Melee Fight: All Might vs Genos

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#1  Edited By jashro44

All Might

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Genos

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Rounds

  1. No weapons at all for Genos
  2. Genos can use CQC weapons built into his body

Rules

  • In character
  • No prep
  • Win by any means except BFR
  • All Might is in his prime/best we've seen him
  • Genos is limited to melee combat so no incineration cannon.

Location

  • Begin visible
  • Begin 50 feet apart
  • Unpopulated
  • Fight takes place here:
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Who wins and why?

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#2  Edited By eriel

Genos isn't beating All Might in a punching contest, his best bet would be his arm blades, if that is allowed.

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@eriel said:

Genos isn't beating All Might in a punching contest, his beat bet would be his arm blades, if that is allowed.

In round 2 it is.

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Genos would be ripped apart. He can't take punches from someone who can create hurricane-like winds with a casual punch while holding back against children, weighted, and not in his prime. He's not slow like everyone says either. At least above mach 20. I'm not sure if Genos could get him with his blades.

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#5  Edited By AlphaQ

All Might is never tagging Genos, the guy can keep up with Garou who just previously deflected Death Gatling’s assault.

Round 1 could come down to simple attrition, I’m not sure Genos can hurt him. If this is All Might as we know him he probably gases out before Genos does. Prime All Might should scale to Shigaraki and his meme tier stamina, he would outlast Genos.

Round 2, Genos blinds him with his blades.

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#6  Edited By AGrape

If it's current genos then he stomps both rounds.

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Genos stomps he would have landed a thousand punches before All might even realised he’s in a fight he gets shredded

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All Might stomps 1st round, Genos has no way to even damage him.

Genos wins 2nd round more often that not due to blades and slightly higher speed.

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@agrape: Not only is that from Genos canons, but that is massively below All Might's feats.

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Geno's stmps lol

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#11  Edited By Bearderby

1st upgrade anti saitama Genos stomps

5th upg. Genos farts on him

round 2 just makes it worse

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It would certainly be better if all the people saying Genos stomps, would actually post feats, that equal or surpass what All Might has done.

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@ig-88b: No way is All Might mach 20 when he hasnt shown any reaction feat even close to mach 5 let alone 20. I've actually though All Might has supersonic combat speed (in the canon movie) from weeks back but it turns out the sonic booms were only from his impact not how fast he threw them.

Meanwhile, A holding back Genos Can even keep up with and tag a casual minigun-timer Garou. Garou was even fazed by his punches and even compared it to Tank Top Master's strength.The near 8ft tall Master can throw a multi-ton concrete rubble much larger than himself at supersonic speeds which is a city-block feat

R1: Genos blitzes and eventually overwhelms All Might with a flurry of punches. If All Might tries to punch the ground or do an AOE, Genos would see that coming from miles away thanks to his far superior reaction speed

R2: Genos blitzes and stomps via Electro voltage discharge

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@eriel said:

It would certainly be better if all the people saying Genos stomps, would actually post feats, that equal or surpass what All Might has done.

Meanwhile, those who say All Might stomps have yet do so.

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@eriel: But Bakugo's explosions made All Might bleed before and they are far weaker than that casual blast from Genos

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No way is All Might mach 20 when he hasnt shown any reaction feat even close to mach 5 let alone 20. I've actually though All Might has supersonic combat speed (in the canon movie) from weeks back but it turns out the sonic booms were only from his impact not how fast he threw them.

In that same film Deku was able to move fast enough that the air around him burned up which is a hypersonic feat that puts him around space shuttle speeds. Deku casually dodged automatic rifles as well. All Might should be faster of course.

Meanwhile, A holding back Genos Can even keep up with and tag a casual minigun-timer Garou. Garou was even fazed by his punches and even compared it to Tank Top Master's strength.The near 8ft tall Master can throw a multi-ton concrete rubble much larger than himself at supersonic speeds which is a city-block feat

I don't find the rubble feat as impressive as All Might casually blowing a whole street away while he's pretty much play fighting. Tanktop Master was doing his best there whereas All Might was barely trying.

Genos not being allowed to use his cannons also reduces his mobility since those help him move so quickly.

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@ig-88b: His soeed feats there are mainly due to him wearing full gauntlet. And here's the thing, Deku's speed feats in the canon movie is pure PIS because there's no proof the full gauntlet he wore increases speed

But Genos punched Garou with less effort than TTM and not to mention Genos is MUCH faster and versatile compared to master

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All Might is several orders of magnitude stronger and tougher than Genos. But Genos is much faster. Either a stalemate or All Might eventually one shots.

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@nwname: Genos hits just as hard as TTM accoridng to Garou. He'll get All Might down after several strikes

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@muhdsyarif: TTM's striking is still several orders of magnitude weaker than All Might's. He can't do anything to All Might either.

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@ig-88b said:

In that same film Deku was able to move fast enough that the air around him burned up which is a hypersonic feat that puts him around space shuttle speeds. Deku casually dodged automatic rifles as well. All Might should be faster of course.

