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#1 Edited by Soratoumiga (1705 posts) - - Show Bio

Lucifer & Michael

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#2 Edited by Supermanthor (13663 posts) - - Show Bio

The Angel brothers lol stomps this overrated duo of Morrison

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#4 Posted by Earendill (878 posts) - - Show Bio

The Angel brothers lol stomps this overrated duo of Morrison

This.

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#5 Posted by DaxNovu (167 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh my.

Mandrakk beats Rox Ogama. Rox Ogama beat the Presence. The Presence is far superior to the Angel brothers. Panel confirmation in Dark Knights Metal by Scott Snyder showed the Forging Monitor and Barbados were superior to the Endless and made them. Mandrakk ate the guy who was too powerful for Barbados to handle. @ Admins can shut this thread down.

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#6 Posted by TheSuperor (5963 posts) - - Show Bio

@daxnovu: Isn't that the retconned non omnipotent Presence?

To my knowledge the brothers should win with ease

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#8 Posted by DaxNovu (167 posts) - - Show Bio

@thesuperor: In 2007 no retcon took place. In the previous issue of Final Crisis, The Presence issues orders to The Spectre to go take care of things. It ends up really bad for both of them. Rox Ogama kills the Spectre and the Radiant at the same time after going to take out the Presence. The angel brothers are not on Monitor level. Anyone say Michael and Lucifer are more powerful than the Presence is just messing around. All these users here know Mandrakk already beat the Presence. They aren't serious. A monitor that isnt even close to the power of the Cosmic Robot and Mandrakk already destroyed three of the top dogs in DC. Rox did that without any of his Monitor authority. The question was answered already, the OP is just trolling with the thread.

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#9 Posted by RampageTheFirst (7063 posts) - - Show Bio

Either of the brothers solo.

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#10 Edited by Archangel01 (1192 posts) - - Show Bio

Either of the bros solos, ls this a joke?

Monitors and thought robots ars like ants compared to demiorgic brothers

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#14 Posted by Yamiyodare (784 posts) - - Show Bio

Michael Demiurgos and Lucifer Morningstar easy. they are a category above.

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#16 Posted by GladiatorS (199 posts) - - Show Bio

@supermanthor: whatsapp karliya kar kabhi, tujhe mei yahan hi yaad aata hun

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#20 Posted by Supermanthor (13663 posts) - - Show Bio

Ot the angel brothers still stomps this overrated duo of Morrison

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#21 Posted by y3kthunder (85 posts) - - Show Bio

Gonna give it to the brothers they wreck these cheap knocks offs. I love superman but he ain't one of the top no matter what the version

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#22 Posted by Yasindermann (141 posts) - - Show Bio

The brothers stomp. Yeah, CAS exists on the highest dimensional plane in DC, but Lucifer could leave the whole DC multiverse and create his own realm. That brings him over CAS. CAS could not stand the ''blood of 52 universes and the heat of 10 billion suns'' attack, and Lucifer and Michael has far stronger attacks than this. And the same goes for Mandrakk....he gets stomped.

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#23 Posted by Rijehu (1241 posts) - - Show Bio

When in the HECK did Nabu (Dr Fate) become Destiny of the Endless???? How are Monitors superior to the being who holds the Monitor Sphere in his book? How are the Endless creations of the Monitors when Death herself can skip through the OM and hop between omniverses at will and claims all creation on panel (including the DC narrative?) Also, Mandrakk just got reduced to feeding on dark matter in his latest appearance...how does one who can eat stories and plots gets retconned by a mere character from a story he's supposed to be vastly beyond? If Monitors killed "God", which one? The Presence? Elaine? Why do Monitors need to feed on creation? How does Lucifer "struggle" with the narrative when he too hopped out of the multiverse and casually made his own there? The Basanos are created from Destiny's book and contains it power of the manipulation of meta probability, yet they literally admitted that Lucifer's creation in the void (his will embodied) dimmed their powers and confused their tactics...they were the power of the DC narrative and Lucifer's will rendered them helpless...so how does that make Destiny (the Narrative) greater than Lucifer? Are there more than one version of the Endless? Because that would go directly against multiversity's explanation of the sphere of then gods, who Morrison himself crafted. Will we ever get consistency to these issues? FIND OUT NEXT TIME ON DRAGONBALL Z!

