MCU Thor vs MCU Thanos and Ronan

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• Thor has Stormbreaker and the Alien Warlords have the 1 power stone each

Surface wiping allowed?

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Ronan solos

@xzone: Everything allowed

2 powers stones?! Either solo...

Theres no way hes soloing

Either stomp with a stone

Of all the gems with feats, the Power Stone isn't too impressive on its own.

Thor low diff.

@rajjar: What? The Power Stone is arguably the most powerful.

Thanos or Ronan solo.

As I have said before, Thanos side steps Stormbreaker if he is smart. He then beats the snot out of Thor like he did before.

Directors confirmed thor only beat thanos because he surprised him

Wont happen here

This.

Either stone wielder solos.

Thor isn't going to get into a brawl with Thanos, because that would be suicide. However, he can no-sell the Power Stone at a distance if Thanos acts like he did on Titan.

He also has the flight advantage, so he can just bombard Ronan with lightning till that second-rate hammer is out of his hands, and its goodbye Kree. Then it is just Thor with Stormbreaker versus Power Stone Thanos, which leans heavily toward Thor. Hell, Thanos had 4 stones on Titan.

Sorry, I meant in the IG. By itself it isn't as impressive as the Space/Reality/Time stones.

I will say, though, frying Thor's skull was very good, when you take the star feat in context.

Pretty sure thanos was showing restraint when using the stones, considering Ronan was about to destroy an entire damn planet with just one.

Thanos or Ronan solos if they use the stone properly.

@rajjar: How can Thor beat Power Stone Thanos when Thanos can straight up halt Stormbreaker in place? Not to mention Thor screams like a little girl when the power stone comes in contact with his skin. He's also a moon buster and can use the power stone to amp his stats. Thor has almost no shot vs Thanos.

Thor.

Thor stomps.

French fries for Thor.

Thor

Thanos solos. Ronan doesn't.

@rajjar:

Thor isn't going to get into a brawl with Thanos, because that would be suicide. However, he can no-sell the Power Stone at a distance if Thanos acts like he did on Titan.

Thor isn't no selling anything, like you mentioned yourself Thanos was frying Thor's Skull with the Power Stone. Thor was almost killed by the Neutron Star, no way that was more powerful than an Infinity Stone.

He also has the flight advantage, so he can just bombard Ronan with lightning till that second-rate hammer is out of his hands, and its goodbye Kree. Then it is just Thor with Stormbreaker versus Power Stone Thanos, which leans heavily toward Thor. Hell, Thanos had 4 stones on Titan.

Flight won't matter because the Power Stone has ranged capabilities. Thor isn't beating Ronan with Lightning, when Ronan tanked a Blast from the Hadron Enforcer which could "blow up moons".

Thanos only has the Power Stone. He couldn't do that even with 6 stones. He can't make Thor scream if Thor can create distance with Stormbreaker like he did when he cleaved Thanos.

Thanos won't be busting anything if he knows what's good for him, otherwise he pulls a Surtur and one-shots everybody, unless Thor flies away or escapes via Bifrost.

@rajjar: "He couldn't do that even with 6 stones."

1. Unquantifiable beam.

2. Already confirmed Thanos was caught off guard and if he knew what was coming he would have countered better.

Y'all really need to stop bringing that up. Its a piss poor argument that is practically irrelevant in a fight.

"He can't make Thor scream if Thor can create distance with Stormbreaker like he did when he cleaved Thanos."

Can't create any distance considering Thanos can halt Stormbreaker and then send Stormbreaker and a power stone blast right back at Thor.

"Thanos won't be busting anything if he knows what's good for him, otherwise he pulls a Surtur and one-shots everybody, unless Thor flies away or escapes via Bifrost."

Thanos can bust anything and be perfectly fine. He has the power stone after all.

I would like to point out that Thanos can dodge as shown against Dr. Strange if he doesn't feel confident he can tank. Since the gauntlet is pretty much standard gear (excluding stones), he could block with that too. Thanos did get hit by a massive stream of lightning before he shot beams at Thor. Thor does have a much better chance of winning this since Thanos only has one stone. But Ronan could unleash blasts of energy that decimate Nova Corps ships. The only reason he didn't do it against the Guardians is because they were in his ship and he could destroy his ship using that much power. Thanos already showed that he can hurt Thor with the power stone despite Thor's extremely high energy resistance. And a sustained beam was disintegrating Iron Man's shield. The team likely takes a majority, but they don't stomp. Thor can beat them with a lot of difficulty.

@rajjar: "Quite like the distance applications of the Power Stone."

Not really. If Stormbreaker ever comes at Thanos he can simply halt it and send it back.

"He didn't have to do anything, he managed to do the snap with an ax in his chest"

Not a combat feat and I fail to see the point or how that's even relevant.

"So he could have done anything with a single gem."

Sure he could have but that's not how the scene was written. In battles characters aren't getting held back by the plot/writing, so pretty much irrelevant point.

