MCU What-ifs: Scarlet Witch vs TVA, Kang and Alioth

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#1  Edited By Limitless82

THE WHAT-IF SCENARIO:

Wary of how powerful the MoM Scarlet Witch has become, Kang decided to come to Earth with his ENTIRE TVA legion and Alioth to arrest and kill SW as a dangerous variant. They get one hour of prepping and planning. No timeline erase, Kang's target is strictly Wanda herself.

Through Darkhold, Wanda has also learned about TVA's existence and that they are responsible for pruning all the timelines of her with actual children! She became enraged the moment she sees the TVA coming after her, she vowed to destroy them all to free her alternative children. Scarlet Witch has no prep but is on peak form and bloodlusted.

Standard knowledge for both sides. SW can only get to Kang the big boss after defeating everyone else.

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Solos the fodder human agents

TPs Alioth just like Sylvie & Loki did

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scarlet witch in a mismatch

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#5  Edited By rajjarsalt  Online

If var. Kang gets the feats of He Who Remains, that would make him impossible to defeat since he'd know everything Wanda will do before she does it. But if he's not allowed to erase timelines then we have no idea of his capabilities, and Alioth is pretty much irrelevant since that's what he does lol

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TVA Neg diffs, completely different scope of power.

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TVA and Alioth lost to Loki and Sylvie lol. Kang might solo though by hype.

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Wanda can win via tp. If she doesn't use it Alioth eats her. Literally. Kang can probably solo to

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Wanda solos but if Kang doesn't want that to happen, then it doesn't happen.

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#11  Edited By EmmaFrostXmen

@thanos524: anyone that goes near her will get controlled with telepathy including alioth. they have no win condition therefore it fits the criteria to be considered a mismatch.

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We don't know Kang's true abilities as we've only seen a mentally bonkers he who remains. TVA and Alioth get trashed but Kang should destroy her by statements. Again, we've never seen him though so impossible to know.

Scarlett Witch destroys the TVA and Alioth though for sure

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TVA is way beyond SW. Unless we are assuming Kang/The TVA isn't the TVA/Kang and doesn't control time.

Everything that happens in the MCU, including Wanda's powers in MoM happened with the permission/control of whoever is in control of the TVA right now/whichever Kang won the new multiverse war.

Whoever controls the TVA is basically the MCU version of omniscient. This fight only happens under the watch of Kang. So by default, it plays out under a scenario where he wins.

Are we ignoring implication and canonical power scaling here?

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#15  Edited By Thanos524

@luminoushydra: What am I not understanding about no win condition?

Can someone explain to me how how the omniscience/timeline control of Kang/the TVA isn't part of this battle? This isnt specified in the OP and I can't find anything in the rules about a no win condition.

The way you describe the battle dismisses the role the leader of the TVA has over space and time.

Wanda can't time travel. So as soon as this battle plays out, or as soon as Kang/the TVA decides to hunt Wanda, she's toast. Kang just manipulates/manages the flow of time until the scenario in which she's defeated occurs.

And are we sure we can just assume Wanda can TP a universe consuming entity? Sylvie and Loki enchanted it/pacified it long enough for just to get by. And even still, there's context. He Who Remains created the path/series of events that lead them to him, including everything going right for them to accomplish the combined feat against Alioth..something He Who Remains LET happen. Wanda's one TP feat in MOM isn't close to the Alioth feat (which had context) and we can't just scale TP because Wanda is overall more powerful. Are we to assume Wanda's energy projection is more powerful than Thor's just because she's a more powerful character?

It's not reasonable to assume she can just pacify it...and if she can, that certainly doesn't mean she can kill it, or defeat it

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Overall, is the assumption here that since there's no timeline pruning, Kang/TVA CANT manipulate time/use their universe consuming weapons?

If that's the case, this thread is Wanda vs Fodder/combat fearless Kang....which, shouldn't even be a thread unless there's an agenda to have Wanda defeat the most powerful force in the MCU lol

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#17  Edited By darkphantom9895  Online

Aloith 1 shots he’s multiversal the only reason he was beaten in Loki is because he who remains let that happen he was in full control until Loki and them got to his office which he allowed himself to die to