MCU Vision vs. CW Firestorm

Morals off for Firestorm

Who wins?

vs.

Vision

Vision with mid diff. What is Firestorm's best feat?

Vision. Firestorm isn't durable. One blast from vision would kill him.

MCU Vision stomps.

Vision

Vision takes this

@wallywest042: @cosmic_templar:

Vision with mid diff. What is Firestorm's best feat?

Firestorm's best feat is probably transmuting a large series of bullets being rapidly fired mid-air using an AoE Blast. This feat proved Firestorm was 4-5x faster than bullets just based on his movement in relation to the bullets, and he already had a .004 second reaction feat. More importantly, it showed he had readily employable and ranged transmutation abilities, in an AoE format no less.

Vision. Firestorm isn't durable. One blast from vision would kill him.

He's pretty durable, he tanked a fall at a height that was at least enough to reach terminal velocity, and that's a ton of force being induced on him. A much lesser fall gave someone like MCU War Machine a life-threatening concussion and permanent bone injuries. He also tanked being knocked clean through concrete bleachers, though that's not quite as impressive. He doesn't really have many feats of durability against piercing damage, but he has blunt force locked down. Beyond either however, is a high immunity to energy-based attacks due to absorbtion. He has already shown immunity to laser blasts against Vandal Savage's soldiers, albeit less concentrated ones than Vision's blast. However, he also absorbed a Nuke without too high difficulty, which is much, much more energy than Vision's blast.

I actually think Morals Off Firestorm has this one pretty thoroughly locked down, without too much difficulty. Vision's only ranged attack is his laser blast, and I think given his other feats Firestorm can fairly easily absorb this attack. Vision's gonna have trouble getting physical with Firestorm, given Jax is much, much faster. He'll fly circles around Vision. More importantly, Morals Off Firestorm will immediately jump to trasmutation, and there's nothing Vision can really do to defend against this. Firestorm can react much faster and transmute Vision from a range using the same blast he did to transmute the bullets. Density-Shifting will only make it easier for Firestorm by placing the atoms in a state of flux, making them much easier to transmute. Regardless of how Vision shifts he's still made of atoms, just differently arranged ones, so intangibility is completely useless. Morals Off Firestorm is just ridiculously hax.

Vision

Firestorm was taken out by a single lighting throw. Vision blasts him with the gem.

Firestorm can transmute vision into water, he absorbed a nuclear explosion, and can fly at near flash speeds. I honestly think vision and scarlet witch are overrated.

Vision stomps

Firestorm does have some high end feats, but Stargirl KO'd him and separated Jax and Stein with only one blast from her staff (start video at 2:04). I'm not sure who wins this fight. On one hand Firestorm has the potential to transmute Vision, on the other hand Vision has the potential to KO Firestorm with one energy blast from the Infinity Stone.

vision wins

@firestormfate1919: Ok I forgot his nuke absorbing feat. We see so little of Firestorm.

We don't know what morals off FS is capable of. He requires intense concentration to transmute matter, and he has to touch them in order to do so. How will he transmute a foe that fights back? Remember this is the TV version.

@wallywest042: He only really requires intense concentration for large objects like the massive Meta-Bomb in the crossover. He's also shown ranged transmutation, by transmuting bullets after they've been fired.

This is the ability that should allow him to trump Vision here. He's also dealt with advanced forms of matter before in the Nth Metal Meteorite and the Dominators' Meta-Bomb, so Vision should be no problem to transmute.

@firestormfate1919: He did? I remember only the bombs in Season 1 finale and Invasion. He required concentration there.

Hmm, I can see Firestorm winning rather easily now.

Vision.

Still Vision

Firestorm is a glass canon. His power is one of the heaviest hitters across the whole CW, but the fusion between Jax and Stein is so unstable that one sharp blow forces them to separate.

If vision phase out his heart or other organs, firestorm.

They both have good high end feats but Firestorm's low end feats are embarrassing.

Vision with low difficulty.

Firestorm will win eventually even if vision kills Firestorm.

Vision. Firestorm is one of the biggest jobbers in the Arrowverse, and near useless in fights. He just flies around in the background shooting fireballs at people. What a total waste of a great hero. The writers just have no clue what to do with him.

Vision

My second favorite arrow verse character dies horribly. Nothing stopping vision from a simple arm-snap and super strength punch.

Seriously, so much wasted potential. Firestorm could have been possibly the most powerful mortal in Arrow verse discounting speedsters if they had only used the character correctly, now they can't change it due to Victor leaving the show and Jax having left the team. If they had written FS correctly he could have been capable of soloing the MCU avengers. But no, either he doesn't appear at all or just flies around for a couple of seconds shooting a sparkle and the pretty little fireworks go off.

