a feats. As someone with a brain you can imagine its not different from The usual amaterastu, susanoo and genjutsu.. He had run out of chakra and he underestimated the 2nd's FTL. It can be very well compared the outcome this battle. As once again a Senju bested an UChiha.

I hve said it before.. Unless you followed the series in complete denial. Senju elites usually better Uchiha elites.. Lets not even bring up that they fought a war.. And uchihas lost.. This is a different battle afterall.. Its another Senju genius vs an Uchiha genius.

Or is it..?

3. On teleporting attacks away.. Are you honestly believing its a useless feat. You jdG is saying teleporting a beast bomb is useless.. Well alright. Itachi has fire jutsu which comes on a fireball shape. Minato can teleport these away as well as itachi's famed kunai.. Please ask OBito and Kakashi about the IMPortance of teleporting away attacks.. when itachi gets tagged and it wont take long as Minato managed to tag almost everyone he's fought. He can be BFR to a different location.. Infact he can be teleported out of his Susanoo..

Believe IT..

He can be teleported out of Susanoo.. Minato simply teleports inside touches him and teleports outside.

On Edo itachi keeping up with KCM naruto and BEE.. Sighs this is just .. Dude.. You're smart. KCM naruto is different from Minato.

Minato instantaneously moves, Naruto speeds he doesnt teleport. Physical reaction speed is while facing and fighfing your opponent is very different from Teleporting behind someone.. The only reaction itachi can do is pull out susanoo as you've implied and honestly even that depends on if he's aware. Besides KCM naruto hadnt strted moving at Minato speeds like he did with raikage. At first raikage caught up with him numerously till he started bltizing up and down.. Minato doesnt blitz by moving physically.. He transports from one point to another there's no keeping with that with SHARINGAN

Hashirama caught madara offguard and he was said to hve almost no blindspot..

Minato caught obito offguard. Obito was prepared for minato to teleport and he still lost..

See what happened to So6p obito.. With kage bunshins FTL increases in levels an effectiveness based on distractions. I see itachi getting caught not once but numerously.. With FTL..

On your lmao to genjutsu.. Did you not follow the series.. Disrupt your chakra and you instantenously snap out of genjutsu...

Raikage told sasuke with his speed genjustus are useless you have to distract speedster like slow them and them and look them in the eye..

Minato recognizes sharingan.. Itachi wont even see him. Its bn said that ninjas only see a flash sometimes.. When minato is bloodlusted..

We've seen both Minato and itachi formulate strategies.. Minato is clearly a better strategist than itachi.. He thinks more detailedly.. He wont get caught in tskuyomi or genjutsu.

Nor with amateratsu work..

Infact none of itachi's attack will hit minato..

Itachi will be on defensive from the get go.

Tskuyomi doesnt work on bunshins.. Kakashi demonstrated that already.. Itachi cannot keep up with minato in terms of stamina ( chakra reserves)

Minato used a near perfect sage mode on the go.. He can use multiple shadow clones and Oodama rasengan.. Can summon Gamabunta and Co. Cam summon pa and Ma. Has multiple seals that we dont know of.

Can teleport attacks.. And finally has Death Reaper Seal which is an Utter KO for Itachi.. Which means An Alive Minato cannot lose a battle.. Without taking along the opponent.

Izanami cant work as Minato doesnt need any convictions his heart is pure..

Izanagi makes itachi lose an eye hence susanoo leaving him with probably amaterastu..

Itachi with kisame said he'd stalemate jiraiya at best and you think he can beat minato.. He's not beating the first 4 hokages and would have trouble beating Tsunade.. And Kage kakashi has he can already counter his moves during the battle around. Kakashi dont lose the same way twice..

Itachi is great but there are so many elite ninjas that put in his place.

Period.

And again whats he going to about multiple bunshins with oodama Rasengan.. And FTL techniques. Kunais everywhere.. Thats an UTTER KO

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#182 Edited by The_Stern_ritter (566 posts) - - Show Bio

Minato counters Amaterasu with ftg

Minato's faster than itachi allowing him to mark Itachi, making susanoo kind of useless because Minato could just easily kill him before yata gets up. Lol and people need to stop using yata and tosuka blade, they both lack feats to say they can do anything.

Intelligence wise it's even

Genjutsu is useless if this is Bm Minato, Kurama could just easily break him out. Then again if this was the original Minato genjutsu would be useless due to the fact of Itachi not being able to actually get eye contact.

Izanami won't work on Minato. 1. It takes way to long, way to difficult to set up

2. It won't work on Minato. His characteristic doesn't match the criteria to get caught in it

Sidenote: Minato has already defeated, Obito an Uchiha who had strong enough genjutsu to gg kurama the strongest tailed beasts, yet he didn't even think of using genjutsu once on Minato. If this was the case, he must have thought that genjustu was pointless against a guy like minato because he's never in the same place at once making maintaining eye contact with him impossible

BM Minato takes this 9/10

Normal Minato takes this 6.9/10

either way Minato wins

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#183 Posted by Bionar (970 posts) - - Show Bio

Sorry for the typos i type too fast. But you can always edit my mistakes in your head. Bottom line is in a scenario where Minato meets Itachi. Minato prevails.. He's too intelligent.

