Round 1 - morals on
Round 2 - morals off
Start 30ft apart
Medusa vs Armor (X-Men)
Lmfaooooo...Armor bout to beat the breaks off of Medusa. Snatch that weave and choke her with it.... might beat her sisters ass too....
@marvelfan1992 Put respect on Hisako's name and give her a real fight...Medusa is a scrub
@ecstaticgrace said:
@koays: What’s Armor capable of?
@koays said:
@ecstaticgrace said:
@koays said:
@ecstaticgrace said:
@koays: is that really Armor’s best feat? I’m still not seeing how Medusa gets stomped
Nope, it's just to showcase her scale compared to Medusa.....Medusa just doesn't have anything to offer here
She routinely is paired off to fight against She-Hulk being said to rival a base She-Hulk’s physicals.
her hair has done stuff like break away at Emma Frost’s diamond form, crush and penetrate through Ironman armor/s, Bloodied up Black Bolt, and restrain a Savage She-Hulk is Armor really beyond all of that?
Lol, one of Armors first feats is tanking falling from the upper atmosphere of a planet...
She tanked a explosion that demolished part of a canyon and the X-Jet rocketting into her RIGHT after that...
Plus she KO'd Fing Fang Foom, and temporarily dropped a Fury.....Medusa can't take her offense and can't do any type of real damage
Hisako was amped during those feats. Her powers are connected to the memory of her deceased relatives and her mother and brother had just died giving her a boost when she fought FFF in Tokyo and saved the X-Jet on Monster Island.
She's not able to sustain that level of power regularly, and it nearly killed her.
@juiceboks said:
@koays said:
@ecstaticgrace said:
@koays said:
@ecstaticgrace said:
@koays: is that really Armor’s best feat? I’m still not seeing how Medusa gets stomped
Nope, it's just to showcase her scale compared to Medusa.....Medusa just doesn't have anything to offer here
She routinely is paired off to fight against She-Hulk being said to rival a base She-Hulk’s physicals.
her hair has done stuff like break away at Emma Frost’s diamond form, crush and penetrate through Ironman armor/s, Bloodied up Black Bolt, and restrain a Savage She-Hulk is Armor really beyond all of that?
Lol, one of Armors first feats is tanking falling from the upper atmosphere of a planet...
She tanked a explosion that demolished part of a canyon and the X-Jet rocketting into her RIGHT after that...
Plus she KO'd Fing Fang Foom, and temporarily dropped a Fury.....Medusa can't take her offense and can't do any type of real damage
Hisako was amped during those feats. Her powers are connected to the memory of her deceased relatives and her mother and brother had just died giving her a boost when she fought FFF in Tokyo and saved the X-Jet on Monster Island.
She's not able to sustain that level of power regularly, and it nearly killed her.
No the exploding canyon and X-Jet feat happened in Cable 2017 where a younger version of her then the one who fought Foom was recruited and took the same upgraded armor form as she did when she performed the Foom feat.
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@koays said:
@juiceboks: Yea, I know. She's done it a couple times I think, but the one im referencing is when Gideon sent it flying into her.
My points were to show the far greater feats of strength and durability then were presented by for Medusa....which were none.
Hisako consistently shows that whenever she's in a bind or angry she can kick into a much higher level power then her standard Armor, something that Cable kept hyping up during her appearance in his solo where among the other feats she went toe to toe with multiple External soul amped Gideon
Being a consistent match for She-Hulk physically and overpowering her in certain instances is well above what Armor is normally capable of. Most of the feats you referenced were performed under amped circumstances, not applicable to this fight. Her fight with FFF was specifically done while she was experiencing an influx of power from her recently deceased family, just because she made another large set of armor to perform a feat demonstrably inferior under a completely different writer doesn't make that power something she can consistently call upon.
She didn't go toe to toe with him actually, in fact he was never taking her or the rest of Cable's team seriously until he grew larger..the thing that you're claiming she consistently does but didn't even though she was scared for her life.
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I think you're seriously over-inflating Hisako's power here.
@juiceboks said:
@koays said:
@juiceboks: Yea, I know. She's done it a couple times I think, but the one im referencing is when Gideon sent it flying into her.
My points were to show the far greater feats of strength and durability then were presented by for Medusa....which were none.
