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#1 Posted by TheWhiteLantern (171 posts) - - Show Bio

Midnighter is on a mission to assassinate the fourth hokage. Minato hears that two leaf guards have been killed on the perimeter of the village. He is briefed quickly on midnighter, then rushes out to find him, he sees him from a distance a distance and stops about 1 building away. The battle begins.

Both in character

Midnighter gets all the prep he wants but knows nothing about his opponent.

Win by Death.

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#2 Posted by TheWhiteLantern (171 posts) - - Show Bio

BUMP

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#3 Posted by Nefarious (34115 posts) - - Show Bio

Midnighter wins with prep time. He will already know what Minato will do. Midnighter is really hexed.

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#4 Posted by Cable_Extreme (13024 posts) - - Show Bio

Midnighter wins with prep time. He will already know what Minato will do. Midnighter is really hexed.

Well, I would say that is a little misleading. While I agree with Midnighters victory, his main ability is to predict the possible outcomes as well as review the persons abilities. He doesn't know what they WILL do, only what they are most likely to do in millions of simulations.

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#5 Posted by oceanmaster21 (13827 posts) - - Show Bio
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#6 Edited by TheWhiteLantern (171 posts) - - Show Bio
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#7 Edited by oceanmaster21 (13827 posts) - - Show Bio

@thewhitelantern: bc minato is so fast hes more skilled and has powerful energy attacks of some sort

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#8 Posted by Cable_Extreme (13024 posts) - - Show Bio

@thewhitelantern: bc minato is so fast hes more skilled and has powerful energy attacks of some sort

I would disagree with him being faster and more skilled.

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#9 Posted by oceanmaster21 (13827 posts) - - Show Bio

ok the skilled part was a strecth but he seems have a little bit more speed@cable_extreme:

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#10 Edited by Cable_Extreme (13024 posts) - - Show Bio

@oceanmaster21

I can't load any feats for some reason, but Midnighter speed blitz speedsters before, he has also been so fast that he was never in the same spot more than 2 seconds. He has the ability to teleport using an ability called "door". I don't see Minato being as fast reflex wise, what makes him fast is his teleportation. But Midnighter would already know all of his abilities, and know millions of ways he could win the fight before it even starts. Minato on the other hand would remain reletively clueless.

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#11 Posted by Nelomaxwell (13473 posts) - - Show Bio

Midnighter eats his heart.

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#12 Posted by OmgOmgWtfWtf (7475 posts) - - Show Bio

Midnighter throws a nuke into the battlefield and doors away.

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#13 Edited by Thewhiteronin (1462 posts) - - Show Bio

Midnighter isn't known for his feats of preparation, he's known for more predicting scenarios with his battle computer while fighting his opponent. Anyway, since you did not mention whether or not Midnighter gets his doors or not, then Doors are assumed to be allowed in this battle. In which case, Midnighter throws Minato (Sorry Minato) into space. However, if you turn off Midnighter's doors for this battle, Minato can win.

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#14 Posted by Marshall_Long (5040 posts) - - Show Bio

Does Midnighter have an answer to Bijuu mode? if not then he gets blitzed.

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#15 Posted by Cable_Extreme (13024 posts) - - Show Bio

Does Midnighter have an answer to Bijuu mode? if not then he gets blitzed.

I doubt that

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#16 Posted by Marshall_Long (5040 posts) - - Show Bio
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#17 Edited by Cable_Extreme (13024 posts) - - Show Bio
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#18 Posted by Marshall_Long (5040 posts) - - Show Bio
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#19 Posted by Cable_Extreme (13024 posts) - - Show Bio

@cable_extreme: So your saying Midnighter is Hypersonic?

Are you saying Minato without teleportation is super sonic? And yes, Midnighter has speed blitzed speedsters before.

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#20 Edited by PrinceAragorn1 (31807 posts) - - Show Bio

@marshall_long said:

@cable_extreme: So your saying Midnighter is Hypersonic?

Are you saying Minato without teleportation is super sonic? And yes, Midnighter has speed blitzed speedsters before.

One: Naruto uses term 'teleportion' for simple high speed movement.

Two: Considering minato's faster that v2 raikage/kcm naruto, who's way faster that Weights-off lee, instead of asking supersonic/hypersonic, it'd better to ask what mach range should he be in..