There are plots in which kishi might write itachi to win.. But Minato should take this.. Its like saying itachi will beat Tobirama which is completely laughable. ( and dont dare say Tobi doesnt have feats after the moves we've heard of including creating kage bunshins, edo tensei and FTL). Killing izuna is a Feat too because ww can see how far madara got with his eyes.. One can only imagine that base izuna is equal to

Itachi or better since he had bn fightimg wars from a tender age and also killed some members of clan who had full exposure to Izanami and Izanagi.

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#184 Posted by JdG (972 posts) - - Show Bio

@bionar said:

@jdG:

First off, i've read every leaf of the manga and watched every series yet il admit while i'm wrong. Itachi was indeed young when Minato died. But saying Minato doesnt Know about the Genuis who graduates at a tender age is false.. Hokages keep up witj ninjas from tender ages and there was a scene where Sasuke's mom was discussing with Kushina before birth.

I'm not saying that Minato doesn't know that Itachi is a genius. What I'm saying is that he doesn't know about Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, Susanoo, etc.

That however is of little importance to this battle..

Lets start from the top shall we..

You said Itachi would spam A susanoo bone shield to protect himself from Rasengan from FTL level 1 or is it 2 ( cant remember)

I'll give that to Itachi.. I mean he can have that Reaction time if he knew it was coming.

Look at how madara spammed the same susanoo bone when fighting Hashirama at the valley of end..

Oh wait that didnt happen, he got stabbed through the heart and was assumed Dead if not for Izanagi.. I think. ( cant remember, basically madara lost, which means you can only keep up with the Bs Susanoo till you are either 1. Chakra 2. Assume you'll be hit that fast)

Why are you bringing up Madara? Anyway, Itachi doesn't need to continuosly keep Susanoo activated. He can just activate it, then deactivate it when he doesn't need it.

You assumption that clones will be waiting for Minato sounds like a poorly thought out scene.. How many clones have waited for minato. Nobody knows where he'll teleport too, as he's marked numerous places.

It's not a poorly thought out scene. Look at how easy it was for Itachi to fool Kakashi with his exploding clones.

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He can do the same to Minato, except he would make his clones wait at Minato's markings.

2. About comparing Itachi to Izuna who's featless. I dont know need to know izuna'a feats. As someone with a brain you can imagine its not different from The usual amaterastu, susanoo and genjutsu..

It is very different. For one thing, each MS have unique abilities, so Izuna probably doesn't have Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi.

He had run out of chakra and he underestimated the 2nd's FTL. It can be very well compared the outcome this battle. As once again a Senju bested an UChiha.

That fight literally has no context behind it. Not only is Izuna featless we were literally only shown the end of the fight. We don't know if Hashirama's aoe attacks damaged Izuna or if other Senju helped Tobirama. Idk why you keep bringing up that fight, since we don't even know how it went down.

I hve said it before.. Unless you followed the series in complete denial. Senju elites usually better Uchiha elites.. Lets not even bring up that they fought a war.. And uchihas lost.. This is a different battle afterall.. Its another Senju genius vs an Uchiha genius.

Or is it..?

No, it's not. Minato is a Namikaze. I have no clue why you're dragging the war between Senju and Uchiha into this conversation.

3. On teleporting attacks away.. Are you honestly believing its a useless feat. You jdG is saying teleporting a beast bomb is useless.. Well alright. Itachi has fire jutsu which comes on a fireball shape. Minato can teleport these away as well as itachi's famed kunai.. Please ask OBito and Kakashi about the IMPortance of teleporting away attacks.. when itachi gets tagged and it wont take long as Minato managed to tag almost everyone he's fought. He can be BFR to a different location.. Infact he can be teleported out of his Susanoo..

Why are you comparing Obito/Kakashi's teleportation jutsus to Minato's? They are completely different. Obito/Kakashi doesn't have to mark what they're trying to teleport. Minato does. How the hell is Minato supposed to teleport Amaterasu (something that would be literally stuck to his body), genjutsu (something that attacks your mind, and therefore cannot be touched), or explosions (from Itachi's clones)?

Let's take a look at how he teleported Juubi's attack.

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He teleported the bomb, not the explosion. Plus, he had an easy time marking the bomb because Hachibi stopped it. Itachi's kunais, shurikens, and other jutsus would be constantly moving, therefore Minato would have a difficult time marking them.

Believe IT..

No

He can be teleported out of Susanoo.. Minato simply teleports inside touches him and teleports outside.

Again, Minato isn't marking Itachi.

On Edo itachi keeping up with KCM naruto and BEE.. Sighs this is just .. Dude.. You're smart. KCM naruto is different from Minato.

I used them as an example because it showcased Itachi's combat speed. That means he can block or dodge Minato's attacks if Minato attacks him like this

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Minato instantaneously moves, Naruto speeds he doesnt teleport. Physical reaction speed is while facing and fighfing your opponent is very different from Teleporting behind someone.. The only reaction itachi can do is pull out susanoo as you've implied and honestly even that depends on if he's aware. Besides KCM naruto hadnt strted moving at Minato speeds like he did with raikage. At first raikage caught up with him numerously till he started bltizing up and down.. Minato doesnt blitz by moving physically.. He transports from one point to another there's no keeping with that with SHARINGAN

You said it yourself. Minato's combat speed isn't instantaneous. In terms of combat speed, KCM Naruto and Bee are superior to Minato and Itachi easily kept up with both of them. Minato stabbing Itachi after teleporting is considered combat speed, so Itachi should have no problem reacting to him.

