@macleen: He does slightly scale to MOS Clark, but that’s kinda tricky because he did lose, and Clark was trying not to kill Zod
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how does him losing to SM mean he was weaker? He was in a choke-hold, someone with equal strength to him would easily do it. Hell, Kurse, Hela, Thanos are all capable of killing Thor yet they don't have his level of durability.
Why only MOS Clark? What's special about BvS Clark? Not trying to kill someone doesn't mean you can't trade blows with especially when you know they can take it.
@citizensurfer: I’m not looking for a paragraph of you tip toeing around my question. So I’ll make it simpler. Do you think Outriders are on par with DCEU Kryptonians? I just need a Yes or No answer, we need to wrap this debate.
Show me feats of the Kryptonians piercing/slashing resistance feats and I'll answer your question.
30 mm rounds for starters.
I would've agreed with you a few months ago but the nerds over at Quora changed my mind, bullets are intentionally blunt at the tip so as to not rip right through human flesh and go out the other side (if the bullet goes in and out its a lot better for the person who's just been shot).
My late uncle went deer hunting using surplus FMJ ammo and swore he shot a deer four times only to have it run off. It is no wonder. The FMJ bullets just zipped through the deer, probably fatally wounding it, but not before it ran into the next county. If he hit its heart, or shoulder or other wise incapacitated it. It would have dropped but FMJ bullets are designed to penetrate people but also are expected to penetrate brick, wood (about 30 inches of wood, kind of makes hiding behind a 1 inch thick table in the movies kind of silly) anything else you can think of.
Hunting bullets are designed to create that hydraulic shock wave by creating a big wound channel and at the same time delivering all the ballistic energy they can. Hunters do not want the bullet to exit the target if it does, that means it did not dump all its energy into the target animal.
In fact Hollywood gets it wrong most of the time. When a person or animal is hit by a bullet, the bullet keeps going, and the victim drops, they do not dance around or jerk like a puppet on a string. That was started and invented by the 1960's movie Bonnie and Clyde. A living target does not jerk or fly into walls or out windows unless a bone is hit and even then it is likely the bullet just keeps going and the person drops.
In Audie Murphy's book about his time in WWII called "From Hell and Back" he writes of a squad mate in Italy running and being hit by a MG42 8mm round that severs his shin bone. The guy is in full stride and it causes a compound fracture and the guy keeps running on the stump of the bone sticking out of his leg. So in effect the bullet chopped of his lower leg and it did not slow him down. They did not put that particular scene in the movie.
So hunting bullets pointy or not, are designed to expand to 2 or 3 times their starting diameter, an create a huge temporary would channel and in so doing transfer all the ballistic energy to the target causing that hydraulic shock wave that helps to incapacitate and kill the target. - Hisey Patton
MCU Thor is very badly overwanked. Kryptonians stomp, having two hammers is only helpful when you actually get an opportunity to throw them without getting blitzed to shit.
Can anyone of you give me any reason why Zod doesn't scale to SM, I can understand Faora or Nam-Ek due to their un-adapted versions. But Zod? The last time I checked SM doesn't have the more solar radiation soak argument going on for him due to the nuke scene in BvS. Not to mention some of SM's best energy durability feats were when he was weakened, I'm 100% sure Zod >>> weakened SM.
Because Zod got his butt kicked by a newbe Superman. I am okay with scaling Zod from BVS Superman but JL Superman was clearly amped by either the motherbox or the speed force as he showed levels of speed and strength that he had not previously come close to showing.
@citizensurfer: this is the easiest way to narrow it down.
Do you consider them to be on par with each other yes or no?
If yes we can carry on this debate and I’ll answer your question. If not then my point stands and it’s pointless to bring them up.
I'm asking you for feats for their piercing/slashing resistance. If you don't have the feats to back up your claims then you've conceded the argument....
MCU Thor is very badly overwanked. Kryptonians stomp, having two hammers is only helpful when you actually get an opportunity to throw them without getting blitzed to shit.
Can anyone of you give me any reason why Zod doesn't scale to SM, I can understand Faora or Nam-Ek due to their un-adapted versions. But Zod? The last time I checked SM doesn't have the more solar radiation soak argument going on for him due to the nuke scene in BvS. Not to mention some of SM's best energy durability feats were when he was weakened, I'm 100% sure Zod >>> weakened SM.
Because Zod got his butt kicked by a newbe Superman. I am okay with scaling Zod from BVS Superman but JL Superman was clearly amped by either the motherbox or the speed force as he showed levels of speed and strength that he had not previously come close to showing.
