Meliodas runs Saiyan Saga Gauntlet.

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Round 1: Gohan

Round 2: Raditz

Round 3: Nappa

Round 4: Goku

Round 5: Vegeta

Rules;

  • Meliodas is at his peak.
  • Only Manga feats for the Saiyans. No anime feats.
  • Equal energies.
  • Fight to death.
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#3  Edited By AnimeFreak1  Online

Meliodas clears the gauntlet with ease

He has higher AP than them

Greater speed

Greater hax

Etc

Fight me

I WILL debate you on this

Playing devil advocate

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Stops at Round 2.

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Clearly AnimeFreak is being sarcastic with that response but I'll play the double devil's advocate:

Planet Level Raditz solos the verse.

Really though, anyone here solos NNT lmao.

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@animefreak1: Whats Meliodas’ AP and Speed and whats Raditz AP and Speed.

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Troll thread, anyone in the gauntlet solos SDS

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@animefreak1: Bruh Planet Raditz solos the verse, NNT fodder small country level 🗿.

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How tf Raditz and sayan saga Gohan solo NNT? Mad cringe

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Meliodas clears the gauntlet with ease

He has higher AP than them

Greater speed

Greater hax

Etc

Fight me

I WILL debate you on this

Playing devil advocate

You must be sure of yourself to believe that Meliodas, a large island/small country level guy at best, can beat someone who STOMPED moon busters WITH EASE. Raditz NO SOLD A MOON BUSTING KAMEHAMEHA. Meliodas CAN'T TANK a moon busting Kamehameha, without turning into dismantled molecules...unless you can show Meliodas tanking a moon busting attack, and him being relativistic, he gets blitzed and oneshotted by Raditz. Naturally, no hard feelings, just telling you that only in fanfictions Meliodas clears this gauntlet with "ease". Unless you were joking tho...

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Big mismatch here

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stops at -1.

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The result is still this, for NNT:

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The result is still this, for NNT:

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He isn’t even required. 23rd budokai Tien is enough.

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@animefreak1: Whats Meliodas’ AP and Speed and whats Raditz AP and Speed.

Whats Meliodas’ AP

Can scale in the Planetary range as he was able to swap hands with the Demon King ( and stronger than him in his True Magic Form ) who has a Planet-Large Planet AP feat of creating a Planet ( the Demon World ) and it also consistent cause the Supreme Being created the Angel Realm, and it also consistent cause Meliodas could swap hands with Cath Pulong who had the power of Chaos, who created Planer Earth.

Chaos created the Earth and Demon King, Supreme Deity each created 1 Planet Sized Realm/Dimension

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and Speed

At least FTL+ just massively scaling above Even the fodder Angels who have shown Relativistic-LS speed feats such as reacting to Light Particles

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Stated to be Light Particles and shown to refract GG

whats Raditz AP and Speed

You asking for my opinion? Planet level and Relativistic+

I have just prove Mel has higher AP and speed

What your rebuttal? 👁

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#17  Edited By Morningstar999

@animefreak1 said:
@whatamiseeing said:

@animefreak1: Whats Meliodas’ AP and Speed and whats Raditz AP and Speed.

Whats Meliodas’ AP

Can scale in the Planetary range as he was able to swap hands with the Demon King ( and stronger than him in his True Magic Form ) who has a Planet-Large Planet AP feat of creating a Planet ( the Demon World ) and it also consistent cause the Supreme Being created the Angel Realm, and it also consistent cause Meliodas could swap hands with Cath Pulong who had the power of Chaos, who created Planer Earth.

Chaos created the Earth and Demon King, Supreme Deity each created 1 Planet Sized Realm/Dimension

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and Speed

At least FTL+ just massively scaling above Even the fodder Angels who have shown Relativistic-LS speed feats such as reacting to Light Particles

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Stated to be Light Particles and shown to refract GG

whats Raditz AP and Speed

You asking for my opinion? Planet level and Relativistic+

I have just prove Mel has higher AP and speed

What your rebuttal? 👁

Creation=/=Destruction. Meliodas never busted a planet or scale to anyone who busted a planet, you posted cringe, no one in NNT, bar maybe Chaos(and it's not sure), is planet level. Don't see any FTL feats there, just wank. Please, by your logic Naruto would be solar system level and MFTL if you have Meliodas at FTL and planet level(I know you once called Kaguya Multiversal LOL), so, no my dear. Post feats of him scaling above people who BUSTED A MOON ON PANEL/SCREEN. If not, he gets fodderized, simple. Relativistic moon buster still oneshots😁