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#21 Posted by DarkRaiden (15467 posts) - - Show Bio

@cable_extreme said:

@marshall_long said:

@cable_extreme: So your saying Midnighter is Hypersonic?

Are you saying Minato without teleportation is super sonic? And yes, Midnighter has speed blitzed speedsters before.

One: Naruto uses term 'teleportion' for simple high speed movement.

Two: Considering minato's faster that v2 raikage/kcm naruto, who's way faster that Weights-off lee, instead of asking supersonic/hypersonic, it'd better to ask what mach range should he be in..

1. Minato uses space/time jutsu so that's irrelevant.

2. He's not faster than v2 Raikage w/o his space/time jutsu.

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#22 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (31807 posts) - - Show Bio

@princearagorn1 said:

@cable_extreme said:

@marshall_long said:

@cable_extreme: So your saying Midnighter is Hypersonic?

Are you saying Minato without teleportation is super sonic? And yes, Midnighter has speed blitzed speedsters before.

One: Naruto uses term 'teleportion' for simple high speed movement.

Two: Considering minato's faster that v2 raikage/kcm naruto, who's way faster that Weights-off lee, instead of asking supersonic/hypersonic, it'd better to ask what mach range should he be in..

1. Minato uses space/time jutsu so that's irrelevant.

2. He's not faster than v2 Raikage w/o his space/time jutsu.

1. Hmm, ok.

2. Raikage disagrees.

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#23 Posted by TheWhiteLantern (171 posts) - - Show Bio

@princearagorn1: I'm pretty sure Minato's teleportation is instant transportation..

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#24 Edited by Cable_Extreme (13024 posts) - - Show Bio

@princearagorn1 said:

@cable_extreme said:

@marshall_long said:

@cable_extreme: So your saying Midnighter is Hypersonic?

Are you saying Minato without teleportation is super sonic? And yes, Midnighter has speed blitzed speedsters before.

One: Naruto uses term 'teleportion' for simple high speed movement.

Two: Considering minato's faster that v2 raikage/kcm naruto, who's way faster that Weights-off lee, instead of asking supersonic/hypersonic, it'd better to ask what mach range should he be in..

Yeah, but, if Minato teleports and that is the base of his speed, Midnighter could detect the chemical processes in his brain and determine where he would most likely teleport, he would know all of his powers as well. I would say Lee, and Raikage have a completely different type of speed than Minato does. His speed is due to his teleportation, and Midnighter being the guy he is has the advantage with his computer. Midnighter is definitely not slow.

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#25 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (31807 posts) - - Show Bio

@princearagorn1: I'm pretty sure Minato's teleportation is instant transportation..

Not the one using kunai.. I'm talking about standard high speed movements they make..

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#26 Posted by DarkRaiden (15467 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden said:

@princearagorn1 said:

@cable_extreme said:

@marshall_long said:

@cable_extreme: So your saying Midnighter is Hypersonic?

Are you saying Minato without teleportation is super sonic? And yes, Midnighter has speed blitzed speedsters before.

One: Naruto uses term 'teleportion' for simple high speed movement.

Two: Considering minato's faster that v2 raikage/kcm naruto, who's way faster that Weights-off lee, instead of asking supersonic/hypersonic, it'd better to ask what mach range should he be in..

1. Minato uses space/time jutsu so that's irrelevant.

2. He's not faster than v2 Raikage w/o his space/time jutsu.

1. Hmm, ok.

2. Raikage disagrees.

2. Only time Minato showed any speed well....ever is with his space time jutsu. No one refers to Minato's natural speed, they refer to his Hirashin.

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#27 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (31807 posts) - - Show Bio

@princearagorn1 said:

@cable_extreme said:

@marshall_long said:

@cable_extreme: So your saying Midnighter is Hypersonic?

Are you saying Minato without teleportation is super sonic? And yes, Midnighter has speed blitzed speedsters before.

One: Naruto uses term 'teleportion' for simple high speed movement.

Two: Considering minato's faster that v2 raikage/kcm naruto, who's way faster that Weights-off lee, instead of asking supersonic/hypersonic, it'd better to ask what mach range should he be in..

Yeah, but, if Minato teleports and that is the base of his speed, Midnighter could detect the chemical processes in his brain and determine where he would most likely teleport, he would know all of his powers as well. I would say Lee, and Raikage have a completely different type of speed than Minato does. His speed is due to his teleportation, and Midnighter being the guy he is, would allow him a better chance of predicting a teleporter than a high speed runner. Midnighter is definitely not slow, and he has the advantage of his computer.

