Michael Demiurgos vs Classic Beyonder

who wins

Oh boy, Michael wins.

Beyonder for the curbstomp. Pre retcon Beyonder was literally TOAA level. As in rough equals with the presence, who is easily Mikey boy’s superior.

Beyonder

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Michael was already shown to surpass an non-physical multiversal space, so Beyonder's nature isn't an argument here.

Let's look at it featwise:

Destroying multiverse (Michael Demiurgos)>>>>>>>>>>Shaking multiverse (Beyonder)

Sorry, but Michael Demiurgos takes this. It was even implied that he transcends the overvoid, which corresponds to Beyonder's non-physical multiverse nature. Plus he's surperior destruction feats.

@mrmind Hope my anser helps you!

Beyonder.

I only mentioned ''destroying an infinite-dimensional multiverse'', since it's enough to beat the Beyonder featwise. I didn't need to go much further in detail.

My bad. I'm gonna start keeping my assists to myself.

But I will read that up, definetly.

Michael

*Sigh* Micheal.

Beyonder obviously wins

@yasindermann: The Beyonder obviously.

@johnsmjs36: What do you mean by that?

@yasindermann: If we take what Marvel fans mean by " Toaa before Toaa" or something along the line of before Genesis. I don't know what it means. Obviously Michaels stomps but we should also see from a Marvel fans perspective. This has been done before. Michael should beat Beyonder. He has shown better feat and more raw power in his death than Beyonder has shown in entire run

No, if it's factually wrong, we shouldn't. One said in one random debate earth is flat, should we view it from his perspective, even if this statement is impossible and wrong by definition? But anyway, Michael stomps.

@yasindermann: Actually, Lucifer had his own Multiverse with eldritch beings, fantasy creatures and its own history. He was all powerful there with seemingly no limits to his powers. Beyonder was a sentient universe that had nothing. No life and possibly no celestial bodies. His omnipotence in his own realm is questionable. Multi Eternity is more complex and possibly more powerful than the entire Beyond realm.

Micheal

Michael Demiurgos wins.

Michael can only "win" by dropping all of his energy on Beyonder, which would also kill himself leading to a Stalemate.

That said, I also don't believe Beyonder would be able to harm Michael, without sacrificing the entire Multiverse in a single attack. Of course, its debatable if he can even do that, but In my opinion, he can, and he wasn't really taking the fight with MM 100% Seriously (He was Trying ofc, but he was also testing himself).

I say 50/50, Stalemate, ect.

Lucifer stomps though, due to the nature of his powers.

Lucifer stomps every single fictional being that has ever been written.

@darkhunter89: Are you... Presence slaughters Lucy... so does TOAA. Pre Retcon Beyonder and Molecule Man are at TOAA’s level.

No man, look Lucifer is casually super-infinite dimensional. He's infinitely above infinity dude, he can win against everything.

i'm kidding btw

I miss the times when Beyonder was considered as the strongest fictional character of all time, I hated myself for ever arguing for it

Michael takes this

@crackshotboi: Nope!

Beyonder stomps

Beyonder owns him pertty bad.

Michael or Lucifer stand no chance really.

All angels wankers got is they technically got the superior feat. Which is pertty much there full power being shown. Sadly for them when it comes to beyonder scaling via other characters is needed to show how powerful he was esp. since he never really showed his full powers/abilities.

Eternity/Entrophy for example have feats equal to the angels best and they are nothing to beyonder. Even combining all the multiversal abstracts plus LT where nothing to him. To think the brother angels have this level of power is utterly and totally false and the imaginations of fanboyism at it's finest!

Carry on

Michael

My boi Michael wins

Stop downplaying Michael all the time every CV thread I've seen about Michael he's always much downplayed from where he actually stands

@haxxxz: Hear hear! Michael Demiurgos is 2nd to the Presence and was described as the “Spark that expands forever. Ocean of Power with no Shore” by the capital G himself. Transcending Creation and maintained every multiverse, every atom of existence, every moment by his sheer will. His Dunamis Demiurgos power is needed when you want to create.....well a new Creation.

The Beyonder doesn't even come close. Him being named infinite-dimensional while Michael transcends the concept of dimensions and logic. Also the Beyonder is just too damn gullible for me to take him seriously even with his impressive raw multiversal power.

Demiurgos accidentally oneshots

I'm gonna be honest I've seen a respect thread for Lucifer but he didn't seem all that powerful in comparison to the beyonder. Anyone got a place I can read up on him and his powers?

Beyonder no diff

Michael neg diff

Sure <3

Michael > all fiction.

Michael is love, Michael is life !

OT: Beyonder still stomps.

Michael lolstomps.

Same, Beyonder just impressed me more with feats I've seen from both.

The day Muchael has the feats to keep-up maybe... For now... I vote Beyonder.