MELINDA MAY & GRANT WARD VS NATASHA ROMANOFF & STEVE ROGERS

Melinda and ward are assigned to bring Roger and Romanoff in because SHIELD thinks they are dangerous.

Cap And Natasha know that shields after them, but they don't know Wich agents

Melinda and ward have 1 day prep.

Cap and Natasha have no prep, but are expecting shield to attack them.

I don't know what Team 1 can bring with the prep. Barring that, Team 2.

Steve solos... It can be argued that May could get the Beserker staff in prep time but that was lost in a collapsing building (not to mention Steve can knock it out her hand with his shield).

Steve solos

May and Ward are very, very good. That said, they're seriously outclassed here. They *might* be able to take in Widow if they have a clever ambush and double team her. Even that big an advantage won't help them with Cap. Against both heroes, I'm afraid they get stomped.

I don't see Ward or May being able to bring anything with prep that could beat Steve. If anything, they would want a big team just to even think about taking him on. Steve should honestly solo.

Cap took on nine highly trained S.T.R.I.K.E. agents from S.H.I.E.L.D., including Crossbones, by himself and in an inclosed space, so while May and Ward might be able to take on Widow together, I can't see them being much of a match for Cap.

Cap solos. Widow could take either 1v1.

Cap Solo Stomps; Then takes May out for a nice dinner date.

widow is not taking grant or may in h2h. i know i will get crap for this. but may and ward's h2h feats are much better than widows.

with prep may and ward can easily take widow. if berserker staff was allowed ward might be able to take cap but they lose hard without it.

@nerdchore: Not giving you crap for it, since it's purely opinion, I just disagree. Widow may not have as many showings but she has solid showings against aliens and opponents like Bucky who are above her physically and in Bucky's case better skilled than her too.

There's also a bit of allowable ABC logic since it's a shared universe: if May and Ward were SHIELDs top agents they'd be paired with the Avengers as opposed to Nat and Clint.

@granitesoldier: aliens were fodder and widow did not nothing but sneak up on bucky. May and ward have suoerpowered beings hydra soldiers and even enchantresses sister. natasha may be the top agent but thats because her spy and decieving capabilitites not necessarily h2h expert. she doesnt have a lot of showings where mae and grant have more. assumed she wins. By showing of feats i dont believe she does.

Only way May/Grant could take Cap is with the Berserker Staff. Without it, Steve takes them both at the same time.

@nerdchore: She was also smart enough to exploit Bucky's, who was essentially shown as superhuman, one vulnerability by shutting down his arm. She wouldn't go head on against Cap, why would she against Bucky? She knew she wouldn't stand a chance. So she fights smart. She also beat Barton, while both were likely holding back. The Chitauri were also superhuman enough to make Cap struggle with their strength, so fodder or not they are above anything May or Ward has fought.

In fact the only notable fighters May and Ward have really fought are May and Ward. You can argue most of the guys they come across in AoS are fodder.

@nerdchore: The aliens were so much fodder they were pushing the Avengers onto the ropes. Cap was slowing down. They hurt Iron Man and Hulk. The Chitauri were a cut above Hydra agents.

Team 2.

Steve can solo.

Honestly, May and Grant COULD win this if they are allowed to grab any and all weapons they ever exhibited in the show. If not, they lose to Cap by himself.

Widow could take them both after a long and intensive battle and steve could take them in 3 mins. He took 7 of shields agents including someone who I would rank grant level in a elevator.

@batd12345678: Regarding the elevator scene in Cap 2... I honestly think that environment gave Cap an advantage over the Shield agents, tbh. It's still a good showing for Cap but his feats against Bucky, Chitauri and the few strength feats we've seen from Age of Ultron trailer are better, IMO.

As I said before, the only way Grant or May could hope to take on Cap is with the Berserker staff and even then it's debateable.

The only way that Ward and May would stand a chance is if they had the Berserker Staff.

Black widow is like a gnat flying in a fight between Mike Tyson and Holyfield. The gnat can choose help either of them, but don't will make any difference.

Steve solos 7-8/10 (Elevator Scene, This is all)

I'm fairly sure that quite a few, if not all of the guys in the elevator with Cap Strike team Delta. In other words, elite S.H.I.E.L.D operatives who go on missions with Steve, Natasha and Clint on the regular, they were high level agents. This doesn't mean they are on par with Ward/May, but if Steve can beat down eight of those guys in painfully close quarters, there's no way they can beat him.

Basically, Steve solos.

@granitesoldier: In the cavalry episode (Season 2 ep 17 "Melinda") Coulson gives the Avengers job to Melinda May. As the repercussions of that episode however, May requested transfer to desk duty.

Widow was quite literally, the second choice in this matter.

With prep, they have a LOT of resources to call on. Each have taken on and fought superhumans h2h and won. Without prep, Cap would roll them. With it they feasibly take him down. They were specialists on the premier team in the world, and combined, have faced off against as many supers as the entire Avengers roster. Widow is a factor, but not a game changing one. Either one of the other team is capable of taking her on. Neither of them can take cap on though. But with prep...they have a lot going for them.

@rogueshadow: Grant Ward took on a shield strike team consisting of 12 level 5 tactical agents in full kit...Body armor and submachine guns, in close quarters. Cap was impressive, no doubt, and I am not arguing that Ward can beat him in a fight...but if that is the logice you are using, then Ward has cap matched for that feat...at least.

Ward doesn't have Cap matched for that feat. Ward shoots the first six agents and then just barely manages to take out the remaining level five agents, many of whom attack one at a time, it's a great feat, but they are level five and there are six of them. The guys Cap was fighting were, in my opinion, the elite of S.H.I.E.L.D. based on the fact that a few of them were definitely Strike Team Delta, obviously Crossbones and a few others who can be recognised from the opening sequence, meaning they fight alongside Clint, Natasha and Steve and that they were sent to take Cap in in the first place, you don't send anybody but the best to take down Captain America. Plus they had the magnetic clamps and shock-sticks, whereas Grant's enemies were going in hand to hand.

Yea cap just makes this un winnable. There is pretty much no equipment they can get there hands on in time to take him down. Widow gets handled by either may or ward. If they got more time I could see a scenario where they get berserker staff, icers rounds and mag cuffs but cap still takes it 8/10

@rogueshadow: No it's comparable because they were in full kit. They didn't come in h2h. Ward split them up and disarmed them. Watch the fight...they come in shooting. Strike team Delta is a hydra unit...it's members were chosen largely not on their skills necessarily, but on their loyalty to Hydra.

This is just one of those things where it's a wasted argument though I think. It doesn't matter how good we think the feats are in comparison to each other, neither of us thinks it means he can fight cap, so we are mostly wasting words here. lol. The nature of the feat doesn't really change the match outcome.

Strike Teams were elite units, this unit worked with Widow and Steve, they were high-tier. S.H.I.E.LD. agents, while, yes, they were Hydra, they were the equivalent of S.H.I.E.L.D. Special forces. I know they didn't come in h2h, that's what I said, he shoots the first six.

Fair enough.

The rest don't use guns, only h2h.