Michael Demiurgos runs a gauntlet!!

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Round 1: Tiamut The Dreaming Celestial

Round 2: Mad Jim Jaspers

Round 3: White Phoenix of the Crown

Round 4: Cosmic Armor Superman

Round 5: Mr. Mxy (not WF Mxy)

Round 6: Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet

Round 7: Perpetua

Round 8: The Living Tribunal

Round 9: Thanos with the Heart of the Universe

Round 10: Pre Retcon Beyonder

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I'd say mike clears. Also since the IG is limited to its native universe nowadays wouldn't it be below crown Phoenix and Mxy?

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@solo788: This is the Infinity Gauntlet at its most powerful form.

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Stops at 5 or 6.

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Clears.

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#7  Edited By mejames255
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@mejames255: No one really presents much of a threat, other than Thanos/Beyonder.

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Oh no wankenix and cosmic shit man's here

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8 or beyond.

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#14  Edited By El_mago

Stops at 5

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Prob 5

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I don't think he gets past Beyonder, but I dont see who beats him before that.

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#17  Edited By zgtfreak

Michael accidentally steps on them all.

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clears beyonder is not on his level

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#19  Edited By cosmic_reign

Gets STOMPED @ rd 1

Rds 4-8 can be debatable

Loses 9-10

IMO

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@zgtfreak said:

Michael accidentally steps on them all.

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#21  Edited By xearesay

Stops at 4. Thinking he goes anywhere beyond is illogical. Also the ladder is out of order.

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He clears unless we go cult mode for CAS.

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Why is Thanos just with the Infinity Gauntlet so high?

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Not sure what Michael has done to beat PR Beyonder or HOTU Thanos either.

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Nothing

Not sure what Michael has done to beat PR Beyonder or HOTU Thanos either.

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@brucerogers: I think it probably has to do with higher dimensionality and scaling beyond the endless like his bro.

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@thebeyonder1: Which again, means literally nothing outside maybe vs battles.

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Michael has outright better feats that PR Beyonder. There are threads about this. He clears.

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@rijehu: I have. His full 2000 series, his Sandman appearances, some one-shots, some of his 2015 series and I am kind of up to date on the 2018 one. That's why I form my own opinion instead of going by what the threads here say.

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@brucerogers: Niiiiiice. I love that response. I’m interested to hear what you think about it And why.

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#37  Edited By BruceRogers

@rijehu: The original series is nothing short of brilliant. One of the best books I've read. I have just about started Sandman too. Never too late eh?

Definitely a change of pace from the usual books I enjoy.

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Michael without limitations = Elaine Belloc

Clean.

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@brucerogers: I feel like the original series is the pinnacle If storytelling regarding the character. Everything was done exceptionally. All following series were good, but didn’t live up to the original.

I will say that I loved some of the story in Holly Black’s 2015 run as well as the art style. I also enjoyed seeing Gabriel back on the scene. But some parts felt rushed and the ending didn’t seem wholesome at all. Just kinda forced on us.

I do love the pacing in the current run and the aesthetic choices are also fitting for the Sandman Universe vibe. I also love the inclusion of other pantheons, it’s akin to early Morpheus story arcs. I also love the new additional background for Lucifer (the GEB being one of his Avatars).

I really wish we could get another original series quality arc that takes place canonically in the DC Omniverse with the same brilliance and story telling.

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#40  Edited By BruceRogers

@rijehu: Agreed. Lucifer seems a little more mellow and laid back compared to his original self. Especially in his 2015 run. And definitely more jocular. And maybe it's just me, but I got a lot of Loki vibes from Gabriel. Ewing's Agent of Asgard Loki to be specific. Both being drawn by Lee Garbett also helps.

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@braziliannone: Nah. And hear me well, I am a Michael and Lucifer FAN, but they aren’t omnipotent. Elaine (as in God Elaine with a capital “G”) is omnipotent narrative wise. Michael and Lucifer together are nothing to her, just as they are nothing to the Presence.

Michael has infinite creative and destructive power, and can virtually do anything he desires with it, ( aside from manipulating it skillfully) but saying that he is equal to God is false. Even without his one limitation, Michael is fodder to Elaine. This was shown in The Spectre where God literally eats Michael. Let’s not get crazy lol.

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Michael eats them alive. Combine them all together against Michael, and he still stomps with no effort.

"An ocean of power with no shore" - the Presence talking about Michael. His power is infinite in terms of destruction and creation. Unless one of them has infinite power (none of them have that kind of power), they all die easily.

And about CAS, Destiny of the Endless is above the monitor sphere, "Every step guided by an inescapable destiny" - CAS. Michael is way stronger than destiny, he destroys CAS easily despite everything the monitor fans say.

The Presence, Lucifer and Michael are still top dogs of DC in my point of view.

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@rijehu: Michael and Lucifer together are omnipotent by logic.

"He gave us power as great as his own, and when he was done with world-making he forbade us to use it" -Lucifer to Michael.

Their powers are ineffective against him because he is the source of it. Not because they lack any power.

"We have stepped into your father's space Morningstar, and your father is the light you shine by. So you have no power against us" - the titans brothers to Lucifer.

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5 or clears

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@happylife1996: Eh, logic dictates that omnipotence is a state of being, not a power set. Michael and Lucifer together can do literally anything, and are all encompassing, but even then they are not omnipotent beings. That’s the difference.

That’s why the titans were becoming omnipotent when they were usurping God’s throne, God’s position. It’s who they were becoming, not just what.

Even if God wasn’t the source of their power, it would do nothing to him because of his status as the supreme being. Two nigh omnipotents don’t make one omnipotent being. Any true omnipotent being would wipe both Lucifer and Michael out of existence, regardless of power origins, by virtue of what omnipotence is. I hope that makes sense.

But Michael does clear here. That we both agree on.

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@brucerogers: You know what, I see what you mean. It’s the black hair and facial structure and all.

I also peeped how Lucifer referenced the Constantine arc in which Gabriel got his heart torn out lol.

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#47  Edited By SagaTheLegend

Stops at 4.

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#48  Edited By zgtfreak

@brucerogers: Michael pretty much embodies and is the source of every boundless platonic concept in existence and represents the power of an omnipotent entity, yes? Even if we say that Marvel concepts aren't fodder (which you still haven't gotten back to me on btw), they are not boundless platonic concepts, let alone the source that forms them. He wouldn't even notice verses that wouldn't notice Marvel if this is the case. He arguably shouldn't even be in debates, along with Lucifer.

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@zgtfreak: inb4 "muhh CaS iS bEyOnD oMnIpoTenT"

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@zgtfreak: Yes, he is Yahweh's power personified, but he is still infinitely weaker than him. He isn't literally limitless. Nor is he immune to harm, capture, getting tortured and even death. The best feat I can think of from him is when Lucifer used the demiurge power within him to shape his own creation, which still couldn't hold a candle to their daddy's. Hell, even Yahweh's creation is just one of the countless, where beings such as Silk-Man predate it.

Creating multiverses is something even Franklin Richards has done. Not saying he beats Michael, but still.

You replied back? Sorry, I didn't see it. I'll get back to you in a day or so.