MCU's top Sorcerers vs Harry Potter's top Wizards

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Poll MCU's top Sorcerers vs Harry Potter's top Wizards (74 votes)

Harry Potter Wizard's team 23%
MCU's Sorcerer's team 77%
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Who wins, MCU's or Harry Potter's top wizards?

Harry Potter's wizards team:

1. Albus Dumbledore

2. Lord Voldemort

3. Gellert Grindelwald

4. Severus Snape

5. Filius Flitwick

6. Minerva McGonagall

7. Bellatrix Lestrange

MCU's sorcerers team:

1. Doctor Strange

2. The Ancient One

3. Ebony Maw

4. Loki

5. Kaescillius

6. Mordo

7. Wong

Win by any means. Both teams have perfect teamwork and knowledge on eachother's abilities and feats.

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The Harry Potter team. If nothing else they could use the killing curse.

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Seriously? MCU team stomp.

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Killing curse is their only chance.

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#4  Edited By anthp2000  Moderator

The MCU team due to the 3 high tiers. But the HP team could each handle the others.

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Can definitely go either way. HP wizards especially top 3 on the list are FAST and deadly as hell. They can teleport around in a blink of an eye and spam death curses that are VERY hard to escape or dodge. Though an argument can be made that Strange or other sorcerer can bfr them all to mirror dimension where Kaescillious and Ancient One can basically reality warp, or that Strange can just stop the entire fight with time stone or that Ebony Maw will be able to just explode all of their brains with a hand gesture. There are definitely cases to be made for both teams. ill pass voting for now.

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Strange solos

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Strange should solo

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MCU Team wins quite easily.

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Dr Strange and Maw are the only threats. As powerful as they are, I'm leaning towards the HP team. They are much more versatile, they can teleport around, shield themselves, transfigure their opponents, etc. Four of the seven will also very willingly use the Killing Curse.

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Strange solos

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HP team has full knowledge? They stomp then. They will know to target Strange from the start b4 he unlocks the eye, everyone else is going down to Avada Kedavras instantly.

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@turr: i wouldnt call it a stomp. Though I agree AK curse is overpowered as hell because its instant one shot that goes through shields and stuff - I doubt it will affect Loki at all. Loki is a god after all and Avada Kedavra only works on humans and minor animals. All magical beasts were either immune completely or were barely damaged by it. iirc Hagrid tanked avada kedavra with little damage because he has blood of giants in him, and proper giants and dragons were able to completely no-sell it. Loki as a god should be able to ignore it.

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MCU stomps.

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@xmangog__beastx: how? HP team is much faster with instant teleport, and can one shot almost anyone with Avada Kedavra before they can cast their spells. How is this a stomp by any means? Even if you wanna make the case for MCU to win eith some strategy, this is a high diff fight anyway

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@comicgirl21: Hagrid never tanked a Killing Curse, he no sold several stunning spells at once.

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MCU curbstomps

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Marvel Sorcerers stomp

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Loki have fun killing the harry Porter wizards. Dr strange can solo too

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@dami24434: Dr. Strange can't solo at all, I'd argue Grindelwald can beat him on his own.

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#20  Edited By ourmanuel

@hittheassasin: depends on whether or not the HP team can dissapparate back from the mirror dimension.

OT: I’ll go with HP. Most of the MCU sorcerers are unimpressive and would only have a solid victory with BFR. HP team could just imperius a few of them.

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#21  Edited By Daisy_Johnson

HP team easily lmao!!!

The only one on the MCU side of things that can even remotely do anything at all against Dumbledore, Voldermort, and Grindelwald is The Ancient One. Doctor Strange is not at that level yet, nor are the rest of them. I don't see how TAO can hold those 3 off while her team is still getting hammered by the other 4.

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@dami24434: Loki is a joke. Illusion casting is his speciality. Oblivate or levicorpus wrecks him

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@ourmanuel: agreed. Mordo is featless, TAO is beast only in mirror realm but in prelude comic she is beast a little, Wong sucks in magic, Dr strange is beast but too slow and uses more power or tricks than brain.Kaecilius is the fiercest with Maw. Most powerful is Grindenwald by feats and young dumbledore is impressive too. Imagine Quennie fighting and her instant predicting powers

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Strange solos. Maw could solos, maybe.