"The ax wasn't moving fast."

What is your point exactly?

"The only excuse Thanos has is getting downed by the lightning."

Which is a valid one. It forced Thanos to rush his attacks in fear of getting striked again. Again, this is confirmed.

"Stormbreaker is just immune to the energy of the gems when directed by the gauntlet, being made of the same metal and all."

Being made of the same metal doesn't really mean anything. But sure, it's immune to an unquantifiable blast aka not a feat.

"Stormbreaker allows Thor to fly, which is enough and necessary distance. His own TK on the ax > whatever Thanos can do without the Space Stone, and perhaps the Reality Stone. Thor's lightning was able to disrupt the Aether after all, so maybe not."

Thor can fly all he wants but he's never striking Thanos when Thanos can simply halt Stormbreaker. What about this aren't you getting?

"None of the Power Stone distance attacks in the IG have accomplished anything that scales to hurting Thor."

What makes you think it will be distance? Are you projecting how you would fight if you had Thor's powers in this battle? Because from what we see on film Thor will always go back to the ground and fight close quarters, he does it all the time and this Thanos fight won't be any different.

"But everything has limits, Otherwise Stormbreaker nor Stark would have been able to cut him."

Was he using the power stone? Lol if Thanos ever feels threatened by his busting he can simply amp himself with the power stone. But he shouldn't since when he threw the moon he just stood there while chunks were flying everywhere.

"Nor should lightning have downed him"

Wasn't using the stone.

"Nor should lightning have downed him if Ronan no-sold a blast of hadron particles, even though it wasn't a moon-bust due to the relationship the weapon's has with the size of its targets."

Ronan was using the stone and he did in fact get knocked down by the blast.

@rajjar: "By the Power Stone? What are you talking about? I am a bit confused as to how he halts it."

He halted O'koyes spear with the power stone before it came to his face. It also was much faster than Stormbreaker since distance was smaller and it didn't have a beam slowing it down.

"Proves he has no excuses for failing to show combat feats before he got cleaved."

Not really. We don't exactly know what he was trying to do to Stormbreaker, but we do know what the snap does. The Snap isnt a combat feat at the end of the day so its not relevant to this battle for obvious reasons.

"Um, he had plenty of time to react before he got cleaved."

No? He shoots at Stormbreaker with a beam and the beam doesn't break until Stormbreaker hits him. He had no time to react because he simply wasn't trying to react to Stormbreaker coming at him. It's why he just stands there without moving moving. He's not trying to dodge it.

"Thor specifically goes to Nidavellir to get the "Thanos killing kind" of weapons, and since Thanos has less than stellar piercing durability"

Thanos was only pierced by one sharp object throughout the film and that was Stormbreaker aka a God weapon.

"I'm pretty sure Thor was also accounting for the IG. I'm pretty sure Eitri was accounting for the IG's capabilities by statements to harness the gems when Thor asked him for help."

That's headcanon. Thor doesn't say he wants an Infinity Stone countering weapon, he wants a Thanos killing kind. Thor has already said the Stones are limitless power, its why he needs a Thanos killing weapon. Thanos and the stones are two different things.

Thor specifically goes to Nidavellir to get the "Thanos killing kind" of weapons, and since Thanos has less than stellar piercing durability, I'm pretty sure Thor was also accounting for the IG. I'm pretty sure Eitri was accounting for the IG's capabilities by statements to harness the gems when Thor asked him for help.

"The IG is made of uru, which requires a neutron star's heat to mold. It took a lot of now-dead dwarves to build, too. Maybe SB is too durable, but the fact remains it got hit by each gem, and even a dot of Reality Gem was enough to outperform Ego in the matter manipulation department and one-fist clench was enough to put Loki to shame."

Again, an unquantifiable and his uses for those stones in the moments you mentioned are different. We really have no idea what he was trying to do. It's why I'm thinking they just had him use all 6 because of how cool the scene looks.

"That somehow Thanos can halt SB without the Soul Stone. Especially when Thor has the only TK in this match, and it is optimized to the ax (which also has cloak)."

Thanos has TK.

"No, I'm just looking at how Thor fought when he had a weapon - more ranged attacks."

And Thor against ñon fodder fights close quarters.

"He didn't fight close quarters with Thanos the first time"

Yeah he did. Thor can't fly without his hammer...

"That has never happened in-character. He can't throw the moon without the Space Stone. And none of the chunks hit him, because, erm, plot."

He doesn't need the space stone to bust stuff and is this fight in character.

"He never amped himself with it, atleast actively."

Yeah, that's my point.

"The rod itself seems to have less durability than Ronan though. That is a bit weird."

Well the Rod did get hit by the HE.

either solo.

Thanos solos.

Thanos still solos

Thanos solos and he doesn't even need the power stone. Either of them with the power stone would one-shot Thor, no debate.

Bait

Thor gets spitestomped lol. Thanos 100% solos him, Ronan does as well if he uses the power stone well.