You need to re-watch the fight, Zod absolutely dominated the entire fight was basically used to show SM's durability based on the number of hits he was taking. Also I seem to recall Zod saying he was going to make Clark first suffer before he killed him. The newbie SM still had some of his best durability feats in his career as SM. There is also the fast that Zod is a a villain (they are not supposed to win regardless of how OP they can be). Kinda like how Hela had several opportunities to kill Thor to the point she had him immobilized on that balcony but instead chose to monologue.
MCU Thor is very badly overwanked. Kryptonians stomp, having two hammers is only helpful when you actually get an opportunity to throw them without getting blitzed to shit.
@chazzer: lol that's totally irrelevant. I'm using the fact that a superman that was only exposed to about 2 minutes solar radiation already tanked more powerful electricity than Thor is capable of producing. They won't have problems with fodder busting ones.
And are you seriously comparing a dragon to kryptonians. Speed blitz would destroy him, people with normal speed have been doing that to him since even hela did and she's nowhere as fast as any kryptonians. Thor had a hard time fighting hela who has peak human speed but you think he's capable of fighting people that move and fight at supersonic speed?
I would've agreed with you a few months ago but the nerds over at Quora changed my mind, bullets are intentionally blunt at the tip so as to not rip right through human flesh and go out the other side (if the bullet goes in and out its a lot better for the person who's just been shot).
My late uncle went deer hunting using surplus FMJ ammo and swore he shot a deer four times only to have it run off. It is no wonder. The FMJ bullets just zipped through the deer, probably fatally wounding it, but not before it ran into the next county. If he hit its heart, or shoulder or other wise incapacitated it. It would have dropped but FMJ bullets are designed to penetrate people but also are expected to penetrate brick, wood (about 30 inches of wood, kind of makes hiding behind a 1 inch thick table in the movies kind of silly) anything else you can think of.
Hunting bullets are designed to create that hydraulic shock wave by creating a big wound channel and at the same time delivering all the ballistic energy they can. Hunters do not want the bullet to exit the target if it does, that means it did not dump all its energy into the target animal.
In fact Hollywood gets it wrong most of the time. When a person or animal is hit by a bullet, the bullet keeps going, and the victim drops, they do not dance around or jerk like a puppet on a string. That was started and invented by the 1960's movie Bonnie and Clyde. A living target does not jerk or fly into walls or out windows unless a bone is hit and even then it is likely the bullet just keeps going and the person drops.
In Audie Murphy's book about his time in WWII called "From Hell and Back" he writes of a squad mate in Italy running and being hit by a MG42 8mm round that severs his shin bone. The guy is in full stride and it causes a compound fracture and the guy keeps running on the stump of the bone sticking out of his leg. So in effect the bullet chopped of his lower leg and it did not slow him down. They did not put that particular scene in the movie.
So hunting bullets pointy or not, are designed to expand to 2 or 3 times their starting diameter, an create a huge temporary would channel and in so doing transfer all the ballistic energy to the target causing that hydraulic shock wave that helps to incapacitate and kill the target. - Hisey Patton
Thor gets utterly demolished here. Multiple speedblitzes, and it's DUNZO.
Edit: Zod on his own was able to cancel out a fully powered Superman speedblitz with his own striking power (twice), sending him flying through multiple buildings (a distance of 1 mile or two), and that becomes impressive once you take into account the blatant fact Superman whilst in a depowered state managed to overpower a city block level+ energy beam with a single speedblitz, as well as destroying the source from which said beam originated.
As for speed, he's FTS in combat (including the other Kryptonians), the fighting scenes were deliberately slowed down so that the audience could perceive the Kryptonians movements, this was highlighted by Snyder and the VFX team supervisor, and they explicitly gave us an indicator of that sorta speed, mach cones. Play the smallville and metropolis fighting scenes at x0.25 speed and you can see that pressure wave around their fists, that's what you call a mach cone, an indication of FTS combat speed.
Inb4 "muh lightning feats plz" - guess what? He perfectly scales to Superman whose energy durability is good enough to suggest he can tank Thor's lightning. He was ragdolling Superman all over the city, for heaven's sake.
@DammeFavour: That dragon was clearly moving at MFTL+ speeds, he had enough momentum to easily bust Jupiter-sized planets. Thor tanked it, coz he's too stronk.
