Mia Smoak vs Bane (Nolanverse)

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Poll Mia Smoak vs Bane (Nolanverse) (20 votes)

Mia wins 40%
Bane breaks her 60%

Random encounter

No knowledge or prep

Morals are off

Fight takes place in Gotham Sewer, 30 feet apart

Win by any means

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H2h only/unarmed combat

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#2  Edited By TheSuperor

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Bane shatters her like the weak piece of shit she is.

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You must be high if you think Mia wins...

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Bane.

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Mia.

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@subline said:
@thesuperor said:

Mia

Reasons?

She hits incredibly hard despite her size. She would have no problem damaging Bane out as she definitely hits harder than Bruce by feats. I would also claim that she is considerably more skilled, evident from her sparring with Nyssa and when she took out 12 armed guards in the the office.

She also did quite good against the enhanced Vigilante killer and later against the army (may or may not be enhanced).

Her only problem in this fight is limited durability showings, but she should be fast enough to avoid most of Bane's hits.

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I would also claim that she is considerably more skilled, evident from when she took out 12 armed guards in the the office.

Guards feat:

Not so impressive, Mia was just doing 1v1s in quick succession, they make it quite clear how she would fare in a 2v1, which she attempts and gets tagged twice right at the start of it.

And on top of this Mia took 41 seconds to take them all down.

Here we have Batman take out 6 of Bane's Mercs in under 13 seconds without getting tagged a single time.

Bane's mercs receive a decent amount of training and have been complimented by Batman himself:

Those weren't just street thugs. They were trained killers. I saved your life.

Heavily implying that had he not shown up Selena would have been taken out by his mercs alone.

Bane scales above this guy, in their final fight Bane lands a total of 17 hits compared to Bruce's 11, this alone is leagues better than this feat of beating 12 guards you've posted.

Nyssa Feat:

, evident from her sparring with Nyssa

Nyssa at this point would be 54 years old (20 or so years older than her Prime Self), and would be way more rusty, she wouldn't be training regularly etc like she was when she performs her 6v1.

The downgrade however is unquantifiable so it's really hard to put this feat into context, but based off Mia's performances against those 12 guards I really don't think she's on the same level as Prime Nyssa.

She also did quite good against the enhanced Vigilante killer and later against the army (may or may not be enhanced).

Those are literal brutes with no skill, Bane is a well rounded fighter with good feats in all aspects, not just physicals.

Her only problem in this fight is limited durability showings, but she should be fast enough to avoid most of Bane's hits.

What durability feats does she even have?

She hits incredibly hard despite her size. She would have no problem damaging Bane out as she definitely hits harder than Bruce by feats.

What feats?

And besides, Bruce's hits did little to Bane, he took around 18 hits in their first fight, and even though Bruce wasn't at his prime then, his kicks were still powerful enough to damage a brick despite him having a leg injury.

Strength: Bane overpowered Bruce, who casually snapped metal bolts. Putting him tiers above Mia.

Striking Power: Bane cracks Limestone with his punches.

Durability: Took 18 hits from Bruce with little issue, in the final fight he gets put down because he can't handle the pain as Bruce damages the mask which numbs Bane's pain from his past injuries, and Bruce was only able to damage the mask by using his gauntlets.

Skill: Bane is on the same level as Batman, who can clear 6 of Bane's Mercs in 13 seconds without getting tagged.

Bane has clear cut advantages in every category based off what you've given me. This isn't close.

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@sjuttiosju: what do you hate her so much? She's good and quite lovely

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Bruce has the luxury of having a suit that protects him and has better group fighting feats (not 2v1 but several people at once). He was being ragdolled by Bane despite having the protection of his suit. From what ive seen of Mia she's pretty good but not on Batman's level. She'd never make it out of the pit either.

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Bane due to physicality

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@subline:

Mia could clearly approach multiple people at the same time in combat. She and Bruce are almost the same in this regard. They almost always fight the fodder in rapid succession and not simultaneous. Bruce could pin one while fighting another, the same as Mia does here, pin one and knock out two others.

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And on top of this Mia took 41 seconds to take them all down.

How is that a bad feat? She is ambushed by a dozen armed and armoured guards, and beats them all in just over 40 seconds. That is hella good.

Here we have Batman take out 6 of Bane's Mercs in under 13 seconds without getting tagged a single time.

Fights them in rapid succession and pins one while fighting another, in similar fashion to Mia. He also has the advantage that Nolan goons doesn't fire guns, they hit with them. If they could actually pull the trigger they would have him dead multiple times in that short clip. Mia fights people that actually shoot their guns. On occasion

Heavily implying that had he not shown up Selena would have been taken out by his mercs alone.

The guards Mia fought were high caliber as well.

Bane scales above this guy, in their final fight Bane lands a total of 17 hits compared to Bruce's 11, this alone is leagues better than this feat of beating 12 guards you've posted.

Doesn't translate to this fight at all. They are both really slow combatants. Mia would be more efficient in dodging hits.

