The Warrior's Three aren't skilled enough. Asgardian's best possible piercing durability feats are being bulletproof. Cap has cut through materials that were bulletproof with his shield on a number of occasions. He can one shot them. T'Challa could probably solo.
The Warrior's Three aren't skilled enough. Asgardian's best possible piercing durability feats are being bulletproof. Cap has cut through materials that were bulletproof with his shield on a number of occasions. He can one shot them. T'Challa could probably solo.
Way too far, Cap can't oneshot some humans like Batroc or Crossbones.
Warriors three depends on scaling off of Frost Giants. If they are equal to Sif or Loki then they would win. Little scratches from Vibranium won't kill them.
Way too far, Cap can't oneshot some humans like Batroc or Crossbones.
So we are just supposed to ignore all his feats? I'm very tired of people trying to use those as low showings. Him not one shotting Batroc either means that Batroc is durable enough to tank his hits or he was holding back.
He was definitely holding back against Crossbones in the elevator fight and in their other fight Batroc had a cybernetic suit to help him.
To my knowledge none of the Warriors Three have feats to suggest they can withstand this.
From a piercing perspective the Warriors are bulletproof to low level bullets at best and this Bot tanked bullets just fine.
From a blunt force perspective I don't think any of them have durability far beyond this.
Cap split the thing clean in two. They have no feats to prove they can survive and since the OP says bloodlusted Cap will use his best attacks on them.
Way too far, Cap can't oneshot some humans like Batroc or Crossbones.
So we are just supposed to ignore all his feats? I'm very tired of people trying to use those as low showings. Him not one shotting Batroc either means that Batroc is durable enough to tank his hits or he was holding back.
He was definitely holding back against Crossbones in the elevator fight and in their other fight Batroc had a cybernetic suit to help him.
To my knowledge none of the Warriors Three have feats to suggest they can withstand this.
From a piercing perspective the Warriors are bulletproof to low level bullets at best and this Bot tanked bullets just fine.
From a blunt force perspective I don't think any of them have durability far beyond this.
Cap split the thing clean in two. They have no feats to prove they can survive and since the OP says bloodlusted Cap will use his best attacks on them.
Asgardians and Frost giants have literally no sold caps shield already.
Really think people are underestimating the asgardians here. In agents of shield we saw a bookish hardly physically impressive asgardian stop ward from stabbing him close up, which showed impressive reaction time, and bend the steel knife with one hand in a casual fashion.
And that was a bog standard normal asgardian who had been pretending to be human for ages. Not off fighting constant battles and training like the warriors 3.
Given normal asgardian physicals are beyond even superhuman the warriors 3 could be considered elite and as such significantly above the supersoldiers.
Way too far, Cap can't oneshot some humans like Batroc or Crossbones.
So we are just supposed to ignore all his feats? I'm very tired of people trying to use those as low showings. Him not one shotting Batroc either means that Batroc is durable enough to tank his hits or he was holding back.
He was definitely holding back against Crossbones in the elevator fight and in their other fight Batroc had a cybernetic suit to help him.
To my knowledge none of the Warriors Three have feats to suggest they can withstand this.
From a piercing perspective the Warriors are bulletproof to low level bullets at best and this Bot tanked bullets just fine.
From a blunt force perspective I don't think any of them have durability far beyond this.
Cap split the thing clean in two. They have no feats to prove they can survive and since the OP says bloodlusted Cap will use his best attacks on them.
Cap knocking around Ultron bots means nothing, their skin is stronger than whatever metal Ultron bots are made of. It takes Asgardian metal to cut them. Scaling them to either Sif or Loki tells us that. I can show you feats for Sif to prove this if you want, or even other Asgardians in Agents of SHIELD, who have grabbed knives with their bare hands on earth and have strength feats massively above Cap's. There was also a deleted scene in Thor 1 when Volstagg casually picks up a car like it's nothing. But yeah Cap is not one-shotting any Asgardian. That is just silly. Batroc being durable enough to take his hits is a problem, because Asgardians have superhuman durability.
