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#1 Edited by Rowso77 (153 posts) - - Show Bio

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Naruto and Sasuke take place during the Shinobi war arch

Meliodas and Ban take place after the defeat of Hendrickson (Basically where the anime is currently sitting at)

Manga, Anime, and Movie feats for both sides

Morals on

Win by death or K.O.

Both sides are 15 feet away from eachother

Both sides receive equipment they usually use

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Takes place here

Which side wins

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#2 Edited by HigherPower (12199 posts) - - Show Bio

Sasuke solos, and this statement holds true even if you used current Meli and Ban.

Mismatch.

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#3 Edited by NeoGX45 (349 posts) - - Show Bio

Mel potentially solos. He physically outclasses them, is similar in speed and FC deals with energy projection. Ban can't die and could drain both of them with hunter fest or simply rip put their hearts

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#4 Posted by HigherPower (12199 posts) - - Show Bio

@neogx45: What's Mel's counter to genjutsu?

Oh wait, that's right. He doesn't have one.

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#5 Posted by deactivated-5c531df1eeb1f (1804 posts) - - Show Bio

Both Naruto or Sasuke can solo, together it’s almost a stomp.

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#6 Edited by HigherPower (12199 posts) - - Show Bio

Tbh anyone who actually thinks Sealed Meliodas (that's the version being used here) stands a chance against either Naruto or Sasuke is blatantly trolling.

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#7 Posted by Cosmic_Lantern (5668 posts) - - Show Bio

Adding anime and movie feats makes this a mountainous mismatch.

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#8 Posted by KingZod (3918 posts) - - Show Bio

You did not just give Naruto and Sasuke movie feats and expect this to be anything other criminal r**e

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#9 Edited by shirso (3867 posts) - - Show Bio

Mel and Ban busted a mountain sized dungeon that no sold the combined attacks of 10 magical city busting dragons. And that was casually accomplished in a far weaker form. I feel people are underselling the SDS duo.

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#10 Edited by deactivated-5c531df1eeb1f (1804 posts) - - Show Bio

@shirso: Not underselling but Naruto and Sasuke both got their God like buffs in the War arch and Mountain level because a small attack for them.

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#11 Edited by Rowso77 (153 posts) - - Show Bio

@callmeblast: Isn't that after the war arch or am I just confused?...I thought that the war arch ended when obito and madara teamed up....

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#12 Posted by Zofistian (144 posts) - - Show Bio

@neogx45: Not current with the manga for Mel and Ban (working on it) but do they have any FtL feats bc Naruto and Sasuke both do. I'm not challenging I'm asking, because that will make me even more hyped to catch up.

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#13 Posted by deactivated-5c531df1eeb1f (1804 posts) - - Show Bio

@rowso77: I think the War arch ended when Kaguya was resurrected.

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#14 Posted by Marc_55 (5857 posts) - - Show Bio

@rowso77: The War Arc doesn't end until either before or after Kaguya, depending on how you view her place in things.

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#15 Posted by deactivated-5c531df1eeb1f (1804 posts) - - Show Bio

@zofistian: Neither Naruto or Sasuke has LS feats , Naruto has 1 LS reaction feat.

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#16 Posted by Zofistian (144 posts) - - Show Bio

@callmeblast: So Naruto dodging a lightspeed attack from Madara isn't a lightspeed feat? Sasuke and Naruto both having instanteous movement isn't lightspeed (well true, it's faster)? Maito Guy is relativistic in 8 gates and Madara was reacting to him, and in fact Minato was still faster with his jutsu. Official databook straight up says that Naruto is faster than that. Do you have a counter to these proveable points?

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#17 Posted by Rowso77 (153 posts) - - Show Bio

@marc_55: damn, sorry about that, I keep making these mistakes in my threads xD

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#18 Edited by deactivated-5c531df1eeb1f (1804 posts) - - Show Bio

@zofistian: I said Naruto has 1 LS reaction feat, Sasuke has none, he can teleport that doesn’t make him LS, If Sasuke could react at that speed he wouldlt need to charge his attacks before hand.

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#19 Edited by Marc_55 (5857 posts) - - Show Bio

@rowso77: It's pretty convoluted, so that's to be expected.

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#20 Posted by Zofistian (144 posts) - - Show Bio

@callmeblast: Raikage is stated in the manga to have LS reaction time and Sasuke was able to react to him before his buffs from Hagaromo. It's also shown that Raikage could keep up to Minato's instantaneous movement so unless we're saying Raikage is faster than Sasuke there's a problem. Wait, before you DO try to say that remember that Raikage got fodderized by base form Madara and Sasuke fought Kaguya without getting blitzed.