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@animefreak1 said:

Meliodas clears the gauntlet with ease

He has higher AP than them

Greater speed

Greater hax

Etc

Fight me

I WILL debate you on this

Playing devil advocate

You must be sure of yourself to believe that Meliodas, a large island/small country level guy at best, can beat someone who STOMPED moon busters WITH EASE. Raditz NO SOLD A MOON BUSTING KAMEHAMEHA. Meliodas CAN'T TANK a moon busting Kamehameha, without turning into dismantled molecules...unless you can show Meliodas tanking a moon busting attack, and him being relativistic, he gets blitzed and oneshotted by Raditz. Naturally, no hard feelings, just telling you that only in fanfictions Meliodas clears this gauntlet with "ease". Unless you were joking tho...

You must be sure of yourself to believe that Meliodas, a large island/small country level guy at best

Massive lowball bruh

can beat someone who STOMPED moon busters WITH EASE. Raditz NO SOLD A MOON BUSTING KAMEHAMEHA.

Fodder feats to Mel

Meliodas CAN'T TANK a moon busting Kamehameha, without turning into dismantled molecules unless you can show Meliodas tanking a moon busting attack.

Mel Durability scales to his AP so he tanks it just fine and Goku doesn't have the power to vaporize someone into molecules at this point.

and him being relativistic

He blitzed lighting in the first few chapters which calced at Relativistic iirc

he gets blitzed and oneshotted by Raditz

Other way around

Naturally, no hard feelings, just telling you that only in fanfictions Meliodas clears this gauntlet with "ease". Unless you were joking tho

Do you know what devil advocate is?

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Meliodas utterly pwns Gohan

hmmm... didn't Raditz tanked a blasted at later vaporized a moon...that might be a little above Meliodas paygrade.

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@animefreak1: How does creation relate to AP. Creation is not attacking. We never saw DK create a planet who knows how long it took or do you have a time frame.

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@morningstar999:

Creation=/=Destruction.

Creation actually takes more energy than destruction so no

Meliodas never busted a planet

DC=/=AP

or scale to anyone who busted a planet

Scales to multiple characters who created Planets

you posted cringe,

Subjective

no one in NNT, bar maybe Chaos(and it's not sure), is planet level.

False, multiple feats in AP say otherwise as I have shown

Don't see any FTL feats there, just wank.

Then debunk the feats I showed. You can't claim it wank then not back it up

Please, by your logic Naruto would he solar system level and MFTL

Naruto isn't on this so irrelevant. Red Herring Fallacy

if you have Meliodas at FTL and planet level(I know you once called Kaguya Multiversal LOL),

Poisoning the well

so, no my dear. Post feats of him scaling above people who BUSTED A MOON ON PANEL/SCREEN.

If you wanna go purely off of DC feats, Raditz best DC was busting 2 small Mountains. AP is a thing

If not, he gets fodderized, simple. Relativistic moon buster still oneshots😁

Funny thing is I scale Raditz above where you put him

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Isn’t angry baby Gohan > Raditz ?

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@animefreak1: How does creation relate to AP. Creation is not attacking. We never saw DK create a planet who knows how long it took or do you have a time frame.

How does creation relate to AP

It takes more energy to create than it does to destroy

Creation is not attacking

Correct

We never saw DK create a planet who knows how long it took or do you have a time frame

Standard battle assumptions would come into play then

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Chaos solo DB

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#26  Edited By Bossmountain

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Isn’t angry baby Gohan > Raditz ?

nope

Gohan710Vol. 17, #199
Gohan (Enraged)1,307Vol. 17, #203
Gohan (Normal)1Vol. 17, #203
Raditz1,500Daizenshuu 7

plus the kid got no combat experience or real knowledge on how to use his powers. so it wildly fluctuate from just human level to moon buster level.

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@animefreak1: Does it take more energy to create than destroy? If thats the case wouldn’t we see destruction feats not planet level but relative to their level of strength.

If I may ask What standard battle assumptions. If DK is creating thats not a battle.

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#28  Edited By Morningstar999

@mevbi said:

@morningstar999: Raditz literally died from Piccolo's attack

Not the blast that busted the moon, the Makankosappo which is>>moon busting attack from Piccolo, therefore a greater attack in Attack Potency. Ignoring Raditz who tanked a moon busting Kamehameha from Goku, who was slightly stronger than Piccolo at the time? Makankosappo>>moon busting ki blast. I have an hard time believing that Meliodas attacks are even remotely comparable to Goku's Kamehameha, much less Piccolo's Makankosappo.

