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#1 Posted by SirFizzWhizz (37749 posts) - - Show Bio

@deathhero61:

  • Gaara(5)
  • Edward(1)
  • Damian Dark(2)

@mr_ingenuity:

  • Cable 4
  • AoA Blink 2
  • Exiles Mimic 1

Rules

Energy will be equalize in affect to each other. Mystical energies will be mystical base, scientific with scientific, ect. Science base and Mystical base energies do not mix though.

Mind Control and Attacks on the other team is not allowed. On your team and NPCs is allowed. This does not count for Illusions. Mental attacks done by touch or tagging the opponent are allowed.

Everyone will be in character.

No BFR into other dimensions or outside battle zone.

Everyone will have decent teamwork.

Battlefield

Start 20 feet from the middle.

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#2 Posted by DeathHero61 (18480 posts) - - Show Bio

Welp. @mr_ingenuity its been awhile since I've squared off against someone of your caliber, so I insist, you go first. I don't know your characters too well.

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#3 Posted by LarcadeDragneel (1355 posts) - - Show Bio

T4V

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#4 Edited by Mr_Ingenuity (14555 posts) - - Show Bio

@deathhero61: This should be interesting. Not trying to make a respect thread. Just giving a little bit of the characters capabilities with handbook entries & scans. More feats & details of their powers to come.

Character Intros

AoA Blink

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Blink doesn't have many if any strength & durability feats. She reliant on speed & teleportation, so I'll note her relevant feats for those categorizes.

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Teleportation speed. Also note how many portals she opens & how many characters she teleports.

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Teleports inside of a jet moving a supersonic speed.

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When she isn't caught unaware Blink is able to match King Hyperion in speed.

She states as much here.

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Shows as much here by teleporting his Flash Vision & evading him.

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Here is Blink using teleportation in close quarters combat multiple blinks in a panel.

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Cable

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Couldn't find a handbook entry of Vol 1 Cable I'm using but here is a close as I got. To clarify this handbook entry is post Cable & Deadpool which noting Cable's high end telepathy. Not applicable to Cable in this match.

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Telepathy

Mind link with team & PSI scans the area.

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Harness the thoughts of the Weapon - X to use as a telepathic blast

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Telekinesis

Bullet timing.

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TK shield stops Cable from being crushed by a Semi Truck.

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A quick TK shield stops Cable form being KOed by Nate Grey.

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TK shields himself & some avengers form a city block explosion.

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Mimic (Exiles/Earth-12)

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Powers

  • Colossus
  • Cyclops
  • North Star
  • Wolverine
  • Beast

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While the handbook isn't wrong that Mimic copies mutants it leaves out that he can also copier Super humans in general stated in the comic & displayed on a number of occasions.

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Copies the Phoenix. It should be noted he mimic Phoenix mid combat while replacing angels wings.

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Copies Human Torch's powers.

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Also he can stack similar power sets to by pass the limitation of only getting half.

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#5 Posted by SirFizzWhizz (37749 posts) - - Show Bio

Lets get ready to rumble.

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#6 Edited by DeathHero61 (18480 posts) - - Show Bio

@mr_ingenuity:Welp. Let's do this. I don't debate with CW Characters, Naruto characters and FMA tjat often so bare with me If i miss out on context here and there

I'm not sure If I am allowed composite feats with Edward or not, but i'll make things simple and copy and paste my post from SFW's corporate tourney

Edward Elric

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Edward Elric committed the ultimate taboo, in result losing an arm and a leg, but was gifted alchemic prowess above what he already had. Edward Elric is a state alchemist who throughout the series sought out a way to get the bodies of both himself and his brother who lost his entire body. Along the way Ed fights numerous combatants and got himself out of several situations, he may be short, but he's insanely tough and his alchemy combined with his great CQC skills and superhuman stats make him a jack of all trades.

Strength

Whether it's through his own raw strength or his automail, Edward has great strength feats that make him worthy of 3 points.

Kicks a chimera a good 20 feet or more away casually. To make note Ed's automail is fairly durable, claws that can cut through Iron can't even dent it.

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Ed also ends up KOing it with his normal leg easily.

With his automailblocked attacks from Father Cornello whose blows and mere movement were casually shattering stone walls and making craters in the ground.

Easily punches through a tree

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Was able to crush another steel automail with his own

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Cuts through a mech with his transmuted automail blade

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Grapples Greed, breaks his neck and takes him down to the ground so hard that he cracks up the concrete beneath them.'

and one of my favorites is Edward smashing through a wall and choking out someone to the point of a KO

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Durability

Automail arms easily tanks a sword clashing against it, breaking it in the process

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Tanks a heavy, bulletproof suit of armor thrown hard enough to bust a concrete wall made by Edward. I'll explain why this is impressive later in the alchemy section.

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Tanks a hit from Envy who can not only ragdoll Ling,but can smash through stone pillars

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Edward also tanked a grenade from Lan Fan in close and the explosion was large enough to rise and expand over larger buildings. There's no way Edward is fast enough to outspeed the explosion, and he was clearly right next to the grenade so he must have taken it directly.

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Best part about this is the general area they were in was destroyed. So there's no doubting the destructive output of the grenade.

Speed

Edward with his small stature really benefits from his speed and he has lots of it. Like reacting to minigun fire for example.

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Edward has also embarrassed Dolcetto who was capable of blitzing soldiers before they could do anything or process what's going on.

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Edward blitzed this guy, by avoiding his swift Iaijutsu technique and launching a swift punch to the face

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He always spars with his brother Alphonse even when they were kids. And Alphonse is no slouch either. Alphonse also has bullet timing feats

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At the beginning of the series Scar outright blitzed the Elrics. In a rematch, Edward was more cautious and although just barely, held his own much more efficiently. He did this with mostly skill and prediction however it's still impressive.

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To prove all this is consistent scaling, Scar is also a bullet timer, but way better than Ed and Al. Scar dodges bullets from an experienced and skilled marksman, Riza Hawkeye(who unfortunately wasn't here on the roster :c )

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This same bastard also dodged rifle bullet shots from her, the first one grazed him, he dodged the second one. Riza makes note after this that he's fast specifically because she barely manages to put a scratch on him with the first shot.

Edward got a huge upgrade and eventually surpassed Scar in raw speed. Fighting all of the opponents Scar has faced all of them noted that Edward was faster than him.

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In Scar's case he had to put a lot more effort dodging their attacks and had trouble even tagging the guy Edward is fighting here.

Alchemy

Ed's selling point and greatest tool.

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So basically Ed can tap into the power of the entire periodic table and make almost anything within limits.

Generates giant boulder

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Turns sand into giant hand while underwater, also neat durability feat of him tanking large water blasts.

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Launches a variety of different ranged attacks to keep scar at bay. Again Scar is a bullet timer. And Ed's alchemy was fast enough to block bullets.

