@skrskr: Tony tanked and was regenerating from IG blasts and Tony’s armor is nowhere as powerful as the combined blasts of Magneto, Cyclops, and Storm
MCU Thor (IW) vs Fox Apocalypse
@georgewbush: blocks? His teleportation isn’t instant he has to walk into a portal which is stupid obvious and he has to exit said portal.
Tony blocks a small beam from the power stone for seconds before it ripped his shield away, stormbreaker tore through the beam of all the gems.
Make your lowball creative at least
Apocalypse wasn't very strong, just hax. There's no way Stormbreaker doesn't one shot him. Current Thor is way above Apoc's paygrade.
@skrskr: Lowball what? Thanos's IG blasts aren't pulverizing metal to the point it disintegrates, lightning, and optic blasts at once. He can also just block it with TK.
How is Stormbreaker getting through his shields when he can just fully grasp it with telekinesis?
To be honest I only say Apocalypse once. But I’m pretty sure this isn’t even close. Thor ragdolls him without effort.
@georgewbush: he isn’t grabbing it because it’s coming with too much force, it tore through the combined energy of ALL the stones.
And Thor can control it, it’s a super mjolnir
If that doesn’t convince you he can drop the bifrost on him and bisect him with it which is MFTL
Apocalypse can’t hurt Thor, he has no energy attack that will do more damage than the focused energy of a neutron Star.
@georgewbush: Tony tanked a power gem, not all 6 of em. and even then Tony was extremely struggling.
There is no case to made for apocalypse, none of his energy attacks output more heat or energy than a neutron Star which was tanked for minutes.
And apocs shields aren’t putting out more energy than FULL IG blast which stormbreaker ripped through.
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Even global earthquake blast ? Apoc. has subatomic level manipulation/transmutation ( like creating steel wings out of nothing or creating TP resistant metalic special helmet out of sand ( silicon dioxide ). So it can desintegrate thor.
@dianaallmighty: he never used an earthquake in combat, and he didn’t make metal wings, he forced an evolution in angel like he did with the other mutants.
He didn’t do any molecular attack’s on any mutants so nothing you are saying holds any weight.
Besides the fact that Thor’s lightning can shut down his powers like storms did since electro magnetic interference can stop powers as shown in the film.
He is not going to disintegrate Thor, not even a neutron Star did that.
Stop the wank, he did nothing in combat that could even tickle Thor currently.
@dianaallmighty: he never used an earthquake in combat, and he didn’t make metal wings, he forced an evolution in angel like he did with the other mutants.
He didn’t do any molecular attack’s on any mutants so nothing you are saying holds any weight.
Besides the fact that Thor’s lightning can shut down his powers like storms did since electro magnetic interference can stop powers as shown in the film.
He is not going to disintegrate Thor, not even a neutron Star did that.
Stop the wank, he did nothing in combat that could even tickle Thor currently.
Ok maybe i'm exaggarating but do u think this neutron Star was giving full blast at him during this short time. Groot and Rocket also was in the same room so i think this wasn't ultra gigantic explosion/blast
@dianaallmighty: it was a forge made to focus the stars power into a beam to smelt the forge, it’s not ridiculous to think that if they can build a machine around a star that can literally bring the Star back to life that they could have the tech to focus its energy.
Fictional star forge for making axes and hammers, there shouldn’t be that much logic involved tbh
@dianaallmighty: it was a forge made to focus the stars power into a beam to smelt the forge, it’s not ridiculous to think that if they can build a machine around a star that can literally bring the Star back to life that they could have the tech to focus its energy.
Fictional star forge for making axes and hammers, there shouldn’t be that much logic involved tbh
Ok, maybe i believe you but Apoc. has feat when he created tp resistance helmet from silicone dioxide. And making evolve he had to have some protonic/neutronic/electronic level manipulation because how sudenly archangel got metalic wing ( from what did metal came from ) from hemoglobine from his blood ? C'mon . Eh Sabah Nur had to have split atoms into particles to form Iron atoms or atoms from other element forming bonds, crystalic structure, methabolism pathway of those wings etc.
@dianaallmighty: he did create the helmet but he also turned people into walls and put them into the ground like they were apart of it, but I’m like 100% sure he just evolved angel like he did with the others. I don’t think him just making angels wings metal through matter manipulation would allow him to fly and shoot them out, it was just a evolution which is one of apocs many powers
He has matter manipulation to an extent but he never used it on anyone noteworthy but cyclops and it was no where near as quick as the humans so it not really usable to say he can just mater manip thor who is >>>> more durable than cyclops who he had trouble putting in the wall compared to the humans he did it to which was instant.