1) your screen shot shows hulk was strong enough to pull away the chitari whale plate from the whale. duh! as i stated. show me evidence that either hulks punches/ kicks broke through the metal or thor. you cant derp. that is why you fail.
he popped up a plate with 2 fists than the hulk pulled the plate away from the whale.
hulk wanked leviathin punch didnt even break through the metal . hulks two hammer fists didn't break the metal. the leviathin didn't even flatten the taxi cab or pop the tires. lmao
yet we have canonical proof that the low yield nuke detonated in space destroyed all the chitari whales and the mother ship.
at point blank detonation a nuke destroys everything. a weakened superman and doomsday survived it .
so yes
krytpnian durability>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>chitari metal
wanker
the same plasma blast that hit a newbie superman destroyed a krytponian ship on krytpon. we also know per jor el superman will only continue to grow, KEEP TESTING YOUR LIMITS"
BASED ON DOOMSDAY AOE,
CAPITOL HILL EXPLOSION ,
THE DRONE MISSILE
DOD STATING NOTHING EARTHLY PENETRATED ZODS CORPSE ( PLUS HE HAD ZERO TRAUMA)
, EFFORTLESSY TANKING RENTRY AND SLAMMING INTO MARBLE
, PLUS THE CANON NOVEL STATING KRYTPNIANS ARE INVULNERABLE
MEANS LOGICAL THORS LIGHTNING WILL DO NADA DERP.
THORS amped lighting from the building went through chitari metal it didn't vaporize it like doomsday aoe did to the top of 5 skyscrapers and 4 apache helicopeters.
You need to re-watch the fight, Zod absolutely dominated the entire fight was basically used to show SM's durability based on the number of hits he was taking.
Zod did land the majority of hits but Superman was obviously superior in terms of strength and he had better control over his powers.
Also I seem to recall Zod saying he was going to make Clark first suffer before he killed him.
Zod said he was going to make the "humans" suffer. In fact, he told Clark "There is only one way this ends Kal. Either you die or I do!"
The newbie SM still had some of his best durability feats in his career as SM. There is also the fast that Zod is a a villain (they are not supposed to win regardless of how OP they can be). Kinda like how Hela had several opportunities to kill Thor to the point she had him immobilized on that balcony but instead chose to monologue.
The first point seems solid at first but many other Superhero movies have villains who are clearly superior to their heroic counterparts in terms of power. DD from BVS, Kurse from Thor TDW, Thanos from IW, and even Hela from Thor Ragnarok. Each of these characters were so powerful that it took a plot device to kill them. While on the other hand Superman snapped Zod's neck with his bare hands showing that he was, at the very least physically superior.
Sure, Sure. A beast the size of a dinosaur weighs a few hundred pounds and had no momentum, strength, and inertia to hit with "any force of note". LOL.
tell me who took a hit from a piece of metal better?
4 foot steel beam
Gladiator hammer the size of an engine block. Probably around 500 pounds, easily.
also, remember what happened when Namek slammed him on the soft asphalt.
Oops.
Keep swinging and keep losing. You're so good at it, LOL.
the mcu wanker is triggered and now is trying to lowball feats without context.
thor was down for 20 seconds from this.
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zod is stronger than the hulk or thor. him swinging a reinforced steel beam is not a low showing for superman.
more importantly
per the sfx and mos official canon novel, its painful for krytponians to use there heat vision. zod struck superman right when he was shutting it off. in other words he hit him at the right time.
weird?
superman plows into the same steel beams without a care. you fail.
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a newbie superman fought nam ek and fiora. they with miltiary precision tag teamed him and ko superman. superman was out for seconds. thor was literally usless for minutes while thanos fought the hulk and killed loki. stop embarssing yourself.
offical canon novel states a newbie superman bullrushed zod with the force of a freight train when zod threatened his mom.
offical canon novel states many times krytponians are invulnerable
dod stated nothing earthly penetrated zods corps. thor was bruised and cut when he awoke from hulks bed.
ets, etc , etc
thor has never beaten any cinematic character with a name, but wankers like yourself think he can beat 3 superior opponents at once.
lmao
the actor who plays thor even thinks ww could kick his ass.
Hemsworth responded accordingly on Twitter, saying that he thinks Wonder Woman would, in fact, “kick Thor’s a**.”
MCU Thor is very badly overwanked. Kryptonians stomp, having two hammers is only helpful when you actually get an opportunity to throw them without getting blitzed to shit.
If only thor had something on his body that could automatically stun/KO these kryptoninas from up close...
@ourmanuel: What good has it accomplished other than killing street tier fodder that were getting destroyed by m4's? because if thats the only thing going in its favour, it isn't doing as much as scratching the Kryptonians.
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