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And is even capable of designing perfectly detailed spears from plain earthen ground.

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Makes giant earth fist to KO Father Cornello.

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And finally makes several large earth pillars to travel a distance of hundreds of feet to catch up to Paninya. Here's a good idea of the starting distance.

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CW Damian Dark

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A former league of assassin member, and a former close friend of the man who became Ra's al Ghul, Damian stole from the Lazarus Pit and ran off towards his own path, for a century he has traveled across the land aligning himself with those who served his interests the best, eventually founding GIVE, Dark planned to set the world aflame and start it anew, sort of like the biblical story Noah, but with more murder and death and less religious context. Long story short, he wanted to destroy the world to make himself a god. Untill a certain hooded man with the aid of his friends and the plot, killed him before he could finally continue his reign. Damian has proved himself to easily be one of the most powerful humans in the CW Verse. Having great levels of TK and soul draining abilities.

Abilities

  • Master H2H combatant(trained in the league of assassins and was a match for Oliver Queen AKA The Green Arrow)
  • Weapons Profiency
  • Dark Magic(which includes soul absorption, Telekinesis, teleportation and the like)
  • The more Dark kills, the more powerful he gets. So if one of your guys die, that just helps Dark all the more.

His abilities are straightforward and to the point, nothing complex or deep about them. He can ragdoll his opponents, absorb their life force through touch (he was last seen doing it at a decent range) and can teleport.

Reaction Speed, Physical Strength etc.

Damian is a CW Street Leveler, he doesn't have many feats.

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Scan 1: Smacks Oliver into steel box, then throws him into metal bar, completely overpowering him.

Scan 2: Casually reacts to an Arrow

Scan 3: Outmaneuvers and skillyfull parries White Canary and overpowers her.

Scan 4: Casually reacts to bullets.

Telekinesis

Not only does he have unlimited range, but his Telekinesis is useful against almost anyone, and unless you are majorly superhuman, you are liable to get one shotted or ragdolled.

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Scan 1: Stops an arrow

Scan 2: Pulls an arrow from Oliver's quiver and stabs him with it.

Scan 3: Force Chokes Malcom Merlyn casually.

Scan 4: Ragdolls Oliver

Scan 5: Playfully chokes three peak humans, Oliver, Thea, and Laurel

Teleportation

Usually this is mistaken for speed, which wouldn't be abnormal considering characters who can be argued equal, slower or overall inferior to Darhk like Ra's Al Ghoul has performed FTE feats, but pretty much all of his showings are simply teleportation feats.

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Scan 1: Ends up right behind Thea as she turns around to escape, showing decent teleportation speed

Scan 2: After a quick and brief clash is already gone and escaped.

Scan 3: After being sent flying by an explosive arrow is already up and teleported behind Malcom like nothing happened.

Soul Absorption

Very straight forward ability, Darhk can drain someone with a simple touch, after an amp he can do this from a short range.

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Scan 1: Drains Argus soldier

Scan 2: Drains Oliver

Scan 3: Drains prisoner, and heals wounds and gains power in the process.

Gaara of The Sand

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Gaara (我愛羅) is a shinobi of Sunagakure. He was made the jinchūriki of the One-Tailed Shukaku before he was born, causing the villagers of Suna to fear him as a monster. With nobody to connect to, Gaara grew up hating the world and looking out only for himself, justifying his own existence by killing anyone he came across. After being defeated by Naruto Uzumaki — a jinchūriki like himself who found strength in his friendships — Gaara starts emulating him. He becomes Suna's Fifth Kazekage (五代目風影, Godaime Kazekage, Literally meaning: Fifth Wind Shadow) so that he can protect the village and all those who live there, dispelling the fears he cast on the villagers.

Abilities

I'm not sure If i am allowed full Biiju Mode for Gaara(even though he doesn't have any major feats during part 1 with said form anyway) but i'll confirm that later and for now start off little with what Gaara has done in mostly base and address some of his feats in his partial transformations.

Gaara controls and manipulates sand to great levels, being able to absloutely devastate most enemies with his great flexibility and control of his powers, even agaisnt those generally above him he still shows great competence and combat skills. He is reknown for his absolute defense, almost never getting hit. Throughout his career as a Genin, he never got hit on any of the high-ranking missions he attended

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This is due to nature of his main ability, his sand defends him from attacks regardless of his will.

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As a child his defenses would protect him from assassination attempts he wasn't aware of.

An especially good example is when he broke the record for the Chunin Exam's Forest of Death. It's a 10km distance from the starting point to the tower, filled with enemy teams, poisonous plants, dangerous animals and obstacles, yet he didn't get a single scratch, not even a spot of dirt or debris on his person. His auto-defenses are the real deal.

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Techniques

Sand Coffin & Sand Burial- Casually grips target in sand, and mercilessly crushes them to death.

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Sand Clones- Can create sand clones for various advanced defensive and offensive purposes

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Sand Drizzle- Can rain down several sand like bullets, to overwhelm a target, in his fight against Kimimaro he combined this in conjunction with a grapple attack from below, and a combination leading into a sand coffin and a sand burial.

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Prison Sand Burial- Immediately grabs and proceeds to bury a target 200 meters underground, the pressure and density of the sand making said target unable to move.

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Third Eye- Self-explanatory, but this technique helps in situations where he would be otherwise blind. He can form this eye anywhere to get a bird's eye view as well. For example, to pinpoint your team.

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Armor of Sand- Can create thin layers of sand around his body that protect him from heavy blows.

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Speed/Reactions.

Is capable of the Body Flicker Jutsu

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And again

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  • By using the Body Flicker Technique, a ninja can move short to long distances at an almost untraceable speed. To an observer, it appears as if the user has teleported. It is accomplished by using chakra to temporarily vitalise the body and move at extreme speeds.

Is capable of slipping out of his sand armor during Lee's blitz with the Primary Lotus, and sneak up behind him.

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Was capable of reacting to Lee's attacks with weights on.

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This is impressive because even with weights on Lee is insanely fast. For example, Lee was able to intercept two different attacks from opposite angles at the same time, so Lee slid in, without getting hit, and stopped both of their attacks.

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Sasuke himself is impressive speed wise as well even back then, for example was able to intercept the demon brothers when they were inches away from Sakura. A thing to note is that he was way faster than them in this instance, going FTE while they move in slow motion.

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He also has supersonic+ to hypersonic feats prior to the chunin exams and during the chunin exams(he made no notable improvements in combat speed during the forest of death portion of the chunin exams. ) For example, his fight with Haku, he managed to avoid a point black ice needle attack and moved at great speed, his movements barely being processed

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At base prior to awakening his Sharigan he couldn't even dodge Haku's ultimate technique, the Demonic Ice Crystal Mirrors. A high speed technique where the user moves from mirror to mirror using refraction of light or something like that

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It took some time to adjust to and although just barely, was dodging all of Haku's attacks at the last second to prevent fatal injuries.