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Minato's faster than raikage, he admitted it himself. Second hokage, and obito both are teleporters, in fact, obito's teleportion is better than either of the two. but neither of them are considered fastest ninjas in the world. Kakashi compared minato's bijju mode speed to minato's as well.

And anyway, it's rather obvious that minato is faster than pre-timeskip genin lee.

Even predicting all the situations doesn't mean he actually has the speed to keep up. The outcome prediction will work well with people in the same speed range, but if the enemy is vastly faster than you are, it'll only serve to depress you before the fight..

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#28 Posted by TheWhiteLantern (171 posts) - - Show Bio

@princearagorn1: Oh then yes Minato never really looked like his movement was that fast without the kunai's/ marking, but he was always a great close range fighter to make up for that

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#29 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (31807 posts) - - Show Bio

2. Only time Minato showed any speed well....ever is with his space time jutsu. No one refers to Minato's natural speed, they refer to his Hirashin.

proof?

Second used hiraishin, too. What was the last time anyone called him fastest ninja in the world?

And raikage admitted having lower speed than him. That kind of seals it..

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#30 Posted by DarkRaiden (15467 posts) - - Show Bio

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2. Only time Minato showed any speed well....ever is with his space time jutsu. No one refers to Minato's natural speed, they refer to his Hirashin.

proof?

Second used hiraishin, too. What was the last time anyone called him fastest ninja in the world?

And raikage admitted having lower speed than him. That kind of seals it..

No it doesn't. Raikage mentioned and showed the time he got outspeeded......and Hirashin was used. Minato literally has 0 speed feats on any high level w/o hirashin.

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#31 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (31807 posts) - - Show Bio

@princearagorn1: Oh then yes Minato never really looked like his movement was that fast without the kunai's/ marking, but he was always a great close range fighter to make up for that

Actually, check his fight with obito. His movement speed is far faster than obito's. He throws a kunai and makes a rasengan by the time obito touches him. Even before that, check when he jumps out of obito's kamui..

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#32 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (31807 posts) - - Show Bio

No it doesn't. Raikage mentioned and showed the time he got outspeeded......and Hirashin was used. Minato literally has 0 speed feats on any high level w/o hirashin.

Oh really? He admits being slower than minato. And kakashi compares naruto's bijju mode speed to minato's. Unless you have anything saying he's only fast because of hiraishin, stop claiming random stuff.

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#33 Edited by Cable_Extreme (13024 posts) - - Show Bio

@princearagorn1 said:

@cable_extreme said:

@princearagorn1 said:

@cable_extreme said:

@marshall_long said:

@cable_extreme: So your saying Midnighter is Hypersonic?

Are you saying Minato without teleportation is super sonic? And yes, Midnighter has speed blitzed speedsters before.

One: Naruto uses term 'teleportion' for simple high speed movement.

Two: Considering minato's faster that v2 raikage/kcm naruto, who's way faster that Weights-off lee, instead of asking supersonic/hypersonic, it'd better to ask what mach range should he be in..

Yeah, but, if Minato teleports and that is the base of his speed, Midnighter could detect the chemical processes in his brain and determine where he would most likely teleport, he would know all of his powers as well. I would say Lee, and Raikage have a completely different type of speed than Minato does. His speed is due to his teleportation, and Midnighter being the guy he is, would allow him a better chance of predicting a teleporter than a high speed runner. Midnighter is definitely not slow, and he has the advantage of his computer.

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Minato's faster than raikage, he admitted it himself. Second hokage, and obito both are teleporters, in fact, obito's teleportion is better than either of the two. but neither of them are considered fastest ninjas in the world. Kakashi compared minato's bijju mode speed to minato's as well.

And anyway, it's rather obvious that minato is faster than pre-timeskip genin lee.

Even predicting all the situations doesn't mean he actually has the speed to keep up. The outcome prediction will work well with people in the same speed range, but if the enemy is vastly faster than you are, it'll only serve to depress you before the fight..