Hashirama caught madara offguard and he was said to hve almost no blindspot..

Again, bringing up unnecessary fights.

Minato caught obito offguard. Obito was prepared for minato to teleport and he still lost..

Itachi is much smarter than Obito tactical wise. Plus, Obito noticed Minato above him. He just failed to react. Itachi, on the other hand, should be able to.

See what happened to So6p obito.. With kage bunshins FTL increases in levels an effectiveness based on distractions. I see itachi getting caught not once but numerously.. With FTL..

Obito thought he was invincible. He didn't know Sage attacks would hurt him, so his guard was down.

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On your lmao to genjutsu.. Did you not follow the series.. Disrupt your chakra and you instantenously snap out of genjutsu...

Name one time where that actually worked. Not to mention that there is no way in hell Minato can break out of Tsukuyomi.

Raikage told sasuke with his speed genjustus are useless you have to distract speedster like slow them and them and look them in the eye..

You act like fast opponents can't get caught in genjutsu.

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Bee got caught while trying to blitz Sasuke.

Minato recognizes sharingan.. Itachi wont even see him. Its bn said that ninjas only see a flash sometimes.. When minato is bloodlusted..

Yes, let's act like Minato doesn't need to spread his markings in order to teleport. Right at the very start of the fight, he is vulnerable to genjutsu. While trying to blitz (just like Bee), he is vulnerable to genjutsu.

We've seen both Minato and itachi formulate strategies.. Minato is clearly a better strategist than itachi.. He thinks more detailedly.. He wont get caught in tskuyomi or genjutsu.

How is Minato a better strategist? IIRC, Minato's only notable strategic feats were against A and Obito. Casting Izanami requires the best of strategies because you have to force your opponent to make the same movements. Itachi pulled it off. That is better than any strategy Minato thought of.

Nor with amateratsu work..

Why? Itachi can anticipate where Minato would teleport by looking at his tags. He can just attack Minato, wait for him to teleport, then burn him after he teleports to his kunai. Kinda similar to what A was attempting to do

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Minato isn't a sensor, so he won't know that Itachi is preparing Amaterasu.

Infact none of itachi's attack will hit minato..

More like none of Minato's attacks will hit Itachi.

Itachi will be on defensive from the get go.

Yep, and counterattack whenever he needs to.

Tskuyomi doesnt work on bunshins..

When has Minato ever used clones in the middle of the battle? It's very out of character for him to do so.

Kakashi demonstrated that already.. Itachi cannot keep up with minato in terms of stamina ( chakra reserves)

I agree, but the fight won't last long.

Minato used a near perfect sage mode on the go..

Scans?

He can use multiple shadow clones

Scans?

and Oodama rasengan..

Scans? Doesn't matter anyway since it won't even dent Susanoo.

Can summon Gamabunta and Co.

Amaterasu GG

Cam summon pa and Ma.

It's suicide to try and summon them lol

Has multiple seals that we dont know of.

Then why bring them up if we don't know them?

Can teleport attacks..

Not gonna be able to teleport Itachi's attacks.

And finally has Death Reaper Seal which is an Utter KO for Itachi.. Which means An Alive Minato cannot lose a battle.. Without taking along the opponent.

Lmao Itachi burns the f*ck out of Minato with Amaterasu if Minato tries to use that.

Izanami cant work as Minato doesnt need any convictions his heart is pure..

Never said he would use it.

Izanagi makes itachi lose an eye hence susanoo leaving him with probably amaterastu..

Never said he would use it. We don't even know if Itachi can use it.

Itachi with kisame said he'd stalemate jiraiya at best and you think he can beat minato.. He's not beating the first 4 hokages and would have trouble beating Tsunade.. And Kage kakashi has he can already counter his moves during the battle around. Kakashi dont lose the same way twice..

Lol you're bringing up that statement from Itachi? Then I'll bring up a statement from Zetsu.

Itachi is invincible. Minato has nothing on him
Itachi is invincible. Minato has nothing on him

Do you see how relying on statements is a bad idea?

Itachi is great but there are so many elite ninjas that put in his place.

I agree. Unfortunately, Minato isn't one of them.

Period.

Question mark.

And again whats he going to about multiple bunshins with oodama Rasengan.. And FTL techniques. Kunais everywhere.. Thats an UTTER KO

Lmao Minato has never done half of the things you said in this paragraph.

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#185 Posted by Bionar (970 posts) - - Show Bio

@ jdG: While i honestly dont have the time to nitpick every one of your replies i'm still going to reply.

Where do i begin? Sigh..

Lets talk about how you shot yourself in the foot by posting scans of how great minato while completely ignoring the fourth ninja war

Where he

1. Clearly Used/made mention of shadow clones.

2. Activated a near perfect Sage mode before attacking So6P Madara with kakashi gaara and obito and claimed " it wasnt perfect has he hadnt used it before"

3. Used a barrier jutsu in conjuction with other kages

4. Showed proficient use of Kurama's chakra even tho' he had no time to practice. As you can Recall, he died obtaining that power.

I cant post scans even tho' i do have copies of the digital manga. But as a Naruto Fan you can clearly remember these things just like every True Naruto fan should.

Now to begin.