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To give you an idea on Haku's speed, here is an exaggerated version for lols, and the actual version.

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And eventually, his sharigan awakened and he was able to react to Haku's attacks, he managed to protect Naruto while severely injured and weakened

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Despite his boost in perception and overall speed, he couldn't even touch Rock Lee with weights on. In fact, he was outright blitzed.

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Gaara's shield had no issues defending against his basic attacks normally, and almost tagged lee a couple of times. With his weights there was a clear difference. Without them he was on another level

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Lee was even blitzing him at speeds where his defenses couldn't register them once he was going all out

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Why am I going to far and even bringing up Gaara getting blitzed by Lee? Because Gaara has improved greatly since the exams. Kimimaro was keeping up with Lee just fine. Lee's moves were simply unpredictable due to his drunken fist.

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Gaara at the point of the Sasuke Retrieval Arc, is at least Lee's superior or equal and if they had a rematch, Gaara would have no issue defending against his attacks.(Admittedly, Gaara himself said that Lee wasn't as fast as he was before, but as you can see in the first scan the difference shouldn't have been huge) Although Lee wasn't in his best condition, his speed was still evident in this fight. Gaara ended up saving him from an attack at point blank range. I want to make note that Gaara was nowhere near Lee and Kimimaro when the latter was about to finish off the former so his speed here is impressive.

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Gaara reacts to bone bullets from Kimimaro

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Does it again while also putting the pressure on Kimimaro.

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I want to make note that Kimi's bone bullets can be argued to be as fast as actual bullets, given the shape and the piercing ability and their density. They are shaped almost exactly as bullets and move with enough speed to pierce Gaara's reinforced sand which is harder than steel.

That should be enough for speed. Sorry for the scaling.

Strength/Raw Power, Durability and Defense

Gaara's a lot tougher than he looks, and with his partial transformations his strength really helps.

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Scan 1: Sends Temari flying with a suckerpunch and drew blood from her while in base.

Scan 2: With his partial transformation punched Sasuke through trees

His power with his sand is pretty good as well, slamming Lee into a wall and cratering it in the process

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His defenses are pretty solid as well, I already showed Gaara blocking attacks from Lee and Lee is powerful enough to casually uproot massive trees

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He's also able to kick large logs apart

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Defends against hail of needles that can pierce 5mm steel

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His armor of sand allowed him to take blows from not only base lee, but Hidden Gates Lee who at this point was moving several times the speed of sound while impacting Gaara with his strikes, said strikes powerful enough to create huge shockwaves.

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That should be good for now. To respect your format, I won't put initial thoughts or a strategy.

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#7 Posted by Mr_Ingenuity (14555 posts) - - Show Bio

@deathhero61:

Opening Strategy

My team will quickly familiarize themselves with a PSI link. This will allow them to go through decades of memories in what amounts to a second, all the while being in midst of battle.

Cable has used PSI links to gain info in a split second.

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Blink & Cable are useful fighters but in this match they'll be mostly used to empower Mimic. With that he'll sacrifice Cyclops' & Beat's power sets replacing them with his team's power sets. While Mimic does only get half of their original power that won't mean much for copying Cable. Cable can only use half his power while keeping the T.O. Virus in check but Mimic won't copy that so no issue there. In the case of Blink Mimic will only have half of Blink teleportation range, but no matter as the battle field is small (No BFR).

Here is where it gets interesting. Blink & Cable should be able to fight one on one with Ed & Damian. But Mimic has their powers on top of being a speedster. Blink would provide her team superior mobility/positioning. Cable would feed his team info while giving them defensive shields. So all the team's strategies can be replicated by Mimic alone.

Mimic flies away searching an entire castle faster than Alt Namor can perceive or move to blitz.

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Essentially Mimic will be going into the battle solo. Make no mistake Blink & Cable won't stand their frozen with not thoughts for their own safety. Blink will still teleport to evade attacks, while Cable will keep them TK shielded & with that the team will be PSI linked.

With that out the way here is what you've been waiting for. Mimic will tele-blitz his opponents undoubtedly. As he'll be anticipating their strategies with telepathy & out preforming them. Now combining Blink's, Cable's & Colossus's powers he should be able on shot anyone without superhuman durability. I specify durability due to the fact that defenses will mean null in a fight against a teleporter. Defenses that are based on reaction time will be bypassed via teleportation & telepathy. Teleportation allows Mimic to by pass defenses or teleport opponents out of their defenses. Telepathy gives Mimic the advantage of knowing when they're least likely to react.

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#8 Posted by DeathHero61 (18480 posts) - - Show Bio

@sirfizzwhizz: I know 20 feet is a very small distance but do we start in sight of each other?

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#9 Posted by SirFizzWhizz (37749 posts) - - Show Bio

@sirfizzwhizz: I know 20 feet is a very small distance but do we start in sight of each other?

I would think you do in this map.

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#11 Posted by DeathHero61 (18480 posts) - - Show Bio

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The problem with your strategy is that it relies too much on teleportation to truly take down my team. First off, nobody here is tagging Gaara based off what you showed me. Like you said Ed/Damien vs Blink/Cable should be a fairly even matchup. While Gaara himself can easily protect not only himself but his teammates rather easily. His defenses cannot be read with telepathy, they are automatic and protect him from attacks way beyond the speed of way you shown. Not only has Gaara attempted to kill himself, his sand has also protected him from point blank explosions back when his chakara reserves and powers were at his lowest and he wasn't even expecting an attack either so its not as if he set his defenses.

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To add, this could have been Gaara's own reactions or his automatic defense(most likely the latter) but when Gaara was getting sent flying by Lee's final blow of his Hidden Lotus technique, he managed to put out sand underneath him in order to heavily cushion the blow. I want to mak note that the final blow sent Gaara hurtling towards the ground at a speed that couldn't be processed by everyone else except the high-level Jonin. I also want to make note literally seconds after the attack, Gaara was still well-defended enough that he could attempt to finish off Lee. This shows that Gaara himself won't be going down to anything less.

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I still don't understand why people believe teleportation is an automatic advantage. Its only really an advantage if both combatants are at an equal level of speed.(or the teleporter is at a higher level of speed overall than their target) Edward is a good deal above bullet timers in his verse, and can arguably be scaled to be close to or equal to characters like Lan Fan who does stuff like this

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Edward probably isn't as fast as Lan Fan, but would be able to fight someone like her without getting blitzed. I think the same would apply here if he can fight someone this fast. Damien Darhk has beaten or fought evenly against Oliver who has fought speedsters.(Oliver can somehow perceive speedsters admittedly this is back when Barry was barely Mach 1 probably less but impressive nonetheless) This same oliver has fought bullet timers and has reacted to grenade launchers shells which can move anywhere between 300 to 600 miles per hour IIRC

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And can dodge arrows at point blank then right after had a quick enough draw to disarm the shooter.Darhk most of the time had the advantage in their fights whether it was H2H or simply overpowering him with his powers.

