MCU: Valkyrie vs Lizard

well that is really hard to say who would win.Val is better fighter but idk if Lizard is stronger.

Valk probably better skill and should dodge most of what lizard throws at her

I’m going Val

Valkyrie.

Does Valkyrie have any advantage here outside of skill? Lizard stomps.

@xzone: close strength)scaling to Lady Sif) hard and strong skin(bulletproof like Loki). Lizard can't pierce or cut her flesh or skin by his claws.

@krishnyak: Scaling off of Holland’s SM holding the bell tower, idk that their strength really is all that close. What makes you think his claws can’t pierce? They cut SM, IIRC, and I don’t think he was even trying to cause immediate lethal damage there.

@xzone: because Loki's face tanked automatic fire in Avengers 1. In Agents of Shield asgardian's skin breaked military knife. Why Lizard scaling to Holland?I don't remember if they fight or were equal in overpowering each other.

Val should be as strong as Sif or may be better(since she was an elite warrior)

@krishnyak: I view the Spiders as essentially equal. It was a handgun, I think. Lizard should be able to pierce Valkyrie with his claws. Regardless, his better physical stats and regen are issues.

Valkyrie wrecks

@xzone: Garfield Spiey is the weakest i think.Claws don't do nothing serious,since Parkers aren't bulletproof,but Val shoul be(in theory) and also she has an armor.

Lizard stomps.

@jurance: interesting how

@krishnyak: Faster and stronger + regen, yea he stomps.

Any of the Spideys can stomp Val, let alone Lizard who's shown to be stronger then them/

@xzone: regen didn't save anyone from K.O. Wolverine can admit this))

Because as i remember the most smpressive strength feat from Garfield Spidey was cathing police car from falling. Don't actually remember the last fight scene between Lizard and Holland/Tobey to say the Lizard is close to this duo.

It's hard to see Lizard beat someone who survived two times against Hela.

Valkyrie is clearly above Loki physically, who we've seen holding his own against Thor 2 times:

She can also resist a hit from Hela:

And she's able to hold her own against the God Butcher:

She also no-sold a thunderclap and dodged Hulk like nothing.

@jurance: He is not faster and not stronger. He is stronger than Garfield Spider Man,but Val>=Loki in stats.Regen helpless against K.O.

Shouldn't she be able to rip Lizard in half?

@ashconwell: don't remember similar level of strength

Valkyrie survived against Hela because of her blade, Gorr easily stabbed her, so she wasn't immune to piercing attacks, Lizard overpowered all three Spideman. One of them tanked a bullet train to his face, and the Lizards threw him like trash. I don't see Valky knock him out

Eh, probably Valkyrie.

@godam: she is immune to pierce by bullets and earth blades, Thor and Loki also were pierced by agardian or other alien weapon.Where did Lizard overpowered three Spiders?

@krishnyak: also Lizard claws>> regular bullets

@godam: he did not overpowered Holland , and he is stronger than Garfield Spider,which is not as strong as Holland or Tobey by feats.

Yeah lizard claws >regular bullets so he can do some damage but its unknown how much serious will be this damage to Val.

I strongly disagree with Valkyrie being stronger than Loki, but I think she‘d still win this. Lizard kinda seems like the sword of creature asgardians would wrestle for run, tbh. At the very least, I’m sure she’s captured tons of similar aliens for the Arena.

@power_hunter: I do not really view Val or Loki as on par with Thor.

Valkyrie is an elite Asgardian who fought gods, the Lizard is an enhanced human who fought Spidey. Valkyrie stomps.

I don't see why she doesn't decapitate him.

Val wins

Why not? At least physically she blocked blows from Gorr and took hits from Hela. Being able to no-sell a thunderclap is Thor level too. I agree that Thor is way more powerful because of his other abilities and Stormbreaker but Valkyrie has a bunch of high-level showings and no anti-feats.

@power_hunter:

Why not?

I've got Valkyrie/Loki around Sif or the Warriors Three in terms of physicals. The Loki show doesn't really seem to have him as too terribly enhanced when it comes to physical stats, and even in Thor one, there's this showing that arguably puts him below a Frost Giant:

If you have a different take on that instance, feel free to elaborate.

At least physically she blocked blows from Gorr

I looked at the fight and saw maybe one instance where she parried his attack, which could have something to do with the weapon.

and took hits from Hela.

Fair, and Loki took hits from Hulk, but both ended up messed up. Not sure it moves me enough.

Being able to no-sell a thunderclap is Thor level too.

Is it though? And what's that from?

I agree that Thor is way more powerful because of his other abilities and Stormbreaker but Valkyrie has a bunch of high-level showings and no anti-feats.

Fair enough.

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Isn’t Valkyrie on par with Loki when it comes to physicals? She stomps.

With what? Just punches it off? I don't know if she can do that. She should win though.

Lock, Valk stomps

If Valkyrie is unarmed then Lizard should win

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@krishnyak: what strength feats does Valkyrie have that’s better than Spider-Mans? Because Lizard can overpower Spider-Man physically. The best she has is scaling to Loki, who isn’t that impressive physically relying mainly on surviving blows from a significantly holding back pre-prime Thor.

And what striking feats does Valkyrie even have unarmed, let alone that show she can beat down someone more durable than Spider-Man + regen?

@macattack1: it depends of what Spider Man you talking about. Because Garfield looks the weakest of 3 Spider Men

@krishnyak: Lizard also overpowered Holland so…

@macattack1: not Holland but Garfield.

in universe they'd make val win somehow but i don't think that's the case here ..especially without her sword.

@krishnyak: ummm did u watch NWH? Lizard overpowered Holland on multiple occasions, in the apartment fight and during the final battle when he was chasing Ned and MJ. Lizard > Holland Spidey in strength, and I haven’t seen anything from Valkyrie to make me think she is also > Spidey in strength.

@macattack1: in the final battle there was Grfield who fought Lizard.Now i going to rewatch allscenes with Lizrd NWH

UPD: just rewatched.That was not overpowering ,Lizard ust put him down few times from neck(from behind) and later took Holland down from crossbarm,but i woyldn't sy that was overpowering. In Thanos vs Hulk was clear overpowering.

@krishnyak: @macattack1:

Lizard tussled with all three spiders in NWH, Tobey, Garfeild and Holland all kicked him away… He threw Holland back to Goblin in the apartment, and he slammed Holland once.. Holland kicked him to the ground twice, the second time Lizard was rushing forward, Holland kicked him back against his own force and it took Liz a sec to get back up.

Holland Kicks Lizard into wall- Kicks lizard again and it takes lizard a bit to get back up

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Lizard gets stronger everyday he says, and he cut through a vault door, and stabbed through bullet proof vests… he also tanked a giant crane falling on him.

I consider Lizard pretty relative to the NWH Spiders strength wise, with ofc a great healing factor and claws.

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Id say Valk would need a sword to contend, as it stands Lizard should win this i think.

@death4bunnies: Val scaling to Loki,nah?his durability is better nd Val really hurt him by fists and she also should be bulletproofmso claws may not seriously hurt her.

Valk should stomp with raw stats she no sold a thunder clap from the green giant himself

@krishnyak:

Idk if Valk scales to Loki, they did scuffle tho, but even then to get her a strength feat you’d have to scale Loki to someone.

You’d also have to scale her to make her bulletproof however lizard has beat bulletproof materials so even that might not be enough.