Jumping Speed and Bullet Timing =/= Hypersonic+ Combat and Reaction Speed.

OT:

There's literally nothing restricting Genos from his webcomic feats. Sure, this will be a fair fight back in the day, but unfortunately, you'll have to nerf Genos a lot more. He was most recently able to:

  • Tag Black Sperm(Dragon) with no hands. Something Atomic Samurai's Mach 900+ strike failed to do.
  • Tag Fuhrer Ugly(Dragon), who can react to Amai Mask, who can also tag Black Sperm.
  • Able to not get blitzed by Flashy Flash, who has feats ranging from High MHS+ to LS-Relative.
  • These feats seem surprising, but ONE confirmed Genos is powerful, even among the S-Class.

Yeah no, even Mach 20 is nothing to current Genos. He takes both rounds.

Edit- Sorry for all the tags, ig lol.

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@nwname: Genos is more than fast enough to blitz All Might. And has Arm-Blades in R2. Does that change anything?

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@logiclancer: @logiclancer: None of those feats have been performed in the webcomic. You are using manga feats and then scaling from the webcomic fight which doesn’t make sense. People barely have supersonic feats in the webcomic and even Boros and AG doesn’t have above city block level feats in the web comic lol. You have to wait for the manga fights if you want scaling.

Genos’ blades have never cut anything with pressure durability comparable to All Might so it should still be a stalemate.

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@alphaq: I just want to counter your Genos is faster than Garou point. He wasn't faster, Garou was getting massively weaker by the second from injuries and blood loss. Garou didn't deflect those bullets he used his body to knock them away and allow them to pierce non-vital areas.

When Garou goes doggystyle (lmao) it's clear that his speed is still above Genos.

On topic:

Since the post says the best we've seen All Might I'm gonna go with his U.A fight because he had the longest time and the theoretical flames of One For All most likely burned at its brightest.

Round 1 is All Might. One no serious air cannon should knock him down, a serious punch should destroy him.

Round 2 is 40/60 on Genos winning. I feel like if he doesn't get blitzed he'll stab All Might in a good spot.

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@nwname said:

@logiclancer: @logiclancer: None of those feats have been performed in the webcomic. You are using manga feats and then scaling from the webcomic fight which doesn’t make sense.

Sure. But how about FF's feats of punching Garou? And many webcomic feats exist in the manga, you know? Garou's gatling feat, Black Sperm blitzing AS, Fuhrer Ugly reacting to Black Sperm...

People barely have supersonic feats in the webcomic and even Boros and AG doesn’t have above city block level feats in the web comic lol. You have to wait for the manga fights if you want scaling.

I'll wait for Manga feats, but that will only make it worse, don't you think? Webcomic Scaling does exist in the manga.

Genos’ blades have never cut anything with pressure durability comparable to All Might so it should still be a stalemate.

I'm being genuine. Care to explain the science? Wonder Woman can take punches from superman but gets injured by bullets.

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@logiclancer: Those feats exist but they are not in the same league as their manga versions. FFs best blitz feat against AG is slower than the manga version of the minigun deflect so manga pre MA Garou > webcomic AG. Neither BS nor FU have good speed feats in the WC.

No it does not. IIRC in the webcomic Bug God was somewhat matching Bang. Does that mean Bang is high demon or low dragon?

You expect consistency from comics? They are written by dozens of unconnected authors. WW also occasionally has noticeable problems with 1000 ton feats. Cutting power = pressure and nothing is gonna change that and the sheer power from All Mights punches would generate immense pressure, more than any weapon of Genos shown so far.

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@nwname said:

@logiclancer: Those feats exist but they are not in the same league as their manga versions. FFs best blitz feat against AG is slower than the manga version of the minigun deflect so manga pre MA Garou > webcomic AG. Neither BS nor FU have good speed feats in the WC.

How fast were those two really? There's no clear calc for either of them, but Flashy Flash's is more impressive to me. Also, WB Garou did minigun-deflect.

No it does not. IIRC in the webcomic Bug God was somewhat matching Bang. Does that mean Bang is high demon or low dragon?

No he wasn't. The only thing was: He appeared behind Bang before an explosion came from Genos.

You expect consistency from comics? They are written by dozens of unconnected authors. WW also occasionally has noticeable problems with 1000 ton feats.

Cutting power = pressure and nothing is gonna change that and the sheer power from All Mights punches would generate immense pressure, more than any weapon of Genos shown so far.

Isn't there a difference between Blunt Force trauma and piercing durability?

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@logiclancer: FF's webcomic is 2000 hits/moves per second while manga Garou's minigun deflection is like 10 000 deflections/moves per second. WC minigun reflection has no indication of it having a higher fire rate than a real minigun while Manga death shower has like 10 cm between bullets and with ~1000 m/s muzzle velocity for an average minigun thats 600 000 rpm which is insane.

Its has been like 2-3 years so i dont remember much from it. My bad.

