Michael Demiurgos vs Classic Beyonder

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#1 Posted by MrMind (72 posts) - - Show Bio

who wins

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#2 Posted by Soratoumiga (5483 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh boy, Michael wins.

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#3 Posted by IdrisianGraecus (430 posts) - - Show Bio

Beyonder for the curbstomp. Pre retcon Beyonder was literally TOAA level. As in rough equals with the presence, who is easily Mikey boy’s superior.

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#4 Posted by eri123 (7241 posts) - - Show Bio

Beyonder

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#6 Edited by Yasindermann (2312 posts) - - Show Bio

Michael was already shown to surpass an non-physical multiversal space, so Beyonder's nature isn't an argument here.

Let's look at it featwise:

Destroying multiverse (Michael Demiurgos)>>>>>>>>>>Shaking multiverse (Beyonder)

Sorry, but Michael Demiurgos takes this. It was even implied that he transcends the overvoid, which corresponds to Beyonder's non-physical multiverse nature. Plus he's surperior destruction feats.

@mrmind Hope my anser helps you!

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#7 Posted by Rijehu (2149 posts) - - Show Bio

Michael was already shown to surpass an non-physical multiversal space, so Beyonder's nature isn't an argument here.

Let's look at it featwise:

Destroying multiverse (Michael Demiurgos)>>>>>>>>>>Shaking multiverse (Beyonder)

Restoring EVERY ATOM in the ENTIRE MULTIVERSE each MOMENT, all the way down to concepts such as emotions and Logic, also counts towards this victory. That there's a multi-multiversal feat and only gets more impressive the further you read.

Sorry, but Michael Demiurgos takes this. It was even implied that he transcends the overvoid, which corresponds to Beyonder's non-physical multiverse nature. Plus he's surperior destruction feats.

@mrmind Hope my anser helps you!

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#8 Edited by Chad_Duby (6047 posts) - - Show Bio

Beyonder.

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#9 Posted by Yasindermann (2312 posts) - - Show Bio

@rijehu said:
@yasindermann said:

Michael was already shown to surpass an non-physical multiversal space, so Beyonder's nature isn't an argument here.

Let's look at it featwise:

Destroying multiverse (Michael Demiurgos)>>>>>>>>>>Shaking multiverse (Beyonder)

Restoring EVERY ATOM in the ENTIRE MULTIVERSE each MOMENT, all the way down to concepts such as emotions and Logic, also counts towards this victory. That there's a multi-multiversal feat and only gets more impressive the further you read.

Sorry, but Michael Demiurgos takes this. It was even implied that he transcends the overvoid, which corresponds to Beyonder's non-physical multiverse nature. Plus he's surperior destruction feats.

@mrmind Hope my anser helps you!

I only mentioned ''destroying an infinite-dimensional multiverse'', since it's enough to beat the Beyonder featwise. I didn't need to go much further in detail.

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#10 Posted by Rijehu (2149 posts) - - Show Bio

@rijehu said:
@yasindermann said:

Michael was already shown to surpass an non-physical multiversal space, so Beyonder's nature isn't an argument here.

Let's look at it featwise:

Destroying multiverse (Michael Demiurgos)>>>>>>>>>>Shaking multiverse (Beyonder)

Restoring EVERY ATOM in the ENTIRE MULTIVERSE each MOMENT, all the way down to concepts such as emotions and Logic, also counts towards this victory. That there's a multi-multiversal feat and only gets more impressive the further you read.

Sorry, but Michael Demiurgos takes this. It was even implied that he transcends the overvoid, which corresponds to Beyonder's non-physical multiverse nature. Plus he's surperior destruction feats.

@mrmind Hope my anser helps you!

I only mentioned ''destroying an infinite-dimensional multiverse'', since it's enough to beat the Beyonder featwise. I didn't need to go much further in detail.

My bad. I'm gonna start keeping my assists to myself.

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#11 Posted by Yasindermann (2312 posts) - - Show Bio

@rijehu said:
@yasindermann said:
@rijehu said:
@yasindermann said:

Michael was already shown to surpass an non-physical multiversal space, so Beyonder's nature isn't an argument here.