Hisako consistently shows that whenever she's in a bind or angry she can kick into a much higher level power then her standard Armor, something that Cable kept hyping up during her appearance in his solo where among the other feats she went toe to toe with multiple External soul amped Gideon
Being a consistent match for She-Hulk physically and overpowering her in certain instances is well above what Armor is normally capable of. Most of the feats you referenced were performed under amped circumstances, not applicable to this fight. Her fight with FFF was specifically done while she was experiencing an influx of power from her recently deceased family, just because she made another large set of armor to perform a feat demonstrably inferior under a completely different writer doesn't make that power something she can consistently call upon.
She didn't go toe to toe with him actually, in fact he was never taking her or the rest of Cable's team seriously until he grew larger..the thing that you're claiming she consistently does but didn't even though she was scared for her life.
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I think you're seriously over-inflating Hisako's power here.
Again I've failed to see any evidence of being on par with She-Hulk in a as of yet unmentioned stat. The Canyon base being destroyed was by Ecstatic's admission greater then what Medusa is capable of durability wise.
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For the Gideon fight he had specifically punched her and given her a crack to her armor and she was right back up and fighting him. And to get Cable's team off of him he had to go to his full power because they were starting to beat the crap out of him, unlike Selene and the other Externals not long before....
And given that Longshot got right up afterwards, I'm pretty sure Hisako was just stunned....because mind you this happened immediately AFTER brawling with his cyborgs, tanking the base destruction in the canyon, and then the X-Jet flying into her.
I don't feel like I'm overstating Armor so much as I'm stating the case for her durability and offense against someone who no feats have been provided for to debate context or legitimacy. My case is that Armor is consistently stronger then Medusa and if pressed can reach even higher levels of power.
Meanwhile the case for Medusa is a feat from A-Forces with dubious canon, a feat against Emma Frost that is most definitely an outlier, and a vague comparison to She-Hulk....all with no evidence to support it.
I'm basically debating against a ghost....
@koays: hey bighead
@malachi_munroe said:
@koays: hey bighead
Oh f*ck no
Armor will lose just like the other x-men girlies did
@kasya_carey said:
A fall from the upper atmosphere.. is like building level. I'm pretty sure Medusa cracking Emma scales way above that.
Medusa cracking Emma is a low outlier for Emma's durability. She can't go from out tanking Colossus against WWH and Celestial powered lasers to cracking from hair.
@ecstaticgrace said:
@koays: You never asked for feats so I didn’t know you needed them you kind of just dismissed the mentions for whatever reason.
1.) You’re A-Force claim of it not being cannon is weird because thats never even stated I could understand why you’d say it in regards to the Secret Wars title but that wasn’t obviously what I was referring to.
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2.) It’s straight up stated I don’t see why it’s something to dispute her being on par with She-Hulk given A-Force consistently established it throughout the 2016 series by Kelly Thompson. It wasn’t anything new either.
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3.) Theres also the fact she threw around Anti-Matter a character who was stomping on the A-Force with her hair. Restrained a Savage She Hulk. Through around Hercules and penetrated through one of Ironman’s armors. Since you’re saying I don’t showcase anything yet you didnt ask for feats before hand I’ll do the pleasure of doing so now.
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I didn't mean to dismiss. I just expected a response at some point inthe back and fourth...specifically on the She-Hulk thing considering I was arguing the case with scans.
1- That's my mistake, I was under the assumption that Singularity was only present in the original Battleworld title
2- I don't see anything that makes her comparable to She-Hulk other then a minor scuffle.... so I'm not moved as much by it. My opinion specifically was on her durability and not being able to take Hisako's offense
3- If your making claims about a character while also challenging another character, I would expect it to be obvious that evidence of your statements should be included. Especially when I specifically said "Medusa rivaling She hulk in durability is kinda ridiculous and I don't believe it at all....maybe offensively but otherwise no" And then you agreed and conceded the point.
If you still felt that she was as durable as She-Hulk and it was a deciding factor in the fight, then I would expect some type of evidence to support it.
All that being shown still leads me to believe Hisako to be a winner in this fight, her size manipulation combined with her offensive strikes and durability would make me continue to support her in a fight.
I would however add in Hisako's armor claws that allowed her to cut and pierce Danger at range when she restrained her.
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