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This thread is funny

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@whatamiseeing said:

@animefreak1: How does creation relate to AP. Creation is not attacking. We never saw DK create a planet who knows how long it took or do you have a time frame.

How does creation relate to AP

It takes more energy to create than it does to destroy

Creation is not attacking

Correct

We never saw DK create a planet who knows how long it took or do you have a time frame

Standard battle assumptions would come into play then

by that logic Kami and king Piccolo would moon level since Kami created a moon and King Piccolo is stronger than him.. but nope both city level.

creation =/= Destruction or Durability

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@bossmountain: Huh I used to think Raditz was 1200.

Even Raditz is an unskilled brute tbf

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@animefreak1: Does it take more energy to create than destroy? If thats the case wouldn’t we see destruction feats not planet level but relative to their level of strength.

If I may ask What standard battle assumptions. If DK is creating thats not a battle.

None ot them have any planet level feats, Meliodas was effecting Britannia, he is not planet level in anything. Just classic highball to make them stand a chance against DBZ charactere. Probably, he would say "Naruto oneshots the verse" if Naruto was in the gauntlet, hehe...

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@animefreak1: Does it take more energy to create than destroy? If thats the case wouldn’t we see destruction feats not planet level but relative to their level of strength.

If I may ask What standard battle assumptions. If DK is creating thats not a battle.

Does it take more energy to create than destroy?

Yes it does actually

If thats the case wouldn’t we see destruction feats not planet level but relative to their level of strength.

Because Attack Potency is a thing

If I may ask What standard battle assumptions

Basically, if we have no timeframe of how long something might have taken, we assume it took no less than an hour

If DK is creating thats not a battle

Because he uses the same energy he did to create for battle

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Powerscaling does the rest.

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@animefreak1 said:
@whatamiseeing said:

@animefreak1: How does creation relate to AP. Creation is not attacking. We never saw DK create a planet who knows how long it took or do you have a time frame.

How does creation relate to AP

It takes more energy to create than it does to destroy

Creation is not attacking

Correct

We never saw DK create a planet who knows how long it took or do you have a time frame

Standard battle assumptions would come into play then

by that logic Kami and king Piccolo would moon level since Kami created a moon and King Piccolo is stronger than him.. but nope both city level.

creation =/= Destruction or Durability

by that logic Kami and king Piccolo would moon level since Kami created a moon and King Piccolo is stronger than him

That perfectly fine, it consistent with weaker characters like Roshi busting the Moon anyways

but nope both city level.

Both of them by feats are definitely above City level

creation =/= Destruction

Creation takes more energy than destruction

or Durability

His AP scales to his durability so no

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#37  Edited By Morningstar999

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Powerscaling does the rest.

But of course, they'll highball Meliodas and NNT with non-existent feats, then DB is wAnKeD. Ironic...multiversal Kaguya left the chat.

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@whatamiseeing said:

@animefreak1: Does it take more energy to create than destroy? If thats the case wouldn’t we see destruction feats not planet level but relative to their level of strength.

If I may ask What standard battle assumptions. If DK is creating thats not a battle.

None ot them have any planet level feats, Meliodas was effecting Britannia, he is not planet level in anything. Just classic highball to make them stand a chance against DBZ charactere. Probably, he would say "Naruto oneshots the verse" if Naruto was in the gauntlet, hehe...

None ot them have any planet level feats

Multiple feats of creating Planets

Meliodas was effecting Britannia, he is not planet level in anything

Why are you ignoring AP here?

Just classic highball to make them stand a chance against DBZ charactere

Not highball cause I gave multiple consistent feats which you have not debunked

Probably, he would say "Naruto oneshots the verse" if Naruto was in the gauntlet, hehe...

Naruto has nothing to with this so stop bringing it up

Either debunk the points or I win the debate

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#39  Edited By Morningstar999

@animefreak1 said:
@morningstar999 said:
@whatamiseeing said:

@animefreak1: Does it take more energy to create than destroy? If thats the case wouldn’t we see destruction feats not planet level but relative to their level of strength.

If I may ask What standard battle assumptions. If DK is creating thats not a battle.

None ot them have any planet level feats, Meliodas was effecting Britannia, he is not planet level in anything. Just classic highball to make them stand a chance against DBZ charactere. Probably, he would say "Naruto oneshots the verse" if Naruto was in the gauntlet, hehe...

None ot them have any planet level feats

Multiple feats of creating Planets

Meliodas was effecting Britannia, he is not planet level in anything

Why are you ignoring AP here?