Blink & Cable are useful fighters but in this match they'll be mostly used to empower Mimic. With that he'll sacrifice Cyclops' & Beat's power sets replacing them with his team's power sets. While Mimic does only get half of their original power that won't mean much for copying Cable. Cable can only use half his power while keeping the T.O. Virus in check but Mimic won't copy that so no issue there. In the case of Blink Mimic will only have half of Blink teleportation range, but no matter as the battle field is small (No BFR).

I recall you mentioning that Mimic gets the weaknesses of certain powers as well, like when he copied Deadpool's healing factor he got his cancer, unless I am mistaken? And in regards to blink he'd have half of her teleportation range and teleportation speed.

Here is where it gets interesting. Blink & Cable should be able to fight one on one with Ed & Damian. But Mimic has their powers on top of being a speedster. Blink would provide her team superior mobility/positioning. Cable would feed his team info while giving them defensive shields. So all the team's strategies can be replicated by Mimic alone.

Mimic flies away searching an entire castle faster than Alt Namor can perceive or move to blitz.

Wasn't this because of another person's power? Is he always this fast? Plus how fast is Namor? He shouldn't be any faster than Thor or standard Iron Man based off my memory.

Essentially Mimic will be going into the battle solo. Make no mistake Blink & Cable won't stand their frozen with not thoughts for their own safety. Blink will still teleport to evade attacks, while Cable will keep them TK shielded & with that the team will be PSI linked.

Going in solo is legit suicide, he still has no way to account for Gaara's automatic defenses, let alone his own raw speed. I haven't even gone over his partial transformations in full, which allowed for a different level of mobility and speed as well and durability and strength.

And can you elaborate on Cable's TK shields?

With that out the way here is what you've been waiting for. Mimic will tele-blitz his opponents undoubtedly. As he'll be anticipating their strategies with telepathy & out preforming them. Now combining Blink's, Cable's & Colossus's powers he should be able on shot anyone without superhuman durability. I specify durability due to the fact that defenses will mean null in a fight against a teleporter. Defenses that are based on reaction time will be bypassed via teleportation & telepathy. Teleportation allows Mimic to by pass defenses or teleport opponents out of their defenses. Telepathy gives Mimic the advantage of knowing when they're least likely to react.

First things first, her teleportation speed is impressive, but i don't see it blitzing anybody, secondly, characters like Gaara with his auto defenses would definitely defend against a blitz. Especially considering Blink isn't completely undetectable when teleporting.

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It would be hard to read the more versatile parts of their movesets though. Edward, isn't as linear and straightforward as Wolverine, despite his skill, Edward also makes good use of his alchemy to make adaptable constructs for almost any situation.

Throws out spikes for offensethen as a flanking maneuver deconstructs his spikes into shrapnel, in order to land a grapple.

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Telepathy won't really help against attacks of this nature for example, this is a constantly transmuated attack, you may be able to read that Ed is going to be throwing out an attack of this nature, but it'd be harder to read the trajectory and speed of each of those fists.

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This is a constantly transmuated attack, you may be able to read that Ed is going to be throwing out an attack of this nature, but it'd be harder to read the trajectory and speed of each of those fists as they are moving. Especially if Ed was curving them around and changing their direction overall.

Strategy

There isn't much of a strategy, Ed can make reinforced constructs from Gaara's sand, while Gaara with his level of defense and speed can tag fast opponents and overwhelm them too. And reading his mind won't help against a large scale attack like what he did here, considering the size of the battlefield this is incredibly dangerous for your team despite their mobility, and since we start off right in front of each other, we can go all out and toss out large-scale attacks right off the bat. Damien can quickly hold your in place while Ed and Gaara go for the kill. Considering the scale of Gaara's attacks, they should swamp the entire battlefield, giving Gaara full control. Correct me If I am wrong,

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And there shouldn't be any issues regarding his TK strength either. Its solid and good enough for a distraction.

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Stops a full speed armor-plated mack truck with one hand.

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My personal favorite is when he stops a point blank explosion than compresses and converts it to nothing.

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Damien can also go for soul absorption as well. He is now able to do it from a range as long as he knows where his targets are. IIRC this instance was when he sent a missle to blow up a city, and Felicity redirected it to Havenrock. Darhkasborbed all their souls and gained power from it. However it can be argued that he did this with prep via his totem. But even then a quick teleport then grab should be just as effective. His teleporting speed is perfect for combat.

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skip to around 1:20 and watch till 1:50. He was shot by a tranq and Darhk teleported right then and there and neither Ollie or Digg noticed it. Another example was the one I showed earlier of him and Thea. Thea was walking down a decently lit hallway and suddenly appeared in front of Thea she tried to turn her head and Darhk was already there.

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And if Darhk is among the last men standing, he can asborb the souls of those who are pretty much breathing their last breaths

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And I haven't even gotten into the full scope of Shukaku which should have enough power to get through Cable's defenses while defending my team.

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#12 Edited by Mr_Ingenuity (14555 posts) - - Show Bio

@deathhero61:

Rebuttal I

I think some points in your post you forgot my post was arguing Mimic's staked powerset to solo.

The problem with your strategy is that it relies too much on teleportation to truly take down my team. First off, nobody here is tagging Gaara based off what you showed me.

I think you putting too much emphasis on Gaara. First off Mimic controls his speed to the point he can be just under the speed of sound or half the speed of light. So by reading Gaara's mind Mimic will know what Gaara's sand can & can't react to. Stack that with teleportation and Gaara is out matched.

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Like you said Ed/Damien vs Blink/Cable should be a fairly even matchup. While Gaara himself can easily protect not only himself but his teammates rather easily. His defenses cannot be read with telepathy, they are automatic and protect him from attacks way beyond the speed of way you shown. Not only has Gaara attempted to kill himself, his sand has also protected him from point blank explosions back when his chakara reserves and powers were at his lowest and he wasn't even expecting an attack either so its not as if he set his defenses.

To add, this could have been Gaara's own reactions or his automatic defense(most likely the latter) but when Gaara was getting sent flying by Lee's final blow of his Hidden Lotus technique, he managed to put out sand underneath him in order to heavily cushion the blow. I want to mak note that the final blow sent Gaara hurtling towards the ground at a speed that couldn't be processed by everyone else except the high-level Jonin. I also want to make note literally seconds after the attack, Gaara was still well-defended enough that he could attempt to finish off Lee. This shows that Gaara himself won't be going down to anything less.