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#24 Edited by etriel (390 posts) - - Show Bio

@rijehu: lol. thats because daxnovu/kryptonianpride/karp is delusional.

there are scans of nabu and destiny of the endless explicitly being treated as different characters. with different origins and different hierarchies but somehow he thinks nabu and destiny are the same.

spectre has toyed with nabu many times. while spectre is treated as nothing to lucifer and destiny still possesses some influence over lucifers creation. its very very stupid to think that nabu is the same as destiny when their feats are so very far apart. their personalities are so different.

heck, destiny is more powerful than dream but dream wasnt scared of a lord of chaos. how is destiny the same as nabu if dream and destiny are more poewrful than the lords of chaos and order that nabu serves? that is stupid.

he is saying that because if not. he would have to admit that destiny holds the monitor sphere in his book. lol

daxnovu is ignorant liar on dc and everything about dc debunks everything he says because he is a sad pathetic liar with multi-account.

he is literally delusionl and on drugs.

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#25 Posted by rarelandpupper (217 posts) - - Show Bio

Infinity, dimensions, etc. are meaningless to Lucifer, CAS is still bound by dimensions simple.

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#26 Edited by DaxNovu (167 posts) - - Show Bio

@rijehu: Fate is the ultimate form of Destiny and it resides outside of the Orrery. It is another aspect of Destiny of the Endless. This is explained in the Multiversity. Fate/Nabus true form predates Destiny of the Endless.

All of Jack Kirby and Vertigo characters are inside of Universe 51, which is an entire continuity, not just a universe. All of those stories are condensed in there. Including Destiny of the Endless.

The Cosmic Map shows all the Endless below the Science Monitors in power.

The Presence was beaten in a 1v1 with Rox Ogama, along with the Spectre and Radiant. Ogama was banished to the Orrery and stripped of his powers. He was basically nothing compared to what he was originally and still took out the Presence in Final Crisis.

In The Unexpected series written by Scott Snyder recently, the story is about Dream of the Endless being unable to match Barbados in power. Allen Quench is stronger than Barbados, and we find that he was Mandrakks pawn the entire time. Mandrakk eats a guy who was significantly stronger than Dream of the Endless, and Mandrakk did it without all of his original powers and while was in a weaker state. These are just a few reasons. If you want all of them, with scans to back it up, I will gladly post them. Be forewarned though, Etriel and a few others will show up and ignore all of the author statements and scans entirely and make up their own canon, as they always do.

"The dying GOD left your universe wounded, broken and defenseless. Here at the end of all stories, where Mandrakk dwells."

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#27 Edited by etriel (390 posts) - - Show Bio

@rijehu: i already debunked everything daxnovu multi-account loser just replied to you already. theyre all lies with no evidence. he sees things that the scan doesnt say it is saying. lol

he already said that nabu and destiny of the endless were the same which is very stupid. with that alone. he already has zero credibility.

kryptonianpride/babymagikarp/daxnovu changes his account because he is hated by everyone so he tries to make a new identity all the time.

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#28 Edited by DaxNovu (167 posts) - - Show Bio

Where did you debunk anything? I'd love to read your nonexistent debunks. Lord Mandrakk laughs at your attempts. This should be fun. Oh, good times ahead for the son of God, the first child of Monitor Mind, the direct aspect and portion of the ultimate God concept...me, in all my glory: Mandrakk.

You showed up minutes after my post saying you would come in and spout some random things without any debunks at all.

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@rijehu: i already debunked everything daxnovu multi-account loser just replied to you already. theyre all lies with no evidence. he sees things that the scan doesnt say it is saying. lol

he already said that nabu and destiny of the endless were the same which is very stupid. with that alone. he already has zero credibility.

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#31 Posted by el-kun (240 posts) - - Show Bio

Either brothers solo with ease

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#33 Edited by DaxNovu (167 posts) - - Show Bio

@felgrim31: Scott Snyder revitalized it and made the Morrison continuity the only Canon now. He did the entire Dark Knight Series and also the Unexpected, both of which are using Morrison cosmology. Ogama already defeated the Presence. Lucifer and Michael cannot beat the Presence and don't have feats even close to any Monitor. The level of favoritism here is beyond giggle worthy.

The Monitor squad bodies Lucifer and Michael. Based on feats and author statements.

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#35 Posted by DaxNovu (167 posts) - - Show Bio

@felgrim31: Rebirth, N52, Metal and Unexpected are all in canon at the moment. Your facts aren't correct. Vertigo is part of it and has been for some time according to direct statements from Scott Snyder. As well as Morrison while he was a writer for both Vertigo and DC comics. The Endless were mentioned directly in the Cosmic Map back in 2007. Nice try.

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#37 Edited by DaxNovu (167 posts) - - Show Bio

It is. Scott and Greg Capullo directly confirmed it at Comic Con and got permission to use the lore directly from Gaimen.

They are on the cosmic map from 2007 and cited directly.

Dream is the central figure in Metal where events of the N52 and Rebirth are talked about.

The first issue of The Unexpected was published in 2011...by VERTIGO comics.

Universe 51 is all of Jack Kirbys continuity condensed into a megaverse.