Yes there is. Blunt durability = Force | Piercing durability = Force/Area = Pressure but the force involved in All Mights hits is so high, even with the large area of impact it would have high piercing power.

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@hypnos0929: I never said that he was faster.

Genos wanted Garou to use that style to catch him like it did, because he used his detachable arms to briefly incapacitate Garou.

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@alphaq: That makes zero sense. Genos never saw Garou use doggystyle. If I remember correctly he never used that style until Genos.

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Toshi makes genos into modern art

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@hypnos0929: I might have worded that wrong. Once he saw the style, he let Garou rip his arm off. Of course he didn’t know he had that move set.

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@nwname: How about AM's weak spot? Webcomic Scaling still does exist in the manga. Manga Feats + Manga Scaling > Webcomic Scaling + Manga Feats if anything.

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#37 AlexTheBoss  Online

Allmight should win round 1, but Genos has a chance round 2 due to his superior speed and weapons.

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Round 1: All might should win

Round 2: Pretty sure Genos stomps

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@nwname: bro, blunt force equal to piercing is irrelevant in fiction.

Fiction follows the law of split durability unless the character in question has shown similar levels of durability

There are numerous characters in fiction that have great blunt force durability but poor piercing durability and vice versa.

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@alextheboss: R1: Genos wins eventually due to having ok attack potency and far superior speed since this is post G4 Genos

R2: Oh god, Genos literally has so many ways to kill All Might here. Genos 10/10

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@logiclancer: Boros's punch is a lot stringer than just city block level

his 2nd form can casually bust through his ship surface which can momentarily withstand a 70kg Saitama's relativistic moon landing thta should range in the petatons

Boros would turn All Might to mush with just a punch

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@muhdsyarif: Any material has “split durability” irl. But that can logically only be applied to a certain point even if we ignored more detailed parts. Cutting or piercing is caused by high pressures, higher the pressure higher the cutting ability. If you push a blade with 2 times more force it would cause 2 times the pressure, if you use a blade 2 times sharper that would also cause 2 times more pressure. And pressure = force/area so there comes a point where the sheer force difference overcomes the surface area difference. So while they are seperate they are not entirely unrelated.

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@nwname: But then how come BOS All Might's air pressure didnt harm any civillians within the surrounding area?

And about the force pressure thing, superhuman battle physics basically ignore the rules you mentioned. I've seen characters that can tank attacks that could obliterate huge chunks of rocks and never get a single cut but were effortlessly pierced by a regular arrow or knife. God of war ps4 and MHA is a good example of this

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@nwname: But then how come BOS All Might's air pressure didnt harm any civillians within the surrounding area?

And about the force pressure thing, superhuman battle physics basically ignore the rules you mentioned. I've seen characters that can tank attacks that could obliterate huge chunks of rocks and never get a single cut but were effortlessly pierced by a regular arrow or knife. God of war ps4 and MHA is a good example of this

If you want to claim All Might suffers from that problem you would have to prove it.

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@eriel: He has never tanked from getting pierced by a sharp attack before. Nuff said

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#46  Edited By eriel

@muhdsyarif said:

@eriel: He has never tanked from getting pierced by a sharp attack before. Nuff said

Do you understand how "piercing" attacks work?

"Piercing" attacks are just attacks concentrated in a small area, creating a higher amount of pressure.

An impact with 50 kg of force concentrated in an area of 1 cm² has less pressure and thus piercing power than an impact with 1000 tons of force concentrated in an area of 10 cm².

Speed and other factors also play a part in this, but this is kinda the really simplified version of this.

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All Might stomps him if this is just a punching match. In R2 Genos wins via blades weapons.

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R1, Genos wins a war of attrition against All Might who never tags him.

R2, Genos sticks All Might in place with his feet-glue, whips out all the blades, and slices him up.

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@eriel: All Might has zero resistance against bladed/cutting attacks such as Genos's bladed arms and Garou's whirlwind cutting fist, respectively.

Why would those numbers matter in a shonen or superhero protagonists when durability of their being tells those numbers to piss off and let their story dictate what can or cannot hurt them unless relevant proof was shown

And really, Show me a feat where All Might can actually withstand a direct piercing attack. Plenty of characters in fiction can get pierced by normal tools/attacks meant for piercing despite being able to to tank city-block+ level blunt/energy attacks

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@nwname: But then how come BOS All Might's air pressure didnt harm any civillians within the surrounding area?

And about the force pressure thing, superhuman battle physics basically ignore the rules you mentioned. I've seen characters that can tank attacks that could obliterate huge chunks of rocks and never get a single cut but were effortlessly pierced by a regular arrow or knife. God of war ps4 and MHA is a good example of this

Uhh... what does the first part have anything to do with the debate? Just because the event had the word pressure used during it you thought it was somehow relevant to this?

Pressure IS force/area. There is no other way around it, thats the most basic you can go. If a character tanks a quintillion ton punch but gets cut by a kitchen knife thats just an inconsistency. God of War has "game mechanics" and magic. Idk when that ever happened in MHA.