Gaara protecting his team will take a conscious effort to an attack he's not aware of or has the reaction to combat. I think you're forgetting Gaara's defensive limits, so I'll go into them.

Sasuke having mastered a weightless Lee speed was blitzing Gaara. With that sand armor take a lot of chakra to maintain.

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Now the only difference between weightless Lee & Sasuke is the Sharingan.

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But that's not all because Gaara's sand can't even keep up with 4th gate Lee there isn't any way it's reacting to teleportation.

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Definitely is said teleportation takes Gaara away from his sand. I've shown Blink teleporting characters with just proximity.

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I still don't understand why people believe teleportation is an automatic advantage. Its only really an advantage if both combatants are at an equal level of speed.(or the teleporter is at a higher level of speed overall than their target) Edward is a good deal above bullet timers in his verse, and can arguably be scaled to be close to or equal to characters like Lan Fan who does stuff like this.

Edward probably isn't as fast as Lan Fan, but would be able to fight someone like her without getting blitzed. I think the same would apply here if he can fight someone this fast.

Ed won't be fighting blink since Mimic can do everything she can but faster. Also Ed at best is a bullet timer in reaction, Lan Fan faster than sight speed is based on her training for the most part. But Lan Fan training meant little when facing Wrath & who has blitzed every character.

Damien Darhk has beaten or fought evenly against Oliver who has fought speedsters.(Oliver can somehow perceive speedsters admittedly this is back when Barry was barely Mach 1 probably less but impressive nonetheless) This same oliver has fought bullet timers and has reacted to grenade launchers shells which can move anywhere between 300 to 600 miles per hour IIRC

I'm not even going to get into the Arrowverse scaling/inconsistencies. Admittedly I haven't watch the show but nothing seems out of the norm for street level PIS. But you're forgetting Mimic isn't just a speedster, Mimic is a mind reading, teleporting, speedster.

I recall you mentioning that Mimic gets the weaknesses of certain powers as well, like when he copied Deadpool's healing factor he got his cancer, unless I am mistaken? And in regards to blink he'd have half of her teleportation range and teleportation speed.

Mimic would still have the same vulnerabilities of the power set he copied not weaknesses. The only reason Mimic gets cancer is due to the fact Deadpool's healing factor of that verse is cancer (uncontrolled cell growth). About the teleportation limit it's been shown that the teleportation speed isn't affected when an Alt Mimic copied Blink surprising her.

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Also why would the speed be affected if it's the same teleportation? Teleportation defies physics to begin with so how would you quantify slower since speed can't be calculated?

Wasn't this because of another person's power? Is he always this fast? Plus how fast is Namor? He shouldn't be any faster than Thor or standard Iron Man based off my memory.

Mimic's speed is from Northstar which he has half of. Depends of the writing when facing a speedster he's much faster. I don't thin Namor is relevant of then he's superhuman.

Just to further cement the speed advantage Mimic out preformed AoA Quicksilver. AoA Quicksilver is fast enough to go miles in seconds as the feat states. Even if we limit that to 2 miles in 2 seconds that's still shy of mach 5.

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Going in solo is legit suicide, he still has no way to account for Gaara's automatic defenses, let alone his own raw speed. I haven't even gone over his partial transformations in full, which allowed for a different level of mobility and speed as well and durability and strength.

And can you elaborate on Cable's TK shields?

Mimic has a healing factor courtesy of wolverine & TK shields when needed. But there isn't any reason to argue how much punishment Mimic can take. Mimic can read Gaara's memories so he'll know about Gaara's previous fights, allowing Mimic to capitalize on Gaara's previous failings.

What do you want me to explain specifically?

First things first, her teleportation speed is impressive, but i don't see it blitzing anybody, secondly, characters like Gaara with his auto defenses would definitely defend against a blitz. Especially considering Blink isn't completely undetectable when teleporting.

I doubt your team has enhanced senses to notice a shift in the electromagnetic field or feel minor shifts in the air.

It would be hard to read the more versatile parts of their movesets though. Edward, isn't as linear and straightforward as Wolverine, despite his skill, Edward also makes good use of his alchemy to make adaptable constructs for almost any situation.

Throws out spikes for offensethen as a flanking maneuver deconstructs his spikes into shrapnel, in order to land a grapple.

Telepathy won't really help against attacks of this nature for example, this is a constantly transmuated attack, you may be able to read that Ed is going to be throwing out an attack of this nature, but it'd be harder to read the trajectory and speed of each of those fists.

This is a constantly transmuated attack, you may be able to read that Ed is going to be throwing out an attack of this nature, but it'd be harder to read the trajectory and speed of each of those fists as they are moving. Especially if Ed was curving them around and changing their direction overall.

Mimic doesn't need to read Ed's mind to dodge slow projectiles Mimic is a teleporting speedster. The fact that Ed will think to do so is forewarning enough.

I'm not sure if I should respond to your strategy there isn't anything in their I haven't shown my team can't already get around.

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#13 Edited by DeathHero61 (18480 posts) - - Show Bio

@sirfizzwhizz: I just want to confirm, are there any limitations on Gaara's powers such as the Shukaku? The shukaku gives him more raw power and size but going strictly on Part 1 feats, its definitely not over the limits nor broken either(For example going based off feats alone Any of the other 5-8 pointers could put up a fight or stomp Gaara with Part 1 feats)

Edit: If I have to prove this I can send you a PM with details and scans.

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#14 Posted by Mr_Ingenuity (14555 posts) - - Show Bio

@sirfizzwhizz: @deathhero61: Is this going to continue? If it helps to move things along I'm fine with the Shukaku with part one feats.

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#15 Posted by DeathHero61 (18480 posts) - - Show Bio

@mr_ingenuity: I was going to use it anyway since he was taking awhile, sorry, i'm getting caught up in multiple CAVs at once right now, I am working on my reply as we speak, expect it tonight or tomorrow.

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#16 Edited by DeathHero61 (18480 posts) - - Show Bio

@mr_ingenuity:You say I put too much emphasis on Gaara yet you have Mimic soloing my team in your strategy?

Round 2

I think you putting too much emphasis on Gaara. First off Mimic controls his speed to the point he can be just under the speed of sound or half the speed of light. So by reading Gaara's mind Mimic will know what Gaara's sand can & can't react to. Stack that with teleportation and Gaara is out matched.

Not really, he's the strongest fighter on my team and I can make a solid argument for him being above your team in almost every necessary category. And I have so many questions right now regarding Mimic and the rest of your characters.

1. Who did he copy that superspeed from and does he always have it?

2. Can he consistently move at this speed? And if he can what's his acceleration speed?(Basically would he be moving at this speed instantly like someone like Flash or Quicksilver would be able to?)