1. I brought up the Hashirama vs Madara fight to give you an example of an elite Ninja vs an elite Uchiha. You claim that Minato isnt Senju.. I'm not going to say anything much on that statement because its of little relevance evn tho' i've heard references of how ninjas asides Uchihas in Konoha have bn referred to as Senju.

Naruto clearly is Namikaze yet his surname is Uzumaki.. And he's bn referred as a Senju in the anime.

Barring that.. In the last fight @ valley of end. I dont recall how Sasuke was Spamming Susanoo to block every atack It clearly requires a lot of Chakra when you depleted reserves and Itachi can only use it for so long.

Thats why he doesnt use it straight from the beginning. Its not only out of character it helps saves chakra.. Minato's chakra consuming moves includes Teleporting large attacks .. Or large objects.. Yet we are aware of how his chakra reserves is immense and even special.

2. On whether Izuna has Susano'o or not. Dude, listen up. He does. The only reason you argue he doesnt is because Obito doesnt Spam Susano'o.

We have already seen three uchihas use Susanoo. Once you acquire MS, you get Amaterastu, Susanoo and a form of Genjustu.. Yes they have special powers..

But Kakashi clearly Used Obito's Susanoo against Kaguya.. So that makes 4. Him not using it is up to kishi. He could hve easily gone after kakashi and recovered his eye but that wasnt honourable and would have dented his idea of mystery...

Stop living in denial that Izuna cant when logic says he should by having acquired MS.

4. On teleportation: obito/kakash's Transportation technique is diff to Minato's granted. But they're both called Transportation techniques.

Minato moves INSTANTANEOUSLY.. Which makes it almost impossible to React..

Itachi has bn hit before when he battled Sasuke..

I dont need to post scans.. Look up that battle. And im not saying when he got hit by that rigged Giant shuriken.. Sasuke actualky set him up.. By forcing him to jump whe he used Raikiri to charge the floor and Itachi was clearly beat in that instance.. Can just imagine what Minato wil do to him..

As for keeping up with KCM naruto and bee..

Well thats easy because he had SHARINGAN smartypants..

Sasuke kept up with cloaked Naruto not because he was faster but because he could Read his movements

He also kept up with BEE for the same reason.

But had trouble dealing with RAIKaGE because he couldnt read the movements.

Naruto hadnt accelerated to Raikage Speeds at the time he battled itachi.. He had to blitz up and down to escape Raikage..

While Itchi is decently Fast.. He uses SHARINGAN to ReAD MOVES which makes the opponents appear SLOWER. But in terms of OVERWHELMING speed evn iTaCHI wont keep up even if he sees it coming..

MINato moves INSTANTaNEOusly there's NOTHING TO READ. Plus his base reaction speed is impressive. Check out when obito attacked him on those head statues.. And tried to absorb him.. He clearly demonstrated his base Reaction speed. Every acknowledges this Narutoverse BUT you!

He was able to save baby Naruto from Obito inside the delivery room when he had paper bombs attached to him.. Itachi can only dream of this reaction speed.

And also caught Kushina from falling beforw he even learnt FTL. Dude Please.

On why genjustu wont work as i've said Jiraiya put naruto in a genjustu and instructed him to break out which he did.. I dont need to tel you demanding examples show you have no knowledge of how narutoverse genjutsu works..

Obito never bothered with genjustu when he met Minato because he knows its useless..

And A told sauke Genjustu doesnt work when there's overwhelming speed .. Again Minato moves INstantaenously..

On issues of Amaterastu.. And Minato not being a Sensor i told you he can use sage mode. And he doesnt even need to since its out if character.. But amaterastu takes a while to prepare as well as other big uchiha moves.. Enough time for Minato to strike..

Minato negates time.. And in terms of reaction and speed itachi clearly lags..

As for exploding clones.. I've told you itachi cant tell where Minato wil teleport to.. Obito couldnt deduce. Nobody has.: even if you do.. He can still "jump" instantaneously and leave the battlefield formulate a plan and come back..

Itachi is clearly OutClassed..

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#186 Posted by Bionar (970 posts) - - Show Bio

@jdG: i just read your comments on Itachi and Izanagi..

Thats really poor considering Itachi explained how both IZANAGI and IZANAMi works. He can clearly use both proficiently.

On your comments about Minato's strategic feats. You mentioned A and obito.

You failed to mention how he rescued Young Kakashi from being slashed by that ninja. And how incredible the reaction speed was..

Not much has bn said about Minato since he isnt the titular character. Same goes for Itachi but we can deduce that Minato is the better ninja overall.

We've seen Itachi demonstrate his strategies and Minato as well.

And its clear that Kakashi is better than Itachi at formulating plans while Minato is probably on par with Kakashi.

You are also neglecting Minato's nack for creating Jutsus during a battle. Itachi can only dream of this.

Minato also created his special Kunai.. And he's probably better than Itachi since he has to use Kunais to set up his battlefield.

The moment Minato sets up his Kunais.. There's absoutely no escape for Itachi.. Only a matter of time. And clearly Minato has enough of IT.

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#187 Posted by AndriPerdhian93 (137 posts) - - Show Bio

Itachi skill set is not suited to deal with a fast ninja like minato and also itachi has a low chakra and low durability.

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#188 Posted by JdG (972 posts) - - Show Bio

@bionar said:

@ jdG: While i honestly dont have the time to nitpick every one of your replies i'm still going to reply.

Where do i begin? Sigh..