Let's look at it featwise:

Destroying multiverse (Michael Demiurgos)>>>>>>>>>>Shaking multiverse (Beyonder)

Restoring EVERY ATOM in the ENTIRE MULTIVERSE each MOMENT, all the way down to concepts such as emotions and Logic, also counts towards this victory. That there's a multi-multiversal feat and only gets more impressive the further you read.

Sorry, but Michael Demiurgos takes this. It was even implied that he transcends the overvoid, which corresponds to Beyonder's non-physical multiverse nature. Plus he's surperior destruction feats.

@mrmind Hope my anser helps you!

I only mentioned ''destroying an infinite-dimensional multiverse'', since it's enough to beat the Beyonder featwise. I didn't need to go much further in detail.

My bad. I'm gonna start keeping my assists to myself.

But I will read that up, definetly.

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#12 Posted by deactivated-5d59ee082aecf (1384 posts) - - Show Bio

Michael

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#13 Posted by Mister_Surreal (12189 posts) - - Show Bio

*Sigh* Micheal.

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#14 Posted by ProfessorRespect (8842 posts) - - Show Bio

Beyonder obviously wins

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#15 Posted by johnsmjs36 (1381 posts) - - Show Bio
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#17 Posted by johnsmjs36 (1381 posts) - - Show Bio

@yasindermann: If we take what Marvel fans mean by " Toaa before Toaa" or something along the line of before Genesis. I don't know what it means. Obviously Michaels stomps but we should also see from a Marvel fans perspective. This has been done before. Michael should beat Beyonder. He has shown better feat and more raw power in his death than Beyonder has shown in entire run

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#18 Posted by Yasindermann (2312 posts) - - Show Bio

@yasindermann: If we take what Marvel fans mean by " Toaa before Toaa" or something along the line of before Genesis. I don't know what it means. Obviously Michaels stomps but we should also see from a Marvel fans perspective. This has been done before. Michael should beat Beyonder. He has shown better feat and more raw power in his death than Beyonder has shown in entire run

No, if it's factually wrong, we shouldn't. One said in one random debate earth is flat, should we view it from his perspective, even if this statement is impossible and wrong by definition? But anyway, Michael stomps.

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#19 Edited by johnsmjs36 (1381 posts) - - Show Bio

@yasindermann: Actually, Lucifer had his own Multiverse with eldritch beings, fantasy creatures and its own history. He was all powerful there with seemingly no limits to his powers. Beyonder was a sentient universe that had nothing. No life and possibly no celestial bodies. His omnipotence in his own realm is questionable. Multi Eternity is more complex and possibly more powerful than the entire Beyond realm.

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#20 Posted by LightingJack (1712 posts) - - Show Bio

Micheal

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#21 Posted by Yamiyodare (2475 posts) - - Show Bio

Michael Demiurgos wins.

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#22 Edited by Redshift_Bacon (1361 posts) - - Show Bio

Michael can only "win" by dropping all of his energy on Beyonder, which would also kill himself leading to a Stalemate.

That said, I also don't believe Beyonder would be able to harm Michael, without sacrificing the entire Multiverse in a single attack. Of course, its debatable if he can even do that, but In my opinion, he can, and he wasn't really taking the fight with MM 100% Seriously (He was Trying ofc, but he was also testing himself).

I say 50/50, Stalemate, ect.

Lucifer stomps though, due to the nature of his powers.

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#23 Posted by deactivated-5d45fd7ce1a16 (1712 posts) - - Show Bio

Michael can only "win" by dropping all of his energy on Beyonder, which would also kill himself leading to a Stalemate.

That said, I also don't believe Beyonder would be able to harm Michael, without sacrificing the entire Multiverse in a single attack. Of course, its debatable if he can even do that, but In my opinion, he can, and he wasn't really taking the fight with MM 100% Seriously (He was Trying ofc, but he was also testing himself).

I say 50/50, Stalemate, ect.

Lucifer stomps though, due to the nature of his powers.

Lucifer stomps every single fictional being that has ever been written.