He broke the neck of Impetus, a speedster who tooled Stormwatch and the Authority at the same time:

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Killed Rush and the Surgeon in the time it took for the Colonel to look around:

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And blitzed a supersoldier before the guy could even think about reacting:

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(Scans and commentary borrowed from @citizenbane on http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/zohan-vs-midnighter-658625/ )

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#34 Edited by DarkRaiden (15467 posts) - - Show Bio

@princearagorn1 said:

@darkraiden said:

No it doesn't. Raikage mentioned and showed the time he got outspeeded......and Hirashin was used. Minato literally has 0 speed feats on any high level w/o hirashin.

Oh really? He admits being slower than minato. And kakashi compares naruto's bijju mode speed to minato's. Unless you have anything saying he's only fast because of hiraishin, stop claiming random stuff.

THE ONLY SCENE WHERE HIS SPEED IS MENTIONED AND SHOWN IS WITH HIRASHIN!

Duh. Get with the program. Sometimes I think you don't even read Naruto.

See? Even when he blatantly uses Hirashin, they call it speed.
See? Even when he blatantly uses Hirashin, they call it speed.

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#35 Edited by PrinceAragorn1 (31807 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden said:

@princearagorn1 said:

Oh really? He admits being slower than minato. And kakashi compares naruto's bijju mode speed to minato's. Unless you have anything saying he's only fast because of hiraishin, stop claiming random stuff.

THE ONLY SCENE WHERE HIS SPEED IS MENTIONED AND SHOWN IS WITH HIRASHIN!

Duh. Get with the program. Sometimes I think you don't even read Naruto.

And? if you have some real proof that minato's only fast because of hiraishin, post it, otherwise stop claiming things randomly.

What exactly is a problem with a teleporter being fast?

You think of a lot of things.. not relevant.

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#36 Edited by Saren (27534 posts) - - Show Bio

Midnighter isn't known for his feats of preparation because he doesn't prep in the typical Stark/Richards/Wayne patented way of inventing solutions for every problem. His idea of prep is destroying an island and killing everyone on it by flying the Carrier through it, or directing the Carrier to tactical-nuke all his enemies from orbit, or summoning an entire alternate universe of heroes to fight a reality-warping threat.

The stipulation about giving Midnighter all the prep he could ever want is ridiculous. He'd annihilate Minato without even trying. He wouldn't even have to lift a finger, he'd just tell the Carrier to do it for him. The technology and gear he has access to as part of the Authority makes this an incredibly lopsided fight. And that's assuming Midnighter couldn't just kill Minato with his bare hands, I don't know anything about the character. But he better be some kind of planetary+ threat to stand the shadow of a chance against someone who can predict everything he's going to do at a glance and who has access to technology capable of leveling planets and caging baby universes.

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#37 Posted by RetconCrisis (5578 posts) - - Show Bio

@oceanmaster21: Midnighter's been so fast that oridinary people saw him as a blur. I'm not saying he'll win, just that he's not slow.

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#38 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (31807 posts) - - Show Bio

@oceanmaster21: Midnighter's been so fast that oridinary people saw him as a blur. I'm not saying he'll win, just that he's not slow.

Being seen as a blur and even so fast that he was near invisible is a KN0 feat.. and that wasn't just any 'people', it was sasuke with sharingan..

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#39 Posted by RetconCrisis (5578 posts) - - Show Bio

@princearagorn1: I think that Minato wins, I'm just saying that MN isn't as slow as some people here think.

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#40 Posted by DarkRaiden (15467 posts) - - Show Bio

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@princearagorn1 said:

Oh really? He admits being slower than minato. And kakashi compares naruto's bijju mode speed to minato's. Unless you have anything saying he's only fast because of hiraishin, stop claiming random stuff.

THE ONLY SCENE WHERE HIS SPEED IS MENTIONED AND SHOWN IS WITH HIRASHIN!

Duh. Get with the program. Sometimes I think you don't even read Naruto.

And? if you have some real proof that minato's only fast because of hiraishin, post it, otherwise stop claiming things randomly.

What exactly is a problem with a teleporter being fast?

You think of a lot of things.. not relevant.

I just did. He's only been mentioned as fast with Hirashin.

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#41 Edited by PrinceAragorn1 (31807 posts) - - Show Bio

@princearagorn1 said:

@darkraiden said:

@princearagorn1 said:

Oh really? He admits being slower than minato. And kakashi compares naruto's bijju mode speed to minato's. Unless you have anything saying he's only fast because of hiraishin, stop claiming random stuff.