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#21 Posted by deactivated-5c531df1eeb1f (1804 posts) - - Show Bio

@zofistian: Show me the scan of Raikage being stated as a LS timer.

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#22 Posted by Cable_Extreme (16783 posts) - - Show Bio

Mel and Ban should win.

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#23 Posted by Dust_Hawk (1464 posts) - - Show Bio

Naruto and Sasuke.

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#24 Edited by Zofistian (144 posts) - - Show Bio

@callmeblast: Sure. http://i6.mangareader.net/naruto/462/naruto-744920.jpg There you go.

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#25 Posted by deactivated-5c531df1eeb1f (1804 posts) - - Show Bio

@zofistian: Now show me a panel of Aye dodging a lightspeed attack that would make this a fact and not a hyperbole.

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#26 Edited by Zofistian (144 posts) - - Show Bio

@callmeblast: Burden of Proof. YOU show me a post proving it is. He's called the fastest shinobi alive by literally EVERYONE. He full on blitzes Minato in their fight and the Yellow Flash had to use teleportation to avoid instant death. He's so fast Sasuke couldn't track him with Sharingan in their fight, and he could track Haku who was reflecting himself off mirrors (which is literally light moving). Sharingan has never been shown to have difficulty tracking anything. Kakashi could easily track lightning to cut it in half with his sharingan (easy lightning timing feat). So we know that Ay has to be moving significantly faster than that. There is no evidence whatsoever to support that it's hyperbole in any way.

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#27 Posted by Godren (3654 posts) - - Show Bio

Lightspeed Ay and Minato instantaneous movement XD

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#28 Posted by deactivated-5c531df1eeb1f (1804 posts) - - Show Bio

@zofistian: So you’re a troll, also burden of proof is on you. You claimed how fast he was. You prove it.

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#29 Posted by deactivated-5c531df1eeb1f (1804 posts) - - Show Bio

@godren: I mean at least Minato can teleport so if you want to say Instant that that’s cool, but LS Aye is a first for me lmao.

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#30 Posted by Dust_Hawk (1464 posts) - - Show Bio

OFF-TOPIC EVERYWHERE 🤣

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#31 Posted by Zofistian (144 posts) - - Show Bio

@callmeblast: I did prove it. I showed where it was explicitly stated in the source material. YOU claimed that it was hyperbole. You made the claim. Now prove it. I STILL have not seen you show me feats from Ban or Mel that put them anywhere near Naruto or Sasuke in terms of speed. Naruto is certifiable LS and Sasuke can move faster than Ay who is so fast the sharingan can't track him.

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#32 Posted by Zofistian (144 posts) - - Show Bio

@godren: States in manga to have LS cognition =/= LS movement. Please do not misrepresent what I said. It's right there in black and white. Not even in big words so reading comprehension shouldn't be difficult. Also:

tel·e·portˈteləˌpôrt/verb

  1. 1.(especially in science fiction) transport or be transported across space and distance instantly.

noun

If you would like to show me somewhere that they have redefined this word in the English language then I will withdraw Minato having instant movement. Otherwise I'm afraid that the very definition of his ability contains those exact words.

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#33 Posted by deactivated-5c531df1eeb1f (1804 posts) - - Show Bio

@zofistian: You showed me a hyperbole now show me a panel of Aye actually reaching LS.

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#34 Edited by Zofistian (144 posts) - - Show Bio

@callmeblast: You know I don't like to do this but fine. You acting like an asshole is not a substitute for the burden of proof. I showed you a statement made in the manga. More importantly it is a statement made to the READER, not to anyone in the manga. The person in particular isn't speaking to anyone, so the only reason it is included is expository. This is how writing works. Now, you are claiming that this legitimate scan from the manga is hyperbole. You either show me without a doubt that it is, or admit you're wrong and move on with your life. The thread is about Mel/Ban vs Naruto/Sasuke. I showed scan s for my feats, do you have anything or are you just a troll who has no opinion?

Edit: Also, as I said to someone else: LS cognition is the not the same as LS movement. The very fact that I have to explain that to you makes me think you're in a bit over your head.

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#35 Posted by deactivated-5c531df1eeb1f (1804 posts) - - Show Bio

@zofistian: Yea but Aye has never gone LS making that Statement a hyperbole, Just like Madara destroying all things in the universe.

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#36 Posted by Zofistian (144 posts) - - Show Bio

@callmeblast: The claim is not that he has LS movement. It's that he has LS perception. Him reacting to Minato repeatedly shows that he does. Now, stop wasting my time and show me some scans or give up.