Lets talk about how you shot yourself in the foot by posting scans of how great minato while completely ignoring the fourth ninja war

Where he

1. Clearly Used/made mention of shadow clones.

So what if he mentioned them? That doesn't mean he can create a bunch of them and have all of them use oodama rasengan like you claim. That is just ridiculous.

2. Activated a near perfect Sage mode before attacking So6P Madara with kakashi gaara and obito and claimed " it wasnt perfect has he hadnt used it before"

No, he said that it's not perfect so he almost never uses it.

3. Used a barrier jutsu in conjuction with other kages

Cool

4. Showed proficient use of Kurama's chakra even tho' he had no time to practice. As you can Recall, he died obtaining that power.

OP is most likely referring to Minato without Kyuubi's chakra. Otherwise, he would've put "Minato can use KCM" instead of "version right before they died"

I cant post scans even tho' i do have copies of the digital manga. But as a Naruto Fan you can clearly remember these things just like every True Naruto fan should.

Now to begin.

1. I brought up the Hashirama vs Madara fight to give you an example of an elite Ninja vs an elite Uchiha. You claim that Minato isnt Senju.. I'm not going to say anything much on that statement because its of little relevance evn tho' i've heard references of how ninjas asides Uchihas in Konoha have bn referred to as Senju.

Lmao Minato is a Namikaze. Simple as that. There was never a point in the series where it was hinted at that he had Senju blood.

Naruto clearly is Namikaze yet his surname is Uzumaki..

That's because Hiruzen didn't want enemies to know that Naruto is Minato's son.

And he's bn referred as a Senju in the anime.

Flat out lie

Barring that.. In the last fight @ valley of end. I dont recall how Sasuke was Spamming Susanoo to block every atack It clearly requires a lot of Chakra when you depleted reserves and Itachi can only use it for so long.

Did you even read what I said? I specifically said that Itachi won't continuosly keep Susanoo activated. He would only use it if he has no other choice.

Thats why he doesnt use it straight from the beginning. Its not only out of character it helps saves chakra.. Minato's chakra consuming moves includes Teleporting large attacks .. Or large objects.. Yet we are aware of how his chakra reserves is immense and even special.

I never said Itachi would use Susanoo from the beginning.

2. On whether Izuna has Susano'o or not. Dude, listen up. He does. The only reason you argue he doesnt is because Obito doesnt Spam Susano'o.

You listen up. I never questioned whether or not he has Susanoo. I said that we don't know the context of their fight, so you shouldn't bring it up. It's not that hard to understand at all.

We have already seen three uchihas use Susanoo. Once you acquire MS, you get Amaterastu, Susanoo and a form of Genjustu.. Yes they have special powers..

Lmfao are you sure you know Naruto? Each MS has unique abilities. Kakashi/Obito has Kamui. Itachi has Tsukuyomi. Sasuke has Enton. Just because you have MS, it doesn't mean you have the same abilities as others who have MS.

But Kakashi clearly Used Obito's Susanoo against Kaguya.. So that makes 4. Him not using it is up to kishi. He could hve easily gone after kakashi and recovered his eye but that wasnt honourable and would have dented his idea of mystery...

Stop living in denial that Izuna cant when logic says he should by having acquired MS.

I never said his MS doesn't have a unique ability. I said that he doesn't have the same abilities as Itachi. Each MS has different abilities.

4. On teleportation: obito/kakash's Transportation technique is diff to Minato's granted. But they're both called Transportation techniques.

So what if they're both called Transportation techniques? Bunta and Manda are both called summonings, yet they have different strengths and weaknesses. Same thing with Kamui and FTG.

Minato moves INSTANTANEOUSLY.. Which makes it almost impossible to React..

Flat out lie. Bee reacted to him twice. I repeat, TWICE.

Bee prevented A from getting stabbed in the back
Bee prevented A from getting stabbed in the back
Bee reacted to Minaro teleporting behind him
Bee reacted to Minaro teleporting behind him

So much for Minato's FTG being impossible to react to. I already explained how Minato's stabbing motion is considered combat speed, which Itachi can easily react to. Again, it's not that hard to understand.

Itachi has bn hit before when he battled Sasuke..

I dont need to post scans.. Look up that battle. And im not saying when he got hit by that rigged Giant shuriken.. Sasuke actualky set him up.. By forcing him to jump whe he used Raikiri to charge the floor and Itachi was clearly beat in that instance.. Can just imagine what Minato wil do to him..

Did you miss the part where Itachi was dying of illness during the entire part?

As for keeping up with KCM naruto and bee..

Well thats easy because he had SHARINGAN smartypants..

Sasuke kept up with cloaked Naruto not because he was faster but because he could Read his movements

He also kept up with BEE for the same reason.

But had trouble dealing with RAIKaGE because he couldnt read the movements.

What the hell are you talking about? Sasuke was able to read Raikage's movements.

Dodges A from point blank and stabs him
Dodges A from point blank and stabs him
Activated Susanoo before he hit the ground
Activated Susanoo before he hit the ground
Attempted to defend himself by covering Susanoo with Amaterasu
Attempted to defend himself by covering Susanoo with Amaterasu
Uses Amaterasu to defend himself once again
Uses Amaterasu to defend himself once again

As you can see, Sasuke reacted to every single one of A's attacks. Your point is moot.

Naruto hadnt accelerated to Raikage Speeds at the time he battled itachi.. He had to blitz up and down to escape Raikage..