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it's funny how users in this thread take the time to agree with each other fanboy claims.

OT: mcu wizards stomps

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#26  Edited By HitTheAssasin

@ourmanuel: I highly doubt Strange could even get them in there in the first place, all of the Wizards can teleport after all.

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@ffp: No, they really wouldn't. Both Maw and Dr. Strange would lose to Grindelwald alone, neither of them have any chance at soloing.

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@danielai: very unlikely. They are far from being impressive. Only kaecilius with maw are tought opponents.

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@danielai said:

it's funny how users in this thread take the time to agree with each other fanboy claims.

OT: mcu wizards stomps

I'm an MCU super fan and even I know better to know when we're out matched hard!

At least OP didn't make it a complete stomp and include freaking Credence ffs.

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@daisy_johnson: nah d only thing that the harry potter team have in their arsenal that could do any damage is imperius curse or avada kedavra but avada kedavra was blocked by inanimate objects and imperius was not used on anyone with loki powerset who ignore explosions. the MCU team are faster and have variety of ways to win that it is indeed a stomp

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The MCU team wins.

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@danielai said:

@daisy_johnson: nah d only thing that the harry potter team have in their arsenal that could do any damage is imperius curse or avada kedavra but avada kedavra was blocked by inanimate objects and imperius was not used on anyone with loki powerset who ignore explosions. the MCU team are faster and have variety of ways to win that it is indeed a stomp

Uh-huh, because leveling city blocks, destroying mountains, and dissipating people to dust aren't good enough feats..... wait.... the last one sounds a little familiar for the good old Doctor xD

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@daisy_johnson: if you're referring to gellert showing of fiendfye it's a bigass attack that any wizard here can avoid and one(Loki) can no-sell. ancient one and kaecilius is what is needed here the rest can have a nap for all the care the HP wizards can give them

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@danielai said:

@daisy_johnson: if you're referring to gellert showing of fiendfye it's a bigass attack that any wizard here can avoid and one(Loki) can no-sell. ancient one and kaecilius is what is needed here the rest can have a nap for all the care the HP wizards can give them

His Fiendfyre was so much stronger and faster than we've seen before. Also it's blue fire which is significantly more energy and heat output that red fire if we're going to apply science to this. I don't know if the HP accounts for that, but no..... Loki cannot tank blue fire. Also no not all the Wizards were able to avoid it. All but 4 died in that encounter, one of them was out of the way and the other was a no-mag who Grindelwald wanted to live to prove his own point. Meaning he chose who lived and who died.

His reaction times are too fast.

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@daisy_johnson: loki cannot tank it based on what. loki tanked the bifrost explosion if iirc was far stronger than fiendfyre and also in infinity war the power stone explosion that destroyed the asgardian ship did nothing to their corpse. Also all MCU wizards save loki and maw have sling ring which mean they can also teleport and this is not accounting for their shields which strange was briefly able to use to stop dommuranu blasts and protect himself and others from re-entry

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They all get imperiused tbh

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#37  Edited By Daisy_Johnson

@danielai said:

@daisy_johnson: loki cannot tank it based on what. loki tanked the bifrost explosion if iirc was far stronger than fiendfyre and also in infinity war the power stone explosion that destroyed the asgardian ship did nothing to their corpse. Also all MCU wizards save loki and maw have sling ring which mean they can also teleport and this is not accounting for their shields which strange was briefly able to use to stop dommuranu blasts and protect himself and others from re-entry

The Power Stone explosion was weird one. It's hard to say with the Bifrost as it's been inconsistent. If used properly it shouldn't do damage, if used wrongly it's been shown to be quite destructive which is yet another reason it requires a gatekeeper. As for the blue fire, I am assuming that it's a hotter flame based on real world physics. The energy output would be pretty insane, it instantly dissipates those it touches. It doesn't burn them, it instantly turns them to dust as if you were too close to a hot star, much hotter than the small one Thor tanked in Infinity War.

As for Sling-rings. They need to make portals and it has a charge up time. Many of the Wizards can teleport instantaneously, multiple times per second as they do in both Fantastic Beasts films. A few Aurors can be spotted doing it iirc. They are much faster than any of the MCU spellcasters with only TAO maybe being able to keep up.