Plenty of mutants have powers that don’t make sense biologically
Thor in an easy fight.
Thor was fairly impressive...
Although his attach with Stormbreaker could have easily been suspended in mid air via TK(a power I'm sure Thanos has/had with, or even without the Gauntlet). IMO
I think this can still be debatable if Apoc can use his powers efficiently. Otherwise, Thor was very vengeful and determined to kill Thanos and could likely find a way to defeat Apoc in the same situation.
need to see Thor's tk telepath resistance feat again with Wanda, he agree in Thor lands a blow he wins but remember Apocalypse could re-act to Quicksilver and also fought the Phoenix force on the astral plane. Apocalypse has a planet wrecking feat with Magento while Thor can tank way more damage and now has bifrost access across dimensions and space, what if Thor just teleported Apocalypse into the Sun? TP is the only issue, and who should end it fast enough. Thor is durable to take way more damage and is far stronger with blast output.
@dianaallmighty: he did create the helmet but he also turned people into walls and put them into the ground like they were apart of it, but I’m like 100% sure he just evolved angel like he did with the others. I don’t think him just making angels wings metal through matter manipulation would allow him to fly and shoot them out, it was just a evolution which is one of apocs many powers
He has matter manipulation to an extent but he never used it on anyone noteworthy but cyclops and it was no where near as quick as the humans so it not really usable to say he can just mater manip thor who is >>>> more durable than cyclops who he had trouble putting in the wall compared to the humans he did it to which was instant.
Plenty of mutants have powers that don’t make sense biologically
I know that many mutants have power which honestly are more absurdal, impossible even more hax looking thad Dr Strange's magic but about angel flight. Do u know why birds fly ? Pneumatic Bones ! Just many empty spaces inside bones sso i think this is the explanation. But remember also that energy dur., piercing dur., desint. dur and punching/hittinh physical durability are another stories. Like in comic thor can resist star core enviroment but can be pierced by adamantium etc. Jean could defeat him because she has quantum lvl manipulation ( Proof: above ). Fox Magneto could also if we assumpt SB can be manipulated like mjolnir in some comics. Emma, Prof. x You know that Thor doesn't have tp res. feats
@miekskywalker: He is the fastest character by farr. In base form he reacted to Quicksilver after getting punched around for 10 seconds. Putting him at MHS++ (Quicksilver was calced to be 1/3rd the speed of light).
His TK is casual city vaporiser.
And as a kid he was casually manipulating millions of tons. His shields withstood lightning, lasers, and the full power of a dude who could manipulate metal across the entire planet.
He has pretty impressive regen healing a lot of skin and flesh in seconds.
His offensive TP allowed him to overwhelm Charles with Cerebro, and once without Cerebro.
Yeah no, the only one who doesn't get stomped would be Dormammu, but he doesn't have enough feats.
Finally somebody talks with sense. His black hole shields made actually a joke for planet lvl magneto power not mentioning he simulatiously were curbstomping Prof. X in stral plane/tp plane. Apocalypse had faster telekinesis feat than Pietro's max speed. If not Jean Grey Nur could casually curbstomp all x-men ending with prof. x being completely embodied by Eh Sabah Nur. Apoc. definitely could hurt thor ! But assumpt if he couldn't so what. Apoc. isn't stupid as many people think. He would hardly tied him up. BFR him to his pyramide and transfer his conciousness to his body getting additional mega durability feat, electrokinesis ( not at Storms level but close ) and SB would be his weapon. Fox always had and always will have far stronger powerhouses than MCu ( maybe excluding Dormammu, but wait for next movie in November and Dark Phoenix will stomp dormammu and 6 gems Thanos ).
@georgewbush: blocks? His teleportation isn’t instant he has to walk into a portal which is stupid obvious and he has to exit said portal.
Tony blocks a small beam from the power stone for seconds before it ripped his shield away, stormbreaker tore through the beam of all the gems.
Make your lowball creative at least
Stormbreaker is made of matter of dying neutron star. Apocalypses shields are actually a black holes. They were absorbing anything without any sign of some leaves like super dust etc. Blackhole wiping power is >> neutron star power. SB only resisted blast from only Mind Gem beam. Mind gem beam was weak if i must compare it to DCEU Doomsday, Superman and Fox Cyclops honestly saying. Nice attempt of lowballing Apocalypse, but you must give more creative/scientific proofs of thor's power surpass.