That's just a flat out lie. Naruto had the same speed when he fought A and Itachi.

While Itchi is decently Fast.. He uses SHARINGAN to ReAD MOVES which makes the opponents appear SLOWER. But in terms of OVERWHELMING speed evn iTaCHI wont keep up even if he sees it coming..

Once again, Minato's attacks are combat speed. They are not instantaneous. The only thing he does that's intantaneous is teleporting, not his motion to swing a kunai.

MINato moves INSTANTaNEOusly there's NOTHING TO READ.

Correction. He teleports instantly.

Plus his base reaction speed is impressive. Check out when obito attacked him on those head statues.. And tried to absorb him.. He clearly demonstrated his base Reaction speed. Every acknowledges this Narutoverse BUT you!

When the hell did I ever say Minato doesn't have good reaction speed?

He was able to save baby Naruto from Obito inside the delivery room when he had paper bombs attached to him.. Itachi can only dream of this reaction speed.

Lol Itachi has far better reaction feats.

And also caught Kushina from falling beforw he even learnt FTL. Dude Please.

Cool

On why genjustu wont work as i've said Jiraiya put naruto in a genjustu and instructed him to break out which he did.. I dont need to tel you demanding examples show you have no knowledge of how narutoverse genjutsu works..

Lmao what the fuck is so impressive about learning genjutsu defense from Jiraiya??? Naruto, who also learned genjutsu defense from Jiraiya failed miserably to break out of Itachi's clone's genjutsu. I repeat, genjutsu from Itachi's clone. Miss me with your BS.

Obito never bothered with genjustu when he met Minato because he knows its useless..

All speculation from you

And A told sauke Genjustu doesnt work when there's overwhelming speed .. Again Minato moves INstantaenously..

Did you not read the part where I said he is vulnerable right at the start of the fight and when he tries to blitz?

On issues of Amaterastu.. And Minato not being a Sensor i told you he can use sage mode. And he doesnt even need to since its out if character..

Exactly. He never uses it, so how the hell can he sense Amaterasu? You literally contradict yourself.

But amaterastu takes a while to prepare as well as other big uchiha moves.. Enough time for Minato to strike..

All it takes for Amaterasu is closing your eyes. How does that "take a while to prepare?"

Minato negates time.. And in terms of reaction and speed itachi clearly lags..

Lmao

As for exploding clones.. I've told you itachi cant tell where Minato wil teleport to.. Obito couldnt deduce. Nobody has.: even if you do.. He can still "jump" instantaneously and leave the battlefield formulate a plan and come back..

Are you blind or what? Why are you ignoring the fact that Itachi can look at where Minato spread his kunai? Once he knows where the kunais are at, he can leave clones to each of them.

Itachi is clearly OutClassed..

Keep telling yourself that

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#189 Posted by JdG (972 posts) - - Show Bio

@bionar said:

@jdG: i just read your comments on Itachi and Izanagi..

Thats really poor considering Itachi explained how both IZANAGI and IZANAMi works. He can clearly use both proficiently.

Kakashi and Sasuke know how Tsukuyomi works. That does mean they can use it? Nope. Obito knows how Amaterasu works. Does that mean he can use it? Nope. Do you see how your logic is severely flawed?

On your comments about Minato's strategic feats. You mentioned A and obito.

You failed to mention how he rescued Young Kakashi from being slashed by that ninja. And how incredible the reaction speed was..

How the fuck is that impressive strategy wise? I was talking about strategies, so why bring up reaction speed?

Not much has bn said about Minato since he isnt the titular character. Same goes for Itachi but we can deduce that Minato is the better ninja overall.

False

We've seen Itachi demonstrate his strategies and Minato as well.

And its clear that Kakashi is better than Itachi at formulating plans while Minato is probably on par with Kakashi.

Itachi is superior to both of them in strategy. Post scans of Kakashi or Minato's strategies. I guarantee none of them would come close to Itachi casting Izanami or breaking the Rinnegan link.

You are also neglecting Minato's nack for creating Jutsus during a battle. Itachi can only dream of this.

Are you gonna give Minato random jutsus he can "create" in this debate?

Minato also created his special Kunai.. And he's probably better than Itachi since he has to use Kunais to set up his battlefield.

He is better at using kunais? Good for him.

The moment Minato sets up his Kunais.. There's absoutely no escape for Itachi.. Only a matter of time. And clearly Minato has enough of IT.

Lol

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#190 Posted by Bionar (970 posts) - - Show Bio

@JdG: whats all this nonsense i see.

Its like you're living in Denial.

Sasuke clearly had trouble tracing A's movements.. Are you even reading the scans..thats why he had to shield himself with not just Susano but Enton...

You shouldnt be the one talking about speculation. When you implied that Itachi is a better strategist at Izanami and breaking Rinnengan link.

Da fuq?

Isnt izanami just a technique.. In the process of pulling that strategy he got slashed in half and would have died hadnt it bn for Edo tensei.:

You argue lke a toddler.. I dont believe everything has to be said in the series. You should imagine that itachi can clearly use Izanagi.. He explained how it works. Its different from merely being aware of the jutsu.

Thats where you really lost me..

Unique powers / special powers? Tomatoes tomatoes.. Itachi explained the powers that come with gaining MS. It hasnt bn stated otherwise that after acquiring MS you cant use Amaterastu, susanoo and the likes.

