Michael Demiurgos Vs Bai Xiaochun

Look at senior Bai. This seems to be Michael vs Outer Disciple Bai.

Now this is a fight I could interestingly analyze. Let's see....

Assumption 1: Boundless Sources of Power for both verses are to be assumed to be the same "entity" in this scenario.

Brahman Presence/The Source (DC) = The Dao/Taikyoku (ErGenverse)

Assumption 2: Cosmology Tiering is entirely irrelevant.

Characters like these do not have "power levels" but are instead, power determined by Logical Magic Systems based on presentation.

Bai XaoChun: Wields the Endless Trans-Dual Essences that emanate from the Dao. Each Essence is the Source from which Archetypal Dualities and Concepts arose and form, bar the Grand Tao.

Michael Demiurgos: Presence's Unending Ocean of Conceptual Power with no Shore, to Spawn Chaotic Concepts out of the Void.

(Limitation: Needs Lucifer to shape Chaotic Concepts and Energies and give it a consistent duality, consistent definition, and form).

Man look at the size of his hands compared to the rest of his body

What version of BXC is used here? EoS?

@senior_nepuko: The picture looks like when he first joined the sect.

Yep. Also @etriel it's Bai Xiaochun, not Xaochun.

I've no idea on who this bai is lol rip

@y3kthunder: Main Character of A Will Eternal, Xianxia novel that came after ISSTH, and part of the Er Gen-verse. And well, Xianxias are quite the obscure verses in the first place, not a lot of people in this kinda community read or know about them, so it's not a surprise haha.

I'm actually surprised Xianxias somehow became a source of attention here. @thekillerklok did a great job with that RT I presume ;).

@senior_nepuko: oh thanks for the info I think I'll try an find a RT on him

Yeah, @thekillerklok actually made it popular here.

@yasindermann: well alright then time for me to do some research

If not specified, Then the current version is used. or EOS.

Alright.

Respect Thread (incomplete but better than nothing owo don't kill me for that Klok) : https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/meng-hao-respect-thread-wip-1857500/

@senior_nepuko: oh thanks I started kloks but I'll read this one 2

@y3kthunder: The one I linked is klok's.

@senior_nepuko: I saw that after I posted lol I was reading a different one by him it was bai xiaochuns RT

@y3kthunder: there's a Bai Xiaochun RT???

Link pls.

@senior_nepuko: https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/bai-xiaochun-respect-thread-wip-1972630/ well pretty sure this is i haven't read all of it cause I was reading the one you sent to me

Aye thx!

Seems incomplete..

Np an I dunno if it's complete or not I just found it

That respect thread isn't even remotely complete... I thought it would be fun to show off senior bais trollforce... only to realize that the shear girth of what they would become would end up eclipsing a hardcover complete works of William Shakespeare.

@thekillerklok: heres a question which thread should I read first I started both but I wanna make sure I get the full scope er picture

@y3kthunder: Mh first, my senior bai respect thread only follows an early version of the character.

@thekillerklok: ok will do thank you

Uhh BuMp coz need to know the outcome

Micheal win

@algrim_is_god: Reasons?

I cannot see Bai harming Michael in any meaningful way.

Transliterating it.

Being what is basically, a vessel of the Tao's power to bring about Chaos out of Nothing to form Concepts that make up reality, is a thing that Bai has not encountered and this is basically.. Li Qiye stuff already.

But on the other hand, Michael's mechanical combats are eerily vague that I'm not sure if he is capable of catching on to Bai's combinatorial essence that will make him bypass any damage done to him.

So I will stay neutral for now.

@etriel:

Being what is basically, a vessel of the Tao's power to bring about Chaos out of Nothing to form Concepts that make up reality, is a thing that Bai has not encountered and this is basically

That's literally Essence. Also, everything that Meng Hao did in the thread against Battler, Bai can do to much higher levels.

@Senior_Nepuko: Was bai able to shape those essences?like shaping them into concepts?

@debunkdude: Essences are Concepts in the first place. You're basically asking me if he was able to shape water into water XD.

@Senior_Nepuko: I think etriel means that michael can spawn random meaningless concepts out of nowhere.I think that is different than essence

@debunkdude: Every concept that exists falls under Essence you know. Also, maybe you misunderstood but I wasn't talking about Michael there.

