MCU: Which feat is better?

Thanos destroying Tesseract or Hela destroying Mjolnir.

Hela did it with magic, but Thanos did it with strength.

Thanos.

Hela's unless I'm missing something. What feats does the Tesseract have for durability?

Also its disappointing to still read headcanon about Hela using magic when that was never even implied.

Mjolnir's more durable so that I suppose

@amcu: Hela's overall power literally increases with magic (Asgard being a source of almost unlimited power), so it's debatable how much of her power is "natural". If it's true that her magic blades damaged uru, then using the same magic channeled through her hand to break Mjolnir sounds consistent. Breaking Mjolnir has a ton of questions around it because Hela doesn't do anything close ever again, even when shes supposed to be much more powerful on Asgard, making it a possible outlier. Her magic could be like Wanda's which can allow her to damage most known materials. If no armor is strong enough to protect anyone from her, then her title as the Goddess of Death makes a lot more sense.

I mean the tesseract itself just serving as a shell for the infinity stone. I don't know how impressive that is really.

@rebake said:

Don't know about this. You could describe Thor's power the same way given that Odin can simply strip his powers away and make him basically an ordinary mortal, but I don't think anybody would claim that Thor doesn't have any strength, just magic. Hela did not have any low showings of strength to make the Mjolnir showing seem inconsistent and she manhandled Thor so I think it was pretty clear she was physically stronger than him. This just kind of feels like lowballing to me

@rebake:

Hela's overall power literally increases with magic (Asgard being a source of almost unlimited power), so it's debatable how much of her power is "natural".

I don't recall it ever being noted as magic and if we go by this logic we can say that all of Thor's strength feats are magic as well. If your point is just that they are magical beings and everything they do is magic than that's possible since they're abilities haven't been fully explained. It doesn't really matter though.

If it's true that her magic blades damaged uru, then using the same magic channeled through her hand to break Mjolnir sounds consistent.

The problem is that this was never remotely indicated at any level at all. She squeezed her hand and Mjolnir went pop. That's what we see. Loki also notes that Hela is "stronger" than both he and Thor because she "broke his hammer like a piece of glass." and specifically notes that Thor has no chance due to that reason. Loki doesn't mention anything about her using some special magic power that only works on weapons.

Breaking Mjolnir has a ton of questions around it because Hela doesn't do anything close ever again, even when shes supposed to be much more powerful on Asgard, making it a possible outlier. Her magic could be like Wanda's which can allow her to damage most known materials. If no armor is strong enough to protect anyone from her, then her title as the Goddess of Death makes a lot more sense.

Yeah no that doesn't work IMO. Hela barley has any feats at all and all of them are outright or borderline effortless. She effortlessly destroyed Mjolnir. She effortlessly overpowered Thor with one hand on at least 3 occasions. She never showed any signs of difficulty doing anything in the film IIRC.

A feat can only be dismissed if it either clearly wasn't intended, doesn't make sense or has something that contradicts it. We know this feat was intended and was clearly used to portray how powerful Hela was as is reinforced in the film. There's nothing that makes it illogical since Hela is portrayed as being monstrously powerful and scoffs at weapons like the casket of Ancient winters. It's not contradicted since Hela shows no limitations in the film outside of dying to Surtur. The feat can't be dismissed.

@amcu: It is not headcannon. She obviously has a connection with it and if she was that strong, she would have immediately killed Thor when fighting him.

It is headcannon since that's never implied. We know that she wielded the hammer. There's no indication that she has some special ability to destroy it. Her doing so is also specifically referenced as evidence of her extraordinary strength in the film.

Hela had the opportunity to kill Thor multiple times. She didn't because she was enjoying herself.

How durable is the Tesseract?

@goldeneagle: it’s not head canon? Post the image or video that says she used magic then.

I think it required 42,000 tons of grip strength to break iirc

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Or this

A Scientist Calculated "Thanos crushing the Tesseract" - Gen. Discussion - Comic Vine (gamespot.com)

@amcu: She was fully serious on the bridge after he awakened his powers and he was still able to fight her.

@goldeneagle: They barley make physical contact during that fight and we never see her attempt to crush his skull and fail or anything of the nature. The only times we've seen physical interactions between them have been her effortlessly overpowering him with one hand.

Hela's feat is one of the most ridiculous strength feat in the mcu so Thanos crushing the tessaract doesn't compare.

@rebake:Hela's overall power literally increases with magic (Asgard being a source of almost unlimited power), so it's debatable how much of her power is "natural".

how does magic increasing her strength take away from it being a feat of strength? Lol.

Hela's.

Hela’s

@webinyoureye11: We can all agree Hela's feat is more impressive of the two when comparing overall power. However, I don't believe it's a natural feat of strength like Thanos's. Could be magically enhanced strength or the same magic used for her blades. Hela's strength so much ridiculously higher than any other Asgardian, that claiming it's natural is like saying Steve Rogers is not enhanced with the serum and normal people can achieve his stats with training. I don't remember it ever being confirmed that MCU Asgardians become stronger with age. In fact, that seems to not be the case at all looking at Thor's parents. Could Hela just have been born that much more powerful than Thor? Well, considering how Odin changed Loki with magic, it's more likely he would've done something to Hela early to make her into a weapon.

Thor's strength is most likely naturally achievable for an Asgardian since Valkyrie is basically Thor minus lightning powers and special hammers. She can ko Loki and unbalance Hulk, all without weapons. Maybe not his exact equal but on a level where they're not stomping each other in pure h2h. There is no Asgardian to date that is anywhere close to Hela in physical strength. The massive difference probably has to do with magic, and it doesn't contradict anything.

@rebake: headcanon

Hela is simply that strong, lol