@rajjarsalt:
I take it you do not have a very high opinion of Cap in that scene, compared to other users,
I have a pretty high opinion of worthy Cap, him being the only one except Thor, Hulk, Carol (and wanda) to being able to last one minute against serious Thanos. Which makes sense as he's as strong as Thor, more skilled and got the shield for combos.
and the Russos
Russos are Cap fanboyss, not that it matters here since they are just stating their opinions and/or interpretation of that scene, and opinions do not supercede on-screen explicit canon (even if it is director's opinion). Russos, Marcus, McFeely aren't the only guys who decide what's happening on screen, there are a lot more variables involved.
It also depends from what point of view are they speaking. Perhaps they are speaking from Cap's perspective. But Thanos was nowhere near one shot away from being put down. From his pov, it was just another annoying battle which lasted a minute (a single minute).
Though I'd say that Thanos was genuinely shocked by that sky-lightning bolt - like his arm, leg, and body movements look like he's dealing with electrocution, which makes sense considering what's hitting him
Yeah, as long as lightning continued to hit him. As soon as it stopped, he was like nothing happened. Lightning can slow him down, but can't do anything else.
The first lightning knocked him down, but he'd have been up instantly if Cap tried to follow up with anything except lightning (which is extremely fast, lightning strikes from sky to earth in microseconds)
And that's hardly the best that the power of Thor can do
The best of Thor has always been lightning.
In that case, does that reflect back on the ethos of the Russos? Because honestly, if that's something that must go, then I'm all for it.
I think they are entitled to their interpretation and we are entitled to our own. Anyways, what was the exact comment (or could you link a video if it's an interview?)
If you have seen interviews from them and Marcus/McFeely, you will notice how most of the time they use words like "we think/ i think" or "maybe" and "couldbe". Sometimes they do make clear and definitive statements which can be used as words of creators (but sometimes the directors and writers words contradict with each other). In any case, I put explicit on screen feats above word of creators who don't have total 100% control over the screen.
Their opinion is worth more than a random person but still an opinion.
I agree that Thanos doesn't look put down at all, but that's the key in almost, isn't?
No. Almost defeated implies he was close to defeat. Perhaps if Cap was wielding Stormbreaker when he took that swing Thanos dodged, I could maybe consider that Cap had a shot of taking Thanos out.
You know what I would consider "almost beat?" A few examples:
- TItan team almost got the gauntlet off Thanos
- Tony almost died in Iron Man first act, in Iron Man 2 in race-track scene, in The Avengers during wormhole scene, in Iron Man 3 numerous times, in IW on earth against Cull, on titan, and in Endgame a bunch of times
- Carol almost got the gauntlet off Thanos
- Abomination almost beat the Hulk
etc.
I would not consider Batrock landing a few hits on Cap where each landed hit allowed him to land another hit because Cap got staggered as Cap got 0 damage.
However, when I rewatched that scene at 0.25x speed, I saw Thanos dodge it. I see Stormbreaker cleanly passing through air, uninterrupted in motion, and Thanos ducking his head at the same time. Independently, a blade that creates sparks on thick armor should do more to that thin helmet.
Watching it again at slow-speed, it seems very difficult to make out whether it was hit or dodge or a glancing blow. I think it could've been a glancing blow.
So I watched it frame-by-frame. It is definitely not a clean hit. However, it's still not clear whether it hit as a glancing blow or not, which is possible.
In either case, I don't think that damaging the helmet amounts to anything relevant.
Thor's lightning charged Mjolnir strikes are capable of things beyond even the sum of lightning strikes and Mjolnir strikes.
Some feats of each individually:
Raw Mjolnir strikes:
- in ten hits, broke the rainbow bridge, the very first hit shook the entire bridge including observatory (according to script). Pretty much Thor giving his 100% in non-lighting amped strikes
- Hit pre-ragnarok Hulk in the cleanest strike possible - hulk literally ran into Mjolnir swing jaw first (Thor likely not giving his all), Hulk was highly dazed for about 5 seconds
- Thor hits the glass of cage created to cintain the hulk, and shakes the helicarrier (according to script), but only cracks the glass. Thor was probably giving his all but the swing wasn't very clean. Moments later Thor files through the cage, although it is unclear whether he flew through the cracked glass or intact glass
- Vision hit Ultron quite far away in AoU
- Thor hits a clean swing on Surtur which looked quite high effort.
Lightning amped Mjolnir strikes
- Kills a leviathan by hitting it where Hulk stabbed it with a piece of its own armor. Pre Ragnarok Hulk did a better feat
- The strike against Malekith, broke a lot of rubble
- Sokovia strike, although it was mostly lightning and was charged for like 15 seconds.
- Against Surtur's goons, although it was just lightning channelled through Mjolnir
- Against Surtur. Surtur took 7 hits from Mjolnir, including 2 lightning amped Mjolnir to the head, one non-lightning mjolnir to head and 3 Mjolnir throws. Eventually, a huge swing from lightning Mjolnir took him down.
Lightning:
- A charged lightning, channelled through a huge skyscraper blew up 3 leviathans
- Jotunheim bolt
- Hela "biggest lightning bolt in history of lightning"
- Hela "break bifrost" lightning
Except the sokovia strike, I put Ragnarok Hulk's surtur jump strike above all of them.
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