When did Apocalypse ever display telepathy?? The whole premise of the movie was that he was trying to get the power of telepathy via body takeover of Charles.
And to those claiming Apocalypse has great reaction time, he got his throat slashed by Mystique...
Even if we entertain the idea that Apocalypse's force field could block Stormbreaker, it cannot block continuous strikes by Thor. Thor nearly KOed Hulk in Ragnarok without Stormbreaker and this was when his innate powers were just manifesting. In the end of the film, he was simultaneously able to call down lightning bolts and hit enemies with his fist, which were electrified.
I haven't seen Infinity Wars so I can't comment on Thor's more recent feats.
When did Apocalypse ever display telepathy?? The whole premise of the movie was that he was trying to get the power of telepathy via body takeover of Charles.
He has telepathy, it jist has horrible range. He wanted Charles's telepathy cause if the range and field of effect.
How do you think he stomped Charles twice in telepathy if he didn't have telepathy?
And to those claiming Apocalypse has great reaction time, he got his throat slashed by Mystique...
He most likely allowed her to do that on purpose, or it's WIS and outlier. He reacted to QS twice.
Even if we entertain the idea that Apocalypse's force field could block Stormbreaker, it cannot block continuous strikes by Thor.
You're making no sense. If it can block Stormbreaker once than it can do so for multiple strikes. It simply means Thor does not have enough power to break the shield.
Thor nearly KOed Hulk in Ragnarok without Stormbreaker and this was when his innate powers were just manifesting. In the end of the film, he was simultaneously able to call down lightning bolts and hit enemies with his fist, which were electrified.
His shields no sold the full power of a guy manipulating millions of tons of metal, lasers and lightning and he wasn't even paying any attention to them.
He has telepathy, it jist has horrible range. He wanted Charles's telepathy cause if the range and field of effect.
How do you think he stomped Charles twice in telepathy if he didn't have telepathy? Easy. Plot device.
In the entirety of the film, Apocalypse never used telepathy. Every instance was when Charles initiated contact with him. Beating Charles in the astral plane doesn't necessarily mean he's a telepath. He has shown no basic telepathy feats, like mind reading, illusion casting, etc.
He most likely allowed her to do that on purpose, or it's WIS and outlier. He reacted to QS twice.
Except when he was being punched repeatedly by Quicksilver....
You're making no sense. If it can block Stormbreaker once than it can do so for multiple strikes. It simply means Thor does not have enough power to break the shield.
How does it not make sense? A kevlar vest can block a bullet doesn't mean it can block numerous bullets. Thor is not limited to striking once with Stormbreaker. Repeated strikes from a guy who can stagger the hulk with his fists can definitely break through his shields.
His shields no sold the full power of a guy manipulating millions of tons of metal, lasers and lightning and he wasn't even paying any attention to them.
Once again we're talking about Thor, who was capable of nearly KOing Hulk with just his fists in the Ragnarok Film.
The same Hulk who was capable of withstanding this:
As for the underlined portion. No selling lightning and Cylcops optic beams is not that impressive considering they showed very little destructive power. While I will admit him blocking Magneto is fairly impressive, Magneto's capacity to lift million of tons has no relation to his striking power. We have no idea how much force was behind those metal pieces.
EDIT: The videos never appeared in the original link. Here is what I'm referring to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcLmyi46VYA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdWJ-Njeaig&t=167s
lol are there really people who think Apocalypse is stronger than a full IG?
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Easy. Plot device.
I'm inclined to say otherwise. I don't believe such explicit plot devices can happen multiple times.
Every instance was when Charles initiated contact with him. Beating Charles in the astral plane doesn't necessarily mean he's a telepath.
Wrong, the first one was initiated by Apoc. He noticed Charles as he gazed at Magneto and then launched an attack on Charles and took control of his mind.
Except when he was being punched repeatedly by Quicksilver....
Something I pointed out before you:
In base form he reacted to Quicksilver after getting punched around for 10 seconds. Putting him at MHS++ (Quicksilver was calced to be 1/3rd the speed of light).
It's evident you don't actually have an argument.
How does it not make sense? A kevlar vest can block a bullet doesn't mean it can block numerous bullets. Thor is not limited to striking once with Stormbreaker. Repeated strikes from a guy who can stagger the hulk with his fists can definitely break through his shields.
Analogical fallacy. It makes no sense because you're comparing Kevlar to telekinetic shields, which are different in nature and properties. Unlike kevlar, TK shields don't retain damage, hence you have to break them in one strike. So since Nur's TK shields will no sell Stormbreaker, Thor is doomed.