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Morrison confirmed the Jack Kirby-created New Gods force a majority of the twists and turns in "Final Crisis," and the writer's first vision of the epic tale was based on the question of what if not one, but ten world ravagers came to Earth.

"The New Gods, as a concept, is so brilliant. And more importantly, the New Gods gave us Darkseid, who has always been DC's greatest villain," said Morrison. "He's probably New Gods' greatest contribution to the DC Universe. But beyond that, everything about the New Gods is amazing. I read those Kirby omnibus books all the time. They're filled with so many characters and so many big ideas. The whole thing is a complete re-creation of the superhero concept as pop mythology. Kirby rewires the whole thing.

Rox Ogama beat the Presence in final crisis already. So you are saying Michael and Lucifer > The Presence? A monitor without any of his powers reset and remade the Source and all of Kirby continuity with a snap of his fingers, all the new Gods and all the Endless too. That is quite a lot of evidence you are just flat out ignoring.

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@daxnovu: except, vertigo isn't. Not even a good try on your part bud.

Like I said, take your favo

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#38 Edited by etriel (390 posts) - - Show Bio

@felgrim31: @rijehu@sungsam@rampagethefirst

mandrakk was already defeated in the monitor sphere itself. his own very being and requirement to live was manipulated by a bunch of low level heroes with no multiversal feats. hes not this 'above all dc' bullshit thing weve been hearing about. lol

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hopefully that krpytonianpride/babykarp/daxnovu troll stops bothering normal people lol

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#39 Posted by Supermanthor (13663 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol Angels still stomps

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Team 1

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#41 Edited by DaxNovu (167 posts) - - Show Bio

Etriel, You suspiciously, and that doesnt surprise me at all, left out all the important scans of the fight.

The comic literally states Barbados couldn't stop him and nothing in all of Creation itself could do so except the Pool of Creation rewriting the arc of Mandrakk in that form. And it goes on to say that it is possible only because Mandrakk wasnt what he was once in Final Crisis.

Next time, please dont be so scared to post all the scans and only post a few without a linear context to them. That is proof you are hoping nobody else read issue 8.

All who wanted to know the question of how powerful Mandrakk is in his weakened state, the answer is so powerful that nothing in Creation can stop him, except the pool of creation altering his story.

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#42 Edited by etriel (390 posts) - - Show Bio

didnt bother reading your post. i knew it would be shit like always.

mandrakk can be easily manipulated against himself and couldnt foresee it. end of story. lol. finally debunking your mandrakk is dc writer lie. and hes not even omniscient.

i like how i already debunked how you confused the nth metal with the tenth metal (embarassingly) and claimed that dax novu was the writer of dc even though he just got his ass kicked and was turned around against himself by some heroes and you still continue to yap and yap and yap.

i mean you even claim that dr fate and destiny of the endless were the same being even though their powers, character design, origins and personalities are so different they are even treated differently by the lords of chaos and order and by the same other characters and are copyrighted separately to dc from one another. for gods sake kryptonianpride/karp. dc even gives you two separate profiles for the characters.

literally all your claims are exaggerations and twisting the evidence for your own narratives. you even said that mandrakk was weakened here when you have no evidence for such a thing. another lie.

i have no interest in debating you. im only interested in making sure that people look at your posts and just say 'naaah'

go ahead. make another stupid alt-account to restart all over again. lol. you and your corny fake signature. your obsession with grant morrison is already compulsively disturbing.

you are just a sad schizophrenic guy. you should be lobotomized

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#43 Edited by DaxNovu (167 posts) - - Show Bio

You trying to laughably hide the important scans was cute as a button. You actually picked out and tried to edit the timeline of events by not posting all of the scans in order. Hoping nobody read it or would question out of order scans? Lowest form of debating there is, Etriel.

Mandrakk at full power by himself bodies Lucifer and Michael and it is now 100% proven.

I will make sure to post the "more poweful than anything in all of Creation" scan everywhere now. Mandrakk in his weakened form was more powerful than EVERYTHING in creation. The only thing that could stop him was Over Monitors Creation pool gifting Neon and Quench NARRATIVE control, the same power Mandrakk originally had in Final Crisis.

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#46 Posted by Rijehu (1241 posts) - - Show Bio

@daxnovu: So to be clear, it's Final crises then DKM, then Unexpected?

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#47 Edited by DaxNovu (167 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes. You should stick Multiversity in there before the Metal Series though.

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@daxnovu: So to be clear, it's Final crises then DKM, then Unexpected?

"Nothing in all of Creation can stop Mandrakk." - The Unexpected: issue 8

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@majinblackheart: Apologies. Thought that site was fine. Will make sure not to in the future.

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writer of dc he says. got transformed by simple magic by low level magician with only mountain level feats.

lalalalalalala

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