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Nyssa at this point would be 54 years old (20 or so years older than her Prime Self), and would be way more rusty, she wouldn't be training regularly etc like she was when she performs her 6v1.

Roy was out on adventures with Nyssa and Thea, Roy was killed and resurrected by a lazarus pit. Judging by how Nyssa looks and moves, I feel certain that she is in possession of lazarus waters. Which means that she would still be in her prime.

Those are literal brutes with no skill, Bane is a well rounded fighter with good feats in all aspects, not just physicals.

No, no, no. These were weapons of mass destruction. It was said something like one of them has wiped out half of the canaries and an army would be the end of vigilantes all together. This was supposed to be the perfect soldier.

What durability feats does she even have?

Trading hits with said enhanced soldier.

What feats?

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That feat is far above anything Batman or Bane has ever done.

The dudes Mia knocks out with a single hit is in full armor, helmet and all, that is more impressive than knocking out someone with their head left exposed. (this fight)

his kicks were still powerful enough to damage a brick despite him having a leg injury.

His kicks were only that powerful because of the knee brace.

These are two very different types of fighters. Your scaling off Bruce is flawed, Bruce can take this many mercenaries and Bane fought Bruce, therefore Bane is also that skilled. Doesn't work like that. B

Bane is slower than Mia and would struggle to tagg her, and even when he does, she could still take a good couple of hits as she has tanked hits from a stronger opponent. Mia could launch a man a 20 ft. through a glass window, she can definitely damage Bane. Mia has experience in fighting quick, skilled characters such as Nyssa and Dinah and also stronger more durable soldiers in armor.

Mia holds the advantage in categories such as skill, agility and speed. They are fairly even as far as damage output is concerned and Bane has better durability.

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@thesuperor: Lime's given me the curtesy of taking over this debate so I'll respond to you later, just as a heads up.

@stealthgrey: I don't hate her, she's just nothing compared to Bruce, let alone Bane.

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Bane could handle MCU street levels, this is spite imo.

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Mia - her feat against those armed guards was pretty impressive

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#19  Edited By anthp2000  Moderator

RF Twin 1.0 won't quit

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@subline: I doubt that any Nolan character can take on the Super Star City Soldiers. Mia no sold all their shots and won each time in H2H. And on top of that, their speed reactions were said to be greatly wider compared to the average human.

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@onlyoneempereor: most Viners here always say Bane will always get stomped by Cap or other MCU Street level. Although, i'm not agree with that

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@stealthgrey: He would get beat by cap, but he can handle Rumlow, Falcon , Wilson and Romanov imo.

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@stealthgrey: MXU Cap rips Bane apart. He can allow Bane free shots at his head and still stomp.

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@rebake: are his flesh and bones denser than a concrete pillar?

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@thesuperor:

Mia could clearly approach multiple people at the same time in combat. She and Bruce are almost the same in this regard. They almost always fight the fodder in rapid succession and not simultaneous. Bruce could pin one while fighting another, the same as Mia does here, pin one and knock out two others.

In the gif you post the 2 dudes who she kicks are armed with guns and are aiming the gun at her, they are not nearly as ready for combat as the 2 in the gif I posted.

In Batman's 6v1 they go at him all ready to attack apart from maybe one dude who he grabs on to.

His feat was done with much more ease and whilst fighting multiple simultaneously. And choreographically it may not look like so but it was clearly implied, they all go at him at once, it was an obvious 6v1. Whereas in Mia's feat they clearly show her go from opponent to opponent. And go out of their way to show her struggle in a 2v1.

How is that a bad feat? She is ambushed by a dozen armed and armoured guards, and beats them all in just over 40 seconds. That is hella good.

She also uses guns to take out a few of them, and gets tagged.

Meanwhile Bruce took out 12 thugs armed with knives and bats while surrounded in 20 seconds, and Bane was able to out perform Bruce, a dude with a feat superior to Mia's guards feat.

Fights them in rapid succession and pins one while fighting another, in similar fashion to Mia. He also has the advantage that Nolan goons doesn't fire guns, they hit with them. If they could actually pull the trigger they would have him dead multiple times in that short clip. Mia fights people that actually shoot their guns. On occasion

Already debunked apart from your point about guns, which only helps my case, as the dude with the gun in my gif tries to attack Bruce with the gun, meanwhile in your gif they try to shoot Mia, making them easier to take down in CQC since they're not focusing on a CQC fight. Sure this is good aim dodging mid combat and shows good multi tasking, but as for pure skill goes, Bruce's feat is clearly superior.

The guards Mia fought were high caliber as well.

I'm sure they were, but based off of what actually happens in the fights, Bats' feat is clearly better from a CQC perspective.

Roy was out on adventures with Nyssa and Thea, Roy was killed and resurrected by a lazarus pit. Judging by how Nyssa looks and moves, I feel certain that she is in possession of lazarus waters. Which means that she would still be in her prime.