Once again we're talking about Thor, who was capable of nearly KOing Hulk with just his fists in the Ragnarok Film.
Which is cute since Hulk has been KOed by equally cute things: Hulkbuster and freefall.
Magneto's capacity to lift million of tons has no relation to his striking power. We have no idea how much force was behind those metal pieces.
Wrong. Magneto applied x amout kf force to perform that feat. Hence he used x amount of force against Apoc. Probably more because he was really straining himself.
Magnetic fields don't have lifting and striking classifications.
Thor wins if he does what he did to Thanos.
I was flip-flopping as to whether or not he could break Apoc’s shields, but I figure the full IG is > Jean’s Phoenix.
Wrong ! PF is > IG. PF in this TNR404 reality PF is the same one as in 616 reality ( ~exists in all planes of multiverse simulatiously ~ ) and entire marvel multiverse cannot exist without PF. Like TOAA said PF is executioner of marvel multiverse and LT a judge.
Anyway Apocalypse will definitely block/absorb the Stormbreaker. Why ? Apoc. shields are black holes and BH power is > Neutron star durability/destructive power.
lol are there really people who think Apocalypse is stronger than a full IG?
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This blocking beam argument is the weakest argument i have ever heard. That beam was only from mind gem ( yellow only ). If thanos used all of them at once he would either bfr stormbreaker or either close it in infite time loop or turn into the wood etc. Mind gem beam is extremely weak compared to Cyclops beam. Stormbreaker is from Neutron Star matter and Apoc. shields are black holes. BH > Neutron Star. SB gets desintegrated and absorbed.
I'm inclined to say otherwise. I don't believe such explicit plot devices can happen multiple times.
It's not multiple times. It's merely two times. And will address this in my next response.
Wrong, the first one was initiated by Apoc. He noticed Charles as he gazed at Magneto and then launched an attack on Charles and took control of his mind.
Except the fact that Apocalypse states: "thank you for letting me in." If Apocalypse was really a telepath, even a very mediocre one as you claim, he would have at least knew Mystique was posing as Psylocke or of the plan laid out by the ancient Egyptians. And is for that reason it is a plot device. It makes no sense whatsoever.
In base form he reacted to Quicksilver after getting punched around for 10 seconds. Putting him at MHS++ (Quicksilver was calced to be 1/3rd the speed of light).
Once again...this was after he was being punched around for 10 seconds. And this is from the same guy who was cut in the throat by Mystique right his face. I could equally say the feat you're mentioning is an outlier since there is nothing else to corroborate.
Analogical fallacy. It makes no sense because you're comparing Kevlar to telekinetic shields, which are different in nature and properties. Unlike kevlar, TK shields don't retain damage, hence you have to break them in one strike. So since Nur's TK shields will no sell Stormbreaker, Thor is doomed.
This is simply not true. While the damage is not reflected in the physical property of the tk shield, no doubt mental strain will set in with the user. This is evident in all comics featuring tk shields. As for my comparison, I was never claiming tk shields shared the same properties as kevlar. I was merely pointing out to an example of something that can be overpowered given enough strain. It need not be taken literally.
Which is cute since Hulk has been KOed by equally cute things: Hulkbuster and freefall.
Don't lowball. Considering that the Hulkbuster was designed to fight Hulk one would assume it would actually accomplish that task. And a free fall from at least 30,000 to 40,000 feet (low estimate if we assume the Hellicarrier is flying at the same altitude as commercial jets).
Wrong. Magneto applied x amout kf force to perform that feat.
Never said that there was no force behind it, but rather we cannot reasonably estimate how much. 'X' amount is still an undefined variable in this instance.
Hence he used x amount of force against Apoc. Probably more because he was really straining himself.
Yes, 'x' the unknown amount of force. Exactly what I was saying...
Magnetic fields don't have lifting and striking classifications.
You are right, but Magneto sure does when it comes to magnetically lifting and propelling metal. Please don't try to red herring.
@dianaallmighty: Kay
It's not multiple times. It's merely two times. And will address this in my next response.
Twice is good enough.
Except the fact that Apocalypse states: "thank you for letting me in." If Apocalypse was really a telepath, even a very mediocre one as you claim, he would have at least knew Mystique was posing as Psylocke or of the plan laid out by the ancient Egyptians. And is for that reason it is a plot device. It makes no sense whatsoever.
Wrong. Nur has greater TK potency but bad AOE and range.
He said "thanks for letting me in" in a sarcastic manner. Which explains why he doesn't use it:
Once again...this was after he was being punched around for 10 seconds.