THE ONLY SCENE WHERE HIS SPEED IS MENTIONED AND SHOWN IS WITH HIRASHIN!

Duh. Get with the program. Sometimes I think you don't even read Naruto.

And? if you have some real proof that minato's only fast because of hiraishin, post it, otherwise stop claiming things randomly.

What exactly is a problem with a teleporter being fast?

You think of a lot of things.. not relevant.

I just did. He's only been mentioned as fast with Hirashin.

And? Second has hiraishin. Is he the fastest ninja in the world? No. Obito has better time/space technique than hiraishin. Did raikage admit being slower than him? No.

That's why I asked you for 'real' proof. Not what you think is proof.

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#42 Posted by Ratava (8558 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden said:

@princearagorn1 said:

@darkraiden said:

@princearagorn1 said:

Oh really? He admits being slower than minato. And kakashi compares naruto's bijju mode speed to minato's. Unless you have anything saying he's only fast because of hiraishin, stop claiming random stuff.

THE ONLY SCENE WHERE HIS SPEED IS MENTIONED AND SHOWN IS WITH HIRASHIN!

Duh. Get with the program. Sometimes I think you don't even read Naruto.

And? if you have some real proof that minato's only fast because of hiraishin, post it, otherwise stop claiming things randomly.

What exactly is a problem with a teleporter being fast?

You think of a lot of things.. not relevant.

I just did. He's only been mentioned as fast with Hirashin.

And? Second has hiraishin. Is he the fastest ninja in the world? No. Obito has better time/space technique than hiraishin. Did raikage admit being slower than him? No.

That's why I asked you for 'real' proof. Not what you think is proof.

There were at least two instances i remember where he was praised for his speed without usage of his FTG (instead his Shunshin is mentioned)

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#43 Posted by DarkRaiden (15467 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden said:

@princearagorn1 said:

@darkraiden said:

@princearagorn1 said:

Oh really? He admits being slower than minato. And kakashi compares naruto's bijju mode speed to minato's. Unless you have anything saying he's only fast because of hiraishin, stop claiming random stuff.

THE ONLY SCENE WHERE HIS SPEED IS MENTIONED AND SHOWN IS WITH HIRASHIN!

Duh. Get with the program. Sometimes I think you don't even read Naruto.

And? if you have some real proof that minato's only fast because of hiraishin, post it, otherwise stop claiming things randomly.

What exactly is a problem with a teleporter being fast?

You think of a lot of things.. not relevant.

I just did. He's only been mentioned as fast with Hirashin.

And? Second has hiraishin. Is he the fastest ninja in the world? No. Obito has better time/space technique than hiraishin. Did raikage admit being slower than him? No.

That's why I asked you for 'real' proof. Not what you think is proof.

Stop being stupid.

A has NO idea who Tobi is, he's fought him for like .5 seconds. He has no reason to claim he's slower, and the 2nd wasn't even known for his Hirashin. Hell, we only knew about it because he used it in recent chapters. Can't have a nickname for something you're not known for.

Only time Minato's speed has been mentioned is with Hirashin. Period.

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#44 Posted by DarkRaiden (15467 posts) - - Show Bio

@ratava said:

@princearagorn1 said:

@darkraiden said:

@princearagorn1 said:

@darkraiden said:

@princearagorn1 said:

Oh really? He admits being slower than minato. And kakashi compares naruto's bijju mode speed to minato's. Unless you have anything saying he's only fast because of hiraishin, stop claiming random stuff.

THE ONLY SCENE WHERE HIS SPEED IS MENTIONED AND SHOWN IS WITH HIRASHIN!

Duh. Get with the program. Sometimes I think you don't even read Naruto.

And? if you have some real proof that minato's only fast because of hiraishin, post it, otherwise stop claiming things randomly.

What exactly is a problem with a teleporter being fast?

You think of a lot of things.. not relevant.

I just did. He's only been mentioned as fast with Hirashin.

And? Second has hiraishin. Is he the fastest ninja in the world? No. Obito has better time/space technique than hiraishin. Did raikage admit being slower than him? No.

That's why I asked you for 'real' proof. Not what you think is proof.

There were at least two instances i remember where he was praised for his speed without usage of his FTG (instead his Shunshin is mentioned)

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Pretty sure the 2nd meant his Hirashin. Cause using shunshin would imply that the 2nd is as slow as Hiruzen who is really, really slow. Which would, again, be not a feat at all for Minato. Logically he means his Hirashin is better. Shunshin doesn't work in that context.