Just look at their fight with Frost Giants. They were wrecking them. Yet when Cap fought one of the smallest, weakest frost giants (Loki) he got wrecked and could not even move Loki with his hits. He is not one shotting an Asgardian, and I don't even think he could beat an Asgardian warrior.
He didn't knock it around he cut it in two and it has as good feats as the Asgardian's in terms of durability.
their skin is stronger than whatever metal Ultron bots are made of.
Not really, their feats are similar. That Bot took a hit from Mjolnir that launched it 30-40 feet with no damage.
It takes Asgardian metal to cut them.
Just because they have only been cut by Asgardian metal doesn't mean its the only thing that can cut them. You're not gonna convince me that Vibranium can't cut through them when it has cut through things with better feats.
Scaling them to either Sif or Loki tells us that.
Sif is fine but I don't thing they should be scaled to Loki. Maybe in universe they are supposed to be on the same level, maybe not. But Loki has far greater feats. From doing well against a holding back Thor, to being exposed to the side of the Bifrost which decapitated a dragon, to tanking the Bifrost explosion.
I can show you feats for Sif to prove this if you want
I believe I'm aware of the feat you are referring to. It was when some guy shot a shotgun at her right? 1 it looked more to me like it hit her armor. 2 I doesn't matter since the shield has cut things that can tank shotgun fire.
or even other Asgardians in Agents of SHIELD, who have grabbed knives with their bare hands on eart
I don't classify that as above tanking bullets.
and have strength feats massively above Cap's.
I believe their best strength feat was ripping off the door of a jell cell. That's impressive but cap ripping apart Ultron bots that are more durable than regular materials is at least close imo.
Those bots could effortlessly no sell bullets.
And survive this.
I think this shows they are more durable than regular metals yet Cap ripped them apart.
He also threw Ultron through a concrete pillar. And no I don't buy that somehow Ultron's momentum accounted for the majority of the force. And he threw a motorcycle hard enough to lodge into an armored vehicle and stop that vehicles forward momentum. And no I don't buy that Steve used the force of the motorcycle(even though the motorcycle had stopped moving) at all. All of those feats are on par or better IMO. I do think you can give the Warriors Three the strength advantage Because of Sif's feat of moving an RV..
There was also a deleted scene in Thor 1 when Volstagg casually picks up a car like it's nothing.
Awesome. Cap overpowered and ripped apart robots than can overturn cars. As I said above I will give them the strength advantage due to Sif's feat. But lifting a Car is something I see Cap very much replicating.
But yeah Cap is not one-shotting any Asgardian.
Based on feats I'd disagree.
That is just silly
No its not. I'm judging this based on feats. Maybe that's not how it should go. Maybe in universe this wouldn't happen. But from a feat perspective Cap has one shot things as durable as them.
Batroc being durable enough to take his hits is a problem,
No its not. I'm sorry but this seems like low balling to me. As I said either Batroc is durable enough or Cap was holding back/not giving his all. It seems to me you have decided to ignore all of Cap's feats because of one instance with Batroc. He has feats to show he can take down the Asgardian's therefore he does.
because Asgardians have superhuman durability
Cap has one shotted superhumans without his Shield.
Now that doesn't mean that Cap can one shot the Asgardian's without his shield but you're argument doesn't work.
Just look at their fight with Frost Giants. They were wrecking them. Yet when Cap fought one of the smallest, weakest frost giants (Loki
The frost Giants were inconsistent. Also I don't buy that Loki was weak for a frost giant. Small sure but I don't think they are stronger and more durable than him.
and could not even move Loki with his hits.
Looks like he moved to me.
He is not one shotting an Asgardian
If you believe that than okay. But from what I've seen yes he is. He's bloodlusted and has a weapon that has allowed him to not just kill but literally, cut in two people at least similarly durable to the Asgardian's!
I don't even think he could beat an Asgardian warrior.