And besides obito only had one eye of his original sharingan.. ANd you need two of your original eyes to perform the tech as sasuke said.. Only madara has bn shown to perform susanoo without eyes.

Just because madara didnt use amaterastu doesnt mean he couldnt. We dont need know. We can only speculate based on what we've seen

Zetsu himself claimed amaterastu takes a short while.. You have to build chakra in your eye then look at the target.. So6p obito clearly figured this out.. So also Naruto..

Sigh..

You are the speculating how itachi will win by claiming he'll use exploding clones as if that will kill minato.. It didnt kill kakashi why will it kill minato.

You are speculating tht Itachi sees where all the kunais will go.. As if they are coated in chakra.. Other elite ninjas have not done such, and its completely out of the manga series logic.

You also said minato cant use clones, when we all know he can.. He used it during the Ninja war.. i'm starting to doubt whether you've read the manga to the end.

Its one of the first basic justus you learn @ the academy. And based on how minato fights i dont need anybody to tell me he cant spam bunshins albeit on a lesser scale to naruto.

You are clearly arguing just to win.. And not to understand the realities of the anime.

I'm not arguing with other viners but just you.. Why should i post scans when you have them.. You can live in denial all you want.. How does that affect my life. If you cant see Minato winning Itachi without Plot it shows you lack an understanding of the verse.

Posting scans and nitpicking words from anime isnt how to read any comic books. Some of these characters exaggerate. But relying on what zetsu said about Itachi being invisible and assuming characters like Minato, tobirama and jiraiya cant get past him.. Just shows how you reason. The first three kages have bn revered as god of shinobi yet we've seen other characters surpass them. And given them trouble

Sayonara

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#191 Posted by TheImmovableObject52 (202 posts) - - Show Bio

Minato takes this mid difficulty Itachi is a great ninja I'm not taking anything away from him but the 4th was hokage for a reason if he could tussle with Madara i don't see why he wouldn't be able to wreck Itachi

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#192 Posted by justicethorpsylocke (3073 posts) - - Show Bio

People act as if Amaterasu will always hit no matter what. Sasuke ran away from it for a while, I don't see how Minato won't do the same while scattering his tags.

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#193 Posted by The_Stern_ritter (566 posts) - - Show Bio

Itachi lacks the stamina to last in a long fight, unlike his fans who think he can use 5 amatersu's just like that. Lmfao

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#194 Posted by JdG (972 posts) - - Show Bio

@bionar said:

@JdG: whats all this nonsense i see.

You must bee seeing your own response

Its like you're living in Denial.

Sure buddy

Sasuke clearly had trouble tracing A's movements.. Are you even reading the scans..thats why he had to shield himself with not just Susano but Enton...

If he had trouble reading movements, he wouldn't have had time to react. On every single one of my scans, I showed Sasuke reacting to A. The only reason Sasuke got hurt in that fight is because A overpowered him.

You shouldnt be the one talking about speculation. When you implied that Itachi is a better strategist at Izanami and breaking Rinnengan link.

He is better. That's a fact that has evidence to back it up. Do you have evidence of Minato being a better strategist? No, you don't.

Da fuq?

Isnt izanami just a technique.. In the process of pulling that strategy he got slashed in half and would have died hadnt it bn for Edo tensei.:

Doesn't matter if he got slashed. We're talking about strategy here, not performance. Getting slashed was part of his strategy to cast Izanami on Kabuto.

You argue lke a toddler.. I dont believe everything has to be said in the series. You should imagine that itachi can clearly use Izanagi.. He explained how it works. Its different from merely being aware of the jutsu.

And you argue like an idiot. Did you not read the examples I gave earlier? Just because Itachi knows how a jutsu works, that doesn't mean he can use it. Kakashi and Sasuke know how Tsukuyomi works. They even experienced how it works. Does that mean they can use it? No.

Thats where you really lost me..

Unique powers / special powers? Tomatoes tomatoes.. Itachi explained the powers that come with gaining MS. It hasnt bn stated otherwise that after acquiring MS you cant use Amaterastu, susanoo and the likes.

You just exposed yourself. When Itachi said that, he was speaking on behalf of himself, not every MS user out there.

And besides obito only had one eye of his original sharingan.. ANd you need two of your original eyes to perform the tech as sasuke said.. Only madara has bn shown to perform susanoo without eyes.

You have absolutely no clue what the hell you're talking about. Sasuke can't use Tsukuyomi because that's not the part of his MS powerset.

Danzo clearly states that Sasuke can't use Tsukuyomi.
Danzo clearly states that Sasuke can't use Tsukuyomi.

Same thing with the other Uchihas. They all have different powersets.

Just because madara didnt use amaterastu doesnt mean he couldnt. We dont need know. We can only speculate based on what we've seen

Just about every person I've encountered on this site accept the fact that each MS has different abilities. You're the only one that doesn't think so.

Zetsu himself claimed amaterastu takes a short while.. You have to build chakra in your eye then look at the target.. So6p obito clearly figured this out.. So also Naruto..

Itachi casted Amaterasu before Sasuke's fire jutsh got to him. Pretty damn quick if you ask me
Itachi casted Amaterasu before Sasuke's fire jutsh got to him. Pretty damn quick if you ask me

Obito and Naruto knew Amaterasu was coming because they can sense it. Minato can't do tbe same.