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#45 Posted by Odinsonnn (315 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden: What does it matter if hiraishin is the basis of his speed? That's like saying flash is only fast because of the speed force?

Well, yeah of course there is a causal factor in just about everything. You're just stating the reason as to why Minato is the fastest shinobi, while ignoring/point-shaving the very fact that it is the case. Bottom line, ya know?

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#46 Edited by PrinceAragorn1 (31807 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden said:

@princearagorn1 said:

And? Second has hiraishin. Is he the fastest ninja in the world? No. Obito has better time/space technique than hiraishin. Did raikage admit being slower than him? No.

That's why I asked you for 'real' proof. Not what you think is proof.

Stop being stupid.

A has NO idea who Tobi is, he's fought him for like .5 seconds. He has no reason to claim he's slower, and the 2nd wasn't even known for his Hirashin. Hell, we only knew about it because he used it in recent chapters. Can't have a nickname for something you're not known for.

Only time Minato's speed has been mentioned is with Hirashin. Period.

Really, if you're unable to provide proof, others are stupid? Grow up.

Unless you can back up that minato's only fast because of hiraishin, we're not taking your thoughts as valid.

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#47 Posted by Ratava (8558 posts) - - Show Bio

@ratava said:

@princearagorn1 said:

@darkraiden said:

@princearagorn1 said:

@darkraiden said:

@princearagorn1 said:

Oh really? He admits being slower than minato. And kakashi compares naruto's bijju mode speed to minato's. Unless you have anything saying he's only fast because of hiraishin, stop claiming random stuff.

THE ONLY SCENE WHERE HIS SPEED IS MENTIONED AND SHOWN IS WITH HIRASHIN!

Duh. Get with the program. Sometimes I think you don't even read Naruto.

And? if you have some real proof that minato's only fast because of hiraishin, post it, otherwise stop claiming things randomly.

What exactly is a problem with a teleporter being fast?

You think of a lot of things.. not relevant.

I just did. He's only been mentioned as fast with Hirashin.

And? Second has hiraishin. Is he the fastest ninja in the world? No. Obito has better time/space technique than hiraishin. Did raikage admit being slower than him? No.

That's why I asked you for 'real' proof. Not what you think is proof.

There were at least two instances i remember where he was praised for his speed without usage of his FTG (instead his Shunshin is mentioned)

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Pretty sure the 2nd meant his Hirashin. Cause using shunshin would imply that the 2nd is as slow as Hiruzen who is really, really slow. Which would, again, be not a feat at all for Minato. Logically he means his Hirashin is better. Shunshin doesn't work in that context.

no - that would make no sense, how would he be able to use his FTG on such a distance without having a seal there. And the second knows how fast he would be with his Shunshin so its no problem to make a comment on the 4th speed. (and theres is no other translation so its Shunshin not FTG)

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#48 Edited by PrinceAragorn1 (31807 posts) - - Show Bio

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@darkraiden said:


Pretty sure the 2nd meant his Hirashin. Cause using shunshin would imply that the 2nd is as slow as Hiruzen who is really, really slow. Which would, again, be not a feat at all for Minato. Logically he means his Hirashin is better. Shunshin doesn't work in that context.

no - that would make no sense, how would he be able to use his FTG on such a distance without having a seal there. And the second knows how fast he would be with his Shunshin so its no problem to make a comment on the 4th speed. (and theres is no other translation so its Shunshin not FTG)

And it would also mean first and third have speed equal to hiraishin lol

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#49 Posted by Ratava (8558 posts) - - Show Bio

@ratava said:

@darkraiden said:

Pretty sure the 2nd meant his Hirashin. Cause using shunshin would imply that the 2nd is as slow as Hiruzen who is really, really slow. Which would, again, be not a feat at all for Minato. Logically he means his Hirashin is better. Shunshin doesn't work in that context.

no - that would make no sense, how would he be able to use his FTG on such a distance without having a seal there. And the second knows how fast he would be with his Shunshin so its no problem to make a comment on the 4th speed. (and theres is no other translation so its Shunshin not FTG)

And it would also mean first and third have speed equal to hiraishin lol

yep - that too :D

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#50 Posted by Immortal777 (9602 posts) - - Show Bio

Midnighter kills Minato with a nuke.