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#25 Posted by IdrisianGraecus (430 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkhunter89: Are you... Presence slaughters Lucy... so does TOAA. Pre Retcon Beyonder and Molecule Man are at TOAA’s level.

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#26 Posted by deactivated-5d45fd7ce1a16 (1712 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkhunter89: Are you... Presence slaughters Lucy... so does TOAA. Pre Retcon Beyonder and Molecule Man are at TOAA’s level.

No man, look Lucifer is casually super-infinite dimensional. He's infinitely above infinity dude, he can win against everything.

i'm kidding btw

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#27 Posted by Giojoestar (216 posts) - - Show Bio

I miss the times when Beyonder was considered as the strongest fictional character of all time, I hated myself for ever arguing for it

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#28 Posted by crackshotboi (650 posts) - - Show Bio

Michael takes this

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#29 Edited by IdrisianGraecus (430 posts) - - Show Bio
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#30 Posted by alekj019 (84 posts) - - Show Bio

Beyonder stomps

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#31 Posted by LPercepts (699 posts) - - Show Bio
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#33 Posted by AnnamalHouse (756 posts) - - Show Bio

Beyonder owns him pertty bad.

Michael or Lucifer stand no chance really.

All angels wankers got is they technically got the superior feat. Which is pertty much there full power being shown. Sadly for them when it comes to beyonder scaling via other characters is needed to show how powerful he was esp. since he never really showed his full powers/abilities.

Eternity/Entrophy for example have feats equal to the angels best and they are nothing to beyonder. Even combining all the multiversal abstracts plus LT where nothing to him. To think the brother angels have this level of power is utterly and totally false and the imaginations of fanboyism at it's finest!

Carry on

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#34 Posted by OwenZane (107 posts) - - Show Bio

Michael

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#36 Posted by Haxxxz (205 posts) - - Show Bio

My boi Michael wins

Stop downplaying Michael all the time every CV thread I've seen about Michael he's always much downplayed from where he actually stands

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#37 Edited by Enigma22 (35 posts) - - Show Bio

@haxxxz: Hear hear! Michael Demiurgos is 2nd to the Presence and was described as the “Spark that expands forever. Ocean of Power with no Shore” by the capital G himself. Transcending Creation and maintained every multiverse, every atom of existence, every moment by his sheer will. His Dunamis Demiurgos power is needed when you want to create.....well a new Creation.

The Beyonder doesn't even come close. Him being named infinite-dimensional while Michael transcends the concept of dimensions and logic. Also the Beyonder is just too damn gullible for me to take him seriously even with his impressive raw multiversal power.

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#38 Posted by Fantaman11 (491 posts) - - Show Bio

Demiurgos accidentally oneshots

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#39 Posted by DetectiveSomerset__ (1753 posts) - - Show Bio

Micheal wins , lock this mismatch.

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#41 Posted by TheEmperor95 (2190 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm gonna be honest I've seen a respect thread for Lucifer but he didn't seem all that powerful in comparison to the beyonder. Anyone got a place I can read up on him and his powers?

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#42 Posted by TheAnimal666 (384 posts) - - Show Bio

Beyonder no diff

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#43 Posted by OwenZane (107 posts) - - Show Bio

Michael neg diff

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#44 Posted by Scholomance (116 posts) - - Show Bio
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#45 Posted by DetectiveSomerset__ (1753 posts) - - Show Bio

Beyonder no diff

In 2019 people really argue??? Micheal > TOAA.

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#46 Edited by TheAnimal666 (384 posts) - - Show Bio

@detectivesomerset__ said:
@theanimal666 said:

Beyonder no diff

In 2019 people really argue??? Micheal > TOAA.

Sure <3

Michael > all fiction.

Michael is love, Michael is life !

OT: Beyonder still stomps.

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#47 Posted by MountAcnologia (440 posts) - - Show Bio

Michael lolstomps.

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#49 Posted by Gaoron (10089 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm gonna be honest I've seen a respect thread for Lucifer but he didn't seem all that powerful in comparison to the beyonder.

Same, Beyonder just impressed me more with feats I've seen from both.

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#50 Posted by TheAnimal666 (384 posts) - - Show Bio