3. If he can move at half the speed of light he is 40K times the speed of sound, Genos and Vergil are massively hypersonic combatants, but they are nowhere near that speed and they are both 8 pointers. Dracula, Vader, Mera and the like are nowhere near that fast either. How is a 1 pointer that can move at half the speed of light legal for this tourney? With the powers he already carries he would be able to solo the tourney through blitzing. Also according to the wiki's Light Speed was only theoretically possible for Northstar himself,(he didn't even bother trying to use it since there would be risk that he'd damage the environment) so is Mimic using such speeds even possible let alone consistent?

4. As for reading minds, is there any showings of Cable or Mimic using TP to delve that deep into someone's memories just to know the limitations of an ability? What would he be reading? All he would see is someone moving fast enough to bypass his shields, there's no way reading his memory would tell him the EXACT speed he needs to bypass his defenses. And if Gaara is pushed into his further states, having a speed advantage won't mean much. Also how fast can Mimic or Cable read the entire mind of Gaara?

Time to respond to your analysis on Gaara's apparent limitations

TBH this seems like lowballing considering I already addressed the way Gaara scaled and how much he improved

Gaara protecting his team will take a conscious effort to an attack he's not aware of or has the reaction to combat. I think you're forgetting Gaara's defensive limits, so I'll go into them.

Sasuke having mastered a weightless Lee speed was blitzing Gaara. With that sand armor take a lot of chakra to maintain.

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Now the only difference between weightless Lee & Sasuke is the Sharingan.

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But that's not all because Gaara's sand can't even keep up with 4th gate Lee there isn't any way it's reacting to teleportation.

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Definitely is said teleportation takes Gaara away from his sand. I've shown Blink teleporting characters with just proximity.

Literally none of this matters because Lee with weights blitzed Sasuke who managed to react several times to Haku's Demonic Ice Crystal Mirror and quite frankly that level of speed is beyond what you shown. I'll show the scans again.

At base prior to awakening his Sharigan he couldn't even dodge Haku's ultimate technique, the Demonic Ice Crystal Mirrors. A high speed technique where the user moves from mirror to mirror using the refraction of light.

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It took some time to adjust to and although just barely, was dodging all of Haku's attacks at the last second to prevent fatal injuries.

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To give you an idea on Haku's speed, here is an exaggerated version for lols, and the actual version. If you look closely you can see the water in the air being unmoved, and only altered when Haku interacts with it, so its frozen in midair, not only that Naruto's clones were all blitzed before they could even touch the ground, Sasuke got similar treatment and he had FTE feats.

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And eventually, his sharigan awakened and he was able to react to Haku's attacks, he managed to protect Naruto while severely injured and weakened

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Despite his boost in perception and overall speed, he couldn't even touch Rock Lee with weights on. In fact, he was outright blitzed.

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And the crazy thing about what you are claiming is that Gaara in base wasn't helpless, he managed to get a trade with Sasuke when he attempted a full on bullrush on two occasions in the same fight.

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He does it again when Sasuke attempts to blitz with his Chidori, that was a fullspeed bullrush no questions asked, you can clearly see him perceive Sasuke's attack and acts as he's moving, Sasuke's attack was simply faster in this case, and Gaara was charging a technique while he was doing this.

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And when he started to transform sasuke barely dodged his attacks and he even noted that Gaara was getting faster

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Here he specifically states that his speed is useless and that Sharingan is the only reason why he's capable of even dodging. Showing that Gaara has longed surpassed that level of speed.

And like i showed Gaara was capable of blocking several point blank attacks from Kimimaro that were aimed for Lee. He literaly stopped attacks that were inches from Lee's face during their fight.

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Gaara even saved himself and Lee from a last ditch effort offense from Kimimaro

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And speed will barely matter once Gaara goes full Biiju.

And taking Gaara away from sand won't really do anything.....the entire battlefield can be used for his advantage...... his fight with Kimimaro is proof of this.

Ed won't be fighting blink since Mimic can do everything she can but faster. Also Ed at best is a bullet timer in reaction, Lan Fan faster than sight speed is based on her training for the most part. But Lan Fan training meant little when facing Wrath & who has blitzed every character.

What does wrath have to do with my point? Edward wasn't getting blitzed by Lan Fan and only lost or went even with her from a technical standpoint, meaning she used skill to take him on. Lan Fan was definitely faster than Ed, but not enough to blitz.

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And what is the rest of your team doing? Picking daisys? Because Mimic isn't soloing Damien Darhk, Edward and Gaara when they would all be jumping Mimic the instant he gets in range. Heck, he won't have that much time to blitz to begin with since the starting distance is 20 feet and the teams are within sight. I have another question regarding Mimic that I am not sure I asked, how long does it take for Mimic to copy an ability consistently?

I'm not even going to get into the Arrowverse scaling/inconsistencies. Admittedly I haven't watch the show but nothing seems out of the norm for street level PIS. But you're forgetting Mimic isn't just a speedster, Mimic is a mind reading, teleporting, speedster.

If you watched the show, you'd realize that nothing Oliver or any of the villians or top tier street levelers in the arrowverse performed feats that would never be done in real life. Such as reacting to arrows and sidestepping them without even looking, shooting arrows out of the air in close range, heck I don't think a human being is actually capable of catching an arrow let alone reacting to a grenade launcher shot at mid-range and have the draw speed to pull out an arrow and shoot the grenade out of mid-air.....None of the top tier street levelers are supposed to be realistic. I mean some of these characters have FTE feats.... that throws realism out of the window. You're looking into it too much.

Mimic would still have the same vulnerabilities of the power set he copied not weaknesses. The only reason Mimic gets cancer is due to the fact Deadpool's healing factor of that verse is cancer (uncontrolled cell growth). About the teleportation limit it's been shown that the teleportation speed isn't affected when an Alt Mimic copied Blink surprising her.

Is that the only example you have?

Also why would the speed be affected if it's the same teleportation? Teleportation defies physics to begin with so how would you quantify slower since speed can't be calculated?

Silly defense, why would Mimic only have half the speed of northstar or half the power of Cable's TK? In the case of blink I would argue that he doesn't have the same efficiency to perform rapid fire teleportation like Blink does.

Mimic's speed is from Northstar which he has half of. Depends on the writing when facing a speedster he's much faster. I don't think Namor is relevant of then he's superhuman.

Just to further cement the speed advantage Mimic out preformed AoA Quicksilver. AoA Quicksilver is fast enough to go miles in seconds as the feat states. Even if we limit that to 2 miles in 2 seconds that's still shy of mach 5.

So he can move at half of lightspeed when actual lightspeed is but a theory for the person he copied it from?

Mach 5 isn't impressive even by Naruto standards. Sasuke reacting to Haku's attacks is way above that for sure.

Mimic has a healing factor courtesy of wolverine & TK shields when needed. But there isn't any reason to argue how much punishment Mimic can take. Mimic can read Gaara's memories so he'll know about Gaara's previous fights, allowing Mimic to capitalize on Gaara's previous failings.