Wasn't that in the actual Season 7? Not the flashforwards?

And as for Nyssa, it seems like speculation, sure she might visually look the same but like I said comparing their actual feats makes one question whether Nyssa actually was in her prime.

No, no, no. These were weapons of mass destruction. It was said something like one of them has wiped out half of the canaries and an army would be the end of vigilantes all together. This was supposed to be the perfect soldier.

Yet Laurel literally one shotted one of them with her cry? How does this make sense, if one did indeed take out half the canaries I'm sure it was from a sneak attack or from afar, not a straight up fight. And also how does this change the fact that they have such vastly superior stats to not only Mia but the Canaries too.

We have no idea how they took the Canaries out, so we can't just assume it was CQC or a showing of skill.

And I just checked the fight you were talking about, it's nowhere near as impressive as you're making it out to be, Mia grapples up and surprise kicks one off of the ledge, then takes one out with an arrow. Then she literally charges at one and one shots it, which is either highly inconsistent based off her other fight with a single one, where she lands 10-11 hits and they do nothing, it literally takes the dude 12 seconds to land a hit then drop her and hold her at gunpoint dead to rights. Either this or Mia just hit considerably harder because of the run up, and she won't be able to land such a generic attack against a much more skilled opponent and additionally she won't even have space to run up.

As for the section after that it's inconsistent with her H2H showing, she is able to actually drop them and hurt them based off of the grunts they were making. Whereas her unarmed hits did literally nothing. So clearly the bow allows a lot of extra damage output.

Trading hits with said enhanced soldier.

The soldier lands 1 punch and then drops her and then she's visibly in pain, how is this impressive? (First Fight)

And in the other fight basically the same thing happens, she gets dropped with a kick and that's pretty much all the damage she takes.

I also noticed how you failed to give a single striking feat for said soldiers.

So far I have no reason to believe Bane can put her down in very little hits.

That feat is far above anything Batman or Bane has ever done.

Not really tho, all she does is kick a guy a few feat, even Batman can do this, and Bane could catch his punches and overpower him.

And besides this doesn't at all compare to Bane's feat of cracking Limestone.

Tackles a dude through a door and several meters into the room.

Slams a dude running towards her to the ground in the direction he came from with a kick. (Takes great force to cancel the momentum)

She had significant charge up at the first one, and that is way above her regular damage output based off of it one shotting soldiers who had previously tanked a dozen hits from her.

Why is knocking a guy down with a kick impressive? It's literally not impressive in the slightest, Batman while having really really bad leverage sent Joker a few meters away with a kick.

His kicks were only that powerful because of the knee brace.

That literally makes no sense, the knee brace was to help him recover, it doesn't amp his strength... we even see him still have slight issues walking whilst using the brace, yet you think he was amped? More headcannon.

These are two very different types of fighters. Your scaling off Bruce is flawed, Bruce can take this many mercenaries and Bane fought Bruce, therefore Bane is also that skilled. Doesn't work like that. B

What I'm saying is, that Bane was able to fight and out-perform a guy who is superior to Mia in every aspect.

What's so flawed about that?

Bane is slower than Mia and would struggle to tagg her, and even when he does, she could still take a good couple of hits as she has tanked hits from a stronger opponent. Mia could launch a man a 20 ft. through a glass window, she can definitely damage Bane. Mia has experience in fighting quick, skilled characters such as Nyssa and Dinah and also stronger more durable soldiers in armor.

Bane is slower choreographically, yes. But based off actual feats, he's not slow. Alfred commented on his speed, and Batman is just as fast as Mia if not faster. And Bane had no trouble tagging him.

Mia sending a guy like 5 meters is no more impressive than Batman's feat, and Bane took hordes of strikes from Batman.

But the better questions is how many strikes can Mia take from Bane? And the answer is not much based off what you've shown.

Mia holds the advantage in categories such as skill, agility and speed. They are fairly even as far as damage output is concerned and Bane has better durability.

No, what you've done is post feats for Mia and just said they're on Bane's level without explaining how, such as you claiming that kicking a dude 5 meters is better than anything Bane or Batman has done.

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That's stucco, IDK how people came up with the conclusion that the pillar is concrete when you can literally see sand coming out of it

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Dude, as far as I know, such huge building poles are made of cement, sand and stone. however it still harder than bone and flesh.

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@kolkent said:

@stealthgrey:

That's stucco, IDK how people came up with the conclusion that the pillar is concrete when you can literally see sand coming out of it

You realize stucco is not sand, right?

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Don't see Bane losing this

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@subline: SMH, you told me I could take over. I'm mad salty.

JK, it actually gives me less to do and your rebuttal was great so I have no issues.

Edit: It's all good now that we resolved the issue in PM's.

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When did I say this....

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Bane solos the verse.

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I'd pick Bane

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Visually as 90 pound lady shouldn't be able to do that, but superhero verses are full of absurds like Batwoman tanking rushing trucks.

i give it still to Bane thou