You are entitled to you're opinion. However, you haven't convinced me at all. You're argument seems primarily hinged on 1 Steve losing to someone who has far greater feats than them(Loki). And 2 Cap not one shotting a peak human. Which you have therefore used as if it somehow discredits all of his other feats. I'm not unwilling to give the Asgardian's the victory but they currently lack the feats imo. Maybe in universe they win with ease but from a feat perspective none of them can take a bloodlusted Cap's shield attacks. They just don't have the feats.
He didn't knock it around he cut it in two and it has as good feats as the Asgardian's in terms of durability.
their skin is stronger than whatever metal Ultron bots are made of.
Not really, their feats are similar. That Bot took a hit from Mjolnir that launched it 30-40 feet with no damage.
It takes Asgardian metal to cut them.
Just because they have only been cut by Asgardian metal doesn't mean its the only thing that can cut them. You're not gonna convince me that Vibranium can't cut through them when it has cut through things with better feats.
Scaling them to either Sif or Loki tells us that.
Sif is fine but I don't thing they should be scaled to Loki. Maybe in universe they are supposed to be on the same level, maybe not. But Loki has far greater feats. From doing well against a holding back Thor, to being exposed to the side of the Bifrost which decapitated a dragon, to tanking the Bifrost explosion.
I can show you feats for Sif to prove this if you want
I believe I'm aware of the feat you are referring to. It was when some guy shot a shotgun at her right? 1 it looked more to me like it hit her armor. 2 I doesn't matter since the shield has cut things that can tank shotgun fire.
or even other Asgardians in Agents of SHIELD, who have grabbed knives with their bare hands on eart
I don't classify that as above tanking bullets.
and have strength feats massively above Cap's.
I believe their best strength feat was ripping off the door of a jell cell. That's impressive but cap ripping apart Ultron bots that are more durable than regular materials is at least close imo.
Those bots could effortlessly no sell bullets.
And survive this.
I think this shows they are more durable than regular metals yet Cap ripped them apart.
He also threw Ultron through a concrete pillar. And no I don't buy that somehow Ultron's momentum accounted for the majority of the force. And he threw a motorcycle hard enough to lodge into an armored vehicle and stop that vehicles forward momentum. And no I don't buy that Steve used the force of the motorcycle(even though the motorcycle had stopped moving) at all. All of those feats are on par or better IMO. I do think you can give the Warriors Three the strength advantage Because of Sif's feat of moving an RV..
There was also a deleted scene in Thor 1 when Volstagg casually picks up a car like it's nothing.
Awesome. Cap overpowered and ripped apart robots than can overturn cars. As I said above I will give them the strength advantage due to Sif's feat. But lifting a Car is something I see Cap very much replicating.
But yeah Cap is not one-shotting any Asgardian.
Based on feats I'd disagree.
That is just silly
No its not. I'm judging this based on feats. Maybe that's not how it should go. Maybe in universe this wouldn't happen. But from a feat perspective Cap has one shot things as durable as them.
Batroc being durable enough to take his hits is a problem,
No its not. I'm sorry but this seems like low balling to me. As I said either Batroc is durable enough or Cap was holding back/not giving his all. It seems to me you have decided to ignore all of Cap's feats because of one instance with Batroc. He has feats to show he can take down the Asgardian's therefore he does.
because Asgardians have superhuman durability
Cap has one shotted superhumans without his Shield.
Now that doesn't mean that Cap can one shot the Asgardian's without his shield but you're argument doesn't work.
Just look at their fight with Frost Giants. They were wrecking them. Yet when Cap fought one of the smallest, weakest frost giants (Loki
The frost Giants were inconsistent. Also I don't buy that Loki was weak for a frost giant. Small sure but I don't think they are stronger and more durable than him.
and could not even move Loki with his hits.
Looks like he moved to me.
He is not one shotting an Asgardian
If you believe that than okay. But from what I've seen yes he is. He's bloodlusted and has a weapon that has allowed him to not just kill but literally, cut in two people at least similarly durable to the Asgardian's!
I don't even think he could beat an Asgardian warrior.