Firestorm can transmute vision into pretty much anything if he tries hard enough. Not to mention one of Firestorm's greatest feats was soloing and defeating Damien Darhk and his daughter, Nora Darhk who had the powers of probably the most powerful demon yet in the arrow-verse while both of them were using their powers to their strongest will against Firestorm, something that Vision would very likely struggle against alone. So I'd give it to Firestorm if he can get his full game on.

Vision wins decisively.

how ?

he never did anything to say he can wins decisively.

@plotweapon16255: He has the damage output and abilities to easily dispatch Firestorm.

If we screew Malcolmpotence then Jax but otherwise Visions stomps

@plotweapon16255:

how is it gonna hurt someone who Tanked nuclear blast whose yield is about 1 Megaton.

He has been pierced by normal arrows and has been one-shotted by multiple characters who Vision would clown on a consistent basis. He was only able to absorb it due to the nature of his powers and he didn't actually tank it. He has been beaten easily by characters who are certainly not nuke level, so it's a clear outlier.

like what ?

@rampagethefirst:

He has been pierced by normal arrows

it's a feat for the arrow especially when firestorm is no-sell to bullets.

has been one-shotted by multiple characters who Vision would clown on a consistent basis.He has been beaten easily by characters who are certainly not nuke level,

like hawkeye? corvus glaive?

so it's a clear outlier.

considering vision's consistency every feat for vision is outlier.

He was only able to absorb it due to the nature of his powers and he didn't actually tank it.

blast wave disagrees & its still a feat for him especially when he is no-sell to it.

Punching him with enough mass to one-shot him,

like he did to who ?

even his weaker version can

• Tanked the wind blast that tossed him across the city while reverse flash fights arrow.
• No sell to blackhole's gravity that's Ripping buildings apart.

phasing his heart out,

like he did to who ?

blasting him with the mind stone

that can hurt someone who tanked a nuke.

and much more.

with speculation i can also say firestorm can make vision into a candy especially when he made a planet busting bomb into a spark.

Vision is so many tiers ahead it's not even funny.

Vision stomps. If Firestorm were written properly he’d dominate in every sense of the word, but alas, too many CW high tiers have the massive case of the jobbing.

Firestorm stomps - Vision has done absolutely nothing of worth

vision curbstomps

@plotweapon16255:

it's a feat for the arrow especially when firestorm is no-sell to bullets.

No, he was clearing dodging the bullets.

like hawkeye? corvus glaive?

Hawkeyes attempts at restraining Vision was futile, what are you on about? and Corvus Glaive caught him off-guard and he still managed to put up a fight WHILE weakened.

considering vision's consistency every feat for vision is outlier.

How?

That sounds awfully familiar to what I said about Firestorm? if you wanna call his feats outlier, that would be very stupid since he barely has any and the ones that he does have are perfectly consistent. Firestorm on the other hand, doesn't.

blast wave disagrees & its still a feat for him especially when he is no-sell to it.

Yet gets one-shotted by Star-girls attacks that were coincidentally energy based as well? oh yeah, that is totally not an outlier? and he didn't even manage to land a single shot on a stationary target rofl.

It's clearly an outlier whether you like it or not since he has been one-shotted by much less unless you wanna make a case for Stargirls casual energy attacks being nuke level?

like he did to who ?

Like he did to Giant-Man casually and pushed him back.

even his weaker version can

How is that a weaker version? Professor Stein admitted multiple times that him and Ronnie had the best connection, if anything, that was his superior version.

Tanked the wind blast that tossed him across the city while reverse flash fights arrow.

He didn't tank it, he got one-shotted by it lol, what are you on about? and Barry clearly had to help him, do you even watch the shit you post? or do you just copy and paste them from other people's arguments? I'd think it's the latter since you've completely misinterpreted 2 scans.

No sell to blackhole's gravity that's Ripping buildings apart.

Yes, season 1 Barry was no-selling that singularity too, and it was clearly didn't have the full potential of a singularity since Caitlyn and Cisco both EXPLICITLY state this in the last episode and the episode before that and it was not a black hole, it was a singularity, if it was a blackhole, they would've both died in a second and the earth would've been swallowed up MUCH quicker so yeah, it's not all that impressive.

like he did to who ?

Ultrons bots.

that can hurt someone who tanked a nuke.

Oh it certainly can't hurt someone who tanked a nuke but it can certainly hurt someone who got one-shotted by Star-girls energy blast. Let's also not forget about the part where he got one-shotted by Metallo.

with speculation i can also say firestorm can make vision into a candy especially when he made a planet busting bomb into a spark.

Except for the fact that I'm not speculating? and if you say that, you wouldn't only be speculating but you'd be 100% wrong lol since Firestorm has never transmuted an Android.