Sigh..

Sigh all you want. I feel like smacking myself for wasting my time reading your dumbass statements.

You are the speculating how itachi will win by claiming he'll use exploding clones as if that will kill minato.. It didnt kill kakashi why will it kill minato.

It didn't kill Kakashi because he saw through Itachi's plan with his Sharingan. Minato, on the other hand, doesn't have Sharingan, and therefore can't avoid it like Kakashi.

You are speculating tht Itachi sees where all the kunais will go.. As if they are coated in chakra.. Other elite ninjas have not done such, and its completely out of the manga series logic.

Are you blind or do you just choose to ignore my scans? Did you not see A look straight at Minato's tags?

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You also said minato cant use clones, when we all know he can.. He used it during the Ninja war.. i'm starting to doubt whether you've read the manga to the end.

He used one. A single clone, and that clone didn't even use a regular Rasengan. You suggesting that Minato can and would summon a bunch of clones and have them all use Oodama Rasengan is completely laughable.

Its one of the first basic justus you learn @ the academy. And based on how minato fights i dont need anybody to tell me he cant spam bunshins albeit on a lesser scale to naruto.

It's not in character for him to fight with clones, let alone have them all use Oodama Rasenga. Get that through your thick head.

You are clearly arguing just to win.. And not to understand the realities of the anime.

You're the one suggesting that Minato can do things he's never done before.

I'm not arguing with other viners but just you.. Why should i post scans when you have them.. You can live in denial all you want.. How does that affect my life. If you cant see Minato winning Itachi without Plot it shows you lack an understanding of the verse.

You severely lack understanding of the verse since you can't even back up what you say with evidence.

Posting scans and nitpicking words from anime isnt how to read any comic books. Some of these characters exaggerate. But relying on what zetsu said about Itachi being invisible and assuming characters like Minato, tobirama and jiraiya cant get past him.. Just shows how you reason. The first three kages have bn revered as god of shinobi yet we've seen other characters surpass them. And given them trouble

The why do you rely on Itachi's statement that he can't beat Jiraiya? Did it ever occur to you that Itachi is a double agent? The only reason I posted that scan was to show you why you shouldn't rely on statements. I literally said that as I posted the original scan. Guess you ignored that as well, huh? Not surprised at this point.

Sayonara

Good riddance

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#195 Posted by DeathHero61 (18759 posts) - - Show Bio

Good matchup, Minato is my fav naruto character, but it could go either way. Since i am biased i'll say Minato

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#196 Posted by mrx1122 (2919 posts) - - Show Bio

itachi uchiha

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#197 Posted by Bionar (970 posts) - - Show Bio

@JdG:

I apologise for saying you argue like a toddler. We dont have to subject ourselves to insults for fictional characters.

I have already agreed with you that uchihas have unique powersets after acquiring MS.

Obito has teleportaton jutsu and Kamui.

Shuishu has his unique genjutsu.. Kotoama.. Something

Itachi has Tskuyomi.

However, Izanami and Izanagi are jutsus that can be learnt even by ninjas like Danzo who isnt an Uchiha.

As for A attacking Minato, granted he saw the kunais but you must admit he didnt succesfully predict where Minato jumped to.

Minato realized he would have seen him spread the kunais and jumped behind B.

Its all part of the strategy.

Itachi is unlikely to catch minato by suprise .

And while none of what you said changed the outcome of the battle i.e Itachi losing.

I'm not saying there arent situations where Itachi wont win.

But i just see Minato edging him out most of the time.

So lets just agree to disagree.

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#198 Posted by JdG (972 posts) - - Show Bio

@bionar said:

@JdG:

I apologise for saying you argue like a toddler. We dont have to subject ourselves to insults for fictional characters.

Agreed

I have already agreed with you that uchihas have unique powersets after acquiring MS.

Obito has teleportaton jutsu and Kamui.

Shuishu has his unique genjutsu.. Kotoama.. Something

Itachi has Tskuyomi.

However, Izanami and Izanagi are jutsus that can be learnt even by ninjas like Danzo who isnt an Uchiha.

I wasn't using the unique MS argument for the case of does Itachi know how to use Izanagi. I was using the unique MS argument for what you said about how "Tobirama beat an Izuna, who is pretty much the same as Itachi, so Minato should be able to beat Itachi."

As for A attacking Minato, granted he saw the kunais but you must admit he didnt succesfully predict where Minato jumped to.

That's because he didn't see Minato mark Bee's tentacle. If Itachi was in A's place, he would have noticed because of his Sharingan.

Minato realized he would have seen him spread the kunais and jumped behind B.

Again, Itachi would have seen that coming because of Sharingan.

Its all part of the strategy.

Not really. I am pretty sure he didn't plan that, since he didn't know that Bee was the Hachibi's jinchuuriki.

Itachi is unlikely to catch minato by suprise .

Minato is not a sensor. He would not know that Itachi is about to use Amaterasu.

And while none of what you said changed the outcome of the battle i.e Itachi losing.

I'm not saying there arent situations where Itachi wont win.

But i just see Minato edging him out most of the time.

So lets just agree to disagree.

Alright then

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#199 Posted by Basemanjack (177 posts) - - Show Bio

Like itachi but I'll go with minato(the yellow flash)

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#200 Posted by ITACHI_IS_GAWD (461 posts) - - Show Bio

Itachi