You are entitled to you're opinion. However, you haven't convinced me at all. You're argument seems primarily hinged on 1 Steve losing to someone who has far greater feats than them(Loki). And 2 Cap not one shotting a peak human. Which you have therefore used as if it somehow discredits all of his other feats. I'm not unwilling to give the Asgardian's the victory but they currently lack the feats imo. Maybe in universe they win with ease but from a feat perspective none of them can take a bloodlusted Cap's shield attacks. They just don't have the feats.
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Does this not convince you that they are just on a different level than Cap? Asgardians, physically, are on par with Frost Giants, people who Cap would get stomped by. Most people know this, I don't really think it even requires going back and forth with a bunch of feats. You're comparing them to metal robots, they are way better than that.
I am trying to show you that Asgardians and Cap are on two different levels, entirely. A weak frost giant like Loki absolutely stomped Cap and was far above him physically to the point that Cap could not hurt him. Yet the Warriors three stomped Frost Giants much stronger than Loki. Loki barely even fights them physically, he prefers to use illusions in the video I posted. Lorelei in Agents of SHIELD sends a man flying backwards with a tap. The other Asgardian I posted grabs a knife and bends it with his bare hands. Asgardian metals are stronger than Earth ones. Vibranium probably can cut as Asgardian, but you have to remember that it is an alien metal.
I don't see Cap one-shotting anyone on the level of an Asgardian.
PS- I never said anything about Ultron's momentum or Vibranium anyway
To my knowledge none of the Warriors Three have feats to suggest they can withstand this.
Those bots were made out of paper. They weren't designed for combat; they were designed to help protect and reassure endangered civilians-as we see at the start of Age of Ultron. Heck, one of them (the one that Ultron later used in his first body) was seriously damaged by a molotov cocktail lol.
If the Bots were designed for combat, then why didn't Tony have them fighting alongside the Avengers right from the start of the battle?
From a piercing perspective the Warriors are bulletproof to low level bullets at best and this Bot tanked bullets just fine.
In fact, we see the bot's head get knocked back by the bullets, which once again shows how pathetically weak it is.
From a blunt force perspective I don't think any of them have durability far beyond this.
That's far from being Thor's best hit. There's no reason to think any of the Warriors Three couldn't take that. Volstagg tanked being whacked in the face by the Destroyer and survived a direct hit from the Destroyer's disintegration beam. Do you think Cap could survive that?
Does this not convince you that they are just on a different level than Cap?
As I already said I will give the Warriors the strength advantage. Due to Sif's feat and as someone mentioned above I think Volstagg overpowered a bunch of Asgardian guards something I don't see Cap doing.
I am trying to show you that Asgardians and Cap are on two different levels, entirely. A weak frost giant like Loki absolutely stomped Cap and was far above him physically to the point that Cap could not hurt him.Yet the Warriors three stomped Frost Giants much stronger than Loki. Loki barely even fights them physically, he prefers to use illusions in the video I posted.
As I have said I don't think Loki is weaker than a regular Frost Giant. I don't think him using illusions is enough. He may be small but he is Laufey's son. Frost Giant royalty. I don't see regular Frost Giant's replicating his feats.
Also as far as the Frost giant comparison. I don't think that works either. I've shown Iron Legion bots tanking hits from Thor that seem just as powerful as the ones that killed Frost Giants.
Neither of those are Thor's best hits but they don't seem visually that different in power. Yet those bots got up whereas the Frost Giant was ice shards.
Lorelei in Agents of SHIELD sends a man flying backwards with a tap. The other Asgardian I posted grabs a knife and bends it with his bare hands. Asgardian metals are stronger than Earth ones. Vibranium probably can cut as Asgardian, but you have to remember that it is an alien metal.
I've already given the Warriors Three the strength advantage. I'm aware that Asgardian metal is likely stronger than real world metal.
I don't see Cap one-shotting anyone on the level of an Asgardian.
Well as I said you are entitled to you're opinion. However, that argument can only really be made with a lot of scaling that I don't really think works. It seems we primarily just have a difference of opinion on how to scale the Asgardians to Loki.
Warriors Three win. I think the Loki and Cap fight is a rough estimate on how these teams match up, though the nanotech vibranium suits make this fight closer.
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