Here's Grindalwald reacting to an attack without even thinking about it. Subconscious awareness. Tina performed the same feat saving her and Newt when they escaped and she tied up Newt's brother.

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Then there's this which should straight up kill half that list if it hits.

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Unfortunately I cannot find the gifs I really want to post as there are much better feats in the new movie.

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@daisy_johnson: that's impressive but it pales when compared to loki casually arrow-timing and also the power stone as thanos used it instantly vaporized the surface of a moon there is no arguing which is better. In summary;

1. what's stopping loki from spamming illusion and stopping the wizards

2. Maw from just dis-possessing them of their wands as well saw her can use it directly when he moved cull. battle forums rule say they get basic knowledge

3. the ancient one, kaecilius and strange from dumping them in the mirror dimension

4. Lastly strange portals can be instanteneous as seen when he teleported spidey to attack thanos

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@danielai: Umbridge casually arrow timed and all the wizards scale above her.

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MCU wizards, solidly.

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@americanspeeddemon: That’s not how feats work. Just because we all know Dumbledore is above Umbridge doesn’t mean you can apply Umbridge’s feats to him. Same goes for every other wizard on this list.

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@keenko: yeah but skilled duelist should have reactions faster than Umbridge who isn't noted to be a skilled duelists.

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@danielai said:

@daisy_johnson: that's impressive but it pales when compared to loki casually arrow-timing and also the power stone as thanos used it instantly vaporized the surface of a moon there is no arguing which is better. In summary;

1. what's stopping loki from spamming illusion and stopping the wizards

2. Maw from just dis-possessing them of their wands as well saw her can use it directly when he moved cull. battle forums rule say they get basic knowledge

3. the ancient one, kaecilius and strange from dumping them in the mirror dimension

4. Lastly strange portals can be instanteneous as seen when he teleported spidey to attack thanos


1. Nothing is stopping Loki from spamming illusions, however I find it very difficult that the Wizards will be fooled by them. At least the top 3. Snape will likely easily catch on with the illusions and start casting curses making them vanish or marking them to make the others aware, McGonagall debatably won't get fooled either.

2. I highly doubt Maw could take their wands from them, especially not at all at once. Maw was good, but not good enough to even TK his environment fast enough to stop his ass getting thrown out of an air lock, and you think he could pull that off against 7 wizards? Maw had an impressive fight showing and then written out to be a chump later. The entire Black Order was disappointing and toned down to not take the focus away form Thanos. They had some amazing feats but they kinda were a let down. I think Maw is one of the MVP's on the MCU team, but I don't think he's going to stomp like you seem to think. The Wizards in the 2 Fantastic Beast films modified their environments on larger scales than he did.

3. Nothing, that's why TAO is valuable. Though with both sides having knowledge can some of the Wizards get out? How effective will it be to trap them in? This one is a bit of a tricky one considering why didn't

4. They still need to physically go through them. It's a 2 step process and it's hella slower than what the Wizards can do.



Here's a few questions for you.


1. What feats does Loki really have that proves he can take on the top 3? He's got brains but he tends to lose most of his battles, I can only think of two that he actually won off hand. Against Cap, and against Kurse.

2. Would Dumbledore's Phoenix make a difference? After all it will show up.

3. What happens if killing curse is cast? I don't recall dispels being a thing in the MCU, I do believe TAO is capable of it in regards of her knowledge of healing. However I would wager she's the only one capable of it. That said if she's the first to go, the MCU team is done imo.

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@daisy_johnson: dispossessing the wizard is something even and untrained tk user can do and we say maw was very precise and skilled with it. he had no problem stopping strange from using the eye. To your questions

1. Saying loki lost all his fights is to ignore the fact that all his opponents Thor,hulk will stomp any HP wizard

2. not much difference to the outcome of this match

3.Apart from loki it may be enough to one-shot the MCU magic users but they have ways to avoid it such as using shields which they mostly do. what of just b'fring the curse and sending it back. Also since this is in character only 3 of them here will be using it

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MCU team.

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HP team should take it.

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HP wizards are a joke Strange alone can stomp them

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#50  Edited By eslay03  Online

You really could argue either way, but Strange should make his team win 7/10 times

MCU 7/10