What do you want me to explain specifically?

The only fights he lost were due to simple things, outspeeding him, and somehow overpowering him. He doesn't really have a specific weakness that stands out unless you are just outright superior to him.

Nevermind, forget I asked. Anyway, If Gaara' is fighting at full power, this starts to become a different fight altogether, the mass he will be packing and the amount of strength he has will be on another level worthy of being a 5 pointer. For example, here he trades blows with Gamabunta,

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Also although Gaara has the option of doing it himself, he can also allow Shukaku to take partial control and do different and more dangerous techniques. These attacks have a lot of raw power and a lot of AOE, and Gaara can do these in rapid succession as well. So on top of all his stats increasing as he further transforms, he has a lot more raw power. It took someone as big and tough as Gambunta to rip off his limbs or deal damage.

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So on top of being able to manipulate the entire battlefield, Gaara has all this power to throw around and AOE attacks. Having a speed advantage against such a large and powerful force would be meaningless.

I doubt your team has enhanced senses to notice a shift in the electromagnetic field or feel minor shifts in the air.

Gaara beat Dosu who uses precise soundwaves to destroy opponents. To give you an idea,here's some scans featuring Lee's fight against Rock Lee. These are mostly highlights. Lee despite being faster than sound, could not avoid an actual invisible sound wave coming at him.

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Dosu can control the soundwaves precisely enough to direct them directly to one's ear without affecting everyone else, while at the same time focusing the potency all in one place.

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Despite having techniques like these, Gaara destroyed him.

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Mimic doesn't need to read Ed's mind to dodge slow projectiles Mimic is a teleporting speedster. The fact that Ed will think to do so is forewarning enough.

I'm not sure if I should respond to your strategy there isn't anything in their I haven't shown my team can't already get around.

Far from slow TBH, being able to pull up an alchemy construct fast enough to protect against minigun fire should give you a good idea on how fast Ed can throw out attacks.

I don't even know how to respond to your posts anymore considering most of it consistent of Mimic soloing. I'm not even sure what feats I should be posting or what the topic of discussion is, I am spending more time trying to understand your characters then actually countering anything. And the only thing you really did with your post was further emphasis on Mimic's speed, while not giving much background on the limitations on your team's abilities. We're both at our second posts, hopefully we can get all potential points and arguments across before voting comes around.

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#17 Posted by Mr_Ingenuity (14555 posts) - - Show Bio

@deathhero61:

Rebuttal I

You say I put too much emphasis on Gaara yet you have Mimic soloing my team in your strategy?

It isn't the same. Mimic is has team's powerset on top of his own, so by virtue I'm going to argue him as my team on steroids. Gaara is only one member with one specific powerset. If he is taken out what is your team left with? If he's more powerful then the rest of your team they won't fair well without him.

Not really, he's the strongest fighter on my team and I can make a solid argument for him being above your team in almost every necessary category. And I have so many questions right now regarding Mimic and the rest of your characters.

But yet you haven't made an argument for Gaara being above Cable in any category. So why the claim?

1. Who did he copy that superspeed from and does he always have it?

This is an easy one that you already have the answer to.

2. Can he consistently move at this speed? And if he can what's his acceleration speed?(Basically would he be moving at this speed instantly like someone like Flash or Quicksilver would be able to?)

Mimic has the same limitations North Star would have. So to your question can Mimic maintain his speed, the answer is yes. Mimic can accelerate to hypersonic speed quite easily. Mimic went from standing near Blink to flying next to AoA Quicksilver surprising him. I think that's more than enough to put Mimic's combat speed above Gaara's sand.

3. If he can move at half the speed of light he is 40K times the speed of sound, Genos and Vergil are massively hypersonic combatants, but they are nowhere near that speed and they are both 8 pointers. Dracula, Vader, Mera and the like are nowhere near that fast either. How is a 1 pointer that can move at half the speed of light legal for this tourney? With the powers he already carries he would be able to solo the tourney through blitzing. Also according to the wiki's Light Speed was only theoretically possible for Northstar himself,(he didn't even bother trying to use it since there would be risk that he'd damage the environment) so is Mimic using such speeds even possible let alone consistent?

I want to shift the focus off have the speed of light as whatever the speed cap for this tourney is Mimic already meets it. With that I only brought that up for you to grasp Mimic's top speed but he doesn't even need to be faster than lightning to blitz Gaara. So how speed affects the environment is irrelevant.

4. As for reading minds, is there any showings of Cable or Mimic using TP to delve that deep into someone's memories just to know the limitations of an ability? What would he be reading? All he would see is someone moving fast enough to bypass his shields, there's no way reading his memory would tell him the EXACT speed he needs to bypass his defenses. And if Gaara is pushed into his further states, having a speed advantage won't mean much. Also how fast can Mimic or Cable read the entire mind of Gaara?

Cable has used telepathy to control Magneto's brain to in-turn simulate Xavier's lost telepathy. Considering Cable has to take over Magneto's power an into account how Xavier's powers work says a lot about how adapt his telepathy is. Reading minds to understand the limitations of power is child's play at this point.

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Time to respond to your analysis on Gaara's apparent limitations

TBH this seems like lowballing considering I already addressed the way Gaara scaled and how much he improved

Your using that terms loosely and you're only using it because you're missing obvious context.

Literally none of this matters because Lee with weights blitzed Sasuke who managed to react several times to Haku's Demonic Ice Crystal Mirror and quite frankly that level of speed is beyond what you shown. I'll show the scans again.

Yes it does matter if you pay attention to the context. Lee stated to Sasuke even if you can see it your body isn't fast enough to react due to Sasuke's lack of training in Taijutsu.

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So Kakashi in one month trained Sasuke in Taijutsu making him comparable if not equal to Lee.

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And the crazy thing about what you are claiming is that Gaara in base wasn't helpless, he managed to get a trade with Sasuke when he attempted a full on bullrush on two occasions in the same fight.

He does it again when Sasuke attempts to blitz with his Chidori, that was a fullspeed bullrush no questions asked, you can clearly see him perceive Sasuke's attack and acts as he's moving, Sasuke's attack was simply faster in this case, and Gaara was charging a technique while he was doing this.

That doesn't change the fact before Gaara enclosed himself in sand he was blitzed by Sasuke.

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Also a bull rush is entirely different from a speed-blitz when it come to forum terms. All Gaara needs to know where Sasuke will be ahead of time to let Sasuke impel himself. That is if he lacked the means to see where he's going & adjust. Lee stated he couldn't pull that but Sasuke can because of the Sharingan.

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And when he started to transform sasuke barely dodged his attacks and he even noted that Gaara was getting faster

Here he specifically states that his speed is useless and that Sharingan is the only reason why he's capable of even dodging. Showing that Gaara has longed surpassed that level of speed.