Just classic highball to make them stand a chance against DBZ charactere

Not highball cause I gave multiple consistent feats which you have not debunked

Probably, he would say "Naruto oneshots the verse" if Naruto was in the gauntlet, hehe...

Naruto has nothing to with this so stop bringing it up

Either debunk the points or I win the debate

I still don't see them busting planets, or moons. I still don't see moon level feats for Meliodas, Raditz scales above someone with moon busting feats, feats>statements which don't tell me ANYTHING. I bring in Naruto as an example for your...rather noticeable "highball" of the series, won't bring him in again, my apologies. Meliodas has no feats or scaling that would let him compete with Piccolo, much less Raditz. He still stops at 2. On any other place, this would have been called spite multiple times over, and this with all reasons, an huge mismatch.

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@mevbi said:

@morningstar999: Raditz literally died from Piccolo's attack

Not the blast that busted the moon, the Makankosappo which is>>moon busting attack from Piccolo, therefore a greater attack in Attack Potency.

Which...really doesn't mean much since it killed Raditz nonetheless

Ignoring Raditz who tanked a moon busting Kamehameha from Goku, who was slightly stronger than Piccolo at the time? Makankosappo>>moon busting ki blast. I have an hard time believing that Meliodas attacks are even remotely comparable to Goku's Kamehameha, much less Piccolo's Makankosappo.

Huh? Is this what you call a moon level attack?

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This explosion is below BoS Sins tier.

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Meliodas stomps them. He's more like Frieza tier.

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Incase y'all did not read it... MANGA FEATS ONLY. NO ANIME BULLSHIT. NO ANIME FEATS WHATSOEVER EVEN CANON ONES.

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#44  Edited By Morningstar999

@mevbi said:
@morningstar999 said:
@mevbi said:

@morningstar999: Raditz literally died from Piccolo's attack

Not the blast that busted the moon, the Makankosappo which is>>moon busting attack from Piccolo, therefore a greater attack in Attack Potency.

Which...really doesn't mean much since it killed Raditz nonetheless

Ignoring Raditz who tanked a moon busting Kamehameha from Goku, who was slightly stronger than Piccolo at the time? Makankosappo>>moon busting ki blast. I have an hard time believing that Meliodas attacks are even remotely comparable to Goku's Kamehameha, much less Piccolo's Makankosappo.

Huh? Is this what you call a moon level attack?

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This explosion is below BoS Sins tier.

Are...are you genuinely serious? You DO know, that Piccolo's ki blast is inferior to Goku's Kamehameha right? You DO know, that by that logic SSB Goku is building level, right...? Piccolo busted the moon with a power level of 400 or something, and Raditz is 1200 or above...? Or do you think that Piccolo's blasts magically turned weaker against Raditz? Raditz still solos, and so does that "BOS sins tier" attack LOL. We are suddenly ignoring AP now lol...

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@wot_m8: I only use manga feats. What do you think I am ?

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@morningstar999:

I still don't see them busting planets, or moons.

Then give me Raditz busting a Moon or Planet

I still don't see moon level feats for Meliodas

Still don't see any Moon level feats for Raditz

Raditz scales above someone with moon busting feats

Meliodas scales to people with Planet level feats

feats>statements

True but statements are valid too. Also, the dimensions themselves existing is already a feat anyways

which don't tell me ANYTHING

What doesn't?

I bring in Naruto as an example for your...rather noticeable "highball" of the series

It still poisoning the well and a red herring so it has no relevance here

won't bring him in again, my apologies.

We good

Meliodas has no feats or scaling that would let him compete with Piccolo, much less Raditz.

Literally fighting guys with better feats than Raditz

He still stops at 2. On any other place, this would have been called spite multiple times over, and this with all reasons, an huge mismatch.

I can tell you're not a bad guy ( seeing as you apologized and all ) so I will say this nicely, you haven't debunked any of my points still so that would mean I won via burden of rejoinder here.

That how debates work

So GG

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#47  Edited By WhatamIseeing

@animefreak1: why would we assume anything. If we have no knowledge on the subject then its not a fact but an opinion or feeling.

Assuming is making stuff up.

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@whatamiseeing:

why would we assume anything. If we have no knowledge on the subject then its not a fact but an opinion or feeling

Occam Razor would come into play then bruh

Assuming is making stuff up

Not necessarily no

You also have failed to debunk my points so are you conceding or..........

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Angry Baby Gohan's headbutt would paste Meliodas what is this madness LOL

Gets oneshotted every round

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