@Senior_Nepuko: well literally essence=concept + platonic.

Anyone knowledgeable on DC here? So we can know what are Michael's win conditions, if he has one.

The reason why I didn't put Michael in my Tiering System is that the character is in fact, confusing.

Yes, he's Tier A, but he is such a bad character to use in debates due to power set vagueness.

He's like Perpetua, his power is to convert Trans-Dual sections of the Overvoid into Chaos that can form what is Essential to a new Creation, but that's it?

His best feat was exploding into a Tier A level, Meta-conceptual chaotic explosion (twice so) but even that is something that Bai should be able to at least avoid and not get killed by VIA superior conceptual intelligence and precog, if he is smart (which I most likely think he is).

He's kind of vague. I'd rather not discuss him. I'm wishing the new Lucifer 2018/2019 would shed light on him.

I mean, you're better off pitting Bai vs Cain, because at least it would be a hilarious thing to think about if Bai can be let off, getting killed 7 times then permanently, and averted by the Presence/Grand Tao.

@etriel: Hm alright. Tho, would be cool if you can expand on the "meta-conceptual chaotic explosion" part. Hm? Superior conceptual intelligence and precog?

@senior_nepuko: When he dies he takes everything with him.

@johnsmjs36: correction when he body breaks he takes everything with him though pretty sure he could take everything down without breaking his body anywho as long as he has power he can't die

@y3kthunder: His body is the vessel for Demiurgic. His death means unleashing the raw power of the Presence.

@johnsmjs36: no no he is the demiguric the body is the vessel the body I guess dies but he himself doesnt

@senior_nepuko:

Because Michael's "attacks" are Essence Creating/Destroying Chaos Explosions, the direct power of the Presence... He's like a Tier-A suicide bomber. These Chaos can be formed into any Concept, Like a concept of Death like what Lucifer did. Including the formation of Conceptual Realms that transdualistically transcend Imagination of most Multiversal beings (somehow).

However, the problem with Michael is that all his showings are undirected explosions radius (and this attack can happen within nothingness). He has Raw Tier-A Conceptual destroying power, but no skill. And he needs teamwork with Lucifer for that.

Now while I don't think Bai can ever survive being scalded by such an attack, I suspect Bai should have a lot of skills under his sleeves to unskilled destruction. If he is similar to Battler who is similar to Arc. If he has Precognition (which Michael does not seem to have) and Omniscience. As well as several other sets. He most likely will be able to avoid that somehow.

Going to another Multiverse for example.

If you want someone who can negdiff the Dunamis Demiurgos, I believe Li Qiye breaking the Last Duality barrier to Tier 0/+ definitely can, or even Pseudo-Immortals. As he holds the very same essence of what Michael has, +Suggsverse numbers of skillsets to counter.

I will tag @johnsmjs36 since he is the only simultaneous DC + ED pro here. Otherwise, I might be walking on eggshells.

@etriel: Bai does have precognition, and a danger sense that warns him when a very dangerous opponent is approaching, or before him, etc. All cultivators do from some point actually. Er Gen-verse is pretty haxxy.

>"If he is similar to Battler"

Did Battler win against Michael in a previous match?? If so Bai automatically wins, since Bai > Meng >> Battler.

Hax is kind of relative really. It's all about how deep you are, conceptually. It's the same as how Beyonder's and LT's Hax doesn't appear to be so hax when compared to Madoka or Mxy. They're shallower.

Did Battler win against Michael in a previous match?? If so Bai automatically wins, since Bai > Meng >> Battler.

Battler gets crushed by Michael in a point-blank fight especially. What I mean is that, if he has the same swiftiness as Battler, but at Michael's level.

Michael has the power to destroy Bai or Battler. The idea is avoiding God's, Unstable Chaotic Concept Incinerating, Explosion in your face. But it's more because of Michael's lack of skill with his power.

@etriel: I thought with how much we talked at this point you'd know everything turns Conceptual in Er Gen-verse at some point.

Michael has the power to destroy Bai or Battler. The idea is avoiding God's, Unstable Chaotic Concept Incinerating, Explosion in your face. But it's more because of Michael's lack of skill with his power.

Hm? So Michael's attacks are basically The Presence's?

@senior_nepuko: yes he is the presences power