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#37 Posted by Chaos239 (5081 posts) - - Show Bio

@callmeblast: Why does it matter? All 7 Current Sin would lose to SoSP Power Up Naruto or Sasuke alone.

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#38 Posted by ALMIGHTY (3278 posts) - - Show Bio

Naruto slaughters the verse. Also there’s only 1 QUESTIONABLE LS reaction feat in Naruto

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#39 Posted by deactivated-5c531df1eeb1f (1804 posts) - - Show Bio

@chaos239: I know, I said way earlier who would win.

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#40 Posted by linglung (2213 posts) - - Show Bio

@almighty: LoL....

Naruto can't solo the verse.. LoL..

He can solo this?? Yeah... 1 Bijuu RS is enough..

But solo the verse?? Nope...

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#41 Edited by ALMIGHTY (3278 posts) - - Show Bio

@linglung: And who in the Taizai verse can defeat Naruto ? He stomps all the god tiers

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#42 Posted by linglung (2213 posts) - - Show Bio

@almighty: 1 vs 1 / 1 vs Group = Naruto stomps all of them..

1 vs All??? With so many hax that NNT verse have?? No... he can't..

Naruto or sasuke Alone can't solo NNT verse,, but If they Together?? Hmm.. "Maybe" they Can...

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#43 Edited by SuperDragonfly9 (1087 posts) - - Show Bio

@rowso77: But you arent specific. Is this Obito Fight BSM Naruto + Senjutsu Susanoo Sasuke VS Current Meliodas + Ban ? If so Team Naruto due to featless Meliodas. If you are using Six Paths Naruto + Rinnegan Sasuke then it's gonna get locked because that is spite. The two ninja in the final power ups can one shot the verse.

BM Naruto + EMS Sasuke would be better fight

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#44 Posted by Kallinalli (135 posts) - - Show Bio
@almighty said:

@linglung: And who in the Taizai verse can defeat Naruto ? He stomps all the god tiers

If Meliodas becomes the Demon King then he solos.

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#45 Posted by ALMIGHTY (3278 posts) - - Show Bio

@linglung: Okay I re word my statement, Naruto can solo anyone in the Taizai verse.

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#46 Posted by ALMIGHTY (3278 posts) - - Show Bio

@almighty said:

@linglung: And who in the Taizai verse can defeat Naruto ? He stomps all the god tiers

If Meliodas becomes the Demon King then he solos.

What feats does the DK have to say he can defeat Naruto

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#47 Posted by linglung (2213 posts) - - Show Bio

@kallinalli: BSM naruto is enough to defeat Demon king meliodas..

@almighty: Ok...

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#48 Posted by Kallinalli (135 posts) - - Show Bio

@linglung said:

@kallinalli: BSM naruto is enough to defeat Demon king meliodas..

@almighty: Ok...

speed difference is too much Meliodas can throw 1000 attacks in the time it takes a mach 1000 character to react

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#49 Posted by ALMIGHTY (3278 posts) - - Show Bio
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#50 Posted by linglung (2213 posts) - - Show Bio

@kallinalli: Sorry for my bad english

1. Scan meliodas throw 1000 attack please and who is character that have mach 1000??...

2. Kyuubi Bijuu dama speed can across a country in a second (madara and kyuubi vs hashirama).. yet by feat Juubi bijuu dama speed >>> kyuubi and hachibi bijuu dama speed (Kyuubi and Hachibi vs Juubi).... and BM Naruto easily react to Juubi Laser bijuu dama speed..

3. BM naruto kick or deflect 5 mountains buster and overpower 7 mountains buster casually.. and he tank Juubi Laser BD (Easily large island to small country level)

4. KCM Naruto tank Juubi tenpenchi (large island to small country level) while protect 50.000 shinobi and no one death or injuried

So..

Speed: im sure BM Naruto already as fast or maybe faster than meliodas (blitz or outspeed 5 bijuu dama and react to juubi bijuu dama),, and BSM Naruto easily keep up and react to Juubito speed

Attack and durability: BM Naruto easily have Large island level attack + durability by rral feat,,, while BSM Naruto easily cracked Juubito Gudou dama shield, the same shield that can tank 4 juubi dama explotion

Jutsu: Bunshin and tactic or surprise attack (he is the only one person who can trick so many shinobi inside his verse,,from Zabuza on beginning series to Kaguya on End of Series)

The conclution is: BSM Naruto will defeat meliodas with low diff while BM Naruto will be a good match for him