Are you special? You do realise realise reacting QS after 10 seconds is still absolutely insane?:
In base form he reacted to Quicksilver after getting punched around for 10 seconds. Putting him at MHS++ (Quicksilver was calced to be 1/3rd the speed of light).
And this is from the same guy who was cut in the throat by Mystique right his face.
Many explanations. He let her do it so as to prove that there was nothing they can do to him. Outljers, WIS etc.
I could equally say the feat you're mentioning is an outlier since there is nothing else to corroborate
Except I have two feats. You have one.
While the damage is not reflected in the physical property of the tk shield, no doubt mental strain will set in with the user.
Not quite. What I know is that you have to break a TK shield with one hit in order to destroy it. TK shields never ever retain damage over multiple hits. They take damage and then restore.
Considering that the Hulkbuster was designed to fight Hulk one would assume it would actually accomplish that task. And a free fall from at least 30,000 to 40,000 feet (low estimate if we assume the Hellicarrier is flying at the same altitude as commercial jets).
They're all cute.
Yes, 'x' the unknown amount of force. Exactly what I was saying...
Millions of tons after lowballing.
You are right, but Magneto sure does when it comes to magnetically lifting and propelling metal. Please don't try to red herring.
Jesus. Lemme spell it out for you:
FACT: Magnetic force does not have lifting and striking differences.
FACT: Magneto uses the magnetic force to lift and strike.
INFERENCE: Magneto doesn't have any lifting and striking differrnces.
Tfw Apocalypse has:
1. Shields that defended against Storm's lightning, Cyclops' eye beams, and Magneto's metal storm at the same time.
2. Teleportation
3. City busting transmutation
4. City busting telekinesis
5. Wolverine level healing factor (not even a blast from the Phoenix could melt him immediately but lightning that hasn't burned a hole in anything would? Smh)
Thor has:
1. Axe/hammer
2. Lightning
3. Wishy washy healing factor
And people still say that Thor would stomp. At this point, you could put IW Thor up against the Beyonder and people would still say Thor smh
Thor
Tfw Apocalypse has:
1. Shields that defended against Storm's lightning, Cyclops' eye beams, and Magneto's metal storm at the same time.
2. Teleportation
3. City busting transmutation
4. City busting telekinesis
5. Wolverine level healing factor (not even a blast from the Phoenix could melt him immediately but lightning that hasn't burned a hole in anything would? Smh)
Thor has:
1. Axe/hammer
2. Lightning
3. Wishy washy healing factor
And people still say that Thor would stomp. At this point, you could put IW Thor up against the Beyonder and people would still say Thor smh
+ Perception that catches Fox Quicksilver
And people are still saying Thor
Wrong. Nur has greater TK potency but bad AOE and range.
He said "thanks for letting me in" in a sarcastic manner. Which explains why he doesn't use it.
See the funny thing is you're trying to grasp at straws. Apocalypse has stronger telepathy, but it has no range or capacity to do anything? Sounds like not good telepathy, or maybe - guess what - he's not a telepath.
I can point to a myriad of other examples in the film that seem to contradict this point. But at this point it fall on deaf ears.
So Apocalypse is a telepath with no range and can't read minds.
Are you special? You do realise realise reacting QS after 10 seconds is still absolutely insane?:
Nice ad hominem attack. The sad thing is that you're taking this one outlier as representative of Apocalypse's reaction time, when during the entire course of the movie he's fighting people who are not even street level reaction time wise.
Getting cut in the throat by Mystique.
Having a sword at his throat by Psylocke.
The list continues with examples that completely contradict these outliers that comprise your entire argument.
Many explanations. He let her do it so as to prove that there was nothing they can do to him. Outljers, WIS etc.
Or you know maybe...just maybe...plot devices.
Except I have two feats. You have one.
No you don't. You're basing his reaction time on one outlying speed feat that contradicts his other showings. And as for the telepathy. Well, let's just keep that where it is.
Not quite. What I know is that you have to break a TK shield with one hit in order to destroy it. TK shields never ever retain damage over multiple hits. They take damage and then restore.
Sustained effort can break a TK shield. For example:
Jesus. Lemme spell it out for you:
FACT: Magnetic force does not have lifting and striking differences.
FACT: Magneto uses the magnetic force to lift and strike.
INFERENCE: Magneto doesn't have any lifting and striking differrnces.
I'm not going to argue this point anymore. It's pretty evident that Magneto can control the speeds in which he moves metal and that it does not necessarily correlate with how much he can actually lift. The semantics of which doesn't change this fact.
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