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Gaara was faster than Sasuke after he transformed but does that change the fact Lee blitzed him with gates. I don't think it does.

And like i showed Gaara was capable of blocking several point blank attacks from Kimimaro that were aimed for Lee. He literaly stopped attacks that were inches from Lee's face during their fight.

Gaara even saved himself and Lee from a last ditch effort offense from Kimimaro

And speed will barely matter once Gaara goes full Biiju.

How does this prove Gaara can react to teleportation? When distance isn't even a factor, Mimic can teleport his fist and all its momentum onto Gaara's face.

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And taking Gaara away from sand won't really do anything.....the entire battlefield can be used for his advantage...... his fight with Kimimaro is proof of this.

The fact that Gaara's sand can't out speed teleportation to protect him will take away any advantage you could surmise.

What does wrath have to do with my point? Edward wasn't getting blitzed by Lan Fan and only lost or went even with her from a technical standpoint, meaning she used skill to take him on. Lan Fan was definitely faster than Ed, but not enough to blitz.

You've stated Ed was "a good deal above bullet timers in his verse." But the only character that would be true for is Wrath, who has blitzed most characters in the verse. Anyway Lan Fan isn't exactly a bullet timer we assume she's just as fast as Ed. But stating she's a bullet timer to go on and state Ed is faster than her is bad scaling.

And what is the rest of your team doing? Picking daisys? Because Mimic isn't soloing Damien Darhk, Edward and Gaara when they would all be jumping Mimic the instant he gets in range. Heck, he won't have that much time to blitz to begin with since the starting distance is 20 feet and the teams are within sight. I have another question regarding Mimic that I am not sure I asked, how long does it take for Mimic to copy an ability consistently?

Blink & Cable are waiting for their chance to join in. Since my team has a telepathic link everything Blink or Cable would think to do Mimic will do with faster reflexes. Other than that they could only get in Mimic's way. However if you're sure one of your characters can 1 vs 1 Mimic I invite you to do so. Clearly Blink & Cable won't hesitate to defend themselves or serve as a distraction for Mimic.

Mimic copied Deadpool the moment he walked into the room & The Phoenix while in free fall before angel wings completely disappeared (scans above).

If you watched the show, you'd realize that nothing Oliver or any of the villians or top tier street levelers in the arrowverse performed feats that would never be done in real life. Such as reacting to arrows and sidestepping them without even looking, shooting arrows out of the air in close range, heck I don't think a human being is actually capable of catching an arrow let alone reacting to a grenade launcher shot at mid-range and have the draw speed to pull out an arrow and shoot the grenade out of mid-air.....None of the top tier street levelers are supposed to be realistic. I mean some of these characters have FTE feats.... that throws realism out of the window. You're looking into it too much.

I think you're implying to much into my opinion of street level PIS. I'm basing street level PIS off comic book standards nothing less. Captain America sees bullets in flight but I wouldn't argue he can match supersonic characters in hand to hand. Spiderman reacts to a sniper bullet moving over mach 2 but even gets speed blitzed by Speed Demon. Speed Demon average feats are supersonic.

But Arrow is supposed to be impressive because he can perceive Flash moving at top speed to land a shot, with an arrow to be precise. I haven't even watched the show and I'm sure more often than not someone dodge Arrow's shots.

So he can move at half of lightspeed when actual lightspeed is but a theory for the person he copied it from?

Mach 5 isn't impressive even by Naruto standards. Sasuke reacting to Haku's attacks is way above that for sure.

You're still focused on half the speed of light? Lets state Mimic move at mach 30 to combat your team. Could Gaara react to mach 30 speed blitz by Mimic.

Also how are you equating Haku as above mach 5? Maybe you have an argument for 4th Gate Lee. But Haku speed is based on a drop of water falling.

Is that the only example you have?

Silly defense, why would Mimic only have half the speed of northstar or half the power of Cable's TK? In the case of blink I would argue that he doesn't have the same efficiency to perform rapid fire teleportation like Blink does.

Why isn't that enough we aren't talking about the main universe characters. The Alt Mimic is the has the exact same power as Exiles Mimic to the point they're history traces back to one choice. When Xavier invited them to be X-Men.

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Also Blinks powers have nothing to do with speed it's teleportation as I've stated. Here is a scan to make this clear. Blinks only limitation is distance.

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Stating something is silly when you obviously don't fully understand won't help you cope any better.

Also although Gaara has the option of doing it himself, he can also allow Shukaku to take partial control and do different and more dangerous techniques. These attacks have a lot of raw power and a lot of AOE, and Gaara can do these in rapid succession as well. So on top of all his stats increasing as he further transforms, he has a lot more raw power. It took someone as big and tough as Gambunta to rip off his limbs or deal damage.

So on top of being able to manipulate the entire battlefield, Gaara has all this power to throw around and AOE attacks. Having a speed advantage against such a large and powerful force would be meaningless.

So make you character a bigger target for teleportation fine with me. Lets assume Gaara gets to this point before Mimic KO's him. Mimic teleports the Shukaku head off with Blink's selective teleportation.

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Also since Gaara is the Shukaku's weak point a TK attack on Gaara would put him out of the fight. Mimic doesn't even half to kill Gaara with said attack just injure him to the point of incapacitation.

Cable kills his close friend Irene to stop the alien possessing her from doing so. The point is in the heat of the moment Gaara is no better off than Irene.

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Remember everything my team can think to do Mimic will do with faster reflexes.

Despite having techniques like these, Gaara destroyed him.

Gaara bodied him off panel with that Dosu was too afraid to even attack. Gaara was also blitzed by Sasuke so that doesn't bode well for Gaara or his sand react to teleportation.

Far from slow TBH, being able to pull up an alchemy construct fast enough to protect against minigun fire should give you a good idea on how fast Ed can throw out attacks.

When we start discussing hypersonic speeds bullet timing in all its glory becomes irrelevant. Ed won't last a second against Mimic plain and simple.

I don't even know how to respond to your posts anymore considering most of it consistent of Mimic soloing. I'm not even sure what feats I should be posting or what the topic of discussion is, I am spending more time trying to understand your characters then actually countering anything. And the only thing you really did with your post was further emphasis on Mimic's speed, while not giving much background on the limitations on your team's abilities. We're both at our second posts, hopefully we can get all potential points and arguments across before voting comes around.

I mean what do you want to discuss the durability of your team's constructs? Why focus on that when my team can teleport or uses TK to get past it. How your team hand to hand skill? Seems pretty one sided when my Mimic has telepathy. Would you want to debate a raw power? If that's the case I'll start posting high end feats.

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#19 Posted by DeathHero61 (18480 posts) - - Show Bio

@sirfizzwhizz: What happened to your obscure character tourney? And the Corporate Tourney? Did the latter get into round 2?